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Matt G : 4/1/2018 10:46 pm
We will use this as a discussion thread to keep the SELECTIONS thread uncluttered. These threads will be used for the duration of the entire draft.

Once a team is on the clock, they will have two hours to make a selection. If a team goes on the clock after 4pm, their two hour window will roll over to the next day. For example, if you go on the clock at 4:30pm, you will have until 9:30 am to make a selection. Picks may be made between 6pm and 9am if GMs are online and following the draft thread. The time limit only applies during the 9am to 6pm timeframe. If the two hour time limit expires, I will make a pick using any list that the GM for the team has sent me in advance (send lists to the email address in my profile) or in the absence of a list, I will use the GBN Big Board with a little discretion so as not make an obvious dumb pick (i.e.: Philadelphia Eagles won’t be taking a QB in the 1st round this year). If a GM misses two consecutive picks without providing a prospect list or making some form of contact with me (email or posting on the draft thread) the spot will be reassigned to one of the BBIers who have expressed an interest to fill the vacancy.

Please utilize the BBI Mock Draft Spreadsheet . The spreadsheet contains the draft order (RD1-6) by team and GM with a fairly comprehensive list of both available and taken prospects based on the GBN Big Board (as well as several other prospects that did not make the GBN Big Board). I will try to keep the spreadsheet and thread updated as often as possible.
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hoya  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 1:49 pm : link
great pick...Fitzpatrick is perfect for a young team like the Bears. They get their leader on D
RE: RE: Who the hell cares  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13896967 SirYesSir said:
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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.




known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...

It was reported the past two weeks. They have narrowed it down to Allen and Darnold. Even Hue Jackson said they were taking a QB at 1.
You never know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/2/2018 1:51 pm : link
what is going to happen. What if there's a draft day trade involving Winston with Allen still on the board?

Could happen.

It isn't like Winston has set the league on fire and trading him now with some value might be better than if he continues to fail and there's no value.
RE: RE: RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
MadPlaid : 4/2/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13896968 Jay on the Island said:
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Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.


I think I did justify the pick. I don't think Winston is the right guy to lead this franchise. Sure he has the talent to be a great QB but I don't think he is mentally tough enough and the off the field concerns are real IMO. I wasn't expecting this reaction lol.

I agree. Your justification is a perfect example of what I am talking about. By the way, it was so good, that it made me think hmm, he could be onto something. The Bucs could very well do something that unexpected if the chips fall this way. Its things like this that make the mock draft fun and entertaining. Also, it spurs debate which is good too.
It's hilarious  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 1:54 pm : link
that the Bucs took Allen in this mock..but it ain't happening. But still - interesting to consider that reality
Can we be so certain that the Bucs wouldn't make that move?  
MadPlaid : 4/2/2018 1:57 pm : link
I don't think so. Anything is possible. If we could trade, then things might appear more sane, but we can't so sometimes we make a move that appears unlikely. When the real draft happens, the teams often make crazy moves that we had no way of predicting. Like KC's trade up to take Mahonnes or Texans' trade to get Watson.
any word from Pete?  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 1:57 pm : link
I am ready to pick for Oakland.
RE: RE: RE: Who the hell cares  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13896976 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13896961 Jay on the Island said:


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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.




known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...


It was reported the past two weeks. They have narrowed it down to Allen and Darnold. Even Hue Jackson said they were taking a QB at 1.


Jay, c'mon, listen to yourself. "it was reported" "hue jackson said..." no chance he's not telling the truth right?
RE: any word from Pete?  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13896990 Amtoft said:
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I am ready to pick for Oakland.


Yes
RE: It's hilarious  
Joey from GlenCove : 4/2/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13896988 ryanmkeane said:
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that the Bucs took Allen in this mock..but it ain't happening. But still - interesting to consider that reality


Just very very unlikely that they select allen. If there is demand there for allen they obviously trade. but for purposes of this mock they need secondary help
RE: RE: RE: RE: Who the hell cares  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13896991 SirYesSir said:
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In comment 13896967 SirYesSir said:


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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.




known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...


It was reported the past two weeks. They have narrowed it down to Allen and Darnold. Even Hue Jackson said they were taking a QB at 1.



Jay, c'mon, listen to yourself. "it was reported" "hue jackson said..." no chance he's not telling the truth right?


zero chance Cleveland passes on taking their top choice at QB. Won't happen especially when they will have to take their 3rd best QB if they don't. Just won't happen so not sure why you are arguing they would do anything but take QB #1.
Just a reminder  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:07 pm : link
The Bucs traded UP into the 2nd round to take K Roberto Aguayo in 2016.
I trades were allowed  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:08 pm : link
I would have traded down with Buffalo.
Roquan Smith  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 2:08 pm : link
is a LB I love! He is fast, good instincts, and a high level character leader type player. He is a flat out stud.
RE: Roquan Smith  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13897011 Amtoft said:
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is a LB I love! He is fast, good instincts, and a high level character leader type player. He is a flat out stud.

Very good pick. I am a huge fan of Smith.
The video on the selection thread  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 2:11 pm : link
of Smith. The angle from the LOS on the side, he shoots thru so fast it looks as if the video is sped up. Talk about closing speed.
RE: Roquan Smith  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13897011 Amtoft said:
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is a LB I love! He is fast, good instincts, and a high level character leader type player. He is a flat out stud.


I liked him a lot as well. Was on my short list of realistic options for the Ravens when I was doing my internal mock drafts in preparation for BBI Draft
RE: I trades were allowed  
Eric on Li : 4/2/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13897009 Jay on the Island said:
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I would have traded down with Buffalo.


I think the clearest way this pick makes a lot of sense is if part of the plan is trading Winston for a future pick. For the purposes of the mock it doesn't matter what that return is and it's not at all an unrealistic move (CLE gave up a 2nd for Tyrod Taylor). Someone would give up a decent 2019 pick for him and it would be an interesting move for the Bucs to make if they unexpectedly had a chance to take a top tier QB prospect.
I look at this as an investment  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:14 pm : link
If the Allen selection lights a fire under Winston and he becomes a star and stays out of trouble off the field then the Bucs are in an enviable position. If Allen develops as hoped then the Bucs can trade Winston for a nice package and move forward with their young stud QB.

RE: The video on the selection thread  
Amtoft : 4/2/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13897018 GuzzaBlue said:
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of Smith. The angle from the LOS on the side, he shoots thru so fast it looks as if the video is sped up. Talk about closing speed.


His quickness is amazing. They way he reads plays I am a big fan.
RE: You never know..  
Anakim : 4/2/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13896980 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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what is going to happen. What if there's a draft day trade involving Winston with Allen still on the board?

Could happen.

It isn't like Winston has set the league on fire and trading him now with some value might be better than if he continues to fail and there's no value.


It's not farfetched, but I can't see that happening. It seems like Licht and management are willing to fire Koetter than give up on Jameis. I'm sure Koetter would prefer Allen to Jameis, but I'm not sure ownership and management will.
If Bradford fetched a 1st and 4th  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:17 pm : link
I think a team would be more than happy to give that up for Winston on draft day. Ideally they would trade Winston next offseason allowing Allen the entire season to sit and continue to work on his mechanics. Winston would be inspired to have a big year which would increase his trade value assuming he keeps himself out of trouble.
RE: If Bradford fetched a 1st and 4th  
Anakim : 4/2/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13897036 Jay on the Island said:
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I think a team would be more than happy to give that up for Winston on draft day. Ideally they would trade Winston next offseason allowing Allen the entire season to sit and continue to work on his mechanics. Winston would be inspired to have a big year which would increase his trade value assuming he keeps himself out of trouble.


I probably would have taken Derwin James Jr. if I were you, but if you see Josh Allen as a franchise QB and a potentially better player than Winston, you should take Allen.
Winston  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 2:35 pm : link
went 9-7 rookie year and showed some real flashes of being a star. This past year...the team is just awful. The coach is also awful. So...not a great situation all around for him. He's got Evans and that's pretty much it. No defense, no run game, average OL.
RE: Winston  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13897051 ryanmkeane said:
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went 9-7 rookie year and showed some real flashes of being a star. This past year...the team is just awful. The coach is also awful. So...not a great situation all around for him. He's got Evans and that's pretty much it. No defense, no run game, average OL.

He also has Desean Jackson, Cameron Brate, and OJ Howard. It's not like he has no talent on offense. Their tackles are solid but they have a need at guard.
RE: Winston  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13897051 ryanmkeane said:
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went 9-7 rookie year and showed some real flashes of being a star. This past year...the team is just awful. The coach is also awful. So...not a great situation all around for him. He's got Evans and that's pretty much it. No defense, no run game, average OL.

Winston went 6-10 his rookie season. He was 9-7 his second year.
Jay  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 2:42 pm : link
correct...my bad. Which is also weird that he didn't make the jump in the 3rd year...but again...the team is just so bad
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13897066 ryanmkeane said:
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correct...my bad. Which is also weird that he didn't make the jump in the 3rd year...but again...the team is just so bad

Part of the reason I am ready to move on. He didn't take the next step in year 3, got into two separate sideline incidents, and then the uber incident. I don't want to trust the future of my franchise on this guy when I can take a chance on a risk but talented Allen.
Safe to say  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 3:00 pm : link
year #4 is pretty much make or break for Winston. If they suck and he's just kinda "eh"...then they made a big mistake.
RE: RE: Jay  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13897071 Jay on the Island said:
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correct...my bad. Which is also weird that he didn't make the jump in the 3rd year...but again...the team is just so bad


Part of the reason I am ready to move on. He didn't take the next step in year 3, got into two separate sideline incidents, and then the uber incident. I don't want to trust the future of my franchise on this guy when I can take a chance on a risk but talented Allen.


It is a well thought out pick and if you could trade Winston before camp opens, I like Allen's risk/reward over what we already know about Winston. I find it very difficult to imagine Winston becoming a top tier QB. I can't say the same about Allen yet, but he does possess the physical tools to do so. I'd take the chance on Allen over Winston and the deal breaker is the maturity issues and his decision making on the field, which has not progressed.

Question is what is the return on Winston. If Buffalo does not come away with a QB, I could see them throwing a ton their way.
Halfway through Optimus's time  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 3:04 pm : link
Will be interesting to see who Miami takes as we are at that point in the draft where there are a lot of directions teams can go
RE: RE: RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13897098 GuzzaBlue said:
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correct...my bad. Which is also weird that he didn't make the jump in the 3rd year...but again...the team is just so bad


Part of the reason I am ready to move on. He didn't take the next step in year 3, got into two separate sideline incidents, and then the uber incident. I don't want to trust the future of my franchise on this guy when I can take a chance on a risk but talented Allen.



It is a well thought out pick and if you could trade Winston before camp opens, I like Allen's risk/reward over what we already know about Winston. I find it very difficult to imagine Winston becoming a top tier QB. I can't say the same about Allen yet, but he does possess the physical tools to do so. I'd take the chance on Allen over Winston and the deal breaker is the maturity issues and his decision making on the field, which has not progressed.

Question is what is the return on Winston. If Buffalo does not come away with a QB, I could see them throwing a ton their way.

I could see them offering the 22nd and a 2nd.
love this mock  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/2/2018 3:15 pm : link
every year its fun to follow along. I thought TB general manager could never make a worse big than trading up for a kicker in the 2nd but Josh Allen for the Bucs is worse. Bucs pass on a position player to take a qb? brutal IMO
Pete in Woodstock  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 3:17 pm : link
I want to hear your feedback on your pick.
Tampa should absolutely be looking for a quarterback  
Go Terps : 4/2/2018 3:17 pm : link
Winston has two years left on his deal. A smart team would have made the decision on him already. A choice between...

Winston on 2 years of rookie contract

vs.

Allen on 5 years of rookie contract

...is, to me, no choice at all. You go with Allen. And I'm saying this as a guy who is not a huge fan of his. But Winston is a known quantity, and that quantity is not something you pay a second contract to.
RE: love this mock  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13897126 Ned In Atlanta said:
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every year its fun to follow along. I thought TB general manager could never make a worse big than trading up for a kicker in the 2nd but Josh Allen for the Bucs is worse. Bucs pass on a position player to take a qb? brutal IMO

Your entitled to your opinion but what if Allen becomes the next Elway? What if Fitzpatrick busts?
RE: I tell you what got over looked  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13896955 Amtoft said:
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Minkah Fitzpatrick getting picked by the Bears. He was someone I was hoping to fall to the Raiders as I think he is a really good fit for what I wanted and needed. Then again he is so versatile he could fit any Defense.


Yup. Flying under the radar a bit as a top prospect. On BBI, I get it, he is not one of the top few targets. For the class in general, I don't get it. I would think the impact Earl Thomas, Berry, Collins, ect have on their defenses he would be talked about more. He does everything, is a team leader and a great talent to help rebuild a defense.

If the Bucs did not go Allen, this is who I would have chosen.
RE: RE: I tell you what got over looked  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13897137 GuzzaBlue said:
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Minkah Fitzpatrick getting picked by the Bears. He was someone I was hoping to fall to the Raiders as I think he is a really good fit for what I wanted and needed. Then again he is so versatile he could fit any Defense.



Yup. Flying under the radar a bit as a top prospect. On BBI, I get it, he is not one of the top few targets. For the class in general, I don't get it. I would think the impact Earl Thomas, Berry, Collins, ect have on their defenses he would be talked about more. He does everything, is a team leader and a great talent to help rebuild a defense.

If the Bucs did not go Allen, this is who I would have chosen.

I wanted Chubb but once he went right before me I was torn between Allen and Fitzpatrick.
I hate to do this  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 3:36 pm : link
But according to BBI list, BPA is Denzel Ward. I am not sure I can see any reason for bypassing him if Optimus doesn't make his pick by 4:03 PM
GT  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 4:04 pm : link
that's good in theory but taking franchise QBs in the NFL never really works out that way. For example...Winston is 24 years old, has all the talent and has shown flashes. They are going to see it through with him considering he was the #1 overall pick in the draft, unless they just don't think he's any good at all. If Tampa thinks that he is absolutely 100% not their QB of the future and are ready to move on, then sure, taking Allen would be smart. But a) they don't feel that way and b) Winston has shown more flashes in the NFL than lots of QBs, he's more of a sure thing than Allen is at this point. Taking Allen doesn't solve their problem.
Any other thoughts  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 4:04 pm : link
Before I just post on the Selection thread?
Tampa's  
ryanmkeane : 4/2/2018 4:06 pm : link
problem is coaching and talent. They don't have much of either.
Well this sucks  
MadPlaid : 4/2/2018 4:09 pm : link
Optimus was on BBI earlier today. I know he would have preferred to make his own selection.
49ers are extremely happy to get the 19 year old Edmunds  
Pete from Woodstock : 4/2/2018 4:27 pm : link
Edmunds will give the 49ers versatility on defense. He’s big and powerful enough to hold the point of attack and to rush the passer from the team’s strong-side linebacker position. He may be even better suited for inside linebacker, which could become an area of need for San Francisco if Reuben Foster continues to be problematic.
Edmunds is an absolute freak, at 6-foot-5 he is fully capable of covering big-bodied tight ends down the middle of the field. He has even shown the ability to run downfield with running backs in one-on-one coverage. He will be ready to contribute come day one of the 2018 season.
12 Pick is Derwin James S FSU  
superspynyg : 4/2/2018 4:37 pm : link
His talent is too good.
RE: 12 Pick is Derwin James S FSU  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13897297 superspynyg said:
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His talent is too good.


Damn. I was hoping that he'd fall to me at 16
RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
allstarjim : 4/2/2018 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13896949 SirYesSir said:
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.

Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt

this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.

take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid


To be fair Hue Jackson already said they are going QB at #1.
sorry, skins pick will be up  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 5:48 pm : link
a little later this evening - in commuter hell for the time being
RE: RE: It's so exhausting reading over and over  
Lionhart28 : 4/2/2018 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13897376 allstarjim said:
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.

Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt

this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.

take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid



To be fair Hue Jackson already said they are going QB at #1.


In this war room, Hue Jackson doesn't call the shots. Lionhart does. ;)
We don't even show Hue  
Lionhart28 : 4/2/2018 5:57 pm : link
the real board.
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