We will use this as a discussion thread to keep the SELECTIONS thread uncluttered. These threads will be used for the duration of the entire draft.
Once a team is on the clock, they will have two hours to make a selection. If a team goes on the clock after 4pm, their two hour window will roll over to the next day. For example, if you go on the clock at 4:30pm, you will have until 9:30 am to make a selection. Picks may be made between 6pm and 9am if GMs are online and following the draft thread. The time limit only applies during the 9am to 6pm timeframe. If the two hour time limit expires, I will make a pick using any list that the GM for the team has sent me in advance (send lists to the email address in my profile) or in the absence of a list, I will use the GBN Big Board with a little discretion so as not make an obvious dumb pick (i.e.: Philadelphia Eagles won’t be taking a QB in the 1st round this year). If a GM misses two consecutive picks without providing a prospect list or making some form of contact with me (email or posting on the draft thread) the spot will be reassigned to one of the BBIers who have expressed an interest to fill the vacancy.
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BBI Mock Draft Spreadsheet . The spreadsheet contains the draft order (RD1-6) by team and GM with a fairly comprehensive list of both available and taken prospects based on the GBN Big Board (as well as several other prospects that did not make the GBN Big Board). I will try to keep the spreadsheet and thread updated as often as possible.
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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.
known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...
It was reported the past two weeks. They have narrowed it down to Allen and Darnold. Even Hue Jackson said they were taking a QB at 1.
Could happen.
It isn't like Winston has set the league on fire and trading him now with some value might be better than if he continues to fail and there's no value.
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Exactly. The BBI draft is not beholden to anyone. So if under the circumstances, you feel this is the move you need to make, then don't hesitate. None of it counts in the grand scheme of things. However, providing a good justification is still a must. I think.
I think I did justify the pick. I don't think Winston is the right guy to lead this franchise. Sure he has the talent to be a great QB but I don't think he is mentally tough enough and the off the field concerns are real IMO. I wasn't expecting this reaction lol.
I agree. Your justification is a perfect example of what I am talking about. By the way, it was so good, that it made me think hmm, he could be onto something. The Bucs could very well do something that unexpected if the chips fall this way. Its things like this that make the mock draft fun and entertaining. Also, it spurs debate which is good too.
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In comment 13896961 Jay on the Island said:
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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.
known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...
It was reported the past two weeks. They have narrowed it down to Allen and Darnold. Even Hue Jackson said they were taking a QB at 1.
Jay, c'mon, listen to yourself. "it was reported" "hue jackson said..." no chance he's not telling the truth right?
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Just very very unlikely that they select allen. If there is demand there for allen they obviously trade. but for purposes of this mock they need secondary help
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In comment 13896967 SirYesSir said:
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In comment 13896961 Jay on the Island said:
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This is for fun. Of course they wouldn't take Allen but then again there is no chance that the Browns take Barkley 1st overall. It is known that they have narrowed down the first pick to Allen and Darnold.
known by whom Jay? Also, the allies are landing at Pas de Calais...
It was reported the past two weeks. They have narrowed it down to Allen and Darnold. Even Hue Jackson said they were taking a QB at 1.
Jay, c'mon, listen to yourself. "it was reported" "hue jackson said..." no chance he's not telling the truth right?
zero chance Cleveland passes on taking their top choice at QB. Won't happen especially when they will have to take their 3rd best QB if they don't. Just won't happen so not sure why you are arguing they would do anything but take QB #1.
Very good pick. I am a huge fan of Smith.
I liked him a lot as well. Was on my short list of realistic options for the Ravens when I was doing my internal mock drafts in preparation for BBI Draft
I think the clearest way this pick makes a lot of sense is if part of the plan is trading Winston for a future pick. For the purposes of the mock it doesn't matter what that return is and it's not at all an unrealistic move (CLE gave up a 2nd for Tyrod Taylor). Someone would give up a decent 2019 pick for him and it would be an interesting move for the Bucs to make if they unexpectedly had a chance to take a top tier QB prospect.
His quickness is amazing. They way he reads plays I am a big fan.
Could happen.
It isn't like Winston has set the league on fire and trading him now with some value might be better than if he continues to fail and there's no value.
It's not farfetched, but I can't see that happening. It seems like Licht and management are willing to fire Koetter than give up on Jameis. I'm sure Koetter would prefer Allen to Jameis, but I'm not sure ownership and management will.
I probably would have taken Derwin James Jr. if I were you, but if you see Josh Allen as a franchise QB and a potentially better player than Winston, you should take Allen.
He also has Desean Jackson, Cameron Brate, and OJ Howard. It's not like he has no talent on offense. Their tackles are solid but they have a need at guard.
Winston went 6-10 his rookie season. He was 9-7 his second year.
Part of the reason I am ready to move on. He didn't take the next step in year 3, got into two separate sideline incidents, and then the uber incident. I don't want to trust the future of my franchise on this guy when I can take a chance on a risk but talented Allen.
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correct...my bad. Which is also weird that he didn't make the jump in the 3rd year...but again...the team is just so bad
Part of the reason I am ready to move on. He didn't take the next step in year 3, got into two separate sideline incidents, and then the uber incident. I don't want to trust the future of my franchise on this guy when I can take a chance on a risk but talented Allen.
It is a well thought out pick and if you could trade Winston before camp opens, I like Allen's risk/reward over what we already know about Winston. I find it very difficult to imagine Winston becoming a top tier QB. I can't say the same about Allen yet, but he does possess the physical tools to do so. I'd take the chance on Allen over Winston and the deal breaker is the maturity issues and his decision making on the field, which has not progressed.
Question is what is the return on Winston. If Buffalo does not come away with a QB, I could see them throwing a ton their way.
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In comment 13897066 ryanmkeane said:
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correct...my bad. Which is also weird that he didn't make the jump in the 3rd year...but again...the team is just so bad
Part of the reason I am ready to move on. He didn't take the next step in year 3, got into two separate sideline incidents, and then the uber incident. I don't want to trust the future of my franchise on this guy when I can take a chance on a risk but talented Allen.
It is a well thought out pick and if you could trade Winston before camp opens, I like Allen's risk/reward over what we already know about Winston. I find it very difficult to imagine Winston becoming a top tier QB. I can't say the same about Allen yet, but he does possess the physical tools to do so. I'd take the chance on Allen over Winston and the deal breaker is the maturity issues and his decision making on the field, which has not progressed.
Question is what is the return on Winston. If Buffalo does not come away with a QB, I could see them throwing a ton their way.
I could see them offering the 22nd and a 2nd.
Winston on 2 years of rookie contract
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Allen on 5 years of rookie contract
...is, to me, no choice at all. You go with Allen. And I'm saying this as a guy who is not a huge fan of his. But Winston is a known quantity, and that quantity is not something you pay a second contract to.
Your entitled to your opinion but what if Allen becomes the next Elway? What if Fitzpatrick busts?
Yup. Flying under the radar a bit as a top prospect. On BBI, I get it, he is not one of the top few targets. For the class in general, I don't get it. I would think the impact Earl Thomas, Berry, Collins, ect have on their defenses he would be talked about more. He does everything, is a team leader and a great talent to help rebuild a defense.
If the Bucs did not go Allen, this is who I would have chosen.
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Minkah Fitzpatrick getting picked by the Bears. He was someone I was hoping to fall to the Raiders as I think he is a really good fit for what I wanted and needed. Then again he is so versatile he could fit any Defense.
Yup. Flying under the radar a bit as a top prospect. On BBI, I get it, he is not one of the top few targets. For the class in general, I don't get it. I would think the impact Earl Thomas, Berry, Collins, ect have on their defenses he would be talked about more. He does everything, is a team leader and a great talent to help rebuild a defense.
If the Bucs did not go Allen, this is who I would have chosen.
I wanted Chubb but once he went right before me I was torn between Allen and Fitzpatrick.
Edmunds is an absolute freak, at 6-foot-5 he is fully capable of covering big-bodied tight ends down the middle of the field. He has even shown the ability to run downfield with running backs in one-on-one coverage. He will be ready to contribute come day one of the 2018 season.
Damn. I was hoping that he'd fall to me at 16
Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt
this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.
take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
To be fair Hue Jackson already said they are going QB at #1.
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team x would "never" take so and so there, or player x would "never" go at a certain spot.
Yeah, there are never any surprises in nfl drafts, riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttt
this would be pretty boring exercise if we just cut and pasted of mel kiper's big board.
take who you want, everyone else can disagree, but the "never's" are so freaking stupid
To be fair Hue Jackson already said they are going QB at #1.
In this war room, Hue Jackson doesn't call the shots. Lionhart does. ;)