Mets Lineup
Michael Conforto – RF
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Wilmer Flores – 1B
Todd Frazier – 3B
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Kevin Plawecki – C
Juan Lagares – CF
Jacob deGrom – P
Amed Rosario – SS
Marlins Lineup
Derek Dietrich – LF
Miguel Rojas – SS
Starlin Castro – 2B
Justin Bour – 1B
Brian Anderson – 3B
Lewis Brinson – CF
Braxton Lee – RF
Bryan Holaday – C
Caleb Smith – P
Nimmo demoted. Oswalt up. Hopefully, temporarily.
That's still the plan. The Mets bullpen is a little bit gassed since the starters aren't going deep into games, so Callaway thinks they could use an extra arm for a little bit. Nimmo also hasn't gotten too many ABs since Conforto has come up, so makes sense to use one of his options and get him some regular time in AAA.
I'm fine with the move.
"Viewed like this, no one has had a more encouraging or productive start than the 8-1 Mets. The Mets’ chances of making the playoffs, according to us, have gone up 24 percentage points already. It’s not just that Noah Syndergaard looks good and healthy. It’s not just that Jacob deGrom looks good and healthy. The bullpen has been outstanding, Michael Conforto is back and hitting the crap out of the ball way ahead of schedule, and the club recently wrapped up a three-game road sweep of the Nationals. The Mets are 3.5 games ahead of the Nationals, today. They used to be projected 8.2 games worse. The gap has narrowed considerably. It’s never too soon to sweep your main rival."
"But in any post like this, it’s almost obligatory to mention the gambler’s fallacy. An underachieving team shouldn’t be expected to suddenly overachieve, in order to get back to its regular projection. And, vice versa. Even if you don’t think that, say, the Mets have really improved at all, that doesn’t mean you should now expect them to slump, to negate the eight wins in nine games. While it’s true that baseball is hopelessly cyclical, this isn’t how seasons are understood to work. If you thought the Mets might win 51% of their games before, you should expect them to win about 51% of their games the rest of the way. And then you add on the eight wins and one loss. Teams off to good starts won’t suddenly find their opponents tougher, and teams off to bad starts won’t suddenly find their opponents easier. For most of you, this is old news, but it still always comes up. That’s the thing about popular fallacies."
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-playoff-picture-has-already-shifted/ - ( New Window )
Really need some length and dominance.
He has a reputation for doing that and wears armor to protect himself. Just once I’d like to see one of these spineless umpires call interference on him.
He's a turd who has been making a living off doing that for a while.
If he comes up in a spot where we can afford a runner on, I'd plunk him right in the back with a high 90's heater.
With the amount we have needed to rely on the bullpen, Mets wanted an extra arm in case DeGrom and/or Wheeler can't go deep. Lugo probably not able to give more than an inning, if that, for the entire series in Florida
LGM!
I sure type it a lot!
lowwww
Come on, Jake! Big outing!
I
Love this
My # is always -- get to 20 over early, add and maintain -- the blueprint for a perfect season.
Alright Conforto!!!!!
3-0
You think 85 wins gets a wild card?
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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.
You think 85 wins gets a wild card?
I think that's optimistic. I think you need 90-92 to lock a wild card up.
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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.
You think 85 wins gets a wild card?
You realize 81 wins is .500 ball? If the Mets win tonight and tomorrow they will be 10-1. That would put them at 90 wins if they played .500 the rest of the way..
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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.
You think 85 wins gets a wild card?
You realize 81 wins is .500 ball? If the Mets win tonight and tomorrow they will be 10-1. That would put them at 90 wins if they played .500 the rest of the way..
your math is off.
10 games over .500 is 86-76 over a full season.
10+75= 85.
If it was a 173-game season, you'd be on the money.
Not sure what you are talking about with 90 wins
Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..
More lifting to do.
Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..
Dude, like ten people did the math for you lol. Let’s move on.
Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..
Umm yeah, but you have to take into account games already played, then subtract from the 162.
Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..
lol, but then you'd be 18 games over .500, which is 90-72 over a full season.
Anyway, what really matters is that this has been a really frustrating half inning!
Odd to say, but the starters have been the overall disappointment so far.
Looks like another 6ip best case scenario brewing.
Ugh.
deGrom just spit the bit entirely.
deGrom should not be struggling against a lineup this poor. This is ridiculous.
ugh
Let's put a big inning together!
something good
That's productive. Nice job.
Sheck, you gotta teach your boy some fundys man.
That 5th inning was mostly bad luck, soft ground balls, one of which was probably foul, before surrendering the HR.
As usual he battled and gave you 6 solid.
Not worried about the velo on either guy - Noah was hitting 98/99 last night without much problem. It's more a matter of locating the breaking stuff and generating some weak contact.
The Marlins lineup is awful - for neither of the two to make it past 6 is a bit disappointing considering where their pitch counts were by mid game.
Both should have been able to go at least 7.
Not a huge deal - the Marlins are always a pain in the fucking ass. I just feel like when you have your aces against arguably the worst lineup in baseball, you should get better results.
Infuriating.
Dont know about 8th but Im calling a good Wheeler game.
This team hasn't rolled over yet this year - no reason to think they'll start now
Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00
Very frustrating.
That's my plan!
Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00
Career? What are you talking about? His cup of coffee last year? He worked all offseason on a slider, looked good in the spring, and has been pretty damn good this season early.
Lets Go!
Crushed that
Again!
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The guy flat out sucks.
Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00
Career? What are you talking about? His cup of coffee last year? He worked all offseason on a slider, looked good in the spring, and has been pretty damn good this season early.
dude didnt you learn your lesson Sunday night?
He CRUSHED that.
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The guy flat out sucks.
Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00
Career? What are you talking about? His cup of coffee last year? He worked all offseason on a slider, looked good in the spring, and has been pretty damn good this season early.
dude didn't you learn your lesson Sunday night?
that was for Vanzetti
It really does feel that way. The definition of grinding out wins.
It's a numbers game - it sucks for him because he deserves to be up. But it's not like we released or traded him. Not sure why we'd "regret it"... we can call him back up.
come on, think man. They want to build up Oswalt for the future
You want to build a bullpen so that you dont burn out arms by ASB then these are the types of moves you have to do early in the year.
This is what everyone was bitching about last year, I get it Nimmo is a fun player but he had a option and he will get far more playing time in AAA.
Dont be that guy
That was only the 2nd 3-0 ball that Cabrera has EVER put in play in his entire career.
@MattEhalt
An opponent has taken a lead on the Mets eight times.
The Mets have tied the game/taken the lead in their next at-bats 7 times.
@MattEhalt
An opponent has taken a lead on the Mets eight times.
The Mets have tied the game/taken the lead in their next at-bats 7 times.
Wow so I was close. That's some resiliency.
I really want this game. I hope the clock doesnt strike midnight on Hansel now.
That was only the 2nd 3-0 ball that Cabrera has EVER put in play in his entire career.
How is that even possible for a veteran player lol. Crazy.
@MattEhalt
An opponent has taken a lead on the Mets eight times.
The Mets have tied the game/taken the lead in their next at-bats 7 times.
That's insane.
Yes we do!
But, phew -- out of trouble for Robles!
Let's score and win this fucking thing!
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That is an insane statistic.
That was only the 2nd 3-0 ball that Cabrera has EVER put in play in his entire career.
How is that even possible for a veteran player lol. Crazy.
Right?
I had to make sure I heard that right - it sounds like it's not even possible.
cmon Conforto
Cmon, Scooter!
2 run lead!
He was really good for a really long time - he's just old as dirt, I think he might be hitting a wall and just losing it. He's like 38 years old now.
I'd really love a nice easy 1-2-3 though
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sucks.
He was really good for a really long time - he's just old as dirt, I think he might be hitting a wall and just losing it. He's like 38 years old now.
He was pretty bad last year too. Had almost a 5 ERA. He was good in 2016. We dodged a bullet there.
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sucks.
He was really good for a really long time - he's just old as dirt, I think he might be hitting a wall and just losing it. He's like 38 years old now.
He was pretty bad last year too. Had almost a 5 ERA. He was good in 2016. We dodged a bullet there.
LOL, yeah see my next post.. basically said the same.
I'd really love a nice easy 1-2-3 though
He's amazing in that he gets in and out of trouble within an AB.
Kind of a disaster artist.
We just gotta embrace the adrenaline rush.
1 more, let's goooo
One more Jeurys!
9-1 baby!!!
Wow man - I thought for sure we were ripe for a letdown tonight.
This team is something else.
9-1.
This team is stacked! The starters have to go deeper though.
GO Wheels!
Let Bruce play!
Great start. Feels good.
They shut him down to rest it for a while. So far he has not been cleared to begin throwing again from what I've heard. Hopefully, they are about to start him up again soon.
He was pretty lights out the first couple of games this year. You could tell his stuff was nasty and Mickey was going to be leaning on him big time. Sucks he's out but hey... we are 9-1.
Its another lefty starter so I doubt it. Lagares and Flores will be in again. Ces likely as well.
He just won over his players even more, while allowing Ces to earn more respect in the clubhouse. When people have questioned his dedication.
It’s not like he will further injure his flu and risk being out a month...
Validates sending Nimmo down even more.
totally agree but honestly, Robles has been lights out and has already proven he can overcome a mistake or 2. I wouldnt mess with that just yet.
Rhame handled Sunday night pretty well IMO
Let Swarzak heal and go through the proper motions.
Not really. He did have a big hit the night before and also some big hits the series before. It's not like he was hurting the team. He just wasn't playing his best.
No, if you heard Mickey talk about it, his logic was fine - he asked Ces several times if he wanted a blow. Ces said no. He doesn't want to sit and he had enough conviction behind it that Mickey decided to let him play.
If Cespedes is vigilant about wanting to be out there, he should be. Even when he's sick and aching he's still capable of delivering a huge hit like he did last night (and against WSH)
He's still our best hitter. (Although I think Scooter will have something to say about that by year's end...)
If he says he can go, let him play.
My question is can Jay Bruce play firstbase effectively?
My question is can Jay Bruce play firstbase effectively?
They were saying during the broadcast that the only reason he didn't take reps at 1b in the spring was because he had hurt his foot and they were just focusing on him getting healthy.
I think they'd like him to be able to play first but your question still stands; can he play it effectively
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He just won over his players even more, while allowing Ces to earn more respect in the clubhouse. When people have questioned his dedication.
It’s not like he will further injure his flu and risk being out a month...
That's a pretty good explanation.
Over Reyes?
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Wilmer
Over Reyes?
1000% yes.
Reyes' defense has degraded quite a bit. He's really not much better defensively (if at all) than Wilmer at this point. I'd trust Reyes over Wilmer @ SS only from an experience standpoint.
But Wilmer has played like 90 career games @ 2B. He has plenty of experience there and is a much, much better hitter.
The tradeoff of having Wilmer's bat for the negligible difference in defense makes it a no-brainer.
Reyes might be finished. He looks close.
Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?
But he's 35 years old. He's clearly nowhere near the player he used to be.
People here would really prefer him playing 2B over Wilmer? I think that's crazy. Wilmer is a much better player right now.
But he's 35 years old. He's clearly nowhere near the player he used to be.
People here would really prefer him playing 2B over Wilmer? I think that's crazy. Wilmer is a much better player right now.
No I like Wilmer more too. Just saying for a 25th man that can still run he offers value. He’s better than guys like Miguel Cairo or whoever else we’ve had in that spot.
I'd still give him at least 2-3 months before I even considered trying to fill his spot with someone else.
I think there's added benefit in that he and Rosario are attached at the hip. He seems to be a good mentor for Amed. They're best buddies - so it's good having Jose around.
Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?
.174 in March/April, .216 in May, .213 in June (75 games) . It was more than a rough "3 weeks". He did finish strong but he was awful for an entire half.
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(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.
Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?
.174 in March/April, .216 in May, .213 in June (75 games) . It was more than a rough "3 weeks". He did finish strong but he was awful for an entire half.
His month splits don’t work for me because he had a few hot and cold spells that went over month periods so it’s not a clean break monthly. If you simply remove his first three weeks in April where he was brutal he hit over league average for the season which is right around career averages. It’s really not worth arguing about though as that’s clearly not my point. If anything proving that Reyes took even longer to get it going enhances my point that Reyes should get more rope.
I'm not going to bring it up a million times all season on BBI and make the threads toxic, so don't worry about that, but that might be the reason why a lot of people dislike Reyes. My sister had a 41 game plan for 5 years running and cancelled once they got Reyes and won't renew until he's gone. I doubt she's the only one.
Reyes signing with the Marlins really hurt the fanbase and this was an attempt to make up for it.
I like Reyes as a utility guy especially in helping mentoring Rosario. Its a good fit