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DG...Not too shabby so far

Neckbone1333 : 3/14/2018 11:44 am
GIANT need: LT
Signed Solder
Resigned Greco
(Still need Guard help via FA or draft)

Big Need: LB
Trade for Ogletree
Signed Martin

Pretty Big Need: RB
Signed Stewart
(Hopefully we draft Barkley)

Need: CB
(Replace DRC or sign him back for cheaper)

Need: WR
(Sign a cheap vet or draft if Marshall is gone)
Add DL as a need  
adamg : 3/14/2018 11:46 am : link
Could use some depth behind Tomlinson at the DE spot....
The pendulum  
Jon in NYC : 3/14/2018 11:47 am : link
regarding DG's ability has swung more wildly in either direction than anyone I can remember.
RE: Add DL as a need  
Neckbone1333 : 3/14/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 13864627 adamg said:
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Could use some depth behind Tomlinson at the DE spot....


Great point
Funny how he was getting killed yesterday  
eli4life : 3/14/2018 11:48 am : link
When norwell actually chose another team for the same money. I for one am excited so far but do realize with this roster it will take some time
Agreed...  
Capt. Don : 3/14/2018 11:49 am : link
it will also be interesting to see his level of concern for the 3rd WR spot.
DG just got us two top starters in positions of need  
PatersonPlank : 3/14/2018 11:51 am : link
Good job so far
nobody  
UESBLUE : 3/14/2018 11:51 am : link
expects a miracle turn around this season but what we do expect is to be excited again about our team. DG is clearly moving in that direction.
RE: Agreed...  
Neckbone1333 : 3/14/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13864641 Capt. Don said:
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it will also be interesting to see his level of concern for the 3rd WR spot.


Any chance we go D.J Chark with 3rd pick? Kid ran a 4.34 40 and may drop to round 3 because LSU's passing game blew. Would really stretch the field for OBJ and Shepard
RE: RE: Agreed...  
adamg : 3/14/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13864667 Neckbone1333 said:
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In comment 13864641 Capt. Don said:


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it will also be interesting to see his level of concern for the 3rd WR spot.



Any chance we go D.J Chark with 3rd pick? Kid ran a 4.34 40 and may drop to round 3 because LSU's passing game blew. Would really stretch the field for OBJ and Shepard


My favorite receiver is Anthony Miller. But if any of those 2-3 round receivers drop to our third, I'd be all on board for that.
wait,  
Gregorio : 3/14/2018 11:58 am : link
there was a thread by NYBEN1963 yesterday that DG was the same old thing as Reese.

Got to have some patience.

Let's really evaluate DG after a year or so, once you can begin to see how the moves turn out.
fuck this... we are the Knicks now  
GMAN4LIFE : 3/14/2018 11:58 am : link
-Eric from BBI
RE: fuck this... we are the Knicks now  
adamg : 3/14/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13864682 GMAN4LIFE said:
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-Eric from BBI


I saw that too. And that was in response to the Solder signing...
Let's get EJ Gaines now  
adamg : 3/14/2018 12:00 pm : link
LEt's go DG
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2018 12:02 pm : link
Be very careful of falling into the trap that just because the Giants signed somebody, it means they "fixed" a problem.

A couple of years ago, many celebrated the signing of Olivier Vernon and the re-signing of JPP to HUGE contracts. In hindsight, these were NOT good moves by the Giants.

Now New York just made Solder the highest paid lineman in the NFL for a guy who is generally considered in the 10-15 range (among 32 teams) of left tackles in the NFL.

The argument "the Giants had no choice" is not valid in my opinion. If we are sitting here in March 2019 or 2020 bitching about Solder's contract (like we are about now about JPP and Vernon), then this wasn't a smart move. Only time will tell.

The Giants are clearly all in on Eli Manning.
Someone check on Eric of BBI.  
Beezer : 3/14/2018 12:02 pm : link
Make sure he's OK.
So, is Solder a less than good signing?  
Beezer : 3/14/2018 12:04 pm : link
If so, I don't see why.

Very solid LT at what seems to be a fair market price tag. Not an all-pro, but a professional who is very solid, and who brings a winning resume.
I think Vernon is way undervalued here  
adamg : 3/14/2018 12:05 pm : link
He's a borderline elite pass rusher who can play the run. He's worth that contract.
If Solder convinces us to take Barkley  
Essex : 3/14/2018 12:07 pm : link
it is a terrible signing, if Solder is just there because it is an upgrade and can be a building piece of high quality left tackle for five years, its an upgrade. Every time you get one player does not mean you did a good job. I am not going to say "Not too shabby so far" for about two years. I may have comments, but I am not coming up with conclusions other than I know picking Barkley would be a horrendous error.
RE: ...  
GMAN4LIFE : 3/14/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13864704 Eric from BBI said:
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Be very careful of falling into the trap that just because the Giants signed somebody, it means they "fixed" a problem.

A couple of years ago, many celebrated the signing of Olivier Vernon and the re-signing of JPP to HUGE contracts. In hindsight, these were NOT good moves by the Giants.

Now New York just made Solder the highest paid lineman in the NFL for a guy who is generally considered in the 10-15 range (among 32 teams) of left tackles in the NFL.

The argument "the Giants had no choice" is not valid in my opinion. If we are sitting here in March 2019 or 2020 bitching about Solder's contract (like we are about now about JPP and Vernon), then this wasn't a smart move. Only time will tell.

The Giants are clearly all in on Eli Manning.


careful? lol its a football team that i love. But i wont lose sleep if it doesnt pan out.
RE: If Solder convinces us to take Barkley  
adamg : 3/14/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13864723 Essex said:
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it is a terrible signing, if Solder is just there because it is an upgrade and can be a building piece of high quality left tackle for five years, its an upgrade. Every time you get one player does not mean you did a good job. I am not going to say "Not too shabby so far" for about two years. I may have comments, but I am not coming up with conclusions other than I know picking Barkley would be a horrendous error.


What if we draft Barkley, go 9-7 and miss the playoffs this year. Go 11-5 in 2019 and lose in the division round of the playoffs. Eli retires. We trade up and draft Jake Fromm in the 2020 draft. Would that be a tremendous error?

I think QB makes a lot of sense right now, but how can any single move be a "horrendous error", especially when it's not impossible to move up in the future if the present choices at QB don't inspire our FO?
RE: RE: If Solder convinces us to take Barkley  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13864734 adamg said:
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In comment 13864723 Essex said:


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it is a terrible signing, if Solder is just there because it is an upgrade and can be a building piece of high quality left tackle for five years, its an upgrade. Every time you get one player does not mean you did a good job. I am not going to say "Not too shabby so far" for about two years. I may have comments, but I am not coming up with conclusions other than I know picking Barkley would be a horrendous error.



What if we draft Barkley, go 9-7 and miss the playoffs this year. Go 11-5 in 2019 and lose in the division round of the playoffs. Eli retires. We trade up and draft Jake Fromm in the 2020 draft. Would that be a tremendous error?

I think QB makes a lot of sense right now, but how can any single move be a "horrendous error", especially when it's not impossible to move up in the future if the present choices at QB don't inspire our FO?

If the Giants go 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5 and want to trade up for a franchise QB the price would be astronomical. They would have to give up at least three 1st round picks, plus a few 2nd's
RE: ...  
sundayatone : 3/14/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13864704 Eric from BBI said:
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Be very careful of falling into the trap that just because the Giants signed somebody, it means they "fixed" a problem.

A couple of years ago, many celebrated the signing of Olivier Vernon and the re-signing of JPP to HUGE contracts. In hindsight, these were NOT good moves by the Giants.

Now New York just made Solder the highest paid lineman in the NFL for a guy who is generally considered in the 10-15 range (among 32 teams) of left tackles in the NFL.

The argument "the Giants had no choice" is not valid in my opinion. If we are sitting here in March 2019 or 2020 bitching about Solder's contract (like we are about now about JPP and Vernon), then this wasn't a smart move. Only time will tell.

The Giants are clearly all in on Eli Manning.


you can make the case that eli has become a coach killer kind of player,this could be the year for it.
RE: ...  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13864704 Eric from BBI said:
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Be very careful of falling into the trap that just because the Giants signed somebody, it means they "fixed" a problem.

A couple of years ago, many celebrated the signing of Olivier Vernon and the re-signing of JPP to HUGE contracts. In hindsight, these were NOT good moves by the Giants.

Now New York just made Solder the highest paid lineman in the NFL for a guy who is generally considered in the 10-15 range (among 32 teams) of left tackles in the NFL.

The argument "the Giants had no choice" is not valid in my opinion. If we are sitting here in March 2019 or 2020 bitching about Solder's contract (like we are about now about JPP and Vernon), then this wasn't a smart move. Only time will tell.

The Giants are clearly all in on Eli Manning.


Highest paid anything in the NFL doesn't mean much anymore. IT is based on the fact that the CAP is much bigger than it was previously and guys benefit from that.
I just hope there is a comprehensive plan in place  
moespree : 3/14/2018 12:34 pm : link
On how to not only improve the team this year but with an eye on what to do about the future as well. I would think that of course there is a plan in place and we're not seeing a fly by the seat of your pants approach. At least I hope this is the case.
RE: So, is Solder a less than good signing?  
SeanLandeta : 3/14/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13864710 Beezer said:
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If so, I don't see why.

Very solid LT at what seems to be a fair market price tag. Not an all-pro, but a professional who is very solid, and who brings a winning resume.


If he's middle of the pack of LTs on a team that made the SB, how is he going to look with a reassembled line likely to include some very raw talent and or patch-work guys. I'm expecting it to be very difficult for Solder to live up to the contract (see Vernon for guys who get killed for that around here). Hope I'm wrong...
RE: ...  
5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13864704 Eric from BBI said:
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Be very careful of falling into the trap that just because the Giants signed somebody, it means they "fixed" a problem.

A couple of years ago, many celebrated the signing of Olivier Vernon and the re-signing of JPP to HUGE contracts. In hindsight, these were NOT good moves by the Giants.

Now New York just made Solder the highest paid lineman in the NFL for a guy who is generally considered in the 10-15 range (among 32 teams) of left tackles in the NFL.

The argument "the Giants had no choice" is not valid in my opinion. If we are sitting here in March 2019 or 2020 bitching about Solder's contract (like we are about now about JPP and Vernon), then this wasn't a smart move. Only time will tell.

The Giants are clearly all in on Eli Manning.


Rewatch the Super Bowl eric. Did you see anyone on that awesome Eagles front touch Brady? Rejoice Eric.....this is a good day.
RE: RE: ...  
Essex : 3/14/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13864867 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 13864704 Eric from BBI said:


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Be very careful of falling into the trap that just because the Giants signed somebody, it means they "fixed" a problem.

A couple of years ago, many celebrated the signing of Olivier Vernon and the re-signing of JPP to HUGE contracts. In hindsight, these were NOT good moves by the Giants.

Now New York just made Solder the highest paid lineman in the NFL for a guy who is generally considered in the 10-15 range (among 32 teams) of left tackles in the NFL.

The argument "the Giants had no choice" is not valid in my opinion. If we are sitting here in March 2019 or 2020 bitching about Solder's contract (like we are about now about JPP and Vernon), then this wasn't a smart move. Only time will tell.

The Giants are clearly all in on Eli Manning.



Rewatch the Super Bowl eric. Did you see anyone on that awesome Eagles front touch Brady? Rejoice Eric.....this is a good day.

I kind of remember the game being decided by someone ripping the ball out of Brady's hands. In addition, Brady does a pretty good job of spotting coverages and getting rid of the ball. I think he is an upgrade, but this is far from a cure all and as I have said repeatedly if it is the impetus to make us go after Barkley, then I am pretty down on this move. I love Eli, but he has regressed and we need a plan for our future--one that starts with utilizing our second pick overall on a position of need for the future and one that is necessary to be successful in this league. Not only that but our division has two young qbs in Wentz and Prescott, you want to have the third best qb in your division, at best, for the next ten years??? I think Rosen could be better than both, by a lot. Let's not mess this up.
Solder - good deal  
Giantslifer : 3/14/2018 2:56 pm : link
He will stabilize LT position for 4-5 years. Allowing Giants to figure out where to put Flowers, he is only 23, gotta be able to play somewhere.

His knowledge of Patriot system will be extremely important, Brady gets rid of ball very quickly. Eli should watch and learn.

Possibly allows Eli to regain some of his ability, need at least one good year out of Eli.

Frees up OL draft board for LB and DL in early rounds. Probably a very good veteran influence on existing OL
RE: fuck this... we are the Knicks now  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/14/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13864682 GMAN4LIFE said:
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-Eric from BBI


gotta admit, I giggled.
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