Id at least like to hear if he communicated with the coaches about not being there. Entirely possible he had some other personal commitment and will be there tomorrow or something.
Still not a good look...new coach, new position, youd think a professional would plan his offseason personal commitments around OTAs.
Do you guys not understand that word if not lets help those in need.
done, given, or acting of one's own free will.
"we are funded by voluntary contributions"
synonyms: optional, discretionary, elective, noncompulsory, volitional; permissive
"attendance is voluntary"
Right tackle is a much less demanding position than Left Tackle
so he doesn't need to attend. In fact, he can skip OTAs, preseason and the regular season as well because "air" actually provides more resistance to the pass rush than Flowers... Perhaps he can get a job working the next DRC hotel party???
We can only hope and pray that Wheeler and Bisnowaty are making great progress...
Not only did OT Ereck Flowers not show for day one of #Giants workouts, confirming @art_stapleton report. But Flowers was the only player on the roster not there today, per source.
the whole 'It's voluntary' thing doesn't work for me in this case because of the new coaching staff and such. If he doesn't have a valid excuse for not being there, he deserves all the crap he gets.
Not only did Ereck Flowers not show up, he was sighted at the Paramus Mall with his fat ass parked in one of those orange swivel chairs in the food court, - Che palle!
Was asked the of question about if anybody was not there and he said that he didn't do a head count and only dealt with the offensive guys, how he didn't know flowers was a no show.... liar
New coach supposedly called and said he'd be flipping sides of the line. Essentially learning a new position. Three years a starter with mixed results, at best, as a #1 draft choice for the franchise. And a pretty tenuous ending to the previous season, with some real concerns different levels.
Yes, I want to know if it was excused/expected for a decent reason. But in the absence of that? Thin ice just sprung a huge crack.
A word used to placate the league when describing events that you're expected to show up for, especially when your job is on the line
If it's that important, feel free to blame the owners for approving that part of the labor agreement. Make it mandatory. They didn't, for whatever reason. Likely, because they traded it for the right to keep more revenue. So how important is it?
A word used to placate the league when describing events that you're expected to show up for, especially when your job is on the line
If it's that important, feel free to blame the owners for approving that part of the labor agreement. Make it mandatory. They didn't, for whatever reason. Likely, because they traded it for the right to keep more revenue. So how important is it?
I blame everyone- the players for insisting on a sissy offseason/training camp schedule and the owners for ratifying it. But mostly, I blame Flowers for being a dumbass
Bullshit. It's not voluntary when you don't have a startring job and a new HC is looking to get his team together for the first time. A major problem with the Reese/Ross approach to talent acquisition is they acquireed way too many dummies.
New coach supposedly called and said he'd be flipping sides of the line. Essentially learning a new position. Three years a starter with mixed results, at best, as a #1 draft choice for the franchise. And a pretty tenuous ending to the previous season, with some real concerns different levels.
Yes, I want to know if it was excused/expected for a decent reason. But in the absence of that? Thin ice just sprung a huge crack.
I'll wait to see if there's an actual reason or not before I crucify him - but I will say that if he wasn't there solely by choice, it's probably not a wise decision. He has a LOT to prove on the football field and needs all the work he can get.
It's one thing if it's someone like Michael Strahan. But when you're Ereck Flowers, you should be there unless you have a damn good reason not to be.
the best thing would be if we could find a willing trade partner.
There are teams with both plenty of cap room and extra late round draft picks that might feel he is worth the $2.4M in salary as an experienced left tackle. It might not be something that happens until the middle of day three, but I don't think he is long for the team and whatever they can get in return is worth subtracting his guaranteed salary from their salary cap dollars.
But his guaranteed salary gives him plenty of leverage if he doesn't want to switch to the right side of the line. The Giants have three choices, they could..
a) suffer through minicamps and training camp with a malcontent that only does what is minimally required and brings down the energy in the OL room
b) release him
c) trade him to a team that is weak at the left tackle position and has the cap room and draft picks for it to make sense.
If they choose (b), Flowers gets to eat his cake and have it, too. Not only does he still get paid, but he gets to choose his next team. And depending on whether or not there is offset language in his rookie contract, he might even make an extra million bucks, give or take a few hundred K. So (c) is the option we should all be rooting for and I don't think it's a pipe dream to believe there is a team out there willing to give up a late round pick for him.
the best thing would be if we could find a willing trade partner.
There are teams with both plenty of cap room and extra late round draft picks that might feel he is worth the $2.4M in salary as an experienced left tackle. It might not be something that happens until the middle of day three, but I don't think he is long for the team and whatever they can get in return is worth subtracting his guaranteed salary from their salary cap dollars.
I agree with you Milton and some other team will probably pay him a lot of money too the way they are throwing around money for OL ..... It seems like these guys dont even have to play well in theyre contract year anymore look at Richburg and Pugh.......
RE: You can question his intelligence and/or judgment....
But his guaranteed salary gives him plenty of leverage if he doesn't want to switch to the right side of the line. The Giants have three choices, they could..
a) suffer through minicamps and training camp with a malcontent that only does what is minimally required and brings down the energy in the OL room
b) release him
c) trade him to a team that is weak at the left tackle position and has the cap room and draft picks for it to make sense.
If they choose (b), Flowers gets to eat his cake and have it, too. Not only does he still get paid, but he gets to choose his next team. And depending on whether or not there is offset language in his rookie contract, he might even make an extra million bucks, give or take a few hundred K. So (c) is the option we should all be rooting for and I don't think it's a pipe dream to believe there is a team out there willing to give up a late round pick for him.
Your (b) option isn't quite correct. He is not a vested veteran. He is only entering his 4th year. He needs to accrue 4 years to be considered a vested veteran. If he is released, he is exposed to waivers in which case whomever claims him get him at the salary that remains on his current contract. If he was a vested veteran, then he would become a FA free to sign and negotiate a new contract.
These scenarios are where Lil Bill takes advantage of the rules. He claims these lost causes only for them to walk in FA. The Pats in turn get a comp pick for only keeping a guy on the roster for a year.
RE: RE: You can question his intelligence and/or judgment....
But his guaranteed salary gives him plenty of leverage if he doesn't want to switch to the right side of the line. The Giants have three choices, they could..
a) suffer through minicamps and training camp with a malcontent that only does what is minimally required and brings down the energy in the OL room
b) release him
c) trade him to a team that is weak at the left tackle position and has the cap room and draft picks for it to make sense.
If they choose (b), Flowers gets to eat his cake and have it, too. Not only does he still get paid, but he gets to choose his next team. And depending on whether or not there is offset language in his rookie contract, he might even make an extra million bucks, give or take a few hundred K. So (c) is the option we should all be rooting for and I don't think it's a pipe dream to believe there is a team out there willing to give up a late round pick for him.
Your (b) option isn't quite correct. He is not a vested veteran. He is only entering his 4th year. He needs to accrue 4 years to be considered a vested veteran. If he is released, he is exposed to waivers in which case whomever claims him get him at the salary that remains on his current contract. If he was a vested veteran, then he would become a FA free to sign and negotiate a new contract.
Correction noted, thank you, but that does require another team to be willing to take on his $2.4M salary. And if that team is out there, hopefully the Giants can get them to fork over a 6th or 7th round pick before it comes down to that.
I felt Manning, JPP, Jenkins, Oliver, Flowers, Apple and Collins needed to be moved they are just not part of the changes this team needs going forward. As camps are starting they still have six of the troubled seven not a good thing. Now it seems we may even have to add OBJ to make it a solid eight but now is the time to do it don't waste another year dreaming.
I felt Manning, JPP, Jenkins, Oliver, Flowers, Apple and Collins needed to be moved they are just not part of the changes this team needs going forward. As camps are starting they still have six of the troubled seven not a good thing. Now it seems we may even have to add OBJ to make it a solid eight but now is the time to do it don't waste another year dreaming.
I would highly suggest not doing that until we see how they perform under the new regime. I personally liked the JPP move. Flowers and Apple you can make great arguments to move on. Jenkins Oliver and Collins are all pro caliber players, i would not be in a rush to move any of them just yet. Especially Collins, but he does need to tone down the public talk of the locker room. I think he will. Gettleman and Shula do not seem like the type to let that fly. As for Eli, it made sense to keep him this year. No money saved and if you do pick a qb at 2 you want him to sit and learn.
I felt Manning, JPP, Jenkins, Oliver, Flowers, Apple and Collins needed to be moved they are just not part of the changes this team needs going forward. As camps are starting they still have six of the troubled seven not a good thing. Now it seems we may even have to add OBJ to make it a solid eight but now is the time to do it don't waste another year dreaming.
Gettleman's comment "you don't give up on talent" was a brilliant opening salvo in re-engaging with this group including OBJ. I liked the JPP trade very much as the contract never made any sense to begin. I was hoping we could restructure DRC's contract, but yesterday's news on his hotel party suggests your opinion to cut chord makes the most sense there. I do agree that it is time to give up on Flowers, but then that would not conflict with Gettleman's statement.
But everyone else you have listed is a pro bowl caliber player and I believe their problems last year were primarily due to McAdoo's failed leadership. I am confident they will perform at a very high level in 2018 with Shurmur, Shula and Bettcher at the helm...
Not enough info for the stupid white judgments being expressed
What if he is working with a private coach on his technique, which has always been the issue with him?
Or what if he is doing what might be smart for him (if he doesn't want the position change) which is clearing the way politically for the new regime to sever ties early? It may well be the smartest thing he can do for his career.
The first two weeks of the off-season program (Phase-1) are limited to strength and conditioning and physical rehabilitation only. The following three weeks (Phase-2), teams are allowed on-field workouts, individual player instruction and drills and team practice. Even if he is on a strict personal work out regimen, it looks really bad for him to not be there with his team. If he doesn't show up for Phase-2, I would cut him the first time he screws up when 2018 camp starts in the fall. He has never lived up to his lofty draft status and last year we found he may becoming a cancer in the locker room. I'm pulling for him to be an awesome RT, but if this shit continues, I'm all for cutting out the cancer at the first opportunity.
and I therefore can't know for a fact that this is symptomatic of Flowers' general lack of effort, but I still think that this is symptomatic of Flowers' general lack of effort.
They cant cut him. Due to cap hit.
DG wanted him gone when he got here.
I don't know the facts of the situation. Flowers my have a very good reason for not being there with his team, or maybe not. If this is being done out of spite or due to an overall lack of dedication and effort, then $4.5M in dead cap may be worth it to rid the team of a cancer.
They cant cut him. Due to cap hit. DG wanted him gone when he got here.
Meh. The dead cap is $2.2MM in unamortized bonus plus any difference between his scheduled salary of $2.4MM and whatever he actually makes with a new team. So - elaborating on Milton's post above - the cap hit could be as low as $2.2MM if Flowers is claimed on waivers with his current contract. It could be around $3.9MM if he clears waivers, signs for the minimum salary of $705K and winds up making exactly that much. The maximum dead-money hit is the full $4.6MM; that would require him being out of the league altogether, which seems unlikely. There are far worse backup tackles in the NFL.
There's no acceleration of money owed for subsequent years, because 2018 is the final season of his contract. Even if the Giants had exercised his fifth-year option, that money would only be guaranteed against injury.
There's a decent chance he would be claimed, because $2.4MM isn't even starter money. But assuming he cleared waivers, he would probably get something above the minimum. There's no particular significance to the minimum salary (other than to set an absolute floor), because a fourth-year pro like Flowers doesn't qualify for cap relief on a vet-min deal. A further complication is the high likelihood of playing-time incentives on any new contract.
Bottom line: figure on a dead-money hit of around $3MM, with net 2018 cap savings around $1.5MM. In other words, the cap isn't an issue at all. If the Giants want to jettison Flowers, they can do it. Of course, they will need another tackle to replace him, but that's less a cap problem than a possible "Wheeler and Bisnowaty suck" problem.
IMO
Dragon : 4/10/2018 1:20 am : link : reply
I felt Manning, JPP, Jenkins, Oliver, Flowers, Apple and Collins needed to be moved they are just not part of the changes this team needs going forward. As camps are starting they still have six of the troubled seven not a good thing. Now it seems we may even have to add OBJ to make it a solid eight but now is the time to do it don't waste another year dreaming.
You want Jenkins and Collins gone??
Some of you guys are just fucking moronic. On what planet is getting rid of some of the best defensive players advisable?
why he did not attend yet is ominous two days later. Thought something would have leaked by how from the team or someone. This is a big deal with the draft right around the corner and the shape of our OL now.
They cant cut him. Due to cap hit. DG wanted him gone when he got here.
Meh. The dead cap is $2.2MM in unamortized bonus plus any difference between his scheduled salary of $2.4MM and whatever he actually makes with a new team. So - elaborating on Milton's post above - the cap hit could be as low as $2.2MM if Flowers is claimed on waivers with his current contract. It could be around $3.9MM if he clears waivers, signs for the minimum salary of $705K and winds up making exactly that much. The maximum dead-money hit is the full $4.6MM; that would require him being out of the league altogether, which seems unlikely. There are far worse backup tackles in the NFL.
There's no acceleration of money owed for subsequent years, because 2018 is the final season of his contract. Even if the Giants had exercised his fifth-year option, that money would only be guaranteed against injury.
There's a decent chance he would be claimed, because $2.4MM isn't even starter money. But assuming he cleared waivers, he would probably get something above the minimum. There's no particular significance to the minimum salary (other than to set an absolute floor), because a fourth-year pro like Flowers doesn't qualify for cap relief on a vet-min deal. A further complication is the high likelihood of playing-time incentives on any new contract.
Bottom line: figure on a dead-money hit of around $3MM, with net 2018 cap savings around $1.5MM. In other words, the cap isn't an issue at all. If the Giants want to jettison Flowers, they can do it. Of course, they will need another tackle to replace him, but that's less a cap problem than a possible "Wheeler and Bisnowaty suck" problem.
According to "Over the Cap", Flowers has a $4.5 hit to the 2018 salary cap, all of which is guaranteed and would be counted as dead money if he is cut ($2.4M in guaranteed salary, $2.18M in prorated bonus). If correct, there is no salary cap savings if he is cut. OverTheCap - Ereck Flowers - ( New Window )
They cant cut him. Due to cap hit. DG wanted him gone when he got here.
Meh. The dead cap is $2.2MM in unamortized bonus plus any difference between his scheduled salary of $2.4MM and whatever he actually makes with a new team. So - elaborating on Milton's post above - the cap hit could be as low as $2.2MM if Flowers is claimed on waivers with his current contract. It could be around $3.9MM if he clears waivers, signs for the minimum salary of $705K and winds up making exactly that much. The maximum dead-money hit is the full $4.6MM; that would require him being out of the league altogether, which seems unlikely. There are far worse backup tackles in the NFL.
There's no acceleration of money owed for subsequent years, because 2018 is the final season of his contract. Even if the Giants had exercised his fifth-year option, that money would only be guaranteed against injury.
There's a decent chance he would be claimed, because $2.4MM isn't even starter money. But assuming he cleared waivers, he would probably get something above the minimum. There's no particular significance to the minimum salary (other than to set an absolute floor), because a fourth-year pro like Flowers doesn't qualify for cap relief on a vet-min deal. A further complication is the high likelihood of playing-time incentives on any new contract.
Bottom line: figure on a dead-money hit of around $3MM, with net 2018 cap savings around $1.5MM. In other words, the cap isn't an issue at all. If the Giants want to jettison Flowers, they can do it. Of course, they will need another tackle to replace him, but that's less a cap problem than a possible "Wheeler and Bisnowaty suck" problem.
According to "Over the Cap", Flowers has a $4.5 hit to the 2018 salary cap, all of which is guaranteed and would be counted as dead money if he is cut ($2.4M in guaranteed salary, $2.18M in prorated bonus). If correct, there is no salary cap savings if he is cut. OverTheCap - Ereck Flowers - ( New Window )
Never-mind, I should have read your hole post.
RE: RE: Trade him - maybe we can improve our Rd 2 draft position into
LOL!
Sheesh...
Id at least like to hear if he communicated with the coaches about not being there. Entirely possible he had some other personal commitment and will be there tomorrow or something.
Still not a good look...new coach, new position, youd think a professional would plan his offseason personal commitments around OTAs.
But I guess not, because Flowers...
done, given, or acting of one's own free will.
"we are funded by voluntary contributions"
synonyms: optional, discretionary, elective, noncompulsory, volitional; permissive
"attendance is voluntary"
We can only hope and pray that Wheeler and Bisnowaty are making great progress...
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Not only did OT Ereck Flowers not show for day one of #Giants workouts, confirming @art_stapleton report. But Flowers was the only player on the roster not there today, per source.
Hang him first. Ask questions later.
Sheesh...
Its possible. Still needed to vent even if premature!
What a clown.
Time to say good bye.
The guy's problem isn't weightlifting. They can't put him to work on technique yet. Strength and conditioning is not where he needs work.
Yes, I want to know if it was excused/expected for a decent reason. But in the absence of that? Thin ice just sprung a huge crack.
If it's that important, feel free to blame the owners for approving that part of the labor agreement. Make it mandatory. They didn't, for whatever reason. Likely, because they traded it for the right to keep more revenue. So how important is it?
Not a good look for Flowers. Does he want to be cut? Does he want out? Maybe that's it.
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A word used to placate the league when describing events that you're expected to show up for, especially when your job is on the line
If it's that important, feel free to blame the owners for approving that part of the labor agreement. Make it mandatory. They didn't, for whatever reason. Likely, because they traded it for the right to keep more revenue. So how important is it?
I blame everyone- the players for insisting on a sissy offseason/training camp schedule and the owners for ratifying it. But mostly, I blame Flowers for being a dumbass
Yes, I want to know if it was excused/expected for a decent reason. But in the absence of that? Thin ice just sprung a huge crack.
this
was there an explanation or excusused given yet?
See ya!
In comment 13906997 Bill in UT said:
That made me chuckle
Did he use up his college eligibility?
Haha, zing!
It's one thing if it's someone like Michael Strahan. But when you're Ereck Flowers, you should be there unless you have a damn good reason not to be.
a) suffer through minicamps and training camp with a malcontent that only does what is minimally required and brings down the energy in the OL room
b) release him
c) trade him to a team that is weak at the left tackle position and has the cap room and draft picks for it to make sense.
If they choose (b), Flowers gets to eat his cake and have it, too. Not only does he still get paid, but he gets to choose his next team. And depending on whether or not there is offset language in his rookie contract, he might even make an extra million bucks, give or take a few hundred K. So (c) is the option we should all be rooting for and I don't think it's a pipe dream to believe there is a team out there willing to give up a late round pick for him.
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the best thing would be if we could find a willing trade partner.
There are teams with both plenty of cap room and extra late round draft picks that might feel he is worth the $2.4M in salary as an experienced left tackle. It might not be something that happens until the middle of day three, but I don't think he is long for the team and whatever they can get in return is worth subtracting his guaranteed salary from their salary cap dollars.
I agree with you Milton and some other team will probably pay him a lot of money too the way they are throwing around money for OL ..... It seems like these guys dont even have to play well in theyre contract year anymore look at Richburg and Pugh.......
a) suffer through minicamps and training camp with a malcontent that only does what is minimally required and brings down the energy in the OL room
b) release him
c) trade him to a team that is weak at the left tackle position and has the cap room and draft picks for it to make sense.
If they choose (b), Flowers gets to eat his cake and have it, too. Not only does he still get paid, but he gets to choose his next team. And depending on whether or not there is offset language in his rookie contract, he might even make an extra million bucks, give or take a few hundred K. So (c) is the option we should all be rooting for and I don't think it's a pipe dream to believe there is a team out there willing to give up a late round pick for him.
Your (b) option isn't quite correct. He is not a vested veteran. He is only entering his 4th year. He needs to accrue 4 years to be considered a vested veteran. If he is released, he is exposed to waivers in which case whomever claims him get him at the salary that remains on his current contract. If he was a vested veteran, then he would become a FA free to sign and negotiate a new contract.
These scenarios are where Lil Bill takes advantage of the rules. He claims these lost causes only for them to walk in FA. The Pats in turn get a comp pick for only keeping a guy on the roster for a year.
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But his guaranteed salary gives him plenty of leverage if he doesn't want to switch to the right side of the line. The Giants have three choices, they could..
a) suffer through minicamps and training camp with a malcontent that only does what is minimally required and brings down the energy in the OL room
b) release him
c) trade him to a team that is weak at the left tackle position and has the cap room and draft picks for it to make sense.
If they choose (b), Flowers gets to eat his cake and have it, too. Not only does he still get paid, but he gets to choose his next team. And depending on whether or not there is offset language in his rookie contract, he might even make an extra million bucks, give or take a few hundred K. So (c) is the option we should all be rooting for and I don't think it's a pipe dream to believe there is a team out there willing to give up a late round pick for him.
Your (b) option isn't quite correct. He is not a vested veteran. He is only entering his 4th year. He needs to accrue 4 years to be considered a vested veteran. If he is released, he is exposed to waivers in which case whomever claims him get him at the salary that remains on his current contract. If he was a vested veteran, then he would become a FA free to sign and negotiate a new contract.
He will not win the starting job and may be out of the league before the regular season at this rate.
I would highly suggest not doing that until we see how they perform under the new regime. I personally liked the JPP move. Flowers and Apple you can make great arguments to move on. Jenkins Oliver and Collins are all pro caliber players, i would not be in a rush to move any of them just yet. Especially Collins, but he does need to tone down the public talk of the locker room. I think he will. Gettleman and Shula do not seem like the type to let that fly. As for Eli, it made sense to keep him this year. No money saved and if you do pick a qb at 2 you want him to sit and learn.
Gettleman's comment "you don't give up on talent" was a brilliant opening salvo in re-engaging with this group including OBJ. I liked the JPP trade very much as the contract never made any sense to begin. I was hoping we could restructure DRC's contract, but yesterday's news on his hotel party suggests your opinion to cut chord makes the most sense there. I do agree that it is time to give up on Flowers, but then that would not conflict with Gettleman's statement.
But everyone else you have listed is a pro bowl caliber player and I believe their problems last year were primarily due to McAdoo's failed leadership. I am confident they will perform at a very high level in 2018 with Shurmur, Shula and Bettcher at the helm...
Or what if he is doing what might be smart for him (if he doesn't want the position change) which is clearing the way politically for the new regime to sever ties early? It may well be the smartest thing he can do for his career.
DG wanted him gone when he got here.
by offering someone everyone pretty much considers a slug.. and one that needs a new contract?? how attractive is that ?
DG wanted him gone when he got here.
There's no acceleration of money owed for subsequent years, because 2018 is the final season of his contract. Even if the Giants had exercised his fifth-year option, that money would only be guaranteed against injury.
There's a decent chance he would be claimed, because $2.4MM isn't even starter money. But assuming he cleared waivers, he would probably get something above the minimum. There's no particular significance to the minimum salary (other than to set an absolute floor), because a fourth-year pro like Flowers doesn't qualify for cap relief on a vet-min deal. A further complication is the high likelihood of playing-time incentives on any new contract.
Bottom line: figure on a dead-money hit of around $3MM, with net 2018 cap savings around $1.5MM. In other words, the cap isn't an issue at all. If the Giants want to jettison Flowers, they can do it. Of course, they will need another tackle to replace him, but that's less a cap problem than a possible "Wheeler and Bisnowaty suck" problem.
Dragon : 4/10/2018 1:20 am : link : reply
I felt Manning, JPP, Jenkins, Oliver, Flowers, Apple and Collins needed to be moved they are just not part of the changes this team needs going forward. As camps are starting they still have six of the troubled seven not a good thing. Now it seems we may even have to add OBJ to make it a solid eight but now is the time to do it don't waste another year dreaming.
You want Jenkins and Collins gone??
Some of you guys are just fucking moronic. On what planet is getting rid of some of the best defensive players advisable?
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They cant cut him. Due to cap hit. DG wanted him gone when he got here.
Meh. The dead cap is $2.2MM in unamortized bonus plus any difference between his scheduled salary of $2.4MM and whatever he actually makes with a new team. So - elaborating on Milton's post above - the cap hit could be as low as $2.2MM if Flowers is claimed on waivers with his current contract. It could be around $3.9MM if he clears waivers, signs for the minimum salary of $705K and winds up making exactly that much. The maximum dead-money hit is the full $4.6MM; that would require him being out of the league altogether, which seems unlikely. There are far worse backup tackles in the NFL.
There's no acceleration of money owed for subsequent years, because 2018 is the final season of his contract. Even if the Giants had exercised his fifth-year option, that money would only be guaranteed against injury.
There's a decent chance he would be claimed, because $2.4MM isn't even starter money. But assuming he cleared waivers, he would probably get something above the minimum. There's no particular significance to the minimum salary (other than to set an absolute floor), because a fourth-year pro like Flowers doesn't qualify for cap relief on a vet-min deal. A further complication is the high likelihood of playing-time incentives on any new contract.
Bottom line: figure on a dead-money hit of around $3MM, with net 2018 cap savings around $1.5MM. In other words, the cap isn't an issue at all. If the Giants want to jettison Flowers, they can do it. Of course, they will need another tackle to replace him, but that's less a cap problem than a possible "Wheeler and Bisnowaty suck" problem.
OverTheCap - Ereck Flowers - ( New Window )
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They cant cut him. Due to cap hit. DG wanted him gone when he got here.
Meh. The dead cap is $2.2MM in unamortized bonus plus any difference between his scheduled salary of $2.4MM and whatever he actually makes with a new team. So - elaborating on Milton's post above - the cap hit could be as low as $2.2MM if Flowers is claimed on waivers with his current contract. It could be around $3.9MM if he clears waivers, signs for the minimum salary of $705K and winds up making exactly that much. The maximum dead-money hit is the full $4.6MM; that would require him being out of the league altogether, which seems unlikely. There are far worse backup tackles in the NFL.
There's no acceleration of money owed for subsequent years, because 2018 is the final season of his contract. Even if the Giants had exercised his fifth-year option, that money would only be guaranteed against injury.
There's a decent chance he would be claimed, because $2.4MM isn't even starter money. But assuming he cleared waivers, he would probably get something above the minimum. There's no particular significance to the minimum salary (other than to set an absolute floor), because a fourth-year pro like Flowers doesn't qualify for cap relief on a vet-min deal. A further complication is the high likelihood of playing-time incentives on any new contract.
Bottom line: figure on a dead-money hit of around $3MM, with net 2018 cap savings around $1.5MM. In other words, the cap isn't an issue at all. If the Giants want to jettison Flowers, they can do it. Of course, they will need another tackle to replace him, but that's less a cap problem than a possible "Wheeler and Bisnowaty suck" problem.
According to "Over the Cap", Flowers has a $4.5 hit to the 2018 salary cap, all of which is guaranteed and would be counted as dead money if he is cut ($2.4M in guaranteed salary, $2.18M in prorated bonus). If correct, there is no salary cap savings if he is cut. OverTheCap - Ereck Flowers - ( New Window )
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Rd 1 by offering him up
by offering someone everyone pretty much considers a slug.. and one that needs a new contract?? how attractive is that ?
He's a former first round pick, and has been a starter for his time here at LT. Yes, that is worth something to someone.
Range of value is somewhere between a six pack of beer and 2022 7th round pick...