Marcus Mosher
@Marcus_Mosher
Just now on NFL Network, @MoveTheSticks said that "people that know people inside the Browns" fully expect Josh Allen to be the pick at No.1.
7:35 PM · Apr 9, 2018
Here is a full article by Browns Wire from USA Today on it
If we believe the rumors then: Giants go Darnold?
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When the Giants select Josh Rosen
I believe Colin when he says the owners flying to LA to
Interview Rosen with 8 man contingency was a big tell
And Mara sent Jerry Reese out to see him before he got fired.......
Maybe but Mara didn’t fly to LA. That was misreported. Tisch was there but Mara was not.
I don't think so. Josh Rosen is the one that said he was at dinner.
Two step this was predicted by the 2 sports announcers at the
Wyoming bowl game last year they were saying all game that they thought he was going to Cleveland so I’m not surprised.....
If DG wants to go safe and compete now this is the move. Taking a QB here could be career suicide because the team will be tops mediocre until the QB is ready and if the QB busts its over for DG. The NFL is not a 5 year wait and see. DG very well knows that if they don't compete now his job is in jeopardy.
Again this is not madden where you can be patient and this is not fantasy football where you draft need. This is the Not For Long league and if you mess around drafting insurance policies, which is pretty much what drafting a QB at 2 is doing, then you're putting a lot of faith that the QB you get will be a franchise QB and not in 2-3 years possibly next year.
The right move is to draft Barkley, compete for the playoffs the next 2 years with one of the most dynamic offenses in the league, and develop Webb. Win-Win-Win.
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In comment 13907357 NikkiMac said:
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When the Giants select Josh Rosen
I believe Colin when he says the owners flying to LA to
Interview Rosen with 8 man contingency was a big tell
And Mara sent Jerry Reese out to see him before he got fired.......
Maybe but Mara didn’t fly to LA. That was misreported. Tisch was there but Mara was not.
I don't think so. Josh Rosen is the one that said he was at dinner.
He misspoke. It was Chris Mara, not John Mara
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Either way they had a ton of people out for a dinner with him.
I don't either. Sportswriters that follow the Browns on a regular basis, like Mary Kay Cabot don't believe it either. Darnold will be the Browns pick.
Either way they had a ton of people out for a dinner with him.
Sounds like a guy whose main focus isn't football. Oh wait thats one of the red flags on him. Hmmmmmm
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I don't buy it for a second.
I don't either. Sportswriters that follow the Browns on a regular basis, like Mary Kay Cabot don't believe it either. Darnold will be the Browns pick.
They've been saying its gonna be Allen for the Browns for a couple of months now. I'm with you I can't see it. Way too much of a risk for the Browns.
I don't believe you.
Either way they had a ton of people out for a dinner with him.
After the interview NYG beat writers said John Mara was not there. This was clarified day of the quote, but nation figures continue to misrepresent this. Also, Yesterday on Big Blue Kickoff Live the hosts said John Mara had not gone out to meet Rosen. Either way, the Giants certainly sent a ton of top brass to see Rosen. Plus we are in the lying season.
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He's a very very smart person. It'd be very hard to confuse the owner of the team for the VP of Player Evaluation. Especially since during the interview Rosen's people were correcting things that Rich Eisen said. I would think they would have corrected that. Pretty big difference.
Either way they had a ton of people out for a dinner with him.
Sounds like a guy whose main focus isn't football. Oh wait thats one of the red flags on him. Hmmmmmm
Holy shit you're annoying. Give it a fucking rest.
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In comment 13907368 Big Rick in FL said:
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He's a very very smart person. It'd be very hard to confuse the owner of the team for the VP of Player Evaluation. Especially since during the interview Rosen's people were correcting things that Rich Eisen said. I would think they would have corrected that. Pretty big difference.
Either way they had a ton of people out for a dinner with him.
Sounds like a guy whose main focus isn't football. Oh wait thats one of the red flags on him. Hmmmmmm
Holy shit you're annoying. Give it a fucking rest.
In other words even you can't defend the manifestation of this very well known red flag.
Here we go with the Super Bowl talking point. How can you say that when the team that just won the super bowl was led by Nick Foles and played by a QB drafted in the 6th round? Or that LeGarette Blount probably would've been a 1st round pick had he not had his issues?
As I've said if they really really believe the franchise QB is there then they should get him. But without the knowledge of the future, taking one of these QB's is extremely risky because they have tremendous red flags and could easily bust all over the place.
This is about risk analysis. If DG wants to roll the dice he can but I don't think any one of you would take that much of a risk if your job and reputation, on display for the country to see, was on the line.
It'll be put to rest when they select Darnold which I fully expect and also come away with Barkley at 4.
If DG wants to go safe and compete now this is the move. Taking a QB here could be career suicide because the team will be tops mediocre until the QB is ready and if the QB busts its over for DG. The NFL is not a 5 year wait and see. DG very well knows that if they don't compete now his job is in jeopardy.
Again this is not madden where you can be patient and this is not fantasy football where you draft need. This is the Not For Long league and if you mess around drafting insurance policies, which is pretty much what drafting a QB at 2 is doing, then you're putting a lot of faith that the QB you get will be a franchise QB and not in 2-3 years possibly next year.
The right move is to draft Barkley, compete for the playoffs the next 2 years with one of the most dynamic offenses in the league, and develop Webb. Win-Win-Win.
There's no logic behind any of this post.
Taking a RB 2 would be the Madden/fantasy football version you're alluding to
This is a question about the next 15 years of Giants football. Darnold is the guy I want - He's a guy I can envision winning a playoff game for you.
Unless Davis Webb is something this staff feels right now can start and be at least an average starter then you go get Darnold.
Allen's accuracy, Rosen's health, and Baker being baker scare me off slightly from those 3.
I just can't see Cleveland passing on Darnold on the upside of Allen. Sure his accuracy has improved during the pre-draft process, but what about in game time - will he revert to form? Accuracy is not easy to correct.
Make it happen Cleveland go get Allen.
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In comment 13907371 Zepp said:
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In comment 13907368 Big Rick in FL said:
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He's a very very smart person. It'd be very hard to confuse the owner of the team for the VP of Player Evaluation. Especially since during the interview Rosen's people were correcting things that Rich Eisen said. I would think they would have corrected that. Pretty big difference.
Either way they had a ton of people out for a dinner with him.
Sounds like a guy whose main focus isn't football. Oh wait thats one of the red flags on him. Hmmmmmm
Holy shit you're annoying. Give it a fucking rest.
In other words even you can't defend the manifestation of this very well known red flag.
No it's just that you are a fucking idiot and I don't want to read your dumb posts everytime a QB discussion happens on this board. Especially when they are just flat out wrong. I've talked to many of his former teammates that are in the NFL. Both offensive & defensive players. They've all basically laughed at the notion that he doesn't love football yet was the first one there and last to leave while getting destroyed for 3 years. All stated he was a great teammate and a leader to the team even with horrible coaching and changes to the OC all 3 years he was there. Nope not gonna listen to them!, but yup instead I'm going to listen to Zepp like he has any fucking clue what's going on.
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thinking as to who the Giants are going to select at #2, please listen to the Ourlads scout who is very familiar with DG, as DG used to be a scout along with him. Listen to minute 47 of the podcast on on Big Blue Kickoff 04/09/18 at Giants.com. Very interesting opinion on who he would take and who he thinks DG should take.
Where can I find this?
(No. I don't watch college football. Please educate me.)
If you dontwagch college football what have you seen of him?
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From what I've seen of him he doesn't look that good
(No. I don't watch college football. Please educate me.)
He certainly has good qualities. He has ideal QB size, pretty good athleticism for a guy his size - he's a competitor. Not pinpoint accurate, but accurate enough - can make all NFL throws. Has a very even demeanor. He doesn't seem to get shaken up by a negative play or a mistake (I've said many times that he reminds me of Eli a lot in this regard)
The concerns with Darnold are the turnovers. Way too many fumbles and INT's (again.. reminds me of Eli)
Also don't love the mechanics. He has a wind up type throw and a long release. Rosen's mechanics by comparison are much more polished.
Also the team - it's no secret that SC QB's haven't fared well in recent history.
From Leinart to Sanchez to Matt Barkley.... all of these guys were fairly highly touted prospects. None panned out.
The offense they run is basically all out of the gun, so he doesn't have much experience under center.
I personally feel Rosen is the better player. But the injury concerns there are real.
Darnold is like a moose. He'll be more durable in the NFL and has the body type to withstand taking some hits.
I won't be mad if we take him - but there's definitely bust potential. He's not can't miss.
Love the intangibles and think he can absolutely handle New York and the expectations and all that. But I'm still a bit iffy on the player
I do think Darnold is safer than Allen, FWIW.
Great analysis. I wouldn't hate the pick, but I'd prefer not to take Darnold or any QB at #2. And that has nothing to do with Webb. I just don't think any QB is worth that pick. Darnold has bad mechanics. In addition to his loopy throwing motion, his upper and lower body are frequently not in sync when he throws. He steps before he throws, which causes many of his passes to sail.
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In comment 13907317 Joey in VA said:
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I don't buy it for a second.
I don't either. Sportswriters that follow the Browns on a regular basis, like Mary Kay Cabot don't believe it either. Darnold will be the Browns pick.
They've been saying its gonna be Allen for the Browns for a couple of months now. I'm with you I can't see it. Way too much of a risk for the Browns.
Agreed. Allen is too much of a risk given their QB situation for years.
That franchise is career killing!
This team needs a rebuild which is why drafting a quarterback makes sense.
It's Allen/Rosen as 1-2.
jt, that's the first I've read you state a QB to NYG. Did you hear something recently?
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In comment 13907314 Route 9 said:
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From what I've seen of him he doesn't look that good
(No. I don't watch college football. Please educate me.)
He certainly has good qualities. He has ideal QB size, pretty good athleticism for a guy his size - he's a competitor. Not pinpoint accurate, but accurate enough - can make all NFL throws. Has a very even demeanor. He doesn't seem to get shaken up by a negative play or a mistake (I've said many times that he reminds me of Eli a lot in this regard)
The concerns with Darnold are the turnovers. Way too many fumbles and INT's (again.. reminds me of Eli)
Also don't love the mechanics. He has a wind up type throw and a long release. Rosen's mechanics by comparison are much more polished.
Also the team - it's no secret that SC QB's haven't fared well in recent history.
From Leinart to Sanchez to Matt Barkley.... all of these guys were fairly highly touted prospects. None panned out.
The offense they run is basically all out of the gun, so he doesn't have much experience under center.
I personally feel Rosen is the better player. But the injury concerns there are real.
Darnold is like a moose. He'll be more durable in the NFL and has the body type to withstand taking some hits.
I won't be mad if we take him - but there's definitely bust potential. He's not can't miss.
Love the intangibles and think he can absolutely handle New York and the expectations and all that. But I'm still a bit iffy on the player
I do think Darnold is safer than Allen, FWIW.
Great analysis. I wouldn't hate the pick, but I'd prefer not to take Darnold or any QB at #2. And that has nothing to do with Webb. I just don't think any QB is worth that pick. Darnold has bad mechanics. In addition to his loopy throwing motion, his upper and lower body are frequently not in sync when he throws. He steps before he throws, which causes many of his passes to sail.
It's sort of a tough class - it's rare to have a group like this where you have so many guys in the mix at the top of the draft. Any of Allen/Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield can go top 5... or even top 3. And there's really no clear cut "best QB" in the group.
Everyone has major pluses and some fairly worrisome minuses.
I could see any of the 4 being great and I could just as easily see any of the 4 completely bombing.
To me, Allen presents the biggest on field risk and Rosen presents the biggest injury risk. Yet those are the two guys that I think have the highest ceilings. I'm torn on Mayfield. It's not the height that bothers me. But some of the personality stuff does.
It's all just paralysis by analysis at this point. The draft can't come soon enough - I just want to see who we pick so we can focus on that player / the other players we take.
If you listen to yesterday's Big Blue Kickoff Podcasts with the Ourlads scout speaking with John Schelk and Paul Dottino, he referenced that Dorsey likes to play games.
If you listen to yesterday's Big Blue Kickoff Podcasts with the Ourlads scout speaking with John Schelk and Paul Dottino, he referenced that Dorsey likes to play games.
Sounds right. Even if you like Allen, why take him with the 1st pick when he's likely to be there at 4?
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Allen is the biggest bust risk to me. This would be a typical Browns move, I thought Dorsey would be smart er than that. Of course, this could all be smoke.
If you listen to yesterday's Big Blue Kickoff Podcasts with the Ourlads scout speaking with John Schelk and Paul Dottino, he referenced that Dorsey likes to play games.
Or Rosen 1st and Allen next. That’s the way it will go.
You don't think it would be the Giants taking Allen at 2nd in that scenario, do you? Are you predicting a trade-down to another interested team?
That franchise is career killing!
The Browns probably want Tyrod Taylor to absorb the punishment next year while their drafted QB sits. So if they feel Allen is the best talent but he needs a year of development, they're already set up for that.
Doesn’t matter the team at 1 or 2. Those are the top 2 guys.
Guessing if starts with pick 3. My guess is Mayfield.
I don't either.
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the Giants taking Allen, but who knows.
I don't either.
Me neither.
Unless... like I said in another thread... they expect Eli to stick around for another year+ so that he has time to be groomed. But I don’t see it.