for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Asshat Info: Bills and Giants about to make massive trade

DaddyM89 : 3/14/2018 12:59 pm
for #2 pick. Just got a text from someone I trust. Take it for what its worth. Should be breaking next few hours.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
RE: Well the Bills kind of did overplay their  
AcidTest : 3/14/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13865328 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
hand.

They traded their QB.

Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.


The Bills traded the QB they benched for the QB who threw five picks.
+1 This poster has never seemed like a jerkoff before.  
Heisenberg : 3/14/2018 2:33 pm : link
He deserves the benefit of the doubt. His information may be bad, but he's earned some leeway.
RE: RE: Well the Bills kind of did overplay their  
GFAN52 : 3/14/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13865352 AcidTest said:
Quote:
In comment 13865328 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


hand.

They traded their QB.

Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.



The Bills traded the QB they benched for the QB who threw five picks.


Another words, they are desperate to draft a QB.
I don't see how Beckham could be involved  
Go Terps : 3/14/2018 2:37 pm : link
We're going to trade Beckham and the #2 pick to Buffalo?
RE: I don't see how Beckham could be involved  
yankeeslover : 3/14/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13865370 Go Terps said:
Quote:
We're going to trade Beckham and the #2 pick to Buffalo?


Only if it includes the saints 1st rounder.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2018 2:40 pm : link
This is about BUF desperately needing a QB. Has nothing to do with Beckham... regardless of what's going on via "Gay Instagram"
Only reason the giants do it now  
nygiants16 : 3/14/2018 2:40 pm : link
Is if the bills are basically trading their entire draft and it is to good to pass up...
RE: I don't see how Beckham could be involved  
GFAN52 : 3/14/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13865370 Go Terps said:
Quote:
We're going to trade Beckham and the #2 pick to Buffalo?


Agreed, that part makes no sense. I guess by this evening we'll know if this Asshat info was worth anything.
RE: Well the Bills kind of did overplay their  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13865328 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
hand.

They traded their QB.

Right now their starter is Nathan Peterman. He might be the worst starting QB in the NFL I have ever seen. Worse than Curtis Painter, worse than Cody Pickett, worse than Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and anyone else you can name as worst NFL starter you have ever seen.


Craig Whelihan. I win.
RE: Don’t like it  
lax counsel : 3/14/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13865215 The_Boss said:
Quote:
Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.


Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.

Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.
Whelihan  
Go Terps : 3/14/2018 2:49 pm : link
That guy was awful. But he was Dan Fouts compared to Babe Laufenberg.
RE: RE: Don’t like it  
illmatic : 3/14/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13865400 lax counsel said:
Quote:
In comment 13865215 The_Boss said:


Quote:


Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.



Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.

Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.


You don't force a pick this year just because you don't like the crop at the position next year. If you take a QB at 2, it better be because you think he has perennial all-pro talent.
RE: RE: Don’t like it  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13865400 lax counsel said:
Quote:
In comment 13865215 The_Boss said:


Quote:


Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.



Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.

Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.


OMG, settle the fuck down... All of this talk about a QB at # 2 as if it is a lock he will succeed. If we have no offensive line your QB will get fucking killed. Please with all this BS like Marino is coming out in the draft.
Can’t kill OP either way  
Oscar : 3/14/2018 2:52 pm : link
Entertaining to have some asshat news from a possibly legit source even if nothing comes of it. Long way to go until the draft, you can only read so many “We should take Rosen” type posts before you go numb.
What other position would you take  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 2:52 pm : link
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.
The Giants are in position to draft either the top QB, RB, OL, DL,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2018 2:53 pm : link
LB, CB, or safety in the draft. To trade that far down and end up with none of those players would be simply foolish regardless of what the Bills give up.
RE: Trade  
allstarjim : 3/14/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13865287 Thegratefulhead said:
Quote:
I would do it for the Bills:
12 23
53 56
65

It would give us in the top 7 picks in the top 102.
12 23
34 53 56
66
102
That is the type of haul I would hope we get.


To me any trade that doesn't include the 2019 first rounder doesn't make sense. They need a franchise QB but we need one soon as well. I'm fine with kicking the can (for a price), but that price is that we need to be positioned in 2019 to actually get that franchise QB.

The scenario is that Buffalo takes that franchise QB (probably Josh Allen), and he starts, likely early...Nathan Peterman is the only current QB on their roster. They already missed out on Sam Bradford and Case Keenum, and even if they were interested in Bridgewater he's going to the Jets. So it's highly likely the Bills are going to not win a lot of games next year...you're going to want that pick, which could be in the top 3 or 5 picks.

Any deal has to include that 2019 first rounder, which I think is THE most important pick in the deal. If it were me I'd say your two firsts this year, one 2nd rounder this year, and next year's first. That's the deal.
I want  
CromartiesKid21 : 3/14/2018 2:54 pm : link
tre'davious white in the deal
RE: RE: RE: Don’t like it  
Gothamist : 3/14/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13865410 illmatic said:
Quote:
In comment 13865400 lax counsel said:


Quote:


In comment 13865215 The_Boss said:


Quote:


Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.



Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.

Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.



You don't force a pick this year just because you don't like the crop at the position next year. If you take a QB at 2, it better be because you think he has perennial all-pro talent.



You get paid to get it right....To draft best player and have resources to trade down to get your needs met at different pick slot.

To not be able to trade up and down consistently is a serious handicap.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2018 2:56 pm : link
Whoever that guy who was playing QB briefly for ARZ a few years ago was up there with the worst I've ever seen.

Ryan Lindley I think was his name.

So, so bad. There were times where I honestly felt I could have jumped onto the field and been more accurate than he was.
RE: What other position would you take  
Giants34 : 3/14/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.


Like it or not, there is such a thing as positional value. Kareem Hunt and Kamara went in the 3rd round last year, for example. You simply do not need to draft a guy like Barkley at 2, I don't care what his skill set is, because you can get a reasonable facsimile of the guy later on. He may not be Barkley exactly, but I'd rather come out of the draft with Rosen, Hernandez, and Penny than Barkley, Hernandez, and some other third round pick.
RE: What other position would you take  
giants#1 : 3/14/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.


Teams reach for QBs all the time due to positional scarcity and importance. You could argue "franchise" QBs aren't even pro-bowlers, let alone all-pros as just about any average QB is going to get paid when their contract is up (see Cousins, Smith, etc).
RE: RE: RE: lol  
allstarjim : 3/14/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13865251 Neckbone1333 said:
Quote:
In comment 13865228 allstarjim said:


Quote:


In comment 13864920 illmatic said:


Quote:


We have all this free agent news going on and people feel like now is the time to post this stuff. If you're going to be a fake asshat, at least do it during a slow time.

They're not making any major draft trades until draft day.



I agree with this.



When would you like him to post a draft pick trade?? The bye week?


I think that was over your head but given what others have said about OP, I'll retract. I was skeptical because I don't think anything would happen before draft day in any trade not involving the #1 overall pick. It isn't unprecedented, though. Chargers made a pre-draft trade in 1998 to move up to #2 and was willing to take whoever the Colts didn't want out of Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, and we all know the rest of that story. I highly, highly doubt that Buffalo would complete a trade with anyone but the Browns or Giants prior to draft day, though. If they trade with the Giants prior to draft day, it probably means that they have two quarterbacks that they like and are good with whoever is there at #2.

But seems like OP is a good poster so he probably does deserve more leeway.
I actually felt bad for Lindley  
Go Terps : 3/14/2018 3:00 pm : link
I had a similar experience watching him in that it made me think of how hard it must be to play that position at an NFL level.
Bills move up to #2 and turn around and trade the #2 pick  
yankeeslover : 3/14/2018 3:00 pm : link
To Eagles for Foles. Lol would love to see this board if that happened and Eagles grab Barkley while we have the #12 pick.
RE: RE: What other position would you take  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13865440 giants#1 said:
Quote:
In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.



Teams reach for QBs all the time due to positional scarcity and importance. You could argue "franchise" QBs aren't even pro-bowlers, let alone all-pros as just about any average QB is going to get paid when their contract is up (see Cousins, Smith, etc).


Perhaps, but "Reach" is a media/talking head and fan term.

No "football person" drafts a player at #2 overall, at any position, that they don't think will be a perennial all-pro.

Period.

you will never convince me otherwise, that a team picks a player at #2 overall and thinks "we think this guy can be average for us and we need a QB"

that's maybe how fans view it or Mel Kiper views it, it's not how the people making the pick view it.
RE: RE: Don’t like it  
allstarjim : 3/14/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13865400 lax counsel said:
Quote:
In comment 13865215 The_Boss said:


Quote:


Likely suffer through a 3 win season and not walk away with a blue chip talent...could also secure QB for the next decade plus. Next yesr’s QB crop
sucks. If Webb isn’t the answer and Eli continues to prove he’s at/near the end, DG will rue this day.



Spot on, Gettlemen will be fired before he's on his third season in that scenario. For the trade down/Barkley crowd can I ask you a question, do the names Drew Lock, Clayton Thornson, or Jacob Eason or Jarret Stidham excite you? Assuming Webb is a clipboard holder, which unfortunately is where his odds stand, do those 4 names make you think franchise qb.

Drew Lock went back to school this year because he was projected to be. 4th round or later pick in 2018; Clayton Thornson was aggressively medicore before a gruesome injury, and for those of you concerned with Rosen's and his "history", Thornson will turn your hair white; Jacob Eason was beat out by a decent freshmen, and never again threatened for the job; and Jarret Stidham is a system qb with limited arm strength. So I ask all of you are those names you want to trade up for in 2019? Because there isn't a single top 10 pick at qb in 2019. 2020 isn't far better either. Also, do not start your sentence with "we don't know about those drafts", because if you watch any college fb, then you should have an idea. And, if there happens to be a late riser, than those of you concerned with bust status should have your alarm bells go off, late risers have the highest bust potential- Mark Sanchez, Jeff George, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder- guys that had limited success in college and were taken high.


What was Rosen considered after his 2016 season? Now to some he's the next Peyton Manning. He played 6 games in 2016 and was a 59.3% passer.

A lot can change in 1 year, especially with young QBs that are still developing and growing as players. Ryan Finley is a guy to watch next year. Out of NC State. 65% passer in 2017 and a 17-6 TDs to INTs. I like him and think he's going to be even better in 2018.
RE: Bills move up to #2 and turn around and trade the #2 pick  
mfsd : 3/14/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13865445 yankeeslover said:
Quote:
To Eagles for Foles. Lol would love to see this board if that happened and Eagles grab Barkley while we have the #12 pick.


Haha that would be so awful it would actually be worth laughing about
too big a drop  
msh : 3/14/2018 3:05 pm : link
they would need to add future number 1 next year before that deal gets enough traction you would be out the hunt for barkley,chubb,fitzpatrick,nelson,even edwards and brown probably with that if you going to trade back you want a shot at least 1 of those guys are there at 12 seams like its too far they already traded glenn who the giants may have been interested enough in already and unlikely they could afford another OL trade?
RE: RE: What other position would you take  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13865435 Giants34 said:
Quote:
In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.



Like it or not, there is such a thing as positional value. Kareem Hunt and Kamara went in the 3rd round last year, for example. You simply do not need to draft a guy like Barkley at 2, I don't care what his skill set is, because you can get a reasonable facsimile of the guy later on. He may not be Barkley exactly, but I'd rather come out of the draft with Rosen, Hernandez, and Penny than Barkley, Hernandez, and some other third round pick.


I agree, and I said nothing to the contrary. I was not advocating for any specific position at #2 over another, only that whoever the GM drafts at #2 overall they have an expectation the player will excel in the NFL ("become a perennial all-pro").

that is the only comment I was making.
oh yeah, Ryan Lindley was hideously bad  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2018 3:06 pm : link
So was another random scrub the Cardinals ran out there around the same time, Max Hall.

Here's a blast from the past - Stan Gelbaugh, proud possessor of a 1-11 record as an NFL starter. 10 TDs/22 INTs. Kelly Stouffer was actually the sixth overall pick in the 1987 draft, was 5-11 as starter, 7 TDs/16 INTs.

Rick Mirer wasn't quite as bad as the guys we've been talking about, but what is amazing is how many games he managed to start despite being awful.
RE: What other position would you take  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.


Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.

The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...

I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.
Gelbaugh was great in the World League  
Go Terps : 3/14/2018 3:10 pm : link
Him and Kerwin Bell.
I remember Lindley  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 3:12 pm : link
and he was terrible, but he was never as bad as Nathan Peterman from what I recall (in Peterman's debut).

And Lindley only started I think because of injury but that year but the Cardinals had a litany of shitty QB's. Lindley, Skelton (Skelton or Shelton?), Kolb and more.

The Bills benched Tyrod Taylor for this clown.

RE: RE: What other position would you take  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13865476 jvm52106 said:
Quote:
In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.



Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.

The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...

I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.


What are you talking about? Did you read my post?

All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.

Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.
DG trades for Bills treasure trove of picks...  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/14/2018 3:18 pm : link
...then trade OBJ to the Browns for 1 and 4.

Giants spend all day drafting, Bills get #2 overall.

We all collectively explode....
Called this a long time ago  
WillVAB : 3/14/2018 3:21 pm : link
Hope it happens. This team needs cheap talent.
RE: RE: RE: What other position would you take  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13865508 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
In comment 13865476 jvm52106 said:


Quote:


In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.



Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.

The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...

I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.



What are you talking about? Did you read my post?

All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.

Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.


Well, clearly I didn't read it closely and jumped to typing.... Reduces self 3 steps in rank.
While we're talking about atrocious recent NFL QBs,  
Mr. Bungle : 3/14/2018 3:26 pm : link
how about Tyler Palko?
.  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2018 3:29 pm : link
I still can't believe we lost to Kurt Kittner and Craig Krenzel.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What other position would you take  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13865534 jvm52106 said:
Quote:
In comment 13865508 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


In comment 13865476 jvm52106 said:


Quote:


In comment 13865419 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


at #2 overall that you don't think has perennial all-pro talent.

I mean isn't the point of the draft? You take the best player available at a position you need and when you're picking 2 overall, whether it's a QB, RB, OL, whatever, you probably have to believe that player is a perennial all-pro.

only things in the NFL don't always work out as you hope.



Look, you can't have it both ways? Winning teams can draft for the future. Losing teams draft to build. We are a losing team that thinks (at least by all indications) that it can be a winning team quickly. They seem to believe that ELI is the guy. Then to me, you need to load up on positions and players that you can't fill in FA that will contribute NOW. A QB at 2 will not contribute now.

The way we seem to be going (all in with Eli) means a QB at #2 makes no sense. We have a shit Oline even with Solder. We need more. We have 2 WR's, one who may holdout and is coming off injury. We have to rebuild our line and we need to acquire bodies at WR, CB, LB...

I am not opposed to a QB at #2 if we go with plan to build a line for the long term and we make sense of what we are doing. BUt, going heavy after Solder and looking to get Eli set for the next two years means we can't waste 1 of our 5 picks on a guy who isn't going to play or contribute this year.



What are you talking about? Did you read my post?

All I said was in response to the guy who said if you take a QB at #2 overall you better hope he's a perennial all-pro that whoever you take at #2 overall, regardless of position, you as a GM and a FO more than likely think the player is a perennial all-pro.

Other than that I have no idea what your post is arguing.



Well, clearly I didn't read it closely and jumped to typing.... Reduces self 3 steps in rank.


LOL
Would much rather trade back to 5 or 6.  
Boy Cord : 3/14/2018 3:31 pm : link
Still get a haul. Although, Giants may like the OG pool in the early 20s, which is enticing.
Just to give an idea  
allstarjim : 3/14/2018 3:32 pm : link
of what that trade might look like in this draft:

At 12 you have a shot at Derwin James, Denzel Ward, Roquan Smith (I think Smith won't get past the Raiders at 10, though) or Mike McGlinchey (I still would have no problem drafting him even with the addition of Solder).

Come back at 22 and the guy I'm circling his name big time is Isaiah Wynn or perhaps a CB if I didn't get one at 12 like Carlton Davis.

Then at the top of round 2 at 34 overall I like Billy Price, maybe James Daniels. Marcus Davenport could be there, even. If I haven't grabbed a corner yet Jaire Alexander could be in play.

Then at #53 overall, which would be one of Buffalo's 2nd rounders, I want Rashaad Penny or Nick Chubb. If I didn't get a C earlier I like Frank Ragnow an awful lot, he can also play Guard. Braden Smith, great OG out of Auburn, also a strong choice. Consolation prizes would be Sam Hubbard, Lorenzo Carter, or Derek Nnadi, who to me would be a great interior pass rusher, can be a pass-rushing nose on passing downs to spell Harrison, and/or can play on the end in a 3-4.

Then at the top of round 3 I really like Armani Watts at FS. I think Bettcher would love this guy. If I miss on him Equanimeous St. Brown, but a guy I really like and don't want to gamble on waiting to round 4 is Tre'Quan Smith, WR out of UCF. He's one of my big value picks in this draft. Perhaps Tyrell Crosby or Kolton Miller slips here although I don't think so.

Then you still are going to have two first rounders next year, with high potential that one or both of them will be high first round picks, but now you have an influx of talent so if you can grab your franchise QB next year, he already has a rebuilt O-line and some young talent entering their 2nd year to work with. That would be 5 picks inside of the top 66 overall picks of the draft, and you hope you have 5 good players to add to your team before you even get to the 4th round.
It would be interesting to me if Ereck Flowers was involved in  
yatqb : 3/14/2018 3:33 pm : link
the trade, now that we landed Solder AND the Bills traded away Cordy Glenn.
Why does only QB have to be a perennial all-pro?  
twostepgiants : 3/14/2018 3:33 pm : link
Shouldnt that be the standard for any player taken at 2?
What a bunch of bullshit...  
Slade : 3/14/2018 3:35 pm : link
delete this now!!!
RE: DG trades for Bills treasure trove of picks...  
bw in dc : 3/14/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13865516 ArcadeSlumlord said:
Quote:
...then trade OBJ to the Browns for 1 and 4.

Giants spend all day drafting, Bills get #2 overall.

We all collectively explode....


That was very funny. Well done...
RE: What a bunch of bullshit...  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13865578 Slade said:
Quote:
delete this now!!!


ahhh, you....
RE: It would be interesting to me if Ereck Flowers was involved in  
GFAN52 : 3/14/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13865571 yatqb said:
Quote:
the trade, now that we landed Solder AND the Bills traded away Cordy Glenn.


Trying to push Flowers on another team in a trade is sure to be a deal killer though.
Slade is in the house...  
bw in dc : 3/14/2018 3:36 pm : link
Yes!
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner