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Matt G : 4/1/2018 10:46 pm
We will use this as a discussion thread to keep the SELECTIONS thread uncluttered. These threads will be used for the duration of the entire draft.

Once a team is on the clock, they will have two hours to make a selection. If a team goes on the clock after 4pm, their two hour window will roll over to the next day. For example, if you go on the clock at 4:30pm, you will have until 9:30 am to make a selection. Picks may be made between 6pm and 9am if GMs are online and following the draft thread. The time limit only applies during the 9am to 6pm timeframe. If the two hour time limit expires, I will make a pick using any list that the GM for the team has sent me in advance (send lists to the email address in my profile) or in the absence of a list, I will use the GBN Big Board with a little discretion so as not make an obvious dumb pick (i.e.: Philadelphia Eagles wonít be taking a QB in the 1st round this year). If a GM misses two consecutive picks without providing a prospect list or making some form of contact with me (email or posting on the draft thread) the spot will be reassigned to one of the BBIers who have expressed an interest to fill the vacancy.

Please utilize the BBI Mock Draft Spreadsheet . The spreadsheet contains the draft order (RD1-6) by team and GM with a fairly comprehensive list of both available and taken prospects based on the GBN Big Board (as well as several other prospects that did not make the GBN Big Board). I will try to keep the spreadsheet and thread updated as often as possible.
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I still think Rosen is the best QB in the draft  
TommytheElephant : 4/2/2018 11:28 am : link
Albeit I donít base my thought process much more than watching the quarterback.
RE: I still think Rosen is the best QB in the draft  
Thegratefulhead : 4/2/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13896703 TommytheElephant said:
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Albeit I donít base my thought process much more than watching the quarterback.
I think that is abundantly clear.
Grateful Head  
TommytheElephant : 4/2/2018 11:41 am : link
Are you a scout? Maybe you could help me out.
How do you rank them and why?

Thanks in advance.
RE: RE: RE: Darnold  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 11:50 am : link
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.



You sir are crazy.

We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.


Webb also played in an Air Raid offense, that produces high volume of yardage. Darnold does not.
RE: The funny  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13896696 Jon in NYC said:
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thing about Rosen to me, is that all of his knocks have nothing to do with him throwing the football. If he can stay healthy and out of the media, he should be a very good pro. I'm thinking Matt Ryan-esque, which is definitely worth the no. 3 pick.


Good comp. Haven't heard Matt Ryan as a comp to Rosen, but almost exact build (6-4 218 range), limited mobility and good, accurate arm. Both come from big programs. Although, I think their personalities are quite far apart, their talent and build is certainly similar.
Darnold is a bit Eli-esque in that  
Lionhart28 : 4/2/2018 11:55 am : link
He produces some of the most unbelievable, hall of fame type plays followed up by some totally bone-head decisions. As a Penn State fan who was at the Rose Bowl, I don't know that I've ever seen a better game by a college QB. He was hitting every throw in tiny windows. Given, his protection was ridiculous, but even so. All of these QBs seem to have some questions marks, it will be very interesting to follow their careers moving forward.
RE: RE: RE: Darnold  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 11:55 am : link
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.



You sir are crazy.

We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.

How much work do you think he got with the WR's as the #3 QB. There are precious few snaps in limited practices during the season that are reserved for the top two QB's. Webb most likely received the majority of his snaps on the scout team.

BTW Webb does not have a much better arm that Darnold. His college stats don't matter as Webb was playing in a much simpler offense that greatly inflated his stats. The entire scouting community disagrees with your assessment.
RE: RE: The funny  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13896757 GuzzaBlue said:
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thing about Rosen to me, is that all of his knocks have nothing to do with him throwing the football. If he can stay healthy and out of the media, he should be a very good pro. I'm thinking Matt Ryan-esque, which is definitely worth the no. 3 pick.



Good comp. Haven't heard Matt Ryan as a comp to Rosen, but almost exact build (6-4 218 range), limited mobility and good, accurate arm. Both come from big programs. Although, I think their personalities are quite far apart, their talent and build is certainly similar.


The height/weight may be similar, but Rosen always seems to get hurt when he gets hit. That does not happen with QB's like Ryan or Eli Manning. If he cannot withstand hits from college players, what is going to happen in the NFL?
Broncos are chomping at the bit with pick number 5  
jlukes : 4/2/2018 11:58 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: The funny  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13896763 Mike in NY said:
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thing about Rosen to me, is that all of his knocks have nothing to do with him throwing the football. If he can stay healthy and out of the media, he should be a very good pro. I'm thinking Matt Ryan-esque, which is definitely worth the no. 3 pick.



Good comp. Haven't heard Matt Ryan as a comp to Rosen, but almost exact build (6-4 218 range), limited mobility and good, accurate arm. Both come from big programs. Although, I think their personalities are quite far apart, their talent and build is certainly similar.



The height/weight may be similar, but Rosen always seems to get hurt when he gets hit. That does not happen with QB's like Ryan or Eli Manning. If he cannot withstand hits from college players, what is going to happen in the NFL?


I think his height/weight and talent in general is similar- accuracy, arm strength, mobility. In terms of his durability, I don't think there are many on BBI that can be confident in that. If it weren't for his past histories and durability concerns, he is the no brainer at #1.
Browns pick is in  
Lionhart28 : 4/2/2018 12:11 pm : link
When it came down to it, we took the better football player rather than the tempting high-ceiling superior athlete. Love him or hate him, Mayfield just wins. Hopefully the future Barkley/Mayfield backfield brings some swagger to a long-time downtrodden Browns offense.
mother effer  
jlukes : 4/2/2018 12:13 pm : link
well if I could, I'd trade down right now - but I can't - so I need to look things over before I make my pick
Browns Don't Get Any From  
Trainmaster : 4/2/2018 12:15 pm : link
Darnold, Allen or Rosen; seems very unlikely.
Life comes at you fast:  
Jon in NYC : 4/2/2018 12:15 pm : link
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mother effer
jlukes : 12:13 pm : link : reply
well if I could, I'd trade down right now - but I can't - so I need to look things over before I make my pick
Really don't  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 12:16 pm : link
like the Barkley/Mayfield combo for Cleveland. Would rather Darnold/Chubb or Darnold/Barkley (if he's there).

I'd also like to think there is less than a zero percent chance the Browns draft Mayfield after the Manziel debacle (regardless of whether that is fair to Mayfield or not)
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Thegratefulhead : 4/2/2018 12:34 pm : link
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.



You sir are crazy.

We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.


How much work do you think he got with the WR's as the #3 QB. There are precious few snaps in limited practices during the season that are reserved for the top two QB's. Webb most likely received the majority of his snaps on the scout team.

BTW Webb does not have a much better arm that Darnold. His college stats don't matter as Webb was playing in a much simpler offense that greatly inflated his stats. The entire scouting community disagrees with your assessment.
There are a few scouts and former NFL QBs of scouts that do not like Darnold. Webb had a 56 velocity at the combine. Suspiciously, this information is unavailable for Darnold and he did not throw at the combine. Webb's arm rivals Mahommes and is very close to Allen. He can chuck it 75 yards in the air. It is all opinion to this point. I don't like Darnold as a prospect.
I was all ready to take Mayfield  
jlukes : 4/2/2018 12:36 pm : link
but I will have to "settle" for Nelson. Chubb really intrigued me as well, but not quite sure of the fit opposite of Von Miller.

Nelson makes the entire offensive line better and will help both the run and pass game.
RE: Browns pick is in  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 12:36 pm : link
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When it came down to it, we took the better football player rather than the tempting high-ceiling superior athlete. Love him or hate him, Mayfield just wins. Hopefully the future Barkley/Mayfield backfield brings some swagger to a long-time downtrodden Browns offense.


Dave Te said on his podcast that the Browns would probably take Baker Mayfield or Allen because because of scrambeling ability. He said you basically donít bring in a Taylor and not bring in someone who has a similar style of play because they both have to play in the system.
Colts pick is in  
Go Terps : 4/2/2018 12:39 pm : link
The Chubb pick made itself.
RE: Darnold  
Gmen88 : 4/2/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13896664 Thegratefulhead said:
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.


Can you explain why Webb was a 3rd round pick and Darnold is the consensus #1 overall pick then? This is a pretty ridiculous assessment.
I think the draft is off to a great start  
MadPlaid : 4/2/2018 12:57 pm : link
Typical BBI, controversial picks that drive people insane. It drives the discussion, and entertains. The real draft can't get her quick enough.

My pick is not for a little bit, but I am torn on what to do. I have my eye on two player. One many on-line prognosticators have already predicted as the best pick for Green Bay. The other is one who I really like, but most project as an early 2nd round pick. He fits a need pretty much on the button, but need picks can kill a team. What do you say, if he is there and the first one is gone, do you take the player you like even though most on-line experts don't project his value as being worthy of a mid-first round pick?
I'm making my pick now  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:02 pm : link
Be ready for a shock.
RE: I'm making my pick now  
sjnyfan : 4/2/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13896875 Jay on the Island said:
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Be ready for a shock.


Whoa. Looking forward to this explanation, Jay
I didn't expect that  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 1:07 pm : link
Winston hasn't quite lived up to being a #1 overall pick, but he has also not been that bad that they need to start looking at replacements this year
RE: I'm making my pick now  
Motley Two : 4/2/2018 1:08 pm : link
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Be ready for a shock.



No offense...  
trueblueinpw : 4/2/2018 1:08 pm : link
But I donít see any way that Cleveland takes anything but a QB at the 1. Kind of pushes everything else sideways, so thatís cool, but it doesnít seem at all likely.
RE: I'm making my pick now  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13896875 Jay on the Island said:
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Be ready for a shock.


Jay what your reasoning?

Recently invested a top pick in Winston and although nothing spectacular so far, he is still young and has shown glimpses. Bucs have a ton of holes lacking premium talent at almost every position.
I had no intention of taking a QB there  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:10 pm : link
But I wasn't expecting Allen to be there as I was hoping for Chubb or Nelson.

Over the past year I have serious doubts with Winston as the franchise QB. Allen goes to a perfect spot where he can sit for a year or two. Best case scenario is that both prove to be franchise guys then I will trade one for a bounty.
I know that I will get blasted for this pick  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:11 pm : link
I am fully prepared for it.
Winston had an alarming year  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:15 pm : link
He had two sideline outbursts, injured his shoulder, and was accused of groping an uber driver.
RE: Winston had an alarming year  
Motley Two : 4/2/2018 1:18 pm : link
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He had two sideline outbursts, injured his shoulder, and was accused of groping an uber driver.



RE: RE: I'm making my pick now  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 1:19 pm : link
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Be ready for a shock.



Jay what your reasoning?

Recently invested a top pick in Winston and although nothing spectacular so far, he is still young and has shown glimpses. Bucs have a ton of holes lacking premium talent at almost every position.


They did draft O.J. Howard and just signed Cameron Brate to a large contract
Well considering  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 1:20 pm : link
Josh Allen is going Number 1 overall the value is good. I agree that I can't see that ever happening, but then again no way Cleveland doesn't go QB #1 no matter what in the draft either so what is there to say.
I donít think the Bucs would make that pick  
bigbluehoya : 4/2/2018 1:26 pm : link
But itís not that absurd IMO. Look at the insane $ QBs are getting these days. If Iím the Bucs, Iím not 100% sold on giving Winston a second contract at this point.
Bucs will not select allen  
Joey from GlenCove : 4/2/2018 1:27 pm : link
i disagree with that pick
RE: I had no intention of taking a QB there  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13896896 Jay on the Island said:
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But I wasn't expecting Allen to be there as I was hoping for Chubb or Nelson.

Over the past year I have serious doubts with Winston as the franchise QB. Allen goes to a perfect spot where he can sit for a year or two. Best case scenario is that both prove to be franchise guys then I will trade one for a bounty.


I think Buffalo would have traded up with you in this case, if it were the real draft.
hate what that unrealistic bucs pick does  
jlukes : 4/2/2018 1:30 pm : link
to the rest of the draft.
In real world the Bucs can't make that pick without trading Winston  
Eric on Li : 4/2/2018 1:32 pm : link
I think a fair argument can be made that might not be the worst direction to go depending on the compensation, but there's no way they are drafting a QB that high and bringing both QBs into camp. That would be a complete circus.
RE: I know that I will get blasted for this pick  
superspynyg : 4/2/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13896898 Jay on the Island said:
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I am fully prepared for it.


Thanks for ruining the draft. I might as well take a punter and kicker with my first rd picks.
RE: RE: I know that I will get blasted for this pick  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 1:33 pm : link
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I am fully prepared for it.



Thanks for ruining the draft. I might as well take a punter and kicker with my first rd picks.


Al Davis is reincarnated?
RE: RE: I had no intention of taking a QB there  
superspynyg : 4/2/2018 1:33 pm : link
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But I wasn't expecting Allen to be there as I was hoping for Chubb or Nelson.

Over the past year I have serious doubts with Winston as the franchise QB. Allen goes to a perfect spot where he can sit for a year or two. Best case scenario is that both prove to be franchise guys then I will trade one for a bounty.



I think Buffalo would have traded up with you in this case, if it were the real draft.


Absolutely they would have!!!
RE: RE: I know that I will get blasted for this pick  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13896942 superspynyg said:
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I am fully prepared for it.



Thanks for ruining the draft. I might as well take a punter and kicker with my first rd picks.


You better be complaining about a RB being taken first then. No way Cleveland goes anything but QB #1... Not going to happen.
It's so exhausting reading over and over  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 1:36 pm : link
team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.

Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt

this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.

take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
I tell you what got over looked  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 1:40 pm : link
Minkah Fitzpatrick getting picked by the Bears. He was someone I was hoping to fall to the Raiders as I think he is a really good fit for what I wanted and needed. Then again he is so versatile he could fit any Defense.
RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
MadPlaid : 4/2/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13896949 SirYesSir said:
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.

Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt

this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.

take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid

Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.
Who the hell cares  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:44 pm : link
This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.
RE: RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13896958 MadPlaid said:
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.

Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt

this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.

take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid


Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.


Yes. which Jay and Lionheart both did.
RE: RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13896958 MadPlaid said:
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.

Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt

this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.

take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid


Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.


I agree and I think he did that. I mean Winston is a mess and isn't someone I would want leading my franchise. You get what is going to be most likely the #1 player taken in this draft and sit for a year. You can then trade Winston for a nice big haul next year and you have a much better face of your franchise if you ask me.
RE: Who the hell cares  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13896961 Jay on the Island said:
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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.



known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...
RE: RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13896958 MadPlaid said:
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Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.

I think I did justify the pick. I don't think Winston is the right guy to lead this franchise. Sure he has the talent to be a great QB but I don't think he is mentally tough enough and the off the field concerns are real IMO. I wasn't expecting this reaction lol.

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