Listening to the opening drive with Papa and Weis this morning. Papa asked Weis which QB does he think has the greatest bust potential in the top group of QB’s this year. He said Rosen within seconds. Next was Allen due to potential accuracy issues.
Doesn’t know anything about QBs.... Josh Rosen lobbyists
He's had no shortage of head coaching jobs. What QBs did he ever develop into even college QBs. I thought we were past the point where people thought he was some kind of QB guru.
Doesn’t know anything about QBs.... Josh Rosen lobbyists
He's had no shortage of head coaching jobs. What QBs did he ever develop into even college QBs. I thought we were past the point where people thought he was some kind of QB guru.
I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opInion.
I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opinion.
I agree, but at some point, it becomes speculation. Other QB gurus speak very highly of Rosen, so why does Weis's opinion matter more than theirs? And a lot depends on what it is that Weis doesn't like about Rosen. It could be concerns about injury, or desire, which may be fair points, but rely more on speculation since I doubt Weis has interviewed Rosen.
If there are mechanical issues, I would lend his concerns more credence, but even Rosen detractors acknowledge his technical precision.
I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opinion.
I agree, but at some point, it becomes speculation. Other QB gurus speak very highly of Rosen, so why does Weis's opinion matter more than theirs? And a lot depends on what it is that Weis doesn't like about Rosen. It could be concerns about injury, or desire, which may be fair points, but rely more on speculation since I doubt Weis has interviewed Rosen.
If there are mechanical issues, I would lend his concerns more credence, but even Rosen detractors acknowledge his technical precision.
His concern is the same as all of the others. Can’t stay healthy, only played one full college season without injury. Takes bad hits, etc. Doesn’t mean he isn’t great technically, but being great from a technical perspective only helps when you can stay on the field. There are two QB’s in today’s NFL that come to mind right away that are excellent, but take bad hits. One is Wentz, who really could have gotten hurt on many plays last year (not sliding when running, etc), and Andrew Luck. Luck is amazing, but who knows if he will play again and he was virtually injury free up until now. We already know Rosen can’t stay healthy and we know he takes big hits. Why risk this high of a pick on someone who already has had trouble staying on the field?
Then babbled about something about Giants being classy. And Jets "while still classy" need to go a different direction because the Giants are the primary team in the NY market.
Then babbled about something about Giants being classy. And Jets "while still classy" need to go a different direction because the Giants are the primary team in the NY market.
What the hell does that mean?
He mentioned this a few weeks ago as well. He feels Mayfield is too egotistical for the Giants. He liked Mayfield to the Jets because he feels that the team needs some kind of spark and that the franchise has had QB’s with big egos in the past, like Joe Namath. Just rehashing what he said recently.
He actually mentioned this guy in any way with a current prospect?
I think Mayfield is the 3rd best QB in the draft. Jets should draft him but it isn't about a mentality match with the Jets organization or anything to do with anybody who played 50 years ago.
He actually mentioned this guy in any way with a current prospect?
I think Mayfield is the 3rd best QB in the draft. Jets should draft him but it isn't about a mentality match with the Jets organization or anything to do with anybody who played 50 years ago.
It’s the showboat attitude that he was referring to, not their playing styles. The Jets are always viewed as the B team in NY. I think his point is a showboat like Mayfield if he pans out may bring more attention to the franchise (media coverage, jersey sales, etc).
I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opinion.
I agree, but at some point, it becomes speculation. Other QB gurus speak very highly of Rosen, so why does Weis's opinion matter more than theirs? And a lot depends on what it is that Weis doesn't like about Rosen. It could be concerns about injury, or desire, which may be fair points, but rely more on speculation since I doubt Weis has interviewed Rosen.
If there are mechanical issues, I would lend his concerns more credence, but even Rosen detractors acknowledge his technical precision.
OTOH, when those gurus speak highly of him, we have no hesitation here about re-posting their words and largely re-posting without critique or skepticism. A different critique like this one would seem to deserve no less.
is just simply atrocious. And it doesn't even matter if the analysis is coming from former players and coaches. So much of it is shallow, uninformed, contradictory, glib nonsense.
Can he play? yes or no? Thats the only thing that matters for the Jets or any other team.
Not saying I completely agree with him, but I kind of get where he is coming from. Some teams are willing to take risks on players (Cowboys, Raiders for example) and others are more conservative like the Giants. I would think Mayfield would be better off with a team a little more comfortable with risk.
because that was purely a money grab, but Weis was a tremendous play caller. One of the best. But he's never been renowned - at all - as a someone who can evaluate ANY talent. His success at Notre Dame was really with Tyrone Willingham's players. So he doesn't have a ton of credibility here...
because that was purely a money grab, but Weis was a tremendous play caller. One of the best. But he's never been renowned - at all - as a someone who can evaluate ANY talent. His success at Notre Dame was really with Tyrone Willingham's players. So he doesn't have a ton of credibility here...
I wouldn’t really call it a talent evaluation because he is not saying Rosen doesn’t have a good arm. His concern is that he could be a bust due to an inability to stay on the field, which isn’t really that far fetched given his injury history and the games he missed while at UCLA, including the most recent bowl game.
His concern is that he could be a bust due to an inability to stay on the field, which isn’t really that far fetched given his injury history and the games he missed while at UCLA, including the most recent bowl game.
If that is Weis' singular view on Rosen, then I agree. That is a major concern and could pull Rosen into the bust zone...
Everyone thinks Rosen has the highest floor and all ready to start Â
I almost think you have to take another 2nd or 3rd round QB, not this year since you have Eli still, but presumably next year. Almost like the Redskins taking Cousins and RGIII. I don’t think it is safe to roll with a guy like Rosen and have a Lorenzen/Josh Johnson type as your backup. This guy will undoubtedly miss time at some point given his track record. Unless Webb is solid, then you could potentially rely on him to save your season. Just ask the Eagles how important it is to have a good backup when your starter takes hits all the time.
That's actually really funny. Thank you for that laugh
Lol, seriously. I’m pretty sure this is the only fan base that seems to be so enamored with this guy.
But anyone sponsoring him would do well not to include dinner.
He's had no shortage of head coaching jobs. What QBs did he ever develop into even college QBs. I thought we were past the point where people thought he was some kind of QB guru.
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Doesn’t know anything about QBs.... Josh Rosen lobbyists
He's had no shortage of head coaching jobs. What QBs did he ever develop into even college QBs. I thought we were past the point where people thought he was some kind of QB guru.
I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opInion.
I agree, but at some point, it becomes speculation. Other QB gurus speak very highly of Rosen, so why does Weis's opinion matter more than theirs? And a lot depends on what it is that Weis doesn't like about Rosen. It could be concerns about injury, or desire, which may be fair points, but rely more on speculation since I doubt Weis has interviewed Rosen.
If there are mechanical issues, I would lend his concerns more credence, but even Rosen detractors acknowledge his technical precision.
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I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opinion.
I agree, but at some point, it becomes speculation. Other QB gurus speak very highly of Rosen, so why does Weis's opinion matter more than theirs? And a lot depends on what it is that Weis doesn't like about Rosen. It could be concerns about injury, or desire, which may be fair points, but rely more on speculation since I doubt Weis has interviewed Rosen.
If there are mechanical issues, I would lend his concerns more credence, but even Rosen detractors acknowledge his technical precision.
His concern is the same as all of the others. Can’t stay healthy, only played one full college season without injury. Takes bad hits, etc. Doesn’t mean he isn’t great technically, but being great from a technical perspective only helps when you can stay on the field. There are two QB’s in today’s NFL that come to mind right away that are excellent, but take bad hits. One is Wentz, who really could have gotten hurt on many plays last year (not sliding when running, etc), and Andrew Luck. Luck is amazing, but who knows if he will play again and he was virtually injury free up until now. We already know Rosen can’t stay healthy and we know he takes big hits. Why risk this high of a pick on someone who already has had trouble staying on the field?
Then babbled about something about Giants being classy. And Jets "while still classy" need to go a different direction because the Giants are the primary team in the NY market.
What the hell does that mean?
Then babbled about something about Giants being classy. And Jets "while still classy" need to go a different direction because the Giants are the primary team in the NY market.
What the hell does that mean?
He mentioned this a few weeks ago as well. He feels Mayfield is too egotistical for the Giants. He liked Mayfield to the Jets because he feels that the team needs some kind of spark and that the franchise has had QB’s with big egos in the past, like Joe Namath. Just rehashing what he said recently.
I think Mayfield is the 3rd best QB in the draft. Jets should draft him but it isn't about a mentality match with the Jets organization or anything to do with anybody who played 50 years ago.
I think Mayfield is the 3rd best QB in the draft. Jets should draft him but it isn't about a mentality match with the Jets organization or anything to do with anybody who played 50 years ago.
It’s the showboat attitude that he was referring to, not their playing styles. The Jets are always viewed as the B team in NY. I think his point is a showboat like Mayfield if he pans out may bring more attention to the franchise (media coverage, jersey sales, etc).
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I don’t think he is the greatest coach in the world but he probably knows a hell of a lot more than most of us in regard to football. Therefore, I do at the very least respect his opinion.
I agree, but at some point, it becomes speculation. Other QB gurus speak very highly of Rosen, so why does Weis's opinion matter more than theirs? And a lot depends on what it is that Weis doesn't like about Rosen. It could be concerns about injury, or desire, which may be fair points, but rely more on speculation since I doubt Weis has interviewed Rosen.
If there are mechanical issues, I would lend his concerns more credence, but even Rosen detractors acknowledge his technical precision.
Can he play? yes or no? Thats the only thing that matters for the Jets or any other team.
"Mentality match" and showboating? Doesn't count.
Can he play? yes or no? Thats the only thing that matters for the Jets or any other team.
Not saying I completely agree with him, but I kind of get where he is coming from. Some teams are willing to take risks on players (Cowboys, Raiders for example) and others are more conservative like the Giants. I would think Mayfield would be better off with a team a little more comfortable with risk.
I wouldn’t really call it a talent evaluation because he is not saying Rosen doesn’t have a good arm. His concern is that he could be a bust due to an inability to stay on the field, which isn’t really that far fetched given his injury history and the games he missed while at UCLA, including the most recent bowl game.
His concern is that he could be a bust due to an inability to stay on the field, which isn’t really that far fetched given his injury history and the games he missed while at UCLA, including the most recent bowl game.
If that is Weis' singular view on Rosen, then I agree. That is a major concern and could pull Rosen into the bust zone...
So yeah I guess one could say he has the highest bust potential if he doesn’t produce.