those losses are meaningless distant memories and
you're psyched with the #2.
I understand that argument of
"how you root doesn't affect the outcome of the game"
Sure, but it made a dreadful season have a rooting interest.
Had the same feeling in '03.
Get the pick, blow it all up, new coach, new QB.
Same feeling today.
Gallery vs a QB - trust in Mara to think long term
It may be a way to acquire more talented players, but it also breeds a losing mentality or - quit when things get hard.
(Which is conincidently, the type of player Gettleman doesn't want on this team according to his own words and the canning of Bobby Hart).
So, in the end - you might have a better player at 2 than you would have had a 6 (or maybe not) but your team will never win a championship.
we won a SB shortly after the '04 draft with many of the same guys from the '03 disaster season and a couple good drafts and signings. winning is contagious.
Rinse / Repeat
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You can hate seeing the team lose, root for them to play good football, AND understand that losses are more beneficial for the team.
Its not mutually exclusive IMO
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So, in the end - you might have a better player at 2 than you would have had a 6 (or maybe not) but your team will never win a championship.
we won a SB shortly after the '04 draft with many of the same guys from the '03 disaster season and a couple good drafts and signings. winning is contagious.
Rinse / Repeat
No we didn't. That was 3 or 4 years later. There were plenty of new players on that team that werent there in 2003, including the QB and many of the key players in that 2007 season (Tuck, Eli, Bradshaw, Smith, Burress, etc.) and it also took a change in attitude from the Head Coach.
I agree. As much as I knew losing would ultimately help the team, I couldn't watch the game and root for a loss.
With all the young quarterbacks coming out, wanted Giants to be in position to get one if they felt he was the guy.
I don't think it's the players so much as the upper management realizing they hit rock bottom and need to make major adjustments.
Because teams not drafting at 2 don't get a shot at a franchise QB.
It was excruciatingly difficult to watch and even discuss the same shit about how bad the team was on here during the season.
*the one exception would be the Smith game which, for the only time in 25+ years, I did not watch.
A critical aspect of coaching is instilling good habits and a winning attitude into your players. If at any point in that process you introduce tanking, all of your previous teachings and emphasis will be permanently nullified.
One of the biggest risks they’d face would be setting a precedent that could poison the entire team.
To clarify, the nature of professional athletes tends to be dominated by a common thread. Nearly every single NFL player worth anything is fueled by an incredible competitive edge. This edge allows them to survive and thrive under the pressure-filled spotlight that is the NFL.
Why NFL Teams Don't Take For Better Draft Position - ( New Window )
And looking back at the Broncos game, it wasn't like we turned the corner, they just looked like a team that was worse than us....
The Chiefs was a team that was imploding.....
And the final game was just two teams going through the motions....somebody had to win....
How's it working out for the Colts right now?
Maybe you'll stop being a fan once we give OBJ his mega deal.
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It's tough to be psyched about anything around the Giants.
Maybe you'll stop being a fan once we give OBJ his mega deal.
At this point I don't give a shit if we pay him or not.
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that could lead the team for 15 years versus winning 3 more games in what was the worst ever season for this franchise.
Because teams not drafting at 2 don't get a shot at a franchise QB.
Well yes, they do, but with only 1 team picking ahead of us - we have a larger pool of them to pick from then a team picking 20th.
Why would you want a larger player pool?
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It's tough to be psyched about anything around the Giants.
Maybe you'll stop being a fan once we give OBJ his mega deal.
At this point I don't give a shit if we pay him or not.
The rest of the games... I just couldn't do it. I wasn't that upset after they lost, but I wanted to see them win.
The Week 17 win against Washington made me nervous... until I saw that Indianapolis had won as well.
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that could lead the team for 15 years versus winning 3 more games in what was the worst ever season for this franchise.
Because teams not drafting at 2 don't get a shot at a franchise QB.
Well yes, they do, but with only 1 team picking ahead of us - we have a larger pool of them to pick from then a team picking 20th.
Why would you want a larger player pool?
Winning and losing games in the regular season should have absolutely nothing to do with the NFL draft. The size of the player pool in April is irrelevant.
This isn't some Madden video game. You can't take the human element out of it. Good luck getting players to listen to their head coach or show up for practice or take anything seriously when they are being told to lose games for the draft. If you think the personality issues on the team last year were an issue and that the entire season was a circus, wait and see what happens when they're actually given permission to act like clowns and take nothing seriously.
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tanking works.
How's it working out for the Colts right now?
That's a strange comment. Seems like the Colts are more in a bind because their franchise QB got seriously injured, following the last time their franchise QB got seriously injured.
And both times that happened they put resources immediately into finding a replacement or suitable fill-in.
I'm the same way.
Otherwise, why even pay attention?
I think it makes more sense to simply walk away, and not watch, after 0-5 then to root against them.
It's called being a fan.
It was excruciatingly difficult to watch and even discuss the same shit about how bad the team was on here during the season.
2013 was a shit show to, only reason that team was competitive after starting 0-6 was because 4 straight games of facing back up QBs Josh Freeman Matt Barkley Terrelle Pryor and the packers without Rodgers that team was awful
the 2017 season had its shit-show of moments as well I guess for comparison, losing to a winless 49ers team, 50 burger by the Rams, shutout by the Cardinals on Christmas Eve, etc.. If i remember correctly, the Giants still had a decent shot to win a playoff spot if they would've beaten Dallas at home Thanksgiving weekend, the Giants went on a 4 game winning streak before the game. The 2017 team couldn't even win 4 games and the season was over the from the OBJ injury in Celeveland in preseason.
I guess 2017 was just draining and dragging on thanks to Philly's success and just got tired of looking at McAdoo and his arrogant moron look. I am ready to move forward.
I think it makes more sense to simply walk away, and not watch, after 0-5 then to root against them.
It's called being a fan.
Glad to see on this thread that there are still a few who agree with us.
Other games I didn't care, the ownership needed to be slapped in the face and wake up to what a chickensh*t outfit the Giants have become over the years.
Slick over Coughlin???
HIGHLY disagree...look what kamara did for New orleans. look what wentz did for philly in year two. look how zeke IMMEDIATELY made dallas VERY tough to beat. look how fournette made jax immediately better. look how a 3rd rounder in k hunt made KCs offense come flying out of the gate.
draft picks can have immediate impacts on your team.
that being said, i am disappointed how our season went but as it stands, im excited about the second pick and the chance to get a blue chip prospect!