We will use this as a discussion thread to keep the SELECTIONS thread uncluttered. These threads will be used for the duration of the entire draft.
Once a team is on the clock, they will have two hours to make a selection. If a team goes on the clock after 4pm, their two hour window will roll over to the next day. For example, if you go on the clock at 4:30pm, you will have until 9:30 am to make a selection. Picks may be made between 6pm and 9am if GMs are online and following the draft thread. The time limit only applies during the 9am to 6pm timeframe. If the two hour time limit expires, I will make a pick using any list that the GM for the team has sent me in advance (send lists to the email address in my profile) or in the absence of a list, I will use the GBN Big Board with a little discretion so as not make an obvious dumb pick (i.e.: Philadelphia Eagles won’t be taking a QB in the 1st round this year). If a GM misses two consecutive picks without providing a prospect list or making some form of contact with me (email or posting on the draft thread) the spot will be reassigned to one of the BBIers who have expressed an interest to fill the vacancy.
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BBI Mock Draft Spreadsheet . The spreadsheet contains the draft order (RD1-6) by team and GM with a fairly comprehensive list of both available and taken prospects based on the GBN Big Board (as well as several other prospects that did not make the GBN Big Board). I will try to keep the spreadsheet and thread updated as often as possible.
How do you rank them and why?
Thanks in advance.
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In comment 13896664 Thegratefulhead said:
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.
You sir are crazy.
We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.
Webb also played in an Air Raid offense, that produces high volume of yardage. Darnold does not.
Good comp. Haven't heard Matt Ryan as a comp to Rosen, but almost exact build (6-4 218 range), limited mobility and good, accurate arm. Both come from big programs. Although, I think their personalities are quite far apart, their talent and build is certainly similar.
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In comment 13896664 Thegratefulhead said:
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.
You sir are crazy.
We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.
How much work do you think he got with the WR's as the #3 QB. There are precious few snaps in limited practices during the season that are reserved for the top two QB's. Webb most likely received the majority of his snaps on the scout team.
BTW Webb does not have a much better arm that Darnold. His college stats don't matter as Webb was playing in a much simpler offense that greatly inflated his stats. The entire scouting community disagrees with your assessment.
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thing about Rosen to me, is that all of his knocks have nothing to do with him throwing the football. If he can stay healthy and out of the media, he should be a very good pro. I'm thinking Matt Ryan-esque, which is definitely worth the no. 3 pick.
Good comp. Haven't heard Matt Ryan as a comp to Rosen, but almost exact build (6-4 218 range), limited mobility and good, accurate arm. Both come from big programs. Although, I think their personalities are quite far apart, their talent and build is certainly similar.
The height/weight may be similar, but Rosen always seems to get hurt when he gets hit. That does not happen with QB's like Ryan or Eli Manning. If he cannot withstand hits from college players, what is going to happen in the NFL?
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In comment 13896696 Jon in NYC said:
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thing about Rosen to me, is that all of his knocks have nothing to do with him throwing the football. If he can stay healthy and out of the media, he should be a very good pro. I'm thinking Matt Ryan-esque, which is definitely worth the no. 3 pick.
Good comp. Haven't heard Matt Ryan as a comp to Rosen, but almost exact build (6-4 218 range), limited mobility and good, accurate arm. Both come from big programs. Although, I think their personalities are quite far apart, their talent and build is certainly similar.
The height/weight may be similar, but Rosen always seems to get hurt when he gets hit. That does not happen with QB's like Ryan or Eli Manning. If he cannot withstand hits from college players, what is going to happen in the NFL?
I think his height/weight and talent in general is similar- accuracy, arm strength, mobility. In terms of his durability, I don't think there are many on BBI that can be confident in that. If it weren't for his past histories and durability concerns, he is the no brainer at #1.
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well if I could, I'd trade down right now - but I can't - so I need to look things over before I make my pick
I'd also like to think there is less than a zero percent chance the Browns draft Mayfield after the Manziel debacle (regardless of whether that is fair to Mayfield or not)
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In comment 13896678 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13896664 Thegratefulhead said:
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.
You sir are crazy.
We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.
How much work do you think he got with the WR's as the #3 QB. There are precious few snaps in limited practices during the season that are reserved for the top two QB's. Webb most likely received the majority of his snaps on the scout team.
BTW Webb does not have a much better arm that Darnold. His college stats don't matter as Webb was playing in a much simpler offense that greatly inflated his stats. The entire scouting community disagrees with your assessment.
Nelson makes the entire offensive line better and will help both the run and pass game.
Dave Te said on his podcast that the Browns would probably take Baker Mayfield or Allen because because of scrambeling ability. He said you basically don’t bring in a Taylor and not bring in someone who has a similar style of play because they both have to play in the system.
Can you explain why Webb was a 3rd round pick and Darnold is the consensus #1 overall pick then? This is a pretty ridiculous assessment.
My pick is not for a little bit, but I am torn on what to do. I have my eye on two player. One many on-line prognosticators have already predicted as the best pick for Green Bay. The other is one who I really like, but most project as an early 2nd round pick. He fits a need pretty much on the button, but need picks can kill a team. What do you say, if he is there and the first one is gone, do you take the player you like even though most on-line experts don't project his value as being worthy of a mid-first round pick?
Whoa. Looking forward to this explanation, Jay
Jay what your reasoning?
Recently invested a top pick in Winston and although nothing spectacular so far, he is still young and has shown glimpses. Bucs have a ton of holes lacking premium talent at almost every position.
Over the past year I have serious doubts with Winston as the franchise QB. Allen goes to a perfect spot where he can sit for a year or two. Best case scenario is that both prove to be franchise guys then I will trade one for a bounty.
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Be ready for a shock.
Jay what your reasoning?
Recently invested a top pick in Winston and although nothing spectacular so far, he is still young and has shown glimpses. Bucs have a ton of holes lacking premium talent at almost every position.
They did draft O.J. Howard and just signed Cameron Brate to a large contract
Over the past year I have serious doubts with Winston as the franchise QB. Allen goes to a perfect spot where he can sit for a year or two. Best case scenario is that both prove to be franchise guys then I will trade one for a bounty.
I think Buffalo would have traded up with you in this case, if it were the real draft.
Thanks for ruining the draft. I might as well take a punter and kicker with my first rd picks.
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I am fully prepared for it.
Thanks for ruining the draft. I might as well take a punter and kicker with my first rd picks.
Al Davis is reincarnated?
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But I wasn't expecting Allen to be there as I was hoping for Chubb or Nelson.
Over the past year I have serious doubts with Winston as the franchise QB. Allen goes to a perfect spot where he can sit for a year or two. Best case scenario is that both prove to be franchise guys then I will trade one for a bounty.
I think Buffalo would have traded up with you in this case, if it were the real draft.
Absolutely they would have!!!
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I am fully prepared for it.
Thanks for ruining the draft. I might as well take a punter and kicker with my first rd picks.
You better be complaining about a RB being taken first then. No way Cleveland goes anything but QB #1... Not going to happen.
Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt
this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.
take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt
this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.
take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.
Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt
this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.
take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.
Yes. which Jay and Lionheart both did.
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.
Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt
this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.
take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.
I agree and I think he did that. I mean Winston is a mess and isn't someone I would want leading my franchise. You get what is going to be most likely the #1 player taken in this draft and sit for a year. You can then trade Winston for a nice big haul next year and you have a much better face of your franchise if you ask me.
known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...
Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.
I think I did justify the pick. I don't think Winston is the right guy to lead this franchise. Sure he has the talent to be a great QB but I don't think he is mentally tough enough and the off the field concerns are real IMO. I wasn't expecting this reaction lol.