We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
If you're against people sharing things they hear, the title alone should deter you from clicking. He shouldnt have to divulge his source, and who is Eric to deem it viable even if he does? lol
JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I think that should do it, but I would also ask for 2020 1st rd to see if they would include.
Still don't feel comfortable moving from #2 to #12, but if we are going to, I'd want all the above back. You would have to get a king's ransom to move back in the Giants current roster and draft position.
How can anyone fall for this shit over and over? A person you trust? You are privy to the inner workings at 1925? Bull and shit. Also no chance this team is trading down until it's their turn to pick.
Love the asshat info, even if sometimes it is not true. I think I am in the minority that I would welcome a big haul to trade down if they are not planning on taking a QB. This team has holes all over the place and only 5 picks as it stands now.
If you're against people sharing things they hear, the title alone should deter you from clicking. He shouldnt have to divulge his source, and who is Eric to deem it viable even if he does? lol
Agreed. As far as the Bills waiting until draft night, the Eagles made a similar trade before the draft even though the Rams were drafting #1 and also needed a QB. My guess is that as Sy said, the Bills want Allen, and are confident the Browns will take either Darnold or Barkley.
How can anyone fall for this shit over and over? A person you trust? You are privy to the inner workings at 1925? Bull and shit. Also no chance this team is trading down until it's their turn to pick.
if the whole league knows theyre trading the farm to get into the top 5 - why wait?
You want to wait until 30 minutes into the draft to see if your draft strategy goes from "Select our future QB and 3 other guys with the pieces with the few picks remaining" or "Scouting and selecting 5 guys in the top 65 picks" - thats a tectonic shift of strategy and resource allocation.
I would agree today if I were both teams if its a legit offer.
This could just be preliminary talks for a draft day trade! Â
How can anyone fall for this shit over and over? A person you trust? You are privy to the inner workings at 1925? Bull and shit. Also no chance this team is trading down until it's their turn to pick.
Not suggesting this guy knows what he is talking about, but the Bills can make this trade if they like two of the QBs and are ok with either.
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How can anyone fall for this shit over and over? A person you trust? You are privy to the inner workings at 1925? Bull and shit. Also no chance this team is trading down until it's their turn to pick.
The part about no chance doesn't fit here. If they are 100% in for Eli right now and Webb for future then no worries about #2. I suspect the Giants want to position themselves for a short 2 year window and run at a Championship.
If so, a QB at 2 will not do that for you. YOu fix the Oline, the LB'ers and DB's/WR's.
now, is that maybe the league knows the Giants are NOT all in on a QB at 2. That means the closer to draft day they get the less attractive our pick becomes. Because the Colts aren't drafting a QB at 3 and they become the next big spot if a QB is what you want..
are skeptical of these kinds of posts is the lack of information. What is the "person of trust" relationship to either the Bills or Giants? How does he get inside information. How long has this negotiation been going on?
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
would give a team with a lot of holes (us) 4 potential starters instead of 2. An OL player (like Williams), a top RB (like the LSU guy), a top LB or DB, etc.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
you get the QB or one of the QB's you want. If Browns go Darnold then you want your choice (Say Allen) and he would be your target at 2. If we get to draft day and the Giants are still sitting with the 2 and you (say Buffalo) know they are not going QB then you could target the 3rd spot to get your guy.
If you think other teams may outbid you for a pick then you offer the max you can now and get you spot locked up. Then you use the rest of FREE Agency to fill the needs you have now that you won't have the picks to fill them.
probably all the way up to 3, would basically cost what we’d get in this hypothetical trade. It also can’t be guaranteed to happen anyway so we can be stuck at 12 picking from the 2nd tier of talent.
probably all the way up to 3, would basically cost what we’d get in this hypothetical trade. It also can’t be guaranteed to happen anyway so we can be stuck at 12 picking from the 2nd tier of talent.
would give a team with a lot of holes (us) 4 potential starters instead of 2. An OL player (like Williams), a top RB (like the LSU guy), a top LB or DB, etc.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
we also get 23 this year, 2nd rounder this year, 1st next year, and 2nd next year.
Basically if you wanted RB at #2 it would be like trading Barkley for Derrius Guice, Hernandez (who I love!), and say James Washington another player I love... Plus most likely high picks next year from a team with no QB basically. Could be back in the top 5 of each round. In the mean time Guice, Hernandez would start and Washington would probably be at least 4th WR.
You could also trade back to 12th picking up 23rd, 2nd, next years 1st, and 2nd. Then trade up into the top 10 if you wanted keeping most of the trade back. To me though there is easily 12 good players I would be happy with. 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 2 OL, 3 DBs, 2 DL, 2 LBs.
a terrible move. The number 2 pick is massively valuable. The Bills made it to the playoffs last year, maybe they will again. They would have to give up an absolute ton more than is being mentioned here or the Giants will look like morons. How come all these teams are willing to mortgage everything for these QBs and the Giants and old Eli are not interested in taking one?
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
are skeptical of these kinds of posts is the lack of information. What is the "person of trust" relationship to either the Bills or Giants? How does he get inside information. How long has this negotiation been going on?
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
DaddyM89 has posted here for years and has never been an attention seeker that would be looking to make up asshat info.
I don't know if it'll go down (I really hope it doesn't) but I trust that he does truly have someone telling him it will. Could be someone from Miami that's a player on the teams, considering IIRC that was his school (I always remember people who are my age posting on BBI from like 10 years ago. Remember Dubs?)
eliminates Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, all the QBs worth taking in Round 1. And, you would have to worry about teams trading to move up to 11 or lower. Makes no sense. This would be a draft day trade, and I still wouldn't like it.
probably all the way up to 3, would basically cost what we’d get in this hypothetical trade. It also can’t be guaranteed to happen anyway so we can be stuck at 12 picking from the 2nd tier of talent.
Sounds smart.
The argument about 2nd tier players etc is all tied with QB's being available at #2 or Barkley etc.. But, what if the Giants don't want a QB or Barkley at #2? If they truly wnat to win now, then immediate starters and major contributors is needed with our picks...
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
eliminates Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, all the QBs worth taking in Round 1. And, you would have to worry about teams trading to move up to 11 or lower. Makes no sense. This would be a draft day trade, and I still wouldn't like it.
I don't think this will happen. I hope not.
Don't be so sure about that. I suspect this draft is far more fluid than people think. Chubb to me is a very blah player. Overrated. OT's will slide some- MM, OB, CW will all go lower than first thought. Nelson will be top 10 for sure but so many other spots open. The Giants can't fill multiple needs with 5 picks and FA.
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
Gettleman learned his craft under Ernie Accorsi. The Maras have been and continue to be a conservative organization. Trading up yes, trading down no.
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
when someone makes a post like this and then disappears. No follow up, nothing else. That being said, I don't think Daddy is like Limerick where he tries to pretend to be someone he isn't. Not really doubting that he got this text, but where is the follow up after the hysteria?
JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
when someone makes a post like this and then disappears. No follow up, nothing else. That being said, I don't think Daddy is like Limerick where he tries to pretend to be someone he isn't. Not really doubting that he got this text, but where is the follow up after the hysteria?
when someone makes a post like this and then disappears. No follow up, nothing else. That being said, I don't think Daddy is like Limerick where he tries to pretend to be someone he isn't. Not really doubting that he got this text, but where is the follow up after the hysteria?
Its only been 40 minutes. Maybe he got some lunch and then took a massive dump.
I knew someone in Plainville who knew Solders wife Â
when someone makes a post like this and then disappears. No follow up, nothing else. That being said, I don't think Daddy is like Limerick where he tries to pretend to be someone he isn't. Not really doubting that he got this text, but where is the follow up after the hysteria?
Agreed...the hit and run is right out of the Slade playbook. Maybe Daddy will follow up with some additional info.
I fully expect the Bills to engaging in trade talks with the Browns, Giants and Colts right now however I can't see them or the Giants pulling the trigger until draft day.
That's a confident answer. What makes you say that.
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1. What are notable asshat predictions that turned out to be true?
2. Did any asshats have the 2004 draft day trade correct?
Thanks?
There have been several. Back then it was the original gloveone who called it. Current members with inside info are Hitdog and JonC. They occasionally leaves hints inside threads.
I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
LOL, Gay Instagram has all the deets
What's Aaron Rodgers up to?
the price for a trade down from #2 to #12 at this point Â
would have to be massive. There is absolutely no reason for the Giants to do this now unless they couldn't imagine a better result later. I could see it happening for an existing cost protected starter, #12, #23 and the Bills second-round choice at a minimum. Not for anything less.
this poster has been around for a while and does not make waves, is a courteous poster, and does not post alot. He's also been a member for 8 years -- so I don;t know why a guy like him would make this up -- he deserves the benefit of the doubt and basically gave a don't shoot the messenger post
If true, the Bills really like one of the QBs and the Giants do not Â
if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
this poster has been around for a while and does not make waves, is a courteous poster, and does not post alot. He's also been a member for 8 years -- so I don;t know why a guy like him would make this up -- he deserves the benefit of the doubt and basically gave a don't shoot the messenger post
I'm sure he didn't make it up, just people questioning the validity of his source (unless it is gay insta)
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
LOL, Gay Instagram has all the deets
What's Aaron Rodgers up to?
Something about hiring a lesbian chauffeur.
RE: If true, the Bills really like one of the QBs and the Giants do not Â
this poster has been around for a while and does not make waves, is a courteous poster, and does not post alot. He's also been a member for 8 years -- so I don;t know why a guy like him would make this up -- he deserves the benefit of the doubt and basically gave a don't shoot the messenger post
Well said plus we all know how things are this time of year. I for one like hearing this kind of thing whether it works out or not
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if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
That is a mock draft from 2 days ago
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if true before even seeing what the browns did the Bills would in theory have to blow the giants out of the water with a trade. So a trade early would have to benefit us in a big way IMO. Why else rush into a deal before the draft unless you are getting a kings ransom
We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
It doesn’t seem like Buffalo has sufficient “ammo” to pull this off.
It would seem like a player(s) from Buffalo would have to be involved (who would we want?) and / or it would be a multi-team deal.
For Gettleman to pull the trigger on a trade 6 weeks before the draft, it would have to be “beyond a king’s ransom” (think Herschel Walker / Ricky Williams type trade).
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if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
Is that the one labeled "mock"? That's what I see when I go to the page.
We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
I agree with this.
When would you like him to post a draft pick trade?? The bye week?
Franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Better pray the team is correct about Webb or we are looking at the 90s all over again. How many more years can we get out of Eli? He is badly regressing already.
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if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
Is that the one labeled "mock"? That's what I see when I go to the page.
That's all I saw as well. It doesn't look current either. It has the Giants needing to trade up to 16 (meaning they didn't account for the COrdy Glenn trade). So yeah. This is a BBI exclusive.
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if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
Is that the one labeled "mock"? That's what I see when I go to the page.
Me too. I just see mock draft with Giants Bills trade
How about a summary of the last 27 pages, what's actually going on?
- Vinny Dias on Twitter posted [yesterday] about a HUGE TRADE BREWING. Some comments linked it to Buffalo. Neither Vinny nor the commentators have any evidence of credibility.
- Got more fuel by cryptic Tweets by Tim Graham [Bills beat] and some other legit NFL sources...none of which directly linked Buffalo other than the Tim Graham connection. And now there seems to be more steam and Buffalo rumors in more legit circles coming out on twitter
Its pretty reasonable to think there is a potential big trade with the Bills trading into the top 4 of the draft as its been widely reported that Beane is trying to do just that from credible sources (and pretty obvious since we dont have a QB and didnt sign one either). So this all could be some tweets where people think its coming just off that basis and are trying to act like they knew something ahead of time. Or there might really be something to it and its a bigger trade than just a trade up (which would still be a big trade if its just another trade up).
At this point, take everything with a grain of salt and just enjoy the fact that everyones boring Wed has a little more intrigue. Personally, I do think something is coming based on real NFL insiders kind of alluding to it, but all I expect is that its Beane leveraging our newly acquired #12th pick to get into the top 5 of the draft as he is clearly going after a QB given we dont have one."
The reason this poster says "all I expect" is that there is even more wild speculation from Bills' fans about trades for Luck, Newton (among others).
I know I'll be buried for citing him, but Incarcerated Bob says that the Colts and Browns are "listening" to the Bills. No mention of the Giants. Link - ( New Window )
With his track record, probably means the Giants-Bills are discussing things and the Browns/Colts aren't interested!
I still don't think DG passes on chance for a Qb. Eli can be cut next year to save a ton of money. Not unless DG is looking at someone like Lamar Jackson and picks him at 12.
I know I'll be buried for citing him, but Incarcerated Bob says that the Colts and Browns are "listening" to the Bills. No mention of the Giants. Link - ( New Window )
Ouch, Incarcerated Bob has failed so many times with rumor Knicks trades, but that being said, it makes since for the Browns 4th pick to be in play with the Bills conditional perhaps on Barkley not being there on Draft Day.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
this poster has been around for a while and does not make waves, is a courteous poster, and does not post alot. He's also been a member for 8 years -- so I don;t know why a guy like him would make this up -- he deserves the benefit of the doubt and basically gave a don't shoot the messenger post
I logged on to post almost this exactly. I've seen this guy post for years and he's never been involved in any BS. He really may have heard something, and its very possible it doesn't come true. No reason to kill him.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
The Bills traded the QB they benched for the QB who threw five picks.
+1 This poster has never seemed like a jerkoff before. Â
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
The Bills traded the QB they benched for the QB who threw five picks.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
You don't force a pick this year just because you don't like the crop at the position next year. If you take a QB at 2, it better be because you think he has perennial all-pro talent.
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
OMG, settle the fuck down... All of this talk about a QB at # 2 as if it is a lock he will succeed. If we have no offensive line your QB will get fucking killed. Please with all this BS like Marino is coming out in the draft.
Entertaining to have some asshat news from a possibly legit source even if nothing comes of it. Long way to go until the draft, you can only read so many “We should take Rosen” type posts before you go numb.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
The Giants are in position to draft either the top QB, RB, OL, DL, Â
LB, CB, or safety in the draft. To trade that far down and end up with none of those players would be simply foolish regardless of what the Bills give up.
It would give us in the top 7 picks in the top 102.
12 23
34 53 56
66
102
That is the type of haul I would hope we get.
To me any trade that doesn't include the 2019 first rounder doesn't make sense. They need a franchise QB but we need one soon as well. I'm fine with kicking the can (for a price), but that price is that we need to be positioned in 2019 to actually get that franchise QB.
The scenario is that Buffalo takes that franchise QB (probably Josh Allen), and he starts, likely early...Nathan Peterman is the only current QB on their roster. They already missed out on Sam Bradford and Case Keenum, and even if they were interested in Bridgewater he's going to the Jets. So it's highly likely the Bills are going to not win a lot of games next year...you're going to want that pick, which could be in the top 3 or 5 picks.
Any deal has to include that 2019 first rounder, which I think is THE most important pick in the deal. If it were me I'd say your two firsts this year, one 2nd rounder this year, and next year's first. That's the deal.
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
You don't force a pick this year just because you don't like the crop at the position next year. If you take a QB at 2, it better be because you think he has perennial all-pro talent.
You get paid to get it right....To draft best player and have resources to trade down to get your needs met at different pick slot.
To not be able to trade up and down consistently is a serious handicap.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Like it or not, there is such a thing as positional value. Kareem Hunt and Kamara went in the 3rd round last year, for example. You simply do not need to draft a guy like Barkley at 2, I don't care what his skill set is, because you can get a reasonable facsimile of the guy later on. He may not be Barkley exactly, but I'd rather come out of the draft with Rosen, Hernandez, and Penny than Barkley, Hernandez, and some other third round pick.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Teams reach for QBs all the time due to positional scarcity and importance. You could argue "franchise" QBs aren't even pro-bowlers, let alone all-pros as just about any average QB is going to get paid when their contract is up (see Cousins, Smith, etc).
We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
I agree with this.
When would you like him to post a draft pick trade?? The bye week?
I think that was over your head but given what others have said about OP, I'll retract. I was skeptical because I don't think anything would happen before draft day in any trade not involving the #1 overall pick. It isn't unprecedented, though. Chargers made a pre-draft trade in 1998 to move up to #2 and was willing to take whoever the Colts didn't want out of Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, and we all know the rest of that story. I highly, highly doubt that Buffalo would complete a trade with anyone but the Browns or Giants prior to draft day, though. If they trade with the Giants prior to draft day, it probably means that they have two quarterbacks that they like and are good with whoever is there at #2.
But seems like OP is a good poster so he probably does deserve more leeway.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Teams reach for QBs all the time due to positional scarcity and importance. You could argue "franchise" QBs aren't even pro-bowlers, let alone all-pros as just about any average QB is going to get paid when their contract is up (see Cousins, Smith, etc).
Perhaps, but "Reach" is a media/talking head and fan term.
No "football person" drafts a player at #2 overall, at any position, that they don't think will be a perennial all-pro.
Period.
you will never convince me otherwise, that a team picks a player at #2 overall and thinks "we think this guy can be average for us and we need a QB"
that's maybe how fans view it or Mel Kiper views it, it's not how the people making the pick view it.
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
What was Rosen considered after his 2016 season? Now to some he's the next Peyton Manning. He played 6 games in 2016 and was a 59.3% passer.
A lot can change in 1 year, especially with young QBs that are still developing and growing as players. Ryan Finley is a guy to watch next year. Out of NC State. 65% passer in 2017 and a 17-6 TDs to INTs. I like him and think he's going to be even better in 2018.
RE: Bills move up to #2 and turn around and trade the #2 pick Â
they would need to add future number 1 next year before that deal gets enough traction you would be out the hunt for barkley,chubb,fitzpatrick,nelson,even edwards and brown probably with that if you going to trade back you want a shot at least 1 of those guys are there at 12 seams like its too far they already traded glenn who the giants may have been interested enough in already and unlikely they could afford another OL trade?
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Like it or not, there is such a thing as positional value. Kareem Hunt and Kamara went in the 3rd round last year, for example. You simply do not need to draft a guy like Barkley at 2, I don't care what his skill set is, because you can get a reasonable facsimile of the guy later on. He may not be Barkley exactly, but I'd rather come out of the draft with Rosen, Hernandez, and Penny than Barkley, Hernandez, and some other third round pick.
I agree, and I said nothing to the contrary. I was not advocating for any specific position at #2 over another, only that whoever the GM drafts at #2 overall they have an expectation the player will excel in the NFL ("become a perennial all-pro").
So was another random scrub the Cardinals ran out there around the same time, Max Hall.
Here's a blast from the past - Stan Gelbaugh, proud possessor of a 1-11 record as an NFL starter. 10 TDs/22 INTs. Kelly Stouffer was actually the sixth overall pick in the 1987 draft, was 5-11 as starter, 7 TDs/16 INTs.
Rick Mirer wasn't quite as bad as the guys we've been talking about, but what is amazing is how many games he managed to start despite being awful.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
and he was terrible, but he was never as bad as Nathan Peterman from what I recall (in Peterman's debut).
And Lindley only started I think because of injury but that year but the Cardinals had a litany of shitty QB's. Lindley, Skelton (Skelton or Shelton?), Kolb and more.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
What are you talking about? Did you read my post?
All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.
Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
What are you talking about? Did you read my post?
All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.
Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
Well, clearly I didn't read it closely and jumped to typing.... Reduces self 3 steps in rank.
While we're talking about atrocious recent NFL QBs, Â
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
What are you talking about? Did you read my post?
All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.
Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
Well, clearly I didn't read it closely and jumped to typing.... Reduces self 3 steps in rank.
At 12 you have a shot at Derwin James, Denzel Ward, Roquan Smith (I think Smith won't get past the Raiders at 10, though) or Mike McGlinchey (I still would have no problem drafting him even with the addition of Solder).
Come back at 22 and the guy I'm circling his name big time is Isaiah Wynn or perhaps a CB if I didn't get one at 12 like Carlton Davis.
Then at the top of round 2 at 34 overall I like Billy Price, maybe James Daniels. Marcus Davenport could be there, even. If I haven't grabbed a corner yet Jaire Alexander could be in play.
Then at #53 overall, which would be one of Buffalo's 2nd rounders, I want Rashaad Penny or Nick Chubb. If I didn't get a C earlier I like Frank Ragnow an awful lot, he can also play Guard. Braden Smith, great OG out of Auburn, also a strong choice. Consolation prizes would be Sam Hubbard, Lorenzo Carter, or Derek Nnadi, who to me would be a great interior pass rusher, can be a pass-rushing nose on passing downs to spell Harrison, and/or can play on the end in a 3-4.
Then at the top of round 3 I really like Armani Watts at FS. I think Bettcher would love this guy. If I miss on him Equanimeous St. Brown, but a guy I really like and don't want to gamble on waiting to round 4 is Tre'Quan Smith, WR out of UCF. He's one of my big value picks in this draft. Perhaps Tyrell Crosby or Kolton Miller slips here although I don't think so.
Then you still are going to have two first rounders next year, with high potential that one or both of them will be high first round picks, but now you have an influx of talent so if you can grab your franchise QB next year, he already has a rebuilt O-line and some young talent entering their 2nd year to work with. That would be 5 picks inside of the top 66 overall picks of the draft, and you hope you have 5 good players to add to your team before you even get to the 4th round.
It would be interesting to me if Ereck Flowers was involved in Â
I have been absolutely swamped at work today. As others have mentioned, I have been a poster for almost 8 years and lurked for about 10 years before that. I have never posted fake news and have always tried to abide by BBIs rules. I've even written some articles for Eric in the past for BBI.
I understand with Asshat info it can either make or break a persons reputation (Hi Slade.) If it's wrong I will 100% man up and take my online beatings. I am standing by what I was told, and wanted to pass it along to BBI since I appreciate the community and all the breaking news so much. I personally am hoping it's wrong because I'm in the franchise QB or Barkley camp. But we should have some clarity about it soon.
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
I'm guessing you haven't heard any particulars like picks/players coming back?
Its just odd timing because what is the incentive for the Giants unless the Bills just blew them away with any offer they couldn't refuse and the giants wanted to start scouting players in the middle of the 1st round which they might not have been doing as heavily before?
I get it from the bills prospective...lock the #2 pick so you know you are at least getting one of the top 2 QB's...but for the Giants to do it there would have to be a ridiculous amount of value coming whether its picks/players.
Our problems are because of bad drafting and the best way to fix our problem is through good drafts--not free agency, but we are not going to do that with 5 draft picks. Although the second pick could be tremendous, we may be better off fixing the entire team with extra high picks this year and next year.
I want Barkley at 2, but I think we may benefit more with a draft haul as long as we actually start making good draft picks.
thats what makes me think that they'd have to be blown away, and worry maybe the colts would take a similar package instead if they don't jump on it. Keep in mind the year rams and eagles traded up neither was on draft night. Rams were about 2 weeks before and eagles were about a week before. Granted not as far out as this but if it's something too good to pass up they probably pounce on it.
I hope the deal is not made, Giants should not pass up the chance to take a QB, unless the new coach likes a guy that they can get later like Mason Rudolph.
I was told it would be a haul. Probably similar to what we've been hearing around here for a potential trade. If I had to guess.
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
def sounds plausible (I would hope to scratch out both there seconds along with both 1sts and there 2019 1st. I would want to obliterate the trade value chart because it would be for a QB.
But from the looks of it Mara/Gettleman want to compete and these FA moves seems to align with giving Eli another year or two run at this. So from that prospective a trade down acquiring a trove of picks would make sense to help address a lot of our issues. I personally wouldn't do it. But the direction from the owner/GM point that would align with what they seem to be wanting to do.
when does the offer just become too attractive to pass up?
Let us take this rumor and call it fact for sake of argument.. buffalo is offering both 1st round picks, a 2nd, a 4th AND 2019 1st for our 2nd overall pick.
I was told it would be a haul. Probably similar to what we've been hearing around here for a potential trade. If I had to guess.
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
If that's the return, I almost think you HAVE to do it. Especially if you aren't sold on the QBs. No way an RB prospect is worth giving up those picks either.
and thanks for passing along. I know it's tough to share info on BBI and not get backlash. That said, I find it strange the Giants would pull the trigger on a trade this big in mid March. Usually this would happen closer to the draft, so the only way I'd see this happening is if the following
- The Giants are not impressed with the QB crop to draft that high
- They don't want to pick a RB (Barkley) that high
- They realize they have lots of holes to fill and will spread the picks rather than hoping to hit a home run with #2
- The Giants are worried the Bills would make a similar deal with the Colts or Browns and wanted to strike before they move on.
If the deal doesn't include their next year #1, the Giants should hang up the phone.
If that is the trade or something similar. Could be looking at something like Denzel Ward and Mcglitchey in the 1st (still not sold on flowers think hell be gone after this year even moving to RT.) and then maybe a Guice for RB and then a good guard with the Bills 2nd rounder. You get a OT, OG, CB, and RB. That fills a ton of holes on the team.
Plus you still have two first rounders next year where I don't think BIllls will be that great with a rookie QB and an aging McCoy at RB.
If that is the trade or something similar. Could be looking at something like Denzel Ward and Mcglitchey in the 1st (still not sold on flowers think hell be gone after this year even moving to RT.) and then maybe a Guice for RB and then a good guard with the Bills 2nd rounder. You get a OT, OG, CB, and RB. That fills a ton of holes on the team.
Plus you still have two first rounders next year where I don't think BIllls will be that great with a rookie QB and an aging McCoy at RB.
100% agree. Its just too much value to pass up IMO. Downside is our ceiling is low this year (6-7 wins tops)
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
I have been absolutely swamped at work today. As others have mentioned, I have been a poster for almost 8 years and lurked for about 10 years before that. I have never posted fake news and have always tried to abide by BBIs rules. I've even written some articles for Eric in the past for BBI.
I understand with Asshat info it can either make or break a persons reputation (Hi Slade.) If it's wrong I will 100% man up and take my online beatings. I am standing by what I was told, and wanted to pass it along to BBI since I appreciate the community and all the breaking news so much. I personally am hoping it's wrong because I'm in the franchise QB or Barkley camp. But we should have some clarity about it soon.
sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
And you know what the difference is? The Cowboys already had Aikman. They could afford to make that move and accumulate assets. If we already had a young franchise QB, I'd be in full favor of moving down and getting whatever we could for our pick.
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
Are you actually serious? Please get off your soapbox here. BBI did not "ruin" any great NYG draft strategy in 2016. The leaks were elsewhere, and ended up here as well. But you can believe what you want. Just stop preaching. Trynig to scare away info and discussion is NOT the point of the message board, Quite the contrary.
I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
But hey, 250 comments and counting.
Ummm, NO....
RE: RE: RE: Also for those asking about source etc. Â
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Both of their 1st round (12 and 22)
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
No thanks. If you trade down for a haul, maximize and use all the picks.
I disagree sammo. If we move down to 12...and then Nelson says slips past the jets @ 6...and you call the Bucs and offer #12 and #56 (acquired from the bills) to move up to #7 to pick nelson.
Then still have #22, #53, #121, and a there 2019 1st while still all our picks and acquiring nelson....that would fill a lot of issues and still get the lineman we coveted if thats our plan
RE: RE: RE: RE: Also for those asking about source etc. Â
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
And you know what the difference is? The Cowboys already had Aikman. They could afford to make that move and accumulate assets. If we already had a young franchise QB, I'd be in full favor of moving down and getting whatever we could for our pick.
OMG, those two things are not related. The Boys selected Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft too. So they have 2 1sr RD QB's..
sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
Everyone points to Dallas the example. Do you have a more recent example? Say in the last 30 years?
the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
LimerickGuy just reported that the Earth is indeed flat, you believe him right?
If the Browns draft Barkley, we trade with Bills. We get several picks to build this team and draft a QB next year or replace Eli in free agency in 3-4 years. If not, we draft Barkley. That simple. We cannot pass on Barkley at number 2.
If the Browns draft Barkley, we trade with Bills. We get several picks to build this team and draft a QB next year or replace Eli in free agency in 3-4 years. If not, we draft Barkley. That simple. We cannot pass on Barkley at number 2.
Go ahead and take a look at the QBs available for next year's draft. You'll come running back here pleading the Giants to stay put and draft a QB this year at #2.
If the Browns draft Barkley, we trade with Bills. We get several picks to build this team and draft a QB next year or replace Eli in free agency in 3-4 years. If not, we draft Barkley. That simple. We cannot pass on Barkley at number 2.
Go ahead and take a look at the QBs available for next year's draft. You'll come running back here pleading the Giants to stay put and draft a QB this year at #2.
I don't know as much as the next guy what the giants feel internally about Webb but you seem to be writing him off pretty easily if the Giants like him enough to give him a go to replace Eli then we wouldn't at least have to worry about addressing QB until Eli retires and Webb proves he can't do it...its risky but we aren't there to know if Webb has the goods or not...its not like he was some undrafted FA he was a 3rd round pick.
My point has nothing to do with belief or disbelief. It is about discussion and conversation on all things Giants. Can you 100% disprove him, or do you just enjoy responding in absurd prose and trying to put down a poster that thought he had info the rest of us might enjoy discussing?
Stopping being an asshole. If you don't like the OP and the post, go elsewhere. The OP being right or wrong is almost irrelevant (being he's not Slade), it the discussions and banter about the Giants, not your feelings on information dissemination, that we are here for.
the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
LimerickGuy just reported that the Earth is indeed flat, you believe him right?
We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
Umm... remind us again, when was it that the Bills completed a first round trade to obtain the 12th pick of this draft?
I’m not saying this trade rumor is valid. But your argument is demonstrably false.
Just came on BBI & scrolled through this thread, Â
DaddyM89 is a long time,reputable poster & I'm sure all of us get excited when we see "asshat"info.That being said,Gettleman said a while ago You don't get too cute with the #2 & you want to get a "HOF" type player with it. #12 is too far back I'm still in the franchise QB camp but would be okay w/Barkley. Don't see that happening at such a lower pick.But,this was fun to read through!
Both of their 1st round (12 and 22)
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
This will be a good point to look at as far as value. I know people don't necessarily go by the draft value chart, but for the sake of argument (since NFL teams have used it), let's look at the value.
The #2 pick in the draft is worth 2600 points
Per the grouping above-
#12- 1200
#22- 780
#53- 370
#56- 340
Total - 2690 points.
And that doesn't include the value of the 1st round pick next year for the Bills. Where if they win the Super Bowl and pick #32- 590 points.
So 3,280 points (assuming Bills win Super Bowl) to give up 2600 points.
Pure value, looking at the numbers, the Giants don't want a fair deal, they want a deal they will win. If that offer is on the table, based on the numbers, the Giants should do it.
It's a three-team trade in which the Bills get the #2 pick and Ereck Flowers, the Giants get the #3 pick and #53 overall and the Colts get a ton of picks from the Bills.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Both of their 1st round (12 and 22)
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
This will be a good point to look at as far as value. I know people don't necessarily go by the draft value chart, but for the sake of argument (since NFL teams have used it), let's look at the value.
The #2 pick in the draft is worth 2600 points
Per the grouping above-
#12- 1200
#22- 780
#53- 370
#56- 340
Total - 2690 points.
And that doesn't include the value of the 1st round pick next year for the Bills. Where if they win the Super Bowl and pick #32- 590 points.
So 3,280 points (assuming Bills win Super Bowl) to give up 2600 points.
Pure value, looking at the numbers, the Giants don't want a fair deal, they want a deal they will win. If that offer is on the table, based on the numbers, the Giants should do it.
Missed the 4th- which is an extra 52 points.
Odds are the Giants would have to send something back, like their own 4th or whatever. A 4th won't make or break it either way.
My point has nothing to do with belief or disbelief. It is about discussion and conversation on all things Giants. Can you 100% disprove him, or do you just enjoy responding in absurd prose and trying to put down a poster that thought he had info the rest of us might enjoy discussing?
Stopping being an asshole. If you don't like the OP and the post, go elsewhere. The OP being right or wrong is almost irrelevant (being he's not Slade), it the discussions and banter about the Giants, not your feelings on information dissemination, that we are here for.
Listen kiddo.
The Thrill Ride has been posting on this site for 34 years. And lurking for 10 minutes prior to that.
This same cycle happens every offseason. Gloved one. Slade. Coach Justy. LimerickGuy. Its a master class in hucksterism. I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook and by gummit it put them on the map!
These guys. The insider info. Either they are a) making it up (almost always), or b) betraying a source
Sooooo YUP, sorry DaddyM. Thrillson Phillips is calling you out on either purposefully sharing false bs and/or needlessly violating the confidence of a friend. The Thrill appreciates how you copied page 1 of LimerickGuy's textbook with the whole "if I'm wrong, I'll be a man and admit it." Wow, such integrity. So much integrity. "Here is sensitive information that I'm sharing without permission, if it's bs I'll cop to it ...because I AM A MAN."
Latimer - you might be a reasonable bro, bro. Do you think DaddyM's source would approve of this thread?
And yes, rumors often start on message boards (or some corner of the internet) and fester into twitter and climb the latter of visibility. The internet is not a sacred or hidden palace.
Appreciate you saying I'm a good guy and ethical. I do pop in here once in a while. Things like this Bills rumor crosses my radar. I undoubtedly looked into it. Don't want to get caught sleeping if it's true.
But about that false rumor on BBI that made its way into the news cycle ... please tell. I'm interested in hearing this story. Never heard that.
As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
I don't really care what Daddy's source thinks. That's between them.
I also don't care if you have been posting since Al Gore created the internet. You sound like an ass. Your posts add no value, and it is compounded by your moronic use of the English language. We understand how SOME internet rumors start. We get your point. If you don't like the thread, leave it. That's my point.
My point has nothing to do with belief or disbelief. It is about discussion and conversation on all things Giants. Can you 100% disprove him, or do you just enjoy responding in absurd prose and trying to put down a poster that thought he had info the rest of us might enjoy discussing?
Stopping being an asshole. If you don't like the OP and the post, go elsewhere. The OP being right or wrong is almost irrelevant (being he's not Slade), it the discussions and banter about the Giants, not your feelings on information dissemination, that we are here for.
Listen kiddo.
The Thrill Ride has been posting on this site for 34 years. And lurking for 10 minutes prior to that.
This same cycle happens every offseason. Gloved one. Slade. Coach Justy. LimerickGuy. Its a master class in hucksterism. I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook and by gummit it put them on the map!
These guys. The insider info. Either they are a) making it up (almost always), or b) betraying a source
Sooooo YUP, sorry DaddyM. Thrillson Phillips is calling you out on either purposefully sharing false bs and/or needlessly violating the confidence of a friend. The Thrill appreciates how you copied page 1 of LimerickGuy's textbook with the whole "if I'm wrong, I'll be a man and admit it." Wow, such integrity. So much integrity. "Here is sensitive information that I'm sharing without permission, if it's bs I'll cop to it ...because I AM A MAN."
Latimer - you might be a reasonable bro, bro. Do you think DaddyM's source would approve of this thread?
And yes, rumors often start on message boards (or some corner of the internet) and fester into twitter and climb the latter of visibility. The internet is not a sacred or hidden palace.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also for those asking about source etc. Â
Appreciate you saying I'm a good guy and ethical. I do pop in here once in a while. Things like this Bills rumor crosses my radar. I undoubtedly looked into it. Don't want to get caught sleeping if it's true.
But about that false rumor on BBI that made its way into the news cycle ... please tell. I'm interested in hearing this story. Never heard that.
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
Not asking to out anyone but is there any legs to this?
It's a three-team trade in which the Bills get the #2 pick and Ereck Flowers, the Giants get the #3 pick and #53 overall and the Colts get a ton of picks from the Bills.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Ohh, a Milton double feature - trade Flowers AND get Rosen! Why not make it a five team trade which also results in the Yankees getting Gerrit Cole so you can get all of your obsessions into one post?
I don't really care what Daddy's source thinks. That's between them.
I also don't care if you have been posting since Al Gore created the internet. You sound like an ass. Your posts add no value, and it is compounded by your moronic use of the English language. We understand how SOME internet rumors start. We get your point. If you don't like the thread, leave it. That's my point
And I love this thread. I thought you and I were becoming bro's, bro. You accepted my eccentric verbosity, I forgave you for being 160 lbs of skinny fat loser. Bro's.
It's a three-team trade in which the Bills get the #2 pick and Ereck Flowers, the Giants get the #3 pick and #53 overall and the Colts get a ton of picks from the Bills.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Ohh, a Milton double feature - trade Flowers AND get Rosen! Why not make it a five team trade which also results in the Yankees getting Gerrit Cole so you can get all of your obsessions into one post?
That is ridiculous ... we would have to add more to that deal to Cole on the Yankees.
Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
And to prop up the theory of BBI's influence, we have none other than Bryan Kehl. A guy that other than manic Giants fans have no idea who he is. The guy is peddling insurance and his own policyholders don't even know who he is. It's as if he the Lord of the BBI.
Appreciate you saying I'm a good guy and ethical. I do pop in here once in a while. Things like this Bills rumor crosses my radar. I undoubtedly looked into it. Don't want to get caught sleeping if it's true.
But about that false rumor on BBI that made its way into the news cycle ... please tell. I'm interested in hearing this story. Never heard that.
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
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THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
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THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
Not asking to out anyone but is there any legs to this?
I don't really care what Daddy's source thinks. That's between them.
I also don't care if you have been posting since Al Gore created the internet. You sound like an ass. Your posts add no value, and it is compounded by your moronic use of the English language. We understand how SOME internet rumors start. We get your point. If you don't like the thread, leave it. That's my point
And I love this thread. I thought you and I were becoming bro's, bro. You accepted my eccentric verbosity, I forgave you for being 160 lbs of skinny fat loser. Bro's.
Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
And to prop up the theory of BBI's influence, we have none other than Bryan Kehl. A guy that other than manic Giants fans have no idea who he is. The guy is peddling insurance and his own policyholders don't even know who he is. It's as if he the Lord of the BBI.
Kehl Day, as it's known in BBI's inner circle, was absolutely remarkable.
He shared some good tidbits! And was also pretty salty. I enjoyed the part about Coughlin hating him because he once wore a pink shirt.
I have made my point, I will make no more comments in regards Â
but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
And to prop up the theory of BBI's influence, we have none other than Bryan Kehl. A guy that other than manic Giants fans have no idea who he is. The guy is peddling insurance and his own policyholders don't even know who he is. It's as if he the Lord of the BBI.
Kehl Day, as it's known in BBI's inner circle, was absolutely remarkable.
He shared some good tidbits! And was also pretty salty. I enjoyed the part about Coughlin hating him because he once wore a pink shirt.
I was here. But I wouldn't rely on Kehl supporting a theory of BBI's influence.
RE: One man thrill ride definitely is making some good points Â
but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
(1) Unless DaddyM89 was specifically told not to say anything by his source, then he hasn't betrayed him or her by revealing the information here or anywhere else on the Internet. And if the source didn't want the information revealed, then he or she wouldn't have disclosed it to anyone.
(2) This proposed trade has been rumored for weeks, and is currently being discussed on bulletin boards all over the Internet, including those catering to Bills fans.
(3) Everybody knew we wanted Conklin or Floyd. That information was also all over the Internet. Discussing it on BBI had no impact on what happened on draft night.
I check back here after a couple hours to see if any news Â
and this thread has gone full debacle! Love me some BBI offseason madness.
Hats off to Thrill Ride for sticking around and duking it out...always enjoy your style. I miss being a frat boy douche, in some circles I'd be called that as an insult in the old days, and always took pride in it.
He had a fancy way of posting and seems very knowledgable.
Not sure if this trade stuff is true but I have heard from many media sources that Buffalo has called everyone in the top 5 looking to deal. So the premise of this trade is feasible.
but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
I have been absolutely swamped at work today. As others have mentioned, I have been a poster for almost 8 years and lurked for about 10 years before that. I have never posted fake news and have always tried to abide by BBIs rules. I've even written some articles for Eric in the past for BBI.
I understand with Asshat info it can either make or break a persons reputation (Hi Slade.) If it's wrong I will 100% man up and take my online beatings. I am standing by what I was told, and wanted to pass it along to BBI since I appreciate the community and all the breaking news so much. I personally am hoping it's wrong because I'm in the franchise QB or Barkley camp. But we should have some clarity about it soon.
I, as a long time member of this site, appreciate you sharing this information with us. Asshat info is Asshat info and should be treated as such, not the gospel.
It's a three-team trade in which the Bills get the #2 pick and Ereck Flowers, the Giants get the #3 pick and #53 overall and the Colts get a ton of picks from the Bills.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Ohh, a Milton double feature - trade Flowers AND get Rosen! Why not make it a five team trade which also results in the Yankees getting Gerrit Cole so you can get all of your obsessions into one post?
That is ridiculous ... we would have to add more to that deal to Cole on the Yankees.
Why do you think the Giants just signed Teddy Williams!
p.s.-- It's no coincidence that Houston is where Ted Williams's head and body have been cryogenically stored.
Why exactly is that being slammed?
It could be that initial gestures from the Bills were made and it's being explored at this point. Nothing wrong with that and actually smart business on both parties
I am not proud of it but I did not accomplish what I needed at work today because of this thread. I will be up late doing work now and will need to show some more restraint but its been fun.
If the rumor is true or not the discussion on the possibilities of the trade were very interesting a plausible and may still be something we see. Maybe the giants have been reading this today and will decide to do the trade now :).
At 12 you have a shot at Derwin James, Denzel Ward, Roquan Smith (I think Smith won't get past the Raiders at 10, though) or Mike McGlinchey (I still would have no problem drafting him even with the addition of Solder).
Come back at 22 and the guy I'm circling his name big time is Isaiah Wynn or perhaps a CB if I didn't get one at 12 like Carlton Davis.
Then at the top of round 2 at 34 overall I like Billy Price, maybe James Daniels. Marcus Davenport could be there, even. If I haven't grabbed a corner yet Jaire Alexander could be in play.
Then at #53 overall, which would be one of Buffalo's 2nd rounders, I want Rashaad Penny or Nick Chubb. If I didn't get a C earlier I like Frank Ragnow an awful lot, he can also play Guard. Braden Smith, great OG out of Auburn, also a strong choice. Consolation prizes would be Sam Hubbard, Lorenzo Carter, or Derek Nnadi, who to me would be a great interior pass rusher, can be a pass-rushing nose on passing downs to spell Harrison, and/or can play on the end in a 3-4.
Then at the top of round 3 I really like Armani Watts at FS. I think Bettcher would love this guy. If I miss on him Equanimeous St. Brown, but a guy I really like and don't want to gamble on waiting to round 4 is Tre'Quan Smith, WR out of UCF. He's one of my big value picks in this draft. Perhaps Tyrell Crosby or Kolton Miller slips here although I don't think so.
Then you still are going to have two first rounders next year, with high potential that one or both of them will be high first round picks, but now you have an influx of talent so if you can grab your franchise QB next year, he already has a rebuilt O-line and some young talent entering their 2nd year to work with. That would be 5 picks inside of the top 66 overall picks of the draft, and you hope you have 5 good players to add to your team before you even get to the 4th round.
know I said a few hours. Just texted my contact before and he wrote back "patience." If nothing happens by early tomorrow, I will admit defeat regardless of if it happens or not in the future.
I am not proud of it but I did not accomplish what I needed at work today because of this thread. I will be up late doing work now and will need to show some more restraint but its been fun.
If the rumor is true or not the discussion on the possibilities of the trade were very interesting a plausible and may still be something we see. Maybe the giants have been reading this today and will decide to do the trade now :).
haha... too funny... wtf are you doing playing on the internet at work anyway? lol
know I said a few hours. Just texted my contact before and he wrote back "patience." If nothing happens by early tomorrow, I will admit defeat regardless of if it happens or not in the future.
know I said a few hours. Just texted my contact before and he wrote back "patience." If nothing happens by early tomorrow, I will admit defeat regardless of if it happens or not in the future.
Don't sweat it too much, most of us appreciate the info. We know you're not just being a troll.
think their first next year would have to be included in any deal they do. gives them valuable ammo to move up next year if need be for a franchise QB. Although next years QB looks very weak at this point.
it's pretty clear Buffalo is going to try to move up, and I could see why they would want to go to 2 since they wouldn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Still believe if your source is right, that it might be agreed in prinicple now, but wouldn't be consumated until draft day
this early before the draft. I don’t remember how early last year the eagles made their trades to move up to number 2. I would think it happens closer to the draft.
ill be tied up in meetings all morning tomorrow probably wont be back on until 1PM or so. Don't want people to think I abandoned ship if they don't hear from me for a bit.
ill be tied up in meetings all morning tomorrow probably wont be back on until 1PM or so. Don't want people to think I abandoned ship if they don't hear from me for a bit.
Appreciate any info. Thanks for the hope. Look forward to you being right, or the update tomorrow
it's pretty clear Buffalo is going to try to move up, and I could see why they would want to go to 2 since they wouldn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Still believe if your source is right, that it might be agreed in prinicple now, but wouldn't be consumated until draft day
but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
No GM is making decisions based off BBI threads for fucks sake. If anything they'd be prompted to check their own sources for more smoke and act off that
it's pretty clear Buffalo is going to try to move up, and I could see why they would want to go to 2 since they wouldn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Still believe if your source is right, that it might be agreed in prinicple now, but wouldn't be consumated until draft day
This thought crossed my mind as well.
+2.
I mentioned earlier in the thread using the draft value chart Â
which, yes teams do still use or some variation of it.
For the #2 pick, to trade out of that spot, the Giants aren't looking for an even trade or a fair trade. That stuff can happen when swapping around 4th or 5th round picks.
For the #2 pick, any team will have to basically blow the doors off to get the Giants attention.
I don't doubt that teams are approaching the Giants about a trade. And it would make sense that the Bills will be talking to every team in the top 5 to get their QB, with the Giants being an obvious target.
However, while I think it would be strange for a team to execute a trade like this before the individual workouts are completed, when I looked back, the infamous RG III trade took place on March 12, 2012, just before the start of the league year.
So it wouldn't be out of the realm for a large similar trade (which is what this would be the equivalent) as the Redskins traded up to the #2 pick from the Rams, but they had #6 overall. The Bills have more work to do to make this happen.
true about the RGIII trade Matt, BUT, 1 variable is missing: Â
but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
Hope this adds to the thread.
Sonic Youth is a band
RE: I mentioned earlier in the thread using the draft value chart Â
lil Danny Snyder. The greater (GREATEST) fool theory was in force there :-)
I'm sure teams are asking, but I'd be surprised if any trades in the top 5 happen before draft day.
Snyder may be a fool, but have to remember that Mike Holgren at the time was running the Browns and whined that he would have beaten the 'Skins offer if the Rams had given them the chance. Rams told teams to make their best offers; 'Skins offered more than the Browns; and the Rams stuck to the proposal and would not listen to Browns' increased bid. [I am also old enough to remember that there were a heck of a lot of personnel men and sports writers who took the position that Leaf was a better prospect than Manning based on his upside potential being far greater.]
Never got hurt and continued to play like his rookie season that would have been a trade everyone would sign up for in a second. Remember how annoyed bbi was at the browns after the redskins beat us that year. We thought for sure that we would be second place to rg3 for the next decade. Football is a crazy sport man.
Not really, although I am in the camp that would only want a trade down if Rosen went #1 to the Browns. So if Rosen goes number one and the Giants follow up by trading down with Buffalo for a boatload of picks, does DaddyM get credit for inside info?
p.s.--I don't think DaddyM's pulling anyone's leg and I think he truly believes he has (or had) a scoop, but in fairness to asshats past, present, and future, I think you only get credit if you deliver on your claim (and DaddyM's claim was that it would be announced in "a few hours"). Short of that it comes under the heading of educated guess (even if it was sincere).
No. Thurman Thomas. ;-)
If it happens .. I want this years draft and next years from the Bills.
Agreed, but this is what I would want AT A MINIMUM:
#12, #22, second round pick (2018), and
first round pick (2019).
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
Best of luck!
We'll see. A haul of picks certainly wouldn't hurt anyone.
If you're against people sharing things they hear, the title alone should deter you from clicking. He shouldnt have to divulge his source, and who is Eric to deem it viable even if he does? lol
JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
OJ would murder records behind our revamped O line.
They apparently like all three of Allen, Rosen, and Darnold. But prefer either Rosen or Allen.
Getting to 2 makes sense.
2018 2nd Rd (Both Picks)
2018 3rd Rd
2019 1st Rd
2019 2nd Rd or 2020 1st Rd
I think that should do it, but I would also ask for 2020 1st rd to see if they would include.
Still don't feel comfortable moving from #2 to #12, but if we are going to, I'd want all the above back. You would have to get a king's ransom to move back in the Giants current roster and draft position.
If you make a trade its got to be same day and you make the Bills sweat it out, so you get the best offer you can.
If you're against people sharing things they hear, the title alone should deter you from clicking. He shouldnt have to divulge his source, and who is Eric to deem it viable even if he does? lol
Agreed. As far as the Bills waiting until draft night, the Eagles made a similar trade before the draft even though the Rams were drafting #1 and also needed a QB. My guess is that as Sy said, the Bills want Allen, and are confident the Browns will take either Darnold or Barkley.
But we are not moving back to 12 on March 14th, IMHO, unless we're getting Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas, & Andre Reed, plus 2 #1 draft picks.
Get us multiple players early that can contribute right away.
Agreed, but it is interesting to think about.
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No. Thurman Thomas. ;-)
I’ll do it if they throw in Bruce Smith too
I love the idea DG is looking to deal...but dropping to #12 likely takes a lot of the top guys off the table for us
You want to wait until 30 minutes into the draft to see if your draft strategy goes from "Select our future QB and 3 other guys with the pieces with the few picks remaining" or "Scouting and selecting 5 guys in the top 65 picks" - thats a tectonic shift of strategy and resource allocation.
I would agree today if I were both teams if its a legit offer.
Get us multiple players early that can contribute right away.
Why would you want Peterman
Not suggesting this guy knows what he is talking about, but the Bills can make this trade if they like two of the QBs and are ok with either.
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Agreed, but this is what I would want AT A MINIMUM:
#12, #22, second round pick (2018), and
first round pick (2019).
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AT A MINIMUM.
Aint happening unless it includes at least 1 quality starter as well.
The part about no chance doesn't fit here. If they are 100% in for Eli right now and Webb for future then no worries about #2. I suspect the Giants want to position themselves for a short 2 year window and run at a Championship.
If so, a QB at 2 will not do that for you. YOu fix the Oline, the LB'ers and DB's/WR's.
Right you are.
And wouldn't they wait until Rosen and Darnold, particularly Darnold as he didn't throw at the combine, have their pro days before making this deal.
And if we do this we lose out on all QBs, the best RB prospect in a while, the best Guard prospect in a while, a blue chip DE, etc.
50 lashings!
I think Gettleman would have to be blown away to trade out of number 2
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
Nelson will not be there at 12.
So I'm assuming this was done since it wasn't deleted.
If you think other teams may outbid you for a pick then you offer the max you can now and get you spot locked up. Then you use the rest of FREE Agency to fill the needs you have now that you won't have the picks to fill them.
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This +100
Doubt all those picks would be offered.
Hitdog buddy, what's the good word?
Slade- what's , ahh never mind there..
I miss SOTI's info...
Sounds smart.
Sounds smart.
Exactly. No need to over complicate this.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
Need both of their second round picks
Basically if you wanted RB at #2 it would be like trading Barkley for Derrius Guice, Hernandez (who I love!), and say James Washington another player I love... Plus most likely high picks next year from a team with no QB basically. Could be back in the top 5 of each round. In the mean time Guice, Hernandez would start and Washington would probably be at least 4th WR.
You could also trade back to 12th picking up 23rd, 2nd, next years 1st, and 2nd. Then trade up into the top 10 if you wanted keeping most of the trade back. To me though there is easily 12 good players I would be happy with. 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 2 OL, 3 DBs, 2 DL, 2 LBs.
Saying that I don't think this happens.
Guys who will be gone
QB Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen
RB Barkley
OL Nelson
LB Edmunds
DB Fitzpatrick
DL Chubb
Maybe available
LB Smith, DE Davenport
Likely still available
OT McGlinchey
OT Williams
CB Ward
NT Vea
S James
LB Evans
CB Alexander
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
DaddyM89 has posted here for years and has never been an attention seeker that would be looking to make up asshat info.
I don't know if it'll go down (I really hope it doesn't) but I trust that he does truly have someone telling him it will. Could be someone from Miami that's a player on the teams, considering IIRC that was his school (I always remember people who are my age posting on BBI from like 10 years ago. Remember Dubs?)
I don't think this will happen. I hope not.
Sounds smart.
The argument about 2nd tier players etc is all tied with QB's being available at #2 or Barkley etc.. But, what if the Giants don't want a QB or Barkley at #2? If they truly wnat to win now, then immediate starters and major contributors is needed with our picks...
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
Guys who will be gone
QB Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen
RB Barkley
OL Nelson
LB Edmunds
DB Fitzpatrick
DL Chubb
Maybe available
LB Smith, DE Davenport
Likely still available
OT McGlinchey
OT Williams
CB Ward
NT Vea
S James
LB Evans
CB Alexander
Still some very good players available at 12. Hernandez or Guice in the 20's makes a lot of sense also.
I don't think this will happen. I hope not.
Don't be so sure about that. I suspect this draft is far more fluid than people think. Chubb to me is a very blah player. Overrated. OT's will slide some- MM, OB, CW will all go lower than first thought. Nelson will be top 10 for sure but so many other spots open. The Giants can't fill multiple needs with 5 picks and FA.
This makes a ton of sense.
...we stay at #2.
Unless, of course, DG wants to double down on his Nate Solder signing thus mortgaging our future even further.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
Gettleman learned his craft under Ernie Accorsi. The Maras have been and continue to be a conservative organization. Trading up yes, trading down no.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
...we stay at #2.
Unless, of course, DG wants to double down on his Nate Solder signing thus mortgaging our future even further.
Or they like Webb enough and feel he can replace ei in a couple of yeara...
Also possible they don't feel comfortable with any of the qbs in this draft and are looking to get as many picks as they can for 2...
If they take a qb at 2 and it doesn't hit it will set the team back, if you are not comfortable do not take a qb
That did cross my mind. I hope not.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
"case" not guess.
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
An exception that won't happen often.
Its only been 40 minutes. Maybe he got some lunch and then took a massive dump.
It is.
If you make a trade its got to be same day and you make the Bills sweat it out, so you get the best offer you can.
Much homework if you like the projected players available at those picks?
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It is.
That's a confident answer. What makes you say that.
Agreed...the hit and run is right out of the Slade playbook. Maybe Daddy will follow up with some additional info.
Who would you pick at #2 if your pick is gone?
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It is.
Why would the Bills want Odell? Who would throw him the ball?
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It is.
That's a confident answer. What makes you say that.
I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
2. Did any asshats have the 2004 draft day trade correct?
Thanks?
2. Did any asshats have the 2004 draft day trade correct?
Thanks?
Yes, gloveone predicted the Eli Manning trade in 2004 down to exact details of what Eli would and would not do on stage when picked by the Chargers.
Few and far between, though.
2. Did any asshats have the 2004 draft day trade correct?
Thanks?
There have been several. Back then it was the original gloveone who called it. Current members with inside info are Hitdog and JonC. They occasionally leaves hints inside threads.
I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
LOL, Gay Instagram has all the deets
And no, I haven't seen her peeing on the furniture yet.
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I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
LOL, Gay Instagram has all the deets
What's Aaron Rodgers up to?
I'm sure he didn't make it up, just people questioning the validity of his source (unless it is gay insta)
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
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I have a cousin who works for Gay Instagram(that's not the actual name, whatever one they use) and it's all over that apparently. They're already telling him where to look for condos, shopping, best clubs, where he can get his cakes baked, ect.
LOL, Gay Instagram has all the deets
What's Aaron Rodgers up to?
Something about hiring a lesbian chauffeur.
They don’t like any of the other prospects either? 12 is a big drop.
Well said plus we all know how things are this time of year. I for one like hearing this kind of thing whether it works out or not
That is a mock draft from 2 days ago
if true before even seeing what the browns did the Bills would in theory have to blow the giants out of the water with a trade. So a trade early would have to benefit us in a big way IMO. Why else rush into a deal before the draft unless you are getting a kings ransom
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
I agree with this.
It would seem like a player(s) from Buffalo would have to be involved (who would we want?) and / or it would be a multi-team deal.
For Gettleman to pull the trigger on a trade 6 weeks before the draft, it would have to be “beyond a king’s ransom” (think Herschel Walker / Ricky Williams type trade).
Is that the one labeled "mock"? That's what I see when I go to the page.
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We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
I agree with this.
When would you like him to post a draft pick trade?? The bye week?
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if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
Is that the one labeled "mock"? That's what I see when I go to the page.
That's all I saw as well. It doesn't look current either. It has the Giants needing to trade up to 16 (meaning they didn't account for the COrdy Glenn trade). So yeah. This is a BBI exclusive.
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if you go to CBSSports.com and click on the NFL Draft page, CBS has an article on this Bills-Giants trade - not that it's confirmed but that CBS thinks it's going to happen.
Is that the one labeled "mock"? That's what I see when I go to the page.
Me too. I just see mock draft with Giants Bills trade
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"18 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:
How about a summary of the last 27 pages, what's actually going on?
- Vinny Dias on Twitter posted [yesterday] about a HUGE TRADE BREWING. Some comments linked it to Buffalo. Neither Vinny nor the commentators have any evidence of credibility.
- Got more fuel by cryptic Tweets by Tim Graham [Bills beat] and some other legit NFL sources...none of which directly linked Buffalo other than the Tim Graham connection. And now there seems to be more steam and Buffalo rumors in more legit circles coming out on twitter
Its pretty reasonable to think there is a potential big trade with the Bills trading into the top 4 of the draft as its been widely reported that Beane is trying to do just that from credible sources (and pretty obvious since we dont have a QB and didnt sign one either). So this all could be some tweets where people think its coming just off that basis and are trying to act like they knew something ahead of time. Or there might really be something to it and its a bigger trade than just a trade up (which would still be a big trade if its just another trade up).
At this point, take everything with a grain of salt and just enjoy the fact that everyones boring Wed has a little more intrigue. Personally, I do think something is coming based on real NFL insiders kind of alluding to it, but all I expect is that its Beane leveraging our newly acquired #12th pick to get into the top 5 of the draft as he is clearly going after a QB given we dont have one."
The reason this poster says "all I expect" is that there is even more wild speculation from Bills' fans about trades for Luck, Newton (among others).
With his track record, probably means the Giants-Bills are discussing things and the Browns/Colts aren't interested!
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Not a chance unless we are talking 2019 1st round pick. We need future ammo ourselves just in case Webb doesn't work out.
Otherwise just stay put and take your guy.
Ouch, Incarcerated Bob has failed so many times with rumor Knicks trades, but that being said, it makes since for the Browns 4th pick to be in play with the Bills conditional perhaps on Barkley not being there on Draft Day.
They traded their QB.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
I logged on to post almost this exactly. I've seen this guy post for years and he's never been involved in any BS. He really may have heard something, and its very possible it doesn't come true. No reason to kill him.
They traded their QB.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
The Bills traded the QB they benched for the QB who threw five picks.
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They traded their QB.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
The Bills traded the QB they benched for the QB who threw five picks.
Another words, they are desperate to draft a QB.
Only if it includes the saints 1st rounder.
Agreed, that part makes no sense. I guess by this evening we'll know if this Asshat info was worth anything.
They traded their QB.
Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.
Craig Whelihan. I win.
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
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Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
You don't force a pick this year just because you don't like the crop at the position next year. If you take a QB at 2, it better be because you think he has perennial all-pro talent.
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Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
OMG, settle the fuck down... All of this talk about a QB at # 2 as if it is a lock he will succeed. If we have no offensive line your QB will get fucking killed. Please with all this BS like Marino is coming out in the draft.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
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To me any trade that doesn't include the 2019 first rounder doesn't make sense. They need a franchise QB but we need one soon as well. I'm fine with kicking the can (for a price), but that price is that we need to be positioned in 2019 to actually get that franchise QB.
The scenario is that Buffalo takes that franchise QB (probably Josh Allen), and he starts, likely early...Nathan Peterman is the only current QB on their roster. They already missed out on Sam Bradford and Case Keenum, and even if they were interested in Bridgewater he's going to the Jets. So it's highly likely the Bills are going to not win a lot of games next year...you're going to want that pick, which could be in the top 3 or 5 picks.
Any deal has to include that 2019 first rounder, which I think is THE most important pick in the deal. If it were me I'd say your two firsts this year, one 2nd rounder this year, and next year's first. That's the deal.
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Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
You don't force a pick this year just because you don't like the crop at the position next year. If you take a QB at 2, it better be because you think he has perennial all-pro talent.
You get paid to get it right....To draft best player and have resources to trade down to get your needs met at different pick slot.
To not be able to trade up and down consistently is a serious handicap.
Ryan Lindley I think was his name.
So, so bad. There were times where I honestly felt I could have jumped onto the field and been more accurate than he was.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Like it or not, there is such a thing as positional value. Kareem Hunt and Kamara went in the 3rd round last year, for example. You simply do not need to draft a guy like Barkley at 2, I don't care what his skill set is, because you can get a reasonable facsimile of the guy later on. He may not be Barkley exactly, but I'd rather come out of the draft with Rosen, Hernandez, and Penny than Barkley, Hernandez, and some other third round pick.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Teams reach for QBs all the time due to positional scarcity and importance. You could argue "franchise" QBs aren't even pro-bowlers, let alone all-pros as just about any average QB is going to get paid when their contract is up (see Cousins, Smith, etc).
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We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
I agree with this.
When would you like him to post a draft pick trade?? The bye week?
I think that was over your head but given what others have said about OP, I'll retract. I was skeptical because I don't think anything would happen before draft day in any trade not involving the #1 overall pick. It isn't unprecedented, though. Chargers made a pre-draft trade in 1998 to move up to #2 and was willing to take whoever the Colts didn't want out of Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, and we all know the rest of that story. I highly, highly doubt that Buffalo would complete a trade with anyone but the Browns or Giants prior to draft day, though. If they trade with the Giants prior to draft day, it probably means that they have two quarterbacks that they like and are good with whoever is there at #2.
But seems like OP is a good poster so he probably does deserve more leeway.
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at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Teams reach for QBs all the time due to positional scarcity and importance. You could argue "franchise" QBs aren't even pro-bowlers, let alone all-pros as just about any average QB is going to get paid when their contract is up (see Cousins, Smith, etc).
Perhaps, but "Reach" is a media/talking head and fan term.
No "football person" drafts a player at #2 overall, at any position, that they don't think will be a perennial all-pro.
Period.
you will never convince me otherwise, that a team picks a player at #2 overall and thinks "we think this guy can be average for us and we need a QB"
that's maybe how fans view it or Mel Kiper views it, it's not how the people making the pick view it.
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Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.
Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.
Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
What was Rosen considered after his 2016 season? Now to some he's the next Peyton Manning. He played 6 games in 2016 and was a 59.3% passer.
A lot can change in 1 year, especially with young QBs that are still developing and growing as players. Ryan Finley is a guy to watch next year. Out of NC State. 65% passer in 2017 and a 17-6 TDs to INTs. I like him and think he's going to be even better in 2018.
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at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Like it or not, there is such a thing as positional value. Kareem Hunt and Kamara went in the 3rd round last year, for example. You simply do not need to draft a guy like Barkley at 2, I don't care what his skill set is, because you can get a reasonable facsimile of the guy later on. He may not be Barkley exactly, but I'd rather come out of the draft with Rosen, Hernandez, and Penny than Barkley, Hernandez, and some other third round pick.
I agree, and I said nothing to the contrary. I was not advocating for any specific position at #2 over another, only that whoever the GM drafts at #2 overall they have an expectation the player will excel in the NFL ("become a perennial all-pro").
that is the only comment I was making.
Here's a blast from the past - Stan Gelbaugh, proud possessor of a 1-11 record as an NFL starter. 10 TDs/22 INTs. Kelly Stouffer was actually the sixth overall pick in the 1987 draft, was 5-11 as starter, 7 TDs/16 INTs.
Rick Mirer wasn't quite as bad as the guys we've been talking about, but what is amazing is how many games he managed to start despite being awful.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
And Lindley only started I think because of injury but that year but the Cardinals had a litany of shitty QB's. Lindley, Skelton (Skelton or Shelton?), Kolb and more.
The Bills benched Tyrod Taylor for this clown.
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at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
What are you talking about? Did you read my post?
All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.
Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
Giants spend all day drafting, Bills get #2 overall.
We all collectively explode....
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at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
What are you talking about? Did you read my post?
All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.
Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
Well, clearly I didn't read it closely and jumped to typing.... Reduces self 3 steps in rank.
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at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.
I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.
only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.
The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...
I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
What are you talking about? Did you read my post?
All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.
Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
Well, clearly I didn't read it closely and jumped to typing.... Reduces self 3 steps in rank.
LOL
At 12 you have a shot at Derwin James, Denzel Ward, Roquan Smith (I think Smith won't get past the Raiders at 10, though) or Mike McGlinchey (I still would have no problem drafting him even with the addition of Solder).
Come back at 22 and the guy I'm circling his name big time is Isaiah Wynn or perhaps a CB if I didn't get one at 12 like Carlton Davis.
Then at the top of round 2 at 34 overall I like Billy Price, maybe James Daniels. Marcus Davenport could be there, even. If I haven't grabbed a corner yet Jaire Alexander could be in play.
Then at #53 overall, which would be one of Buffalo's 2nd rounders, I want Rashaad Penny or Nick Chubb. If I didn't get a C earlier I like Frank Ragnow an awful lot, he can also play Guard. Braden Smith, great OG out of Auburn, also a strong choice. Consolation prizes would be Sam Hubbard, Lorenzo Carter, or Derek Nnadi, who to me would be a great interior pass rusher, can be a pass-rushing nose on passing downs to spell Harrison, and/or can play on the end in a 3-4.
Then at the top of round 3 I really like Armani Watts at FS. I think Bettcher would love this guy. If I miss on him Equanimeous St. Brown, but a guy I really like and don't want to gamble on waiting to round 4 is Tre'Quan Smith, WR out of UCF. He's one of my big value picks in this draft. Perhaps Tyrell Crosby or Kolton Miller slips here although I don't think so.
Then you still are going to have two first rounders next year, with high potential that one or both of them will be high first round picks, but now you have an influx of talent so if you can grab your franchise QB next year, he already has a rebuilt O-line and some young talent entering their 2nd year to work with. That would be 5 picks inside of the top 66 overall picks of the draft, and you hope you have 5 good players to add to your team before you even get to the 4th round.
Giants spend all day drafting, Bills get #2 overall.
We all collectively explode....
That was very funny. Well done...
ahhh, you....
Trying to push Flowers on another team in a trade is sure to be a deal killer though.
...the cost was substantial, listed here in chronological order
...#8 overall
2016 3rd rounder(#77 overall)
2016 4th rounder(#100 overall)
2017 1st rounder
2017 4th rounder
2018 2nd rounder
To entice us to move to #12 it would take a ridiculous haul of picks and or players.
He's like Katy Perry without the past success.
True - it's like Costanza's ability to detect a lie.
that's what I was saying.
I now believe it is happening
This gives the Asshat info some credibility now....
** IF it’s legit **
Keep breaking the news!
I understand with Asshat info it can either make or break a persons reputation (Hi Slade.) If it's wrong I will 100% man up and take my online beatings. I am standing by what I was told, and wanted to pass it along to BBI since I appreciate the community and all the breaking news so much. I personally am hoping it's wrong because I'm in the franchise QB or Barkley camp. But we should have some clarity about it soon.
Its just odd timing because what is the incentive for the Giants unless the Bills just blew them away with any offer they couldn't refuse and the giants wanted to start scouting players in the middle of the 1st round which they might not have been doing as heavily before?
I get it from the bills prospective...lock the #2 pick so you know you are at least getting one of the top 2 QB's...but for the Giants to do it there would have to be a ridiculous amount of value coming whether its picks/players.
Fuck...
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
I want Barkley at 2, but I think we may benefit more with a draft haul as long as we actually start making good draft picks.
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
That k you for passing along much appreciated
I hope the deal is not made, Giants should not pass up the chance to take a QB, unless the new coach likes a guy that they can get later like Mason Rudolph.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or he can look very smart by rebuilding the depth and if Davis Webb can become the future
My wife actually bought a Kerwin Bell Jersey. She liked the dayglow green of the Orlando Thunder.
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
def sounds plausible (I would hope to scratch out both there seconds along with both 1sts and there 2019 1st. I would want to obliterate the trade value chart because it would be for a QB.
But from the looks of it Mara/Gettleman want to compete and these FA moves seems to align with giving Eli another year or two run at this. So from that prospective a trade down acquiring a trove of picks would make sense to help address a lot of our issues. I personally wouldn't do it. But the direction from the owner/GM point that would align with what they seem to be wanting to do.
Let us take this rumor and call it fact for sake of argument.. buffalo is offering both 1st round picks, a 2nd, a 4th AND 2019 1st for our 2nd overall pick.
do you take it?
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
If that's the return, I almost think you HAVE to do it. Especially if you aren't sold on the QBs. No way an RB prospect is worth giving up those picks either.
- The Giants are not impressed with the QB crop to draft that high
- They don't want to pick a RB (Barkley) that high
- They realize they have lots of holes to fill and will spread the picks rather than hoping to hit a home run with #2
- The Giants are worried the Bills would make a similar deal with the Colts or Browns and wanted to strike before they move on.
If the deal doesn't include their next year #1, the Giants should hang up the phone.
2nd this year
1st and 2nd next year
Something mind blowing
Plus you still have two first rounders next year where I don't think BIllls will be that great with a rookie QB and an aging McCoy at RB.
Plus you still have two first rounders next year where I don't think BIllls will be that great with a rookie QB and an aging McCoy at RB.
100% agree. Its just too much value to pass up IMO. Downside is our ceiling is low this year (6-7 wins tops)
always happy to be surprised though....
always happy to be surprised though....
Anything you have heard on other things?
always happy to be surprised though....
Let’s hope it stays like that
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
No thanks. If you trade down for a haul, maximize and use all the picks.
I understand with Asshat info it can either make or break a persons reputation (Hi Slade.) If it's wrong I will 100% man up and take my online beatings. I am standing by what I was told, and wanted to pass it along to BBI since I appreciate the community and all the breaking news so much. I personally am hoping it's wrong because I'm in the franchise QB or Barkley camp. But we should have some clarity about it soon.
I am all for it. Please share whatever you hear.
makes for fun discussion and entertainment, that is the main reason we are all here, right?
2 first rounders this year, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 2019 first rounder,
Thanks for the information. I'd still prefer not to drop to #12. Too much of a trade down. But that would be fair compensation.
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sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
And you know what the difference is? The Cowboys already had Aikman. They could afford to make that move and accumulate assets. If we already had a young franchise QB, I'd be in full favor of moving down and getting whatever we could for our pick.
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
But hey, 250 comments and counting.
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I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
But hey, 250 comments and counting.
You are an idiot
Are you actually serious? Please get off your soapbox here. BBI did not "ruin" any great NYG draft strategy in 2016. The leaks were elsewhere, and ended up here as well. But you can believe what you want. Just stop preaching. Trynig to scare away info and discussion is NOT the point of the message board, Quite the contrary.
In comment 13865866 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
But hey, 250 comments and counting.
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I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
But hey, 250 comments and counting.
Ummm, NO....
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
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I didnt see Joe Schmo at blank agency said this. BBI has been a great source of Giants as well as other info for me over the better part of two decades. Wanted to share the info I got. But thanks for your concern.
Let's just say hypothetically you got accurate info.
Posting it publicly on the internet threatens the deal between the two teams. Leaks like that on the internet and in the media literally burned The Org in 2016 draft.
Did your source give you permission to share this info? I'm guessing no. Maybe BBI has been good to you, but you aren't being a good friend to your source by sharing something almost certainly told in confidence.
But hey, 250 comments and counting.
What the fuck is going on.
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Both of their 1st round (12 and 22)
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
No thanks. If you trade down for a haul, maximize and use all the picks.
I disagree sammo. If we move down to 12...and then Nelson says slips past the jets @ 6...and you call the Bucs and offer #12 and #56 (acquired from the bills) to move up to #7 to pick nelson.
Then still have #22, #53, #121, and a there 2019 1st while still all our picks and acquiring nelson....that would fill a lot of issues and still get the lineman we coveted if thats our plan
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In comment 13865674 DaddyM89 said:
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
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sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
And you know what the difference is? The Cowboys already had Aikman. They could afford to make that move and accumulate assets. If we already had a young franchise QB, I'd be in full favor of moving down and getting whatever we could for our pick.
OMG, those two things are not related. The Boys selected Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft too. So they have 2 1sr RD QB's..
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sources get things wrong. Don’t worry if it turns out not happening M89.
If they do this trade Gettleman will look foolish in the years to come. It’s like a kicking an extremely large bucket down the road.
Or it will be genius. Cowboys trade of Herschel Walker netted them Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland (eventually, trading picks they received from Minnesota to maneuver). When you think about what 4 picks, 3 in the first two rounds, adding to our existing picks, and a 1st rounder next year, could potentially do...is set up the franchise for sustained success. Particularly if Buffalo's 2019 first rounder is parlayed into a franchise QB.
Everyone points to Dallas the example. Do you have a more recent example? Say in the last 30 years?
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
In comment 13865930 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
Eric is about as well connected as a 56k modem. Glad he had time to field a call from "Gentleman" though.
Out of curiosity, if you told your "trusted" source that you shared his info on BBI, how would he respond? Tell the truth.
In comment 13865930 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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In comment 13865899 2cents said:
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the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
LimerickGuy just reported that the Earth is indeed flat, you believe him right?
Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
Go ahead and take a look at the QBs available for next year's draft. You'll come running back here pleading the Giants to stay put and draft a QB this year at #2.
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Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
Thought exercise. League wide. Where do you think rumors start?
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If the Browns draft Barkley, we trade with Bills. We get several picks to build this team and draft a QB next year or replace Eli in free agency in 3-4 years. If not, we draft Barkley. That simple. We cannot pass on Barkley at number 2.
Go ahead and take a look at the QBs available for next year's draft. You'll come running back here pleading the Giants to stay put and draft a QB this year at #2.
I don't know as much as the next guy what the giants feel internally about Webb but you seem to be writing him off pretty easily if the Giants like him enough to give him a go to replace Eli then we wouldn't at least have to worry about addressing QB until Eli retires and Webb proves he can't do it...its risky but we aren't there to know if Webb has the goods or not...its not like he was some undrafted FA he was a 3rd round pick.
Stopping being an asshole. If you don't like the OP and the post, go elsewhere. The OP being right or wrong is almost irrelevant (being he's not Slade), it the discussions and banter about the Giants, not your feelings on information dissemination, that we are here for.
But we all appreciate your concern.
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Holy Shit. Give it up and go away.
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the thought of Ozzie Newsome scrolling through this page made me giggle. or imagine some low level scout going up to a gm "hey boss, DaddyM89 says the bills and giants are making a move.. "
Members of The Org read this site.
They are aware of posters like hitdog42, who have been sharing accurate info, probably gleaned through an agent.
All the beats read this site.
Jordan Ranaan posts on this site.
Bryan Kehl has posted on this site.
A poster here had accurate inside info on the BENGALS 1st round pick (John Ross) hours prior to last year's draft.
THRILL should not have to explain the avalanche effect of rumors on the internet. I know it's exciting because you guys are bored at work and will literally believe anything with the term "asshat" attached to it.
Bottom line, DaddyM is either a) making it all up, or b) being a shitty friend and betraying the confidence of someone he "trusts"
If you personally learned a secret from a trustworthy friend, would you immediately go share it on a message board? WHAT
LimerickGuy just reported that the Earth is indeed flat, you believe him right?
They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.
Umm... remind us again, when was it that the Bills completed a first round trade to obtain the 12th pick of this draft?
I’m not saying this trade rumor is valid. But your argument is demonstrably false.
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
This will be a good point to look at as far as value. I know people don't necessarily go by the draft value chart, but for the sake of argument (since NFL teams have used it), let's look at the value.
The #2 pick in the draft is worth 2600 points
Per the grouping above-
#12- 1200
#22- 780
#53- 370
#56- 340
Total - 2690 points.
And that doesn't include the value of the 1st round pick next year for the Bills. Where if they win the Super Bowl and pick #32- 590 points.
So 3,280 points (assuming Bills win Super Bowl) to give up 2600 points.
Pure value, looking at the numbers, the Giants don't want a fair deal, they want a deal they will win. If that offer is on the table, based on the numbers, the Giants should do it.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
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Both of their 1st round (12 and 22)
Both of their 2nd round (53 and 56)
Fourth 4rd (121)
2019 1st
If we got that we could use one of the second round picks to jump back into the top 10 if we wanted to.
This will be a good point to look at as far as value. I know people don't necessarily go by the draft value chart, but for the sake of argument (since NFL teams have used it), let's look at the value.
The #2 pick in the draft is worth 2600 points
Per the grouping above-
#12- 1200
#22- 780
#53- 370
#56- 340
Total - 2690 points.
And that doesn't include the value of the 1st round pick next year for the Bills. Where if they win the Super Bowl and pick #32- 590 points.
So 3,280 points (assuming Bills win Super Bowl) to give up 2600 points.
Pure value, looking at the numbers, the Giants don't want a fair deal, they want a deal they will win. If that offer is on the table, based on the numbers, the Giants should do it.
Missed the 4th- which is an extra 52 points.
Odds are the Giants would have to send something back, like their own 4th or whatever. A 4th won't make or break it either way.
Stopping being an asshole. If you don't like the OP and the post, go elsewhere. The OP being right or wrong is almost irrelevant (being he's not Slade), it the discussions and banter about the Giants, not your feelings on information dissemination, that we are here for.
Listen kiddo.
The Thrill Ride has been posting on this site for 34 years. And lurking for 10 minutes prior to that.
This same cycle happens every offseason. Gloved one. Slade. Coach Justy. LimerickGuy. Its a master class in hucksterism. I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook and by gummit it put them on the map!
These guys. The insider info. Either they are a) making it up (almost always), or b) betraying a source
Sooooo YUP, sorry DaddyM. Thrillson Phillips is calling you out on either purposefully sharing false bs and/or needlessly violating the confidence of a friend. The Thrill appreciates how you copied page 1 of LimerickGuy's textbook with the whole "if I'm wrong, I'll be a man and admit it." Wow, such integrity. So much integrity. "Here is sensitive information that I'm sharing without permission, if it's bs I'll cop to it ...because I AM A MAN."
Latimer - you might be a reasonable bro, bro. Do you think DaddyM's source would approve of this thread?
And yes, rumors often start on message boards (or some corner of the internet) and fester into twitter and climb the latter of visibility. The internet is not a sacred or hidden palace.
Now what do you think.
RAHHHHHHHH
So in conlusion, Mono means one and rail means rail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7viXiEXIStA
but certainly helps knowing your a comedian... that way i dont have to take you seriously hahaha
But about that false rumor on BBI that made its way into the news cycle ... please tell. I'm interested in hearing this story. Never heard that.
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7viXiEXIStA
but certainly helps knowing your a comedian... that way i dont have to take you seriously hahaha
Alumni Baseball Game is the best one. Got that, frat house joy boy?
I also don't care if you have been posting since Al Gore created the internet. You sound like an ass. Your posts add no value, and it is compounded by your moronic use of the English language. We understand how SOME internet rumors start. We get your point. If you don't like the thread, leave it. That's my point.
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My point has nothing to do with belief or disbelief. It is about discussion and conversation on all things Giants. Can you 100% disprove him, or do you just enjoy responding in absurd prose and trying to put down a poster that thought he had info the rest of us might enjoy discussing?
Stopping being an asshole. If you don't like the OP and the post, go elsewhere. The OP being right or wrong is almost irrelevant (being he's not Slade), it the discussions and banter about the Giants, not your feelings on information dissemination, that we are here for.
Listen kiddo.
The Thrill Ride has been posting on this site for 34 years. And lurking for 10 minutes prior to that.
This same cycle happens every offseason. Gloved one. Slade. Coach Justy. LimerickGuy. Its a master class in hucksterism. I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook and by gummit it put them on the map!
These guys. The insider info. Either they are a) making it up (almost always), or b) betraying a source
Sooooo YUP, sorry DaddyM. Thrillson Phillips is calling you out on either purposefully sharing false bs and/or needlessly violating the confidence of a friend. The Thrill appreciates how you copied page 1 of LimerickGuy's textbook with the whole "if I'm wrong, I'll be a man and admit it." Wow, such integrity. So much integrity. "Here is sensitive information that I'm sharing without permission, if it's bs I'll cop to it ...because I AM A MAN."
Latimer - you might be a reasonable bro, bro. Do you think DaddyM's source would approve of this thread?
And yes, rumors often start on message boards (or some corner of the internet) and fester into twitter and climb the latter of visibility. The internet is not a sacred or hidden palace.
But about that false rumor on BBI that made its way into the news cycle ... please tell. I'm interested in hearing this story. Never heard that.
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
Not asking to out anyone but is there any legs to this?
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Ohh, a Milton double feature - trade Flowers AND get Rosen! Why not make it a five team trade which also results in the Yankees getting Gerrit Cole so you can get all of your obsessions into one post?
I also don't care if you have been posting since Al Gore created the internet. You sound like an ass. Your posts add no value, and it is compounded by your moronic use of the English language. We understand how SOME internet rumors start. We get your point. If you don't like the thread, leave it. That's my point
Moronic? Please explain. Thrill Allen/Peterson always accepts notes.
And I love this thread. I thought you and I were becoming bro's, bro. You accepted my eccentric verbosity, I forgave you for being 160 lbs of skinny fat loser. Bro's.
JUST SAYIN.
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It's a three-team trade in which the Bills get the #2 pick and Ereck Flowers, the Giants get the #3 pick and #53 overall and the Colts get a ton of picks from the Bills.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Ohh, a Milton double feature - trade Flowers AND get Rosen! Why not make it a five team trade which also results in the Yankees getting Gerrit Cole so you can get all of your obsessions into one post?
That is ridiculous ... we would have to add more to that deal to Cole on the Yankees.
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Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
And to prop up the theory of BBI's influence, we have none other than Bryan Kehl. A guy that other than manic Giants fans have no idea who he is. The guy is peddling insurance and his own policyholders don't even know who he is. It's as if he the Lord of the BBI.
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Appreciate you saying I'm a good guy and ethical. I do pop in here once in a while. Things like this Bills rumor crosses my radar. I undoubtedly looked into it. Don't want to get caught sleeping if it's true.
But about that false rumor on BBI that made its way into the news cycle ... please tell. I'm interested in hearing this story. Never heard that.
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As Sonic Youth mentioned I did attend University of Miami, interned and worked for the football team under Al Golden. Still friendly and keep in touch with some current and former NFL players including Sean Spence, Senatrell Henderson among others. Also have a friend who is a low level NFL agent but is very connected with the inner goings of the league. That's about all I can say without giving away my source. Just wanted to provide a little more clarity.
Daddy o
THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE BRO.
Here's a question. If you want to protect your source, why share this allegedly sensitive info on an internet message board? Why do it??
You are betraying the confidence of somebody close to you. In order to...stir up discussion on a message board? Look like an insider for an audience of anonymous posters?
True or not, if you ever find yourself in possession of "insider info," Thrill Ride begs you to keep it private. Both for the sake of your relationship with source and also The Org's dealings.
Leaks a couple seasons ago caused us to get jumped for Jack Conklin and wind up with Eli Apple.
the thought that a GM of some other team is going to use this post to formulate some sort of draft strategy is both ludicrous and laughable
SONIC YOUT
THRILL loves your style, Broseph Gordon-Levitt.
That's amazing that you used two adjectives, ludicrous and laughable, to describe one statement. And both those words start with the letter "L". Oh my stars, what a wordsmith!
Try to follow Thrilly Bob Thornton on this very simple journey:
-Beat writers read message boards (they do_
-They contact their sources to chase leads
-Smoke
-Fire
-The alleged insider info surfaces on Twitter
You might believe it is laughable, ludicrous, leviticus, litigious, linsane but the internet is a powerful machine.
jordan raanan must love all those juicy tid-bits Slade has been dropping him. no wonder the giants are such a mess..
Jordan is a great guy and an ethical writer. He might remember when someone on BBI posted a false rumor deliberately "just to see if it would enter the news cycle" ... and it did!!
One of the newspapers picked it up and the poster later confessed to the chicanery. Bad journalism is obviously a factor in the proliferation of leaks .
Not asking to out anyone but is there any legs to this?
Jordan doesnt seem to think so.
Thrill is kinda fun
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Some of you guys need to get a little better at reading between the lines before you see red and start throwing insults at posters.
JUST SAYIN.
No one specifically. Just an observation. :)
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I don't really care what Daddy's source thinks. That's between them.
I also don't care if you have been posting since Al Gore created the internet. You sound like an ass. Your posts add no value, and it is compounded by your moronic use of the English language. We understand how SOME internet rumors start. We get your point. If you don't like the thread, leave it. That's my point
Moronic? Please explain. Thrill Allen/Peterson always accepts notes.
And I love this thread. I thought you and I were becoming bro's, bro. You accepted my eccentric verbosity, I forgave you for being 160 lbs of skinny fat loser. Bro's.
Thrill is kinda fun
That was my assumption as well.
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Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
And to prop up the theory of BBI's influence, we have none other than Bryan Kehl. A guy that other than manic Giants fans have no idea who he is. The guy is peddling insurance and his own policyholders don't even know who he is. It's as if he the Lord of the BBI.
Kehl Day, as it's known in BBI's inner circle, was absolutely remarkable.
He shared some good tidbits! And was also pretty salty. I enjoyed the part about Coughlin hating him because he once wore a pink shirt.
Sorry to derail any real discussion.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
Joey, your latter vs ladder line was the funniest thing Thrillhouse has read in ages. And I've read books.
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Fuck no! I'm learning all about the massive power BBI has over the NFL, don't you fucking ruin this for me!
And to prop up the theory of BBI's influence, we have none other than Bryan Kehl. A guy that other than manic Giants fans have no idea who he is. The guy is peddling insurance and his own policyholders don't even know who he is. It's as if he the Lord of the BBI.
Kehl Day, as it's known in BBI's inner circle, was absolutely remarkable.
He shared some good tidbits! And was also pretty salty. I enjoyed the part about Coughlin hating him because he once wore a pink shirt.
I was here. But I wouldn't rely on Kehl supporting a theory of BBI's influence.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
Hope this adds to the thread.
His prose is obviously entertaining, but from what I can tell he actually knows his football stuff. At least to a higher degree than many.
Not even close.
(1) Unless DaddyM89 was specifically told not to say anything by his source, then he hasn't betrayed him or her by revealing the information here or anywhere else on the Internet. And if the source didn't want the information revealed, then he or she wouldn't have disclosed it to anyone.
(2) This proposed trade has been rumored for weeks, and is currently being discussed on bulletin boards all over the Internet, including those catering to Bills fans.
(3) Everybody knew we wanted Conklin or Floyd. That information was also all over the Internet. Discussing it on BBI had no impact on what happened on draft night.
Hats off to Thrill Ride for sticking around and duking it out...always enjoy your style. I miss being a frat boy douche, in some circles I'd be called that as an insult in the old days, and always took pride in it.
Growing up and being all adult is overrated
its very hard to sound loose and wacky while slicing with precision
Young and impatient we may be, there's no need to act foolishly - ( New Window )
Are you even the original Joe Football?
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen Barkley
The Browns take Barkley Nelson
The Broncos take Mayfield
its very hard to sound loose and wacky while slicing with precision
Agree- thrill is a must read- kind of knows his stuff- and is not generic at all
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is a huge Patriots fan so don't try to pass yourself off as the original unless you are claiming the Giants as your second favorite team.
Are you even the original Joe Football?
Good question? I'm guessing no
I got nothing done all day...it was fantastic
Not sure if this trade stuff is true but I have heard from many media sources that Buffalo has called everyone in the top 5 looking to deal. So the premise of this trade is feasible.
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but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
Hope this adds to the thread.
Ok I liked this.
It's been quite a day. Crazy, even by BBI standards. Which says a lot.
I understand with Asshat info it can either make or break a persons reputation (Hi Slade.) If it's wrong I will 100% man up and take my online beatings. I am standing by what I was told, and wanted to pass it along to BBI since I appreciate the community and all the breaking news so much. I personally am hoping it's wrong because I'm in the franchise QB or Barkley camp. But we should have some clarity about it soon.
Again thanks for sharing.
Welcome Back.
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It's a three-team trade in which the Bills get the #2 pick and Ereck Flowers, the Giants get the #3 pick and #53 overall and the Colts get a ton of picks from the Bills.
The Browns take Darnold
The Bills take Allen
The Giants take Rosen
The Browns take Barkley
The Broncos take Mayfield
Ohh, a Milton double feature - trade Flowers AND get Rosen! Why not make it a five team trade which also results in the Yankees getting Gerrit Cole so you can get all of your obsessions into one post?
That is ridiculous ... we would have to add more to that deal to Cole on the Yankees.
p.s.-- It's no coincidence that Houston is where Ted Williams's head and body have been cryogenically stored.
Gotta love it!
It could be that initial gestures from the Bills were made and it's being explored at this point. Nothing wrong with that and actually smart business on both parties
If the rumor is true or not the discussion on the possibilities of the trade were very interesting a plausible and may still be something we see. Maybe the giants have been reading this today and will decide to do the trade now :).
At 12 you have a shot at Derwin James, Denzel Ward, Roquan Smith (I think Smith won't get past the Raiders at 10, though) or Mike McGlinchey (I still would have no problem drafting him even with the addition of Solder).
Come back at 22 and the guy I'm circling his name big time is Isaiah Wynn or perhaps a CB if I didn't get one at 12 like Carlton Davis.
Then at the top of round 2 at 34 overall I like Billy Price, maybe James Daniels. Marcus Davenport could be there, even. If I haven't grabbed a corner yet Jaire Alexander could be in play.
Then at #53 overall, which would be one of Buffalo's 2nd rounders, I want Rashaad Penny or Nick Chubb. If I didn't get a C earlier I like Frank Ragnow an awful lot, he can also play Guard. Braden Smith, great OG out of Auburn, also a strong choice. Consolation prizes would be Sam Hubbard, Lorenzo Carter, or Derek Nnadi, who to me would be a great interior pass rusher, can be a pass-rushing nose on passing downs to spell Harrison, and/or can play on the end in a 3-4.
Then at the top of round 3 I really like Armani Watts at FS. I think Bettcher would love this guy. If I miss on him Equanimeous St. Brown, but a guy I really like and don't want to gamble on waiting to round 4 is Tre'Quan Smith, WR out of UCF. He's one of my big value picks in this draft. Perhaps Tyrell Crosby or Kolton Miller slips here although I don't think so.
Then you still are going to have two first rounders next year, with high potential that one or both of them will be high first round picks, but now you have an influx of talent so if you can grab your franchise QB next year, he already has a rebuilt O-line and some young talent entering their 2nd year to work with. That would be 5 picks inside of the top 66 overall picks of the draft, and you hope you have 5 good players to add to your team before you even get to the 4th round.
Excellent scenario
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Not even close.
I don't know Arc, it takes a special kind of cray-cray to post like this and we know Rocky has that in spades
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Not even close.
I don't know Arc, it takes a special kind of cray-cray to post like this and we know Rocky has that in spades
If he responds to my post and calls me Stanley, we'll know for sure.
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Not even close.
I don't know Arc, it takes a special kind of cray-cray to post like this and we know Rocky has that in spades
Rocky was not nearly as football smart as OMTR.
Don't be fooled by the schtick. He knows his shit.
Unless you get a stupid offer because someone gets desperate and nervous.
Now we get to figure out who you were... since Dave was gone long before 2016. :)
Montanagiant agress with you
In fact, Jimmy and misunderstanding... sorta clash.
If the rumor is true or not the discussion on the possibilities of the trade were very interesting a plausible and may still be something we see. Maybe the giants have been reading this today and will decide to do the trade now :).
haha... too funny... wtf are you doing playing on the internet at work anyway? lol
Thanks for the update.
Don't sweat it too much, most of us appreciate the info. We know you're not just being a troll.
No. 12 (1st, via CIN)
No. 22 (1st, via KC)
No. 53 (2nd)
No. 56 (2nd via LAR)
No. 65 (3rd, via CLE)
That would give the Giants 2 #1's, 3 #2's and 2 #3's..
That I would do.. and nothing less.. and would even push for a #1 or #2 next year...
Appreciate any info. Thanks for the hope. Look forward to you being right, or the update tomorrow
This thought crossed my mind as well.
Wow! :)
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but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
Hope this adds to the thread.
Sonic Youth is a band
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it's pretty clear Buffalo is going to try to move up, and I could see why they would want to go to 2 since they wouldn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Still believe if your source is right, that it might be agreed in prinicple now, but wouldn't be consumated until draft day
This thought crossed my mind as well.
+2.
For the #2 pick, to trade out of that spot, the Giants aren't looking for an even trade or a fair trade. That stuff can happen when swapping around 4th or 5th round picks.
For the #2 pick, any team will have to basically blow the doors off to get the Giants attention.
I don't doubt that teams are approaching the Giants about a trade. And it would make sense that the Bills will be talking to every team in the top 5 to get their QB, with the Giants being an obvious target.
However, while I think it would be strange for a team to execute a trade like this before the individual workouts are completed, when I looked back, the infamous RG III trade took place on March 12, 2012, just before the start of the league year.
So it wouldn't be out of the realm for a large similar trade (which is what this would be the equivalent) as the Redskins traded up to the #2 pick from the Rams, but they had #6 overall. The Bills have more work to do to make this happen.
I'm sure teams are asking, but I'd be surprised if any trades in the top 5 happen before draft day.
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In comment 13866081 NoGainDayne said:
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but i'd have much more respect if his writing style wasn't frat troll.
There is one thing that is being ignored in his list of options though. Things get leaked all the time before they happen or that will never happen. Not as simple as betraying a friend or non-story.
The writing staff prefers the term Frat Garbage in Iambic Pentameter
LarmarTRX and Daddy, the name "NoGainDayne" is a playful reference to a running back from the early 2000s named Ron Dayne. Despite being the 11th overall pick in 2000 (Thrill's 10th season on BBI), he often struggled to gain yardage (career ypc 3.8). According to Sonic Youth -- a name that refers to his knack for saying words out loud to himself before he clicks 'submit' - "Dayne" and "Gain" are two words that rhyme, thus completing the satirical circle.
Hope this adds to the thread.
Sonic Youth is a band
For the #2 pick, any team will have to basically blow the doors off to get the Giants attention.
Exactly. The drop from 2 to 12 is too steep to be made up by lower draft picks. I wouldn't go any lower than 6.
I'm sure teams are asking, but I'd be surprised if any trades in the top 5 happen before draft day.
Snyder may be a fool, but have to remember that Mike Holgren at the time was running the Browns and whined that he would have beaten the 'Skins offer if the Rams had given them the chance. Rams told teams to make their best offers; 'Skins offered more than the Browns; and the Rams stuck to the proposal and would not listen to Browns' increased bid. [I am also old enough to remember that there were a heck of a lot of personnel men and sports writers who took the position that Leaf was a better prospect than Manning based on his upside potential being far greater.]
Trade down for Jackson? How about no.
Why would any team trade the option of being blown away at a workout?
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So Daddy can throw it in the face of BBI if it comes true
It's already too late for it to be true.
One aspect may be wrong but the most important aspect is still viable which is the trade itself
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In comment 13868048 montanagiant said:
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So Daddy can throw it in the face of BBI if it comes true
It's already too late for it to be true.
One aspect may be wrong but the most important aspect is still viable which is the trade itself
At what point is it a prediction?
Right afterwards when someone claims luck was wisdom
Hope you are well
Hope you are well
p.s.--I don't think DaddyM's pulling anyone's leg and I think he truly believes he has (or had) a scoop, but in fairness to asshats past, present, and future, I think you only get credit if you deliver on your claim (and DaddyM's claim was that it would be announced in "a few hours"). Short of that it comes under the heading of educated guess (even if it was sincere).