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NFT: Mets at Marlins Game 2. Mets go for seven in a row!

ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 5:44 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto – RF
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Wilmer Flores – 1B
Todd Frazier – 3B
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Kevin Plawecki – C
Juan Lagares – CF
Jacob deGrom – P
Amed Rosario – SS

Marlins Lineup

Derek Dietrich – LF
Miguel Rojas – SS
Starlin Castro – 2B
Justin Bour – 1B
Brian Anderson – 3B
Lewis Brinson – CF
Braxton Lee – RF
Bryan Holaday – C
Caleb Smith – P

Nimmo demoted. Oswalt up. Hopefully, temporarily.
Go  
spike : 4/10/2018 5:51 pm : link
Jake!
Odd thought but  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/10/2018 5:54 pm : link
it pissed me off when Dietrich leaned into that pitch from Thor last night. He never got the chance but I was hoping he would buzz him later in the game. 100MPH coming in tight at shoulder height would have him thinking twice going forward.
I thought Wheeler was getting the Wednesday start  
Rflairr : 4/10/2018 6:00 pm : link
What happened?
RE: I thought Wheeler was getting the Wednesday start  
Metnut : 4/10/2018 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13908334 Rflairr said:
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What happened?


That's still the plan. The Mets bullpen is a little bit gassed since the starters aren't going deep into games, so Callaway thinks they could use an extra arm for a little bit. Nimmo also hasn't gotten too many ABs since Conforto has come up, so makes sense to use one of his options and get him some regular time in AAA.

I'm fine with the move.
Encouraging fangraphs article here  
Metnut : 4/10/2018 6:03 pm : link
"Based on our own math and depth charts, the Mets are already up 4.5 wins. The Angels are right behind them, at +4.2, and then we have the Diamondbacks at +4.0 and the Pirates at +3.6. To round out the top five, the Red Sox are at +2.8. At the other end, the Rays are already down 3.6 wins. The Padres, Dodgers, and Reds are all at -2.6, and then the Orioles are at -2.5. Many teams, of course, haven’t shifted very much, because all the teams have barely played any baseball, but the strong starts and the bad starts all mean something."

"Viewed like this, no one has had a more encouraging or productive start than the 8-1 Mets. The Mets’ chances of making the playoffs, according to us, have gone up 24 percentage points already. It’s not just that Noah Syndergaard looks good and healthy. It’s not just that Jacob deGrom looks good and healthy. The bullpen has been outstanding, Michael Conforto is back and hitting the crap out of the ball way ahead of schedule, and the club recently wrapped up a three-game road sweep of the Nationals. The Mets are 3.5 games ahead of the Nationals, today. They used to be projected 8.2 games worse. The gap has narrowed considerably. It’s never too soon to sweep your main rival."

"But in any post like this, it’s almost obligatory to mention the gambler’s fallacy. An underachieving team shouldn’t be expected to suddenly overachieve, in order to get back to its regular projection. And, vice versa. Even if you don’t think that, say, the Mets have really improved at all, that doesn’t mean you should now expect them to slump, to negate the eight wins in nine games. While it’s true that baseball is hopelessly cyclical, this isn’t how seasons are understood to work. If you thought the Mets might win 51% of their games before, you should expect them to win about 51% of their games the rest of the way. And then you add on the eight wins and one loss. Teams off to good starts won’t suddenly find their opponents tougher, and teams off to bad starts won’t suddenly find their opponents easier. For most of you, this is old news, but it still always comes up. That’s the thing about popular fallacies."
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-playoff-picture-has-already-shifted/ - ( New Window )
Let's Go Mets!!!  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 6:24 pm : link
My "wish list" for tonight (aside from getting the W, of course) is for deGrom to have the first dominant outing by a Mets starter this year.

Really need some length and dominance.
RE: Odd thought but  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13908321 Rob in Rockaway said:
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it pissed me off when Dietrich leaned into that pitch from Thor last night. He never got the chance but I was hoping he would buzz him later in the game. 100MPH coming in tight at shoulder height would have him thinking twice going forward.


He has a reputation for doing that and wears armor to protect himself. Just once I’d like to see one of these spineless umpires call interference on him.
RE: Odd thought but  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13908321 Rob in Rockaway said:
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it pissed me off when Dietrich leaned into that pitch from Thor last night. He never got the chance but I was hoping he would buzz him later in the game. 100MPH coming in tight at shoulder height would have him thinking twice going forward.


He's a turd who has been making a living off doing that for a while.

If he comes up in a spot where we can afford a runner on, I'd plunk him right in the back with a high 90's heater.
RE: I thought Wheeler was getting the Wednesday start  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2018 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13908334 Rflairr said:
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What happened?


With the amount we have needed to rely on the bullpen, Mets wanted an extra arm in case DeGrom and/or Wheeler can't go deep. Lugo probably not able to give more than an inning, if that, for the entire series in Florida
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 7:11 pm : link
Another leadoff hit for Scooter.

LGM!
Ces is in an official  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:13 pm : link
funk
nice hitting Flores!  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:16 pm : link
Start it up!
Wilmaaaa  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 7:16 pm : link
Lgm 1-0
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 7:17 pm : link
Wiiiiilllllllllmaaaaaaaaaaaa
Imagine  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 7:18 pm : link
When yo starts to heat up...
Nice AB by Frazier  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:20 pm : link
Feel like I need a macro for that on my keyboard,

I sure type it a lot!
bogus call  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:24 pm : link
on strike 3.

lowwww
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 7:24 pm : link
That was fucking low man.
Plawecki  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:26 pm : link
with a bad AB there.

Come on, Jake! Big outing!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 7:32 pm : link
How was that 2nd pitch to Castro a ball if the pitch that got Cabrera rung up was even lower?
wow, nice play by Flores  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:33 pm : link
if he held the bag.
wow  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 7:33 pm : link
great job Wilmaaaa!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:07 pm : link
DROOBY DROOBY DOO!
Drooobs  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 8:07 pm : link
Crushed that
DROOBS  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:08 pm : link
I swear the lineup is mostly ice cold. We havent even scratched the surface yet.
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:10 pm : link
RE: .  
Rory : 4/10/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13908506 ZGiants98 said:
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I

Love this
Hey random thought but are there service time considerations  
bhill410 : 4/10/2018 8:10 pm : link
For Nimmo? I am trying to remember when he was called up, I wonder if he was borderline in that regard and they took an opportunity here.
To add to my own comment like a loser  
bhill410 : 4/10/2018 8:13 pm : link
Looking at games played he could in theory be borderline super 2 if I am recalling how the clock works when it’s over 3 years
Hanhold dominating again  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:18 pm : link
lol. Sandy came away with a fucking haul at last year's deadline. Literally punked everyone.
deGrom  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:25 pm : link
wins an epic duel!

Nice  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:25 pm : link
deGrom
If the Mets sweep the fish they basically  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:26 pm : link
just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.
What a great sequence by deGromm  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:27 pm : link
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*deGrom  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:27 pm : link
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Nice knock, Rosario  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:29 pm : link
Kid has pop -- I'm tellin ya!
RE: If the Mets sweep the fish they basically  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13908525 ZGiants98 said:
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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.


My # is always -- get to 20 over early, add and maintain -- the blueprint for a perfect season.

Alright Conforto!!!!!

3-0
RE: If the Mets sweep the fish they basically  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13908525 ZGiants98 said:
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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.


You think 85 wins gets a wild card?
This Conforto kids is pretty good, huh?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:31 pm : link
Love seeing the youngsters gettin at it.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:31 pm : link
Scooter!
Yo needs a day off  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:32 pm : link
Especially if he battling a sickness.
Might be wise to give  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:33 pm : link
Ces a rest tomorrow. Whatever he's battling -- flu or slump, maybe two days off in a row gets him right?
RE: RE: If the Mets sweep the fish they basically  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13908534 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 13908525 ZGiants98 said:


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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.



You think 85 wins gets a wild card?


I think that's optimistic. I think you need 90-92 to lock a wild card up.
RE: RE: If the Mets sweep the fish they basically  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13908534 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 13908525 ZGiants98 said:


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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.



You think 85 wins gets a wild card?


You realize 81 wins is .500 ball? If the Mets win tonight and tomorrow they will be 10-1. That would put them at 90 wins if they played .500 the rest of the way..
It’s extremely rare to lock up a wild card with less than  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:35 pm : link
90 wins. Besides, we have our sights set higher!
Can you guys count?  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:36 pm : link
lol
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:37 pm : link
Fuck .500 ball at this point. I want more than that.
How do you figure?  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:37 pm : link
152 games left, .500 ball is 76-76...+9 wins they currently have is 85.
RE: RE: RE: If the Mets sweep the fish they basically  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13908541 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13908534 figgy2989 said:


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In comment 13908525 ZGiants98 said:


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just have to play .500 the rest of the way to be a wild card team. Pretty fucking cool.



You think 85 wins gets a wild card?



You realize 81 wins is .500 ball? If the Mets win tonight and tomorrow they will be 10-1. That would put them at 90 wins if they played .500 the rest of the way..


your math is off.

10 games over .500 is 86-76 over a full season.

162-11= 151  
madgiantscow009 : 4/10/2018 8:37 pm : link
151/2= 75.

10+75= 85.
zg  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:38 pm : link
you're adding 81 wins (.500 ball over 162 games) to 11 they already played.

If it was a 173-game season, you'd be on the money.
I may be wrong here but 162 - 11 is 151  
bhill410 : 4/10/2018 8:39 pm : link
Divide that by two and you are at 75.5 plus ten wins already is 85-86 wins.

Not sure what you are talking about with 90 wins
Well if you start with the baseline of 81-81 is .500 over 162  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:41 pm : link
and now add nine more wins into that number you also have to subtract 9 losses so it counts double.

Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..
that looked like a foul ball  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:41 pm : link
OK, deGrom.

More lifting to do.
RE: Well if you start with the baseline of 81-81 is .500 over 162  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13908556 ZGiants98 said:
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and now add nine more wins into that number you also have to subtract 9 losses so it counts double.

Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..


Dude, like ten people did the math for you lol. Let’s move on.
RE: Well if you start with the baseline of 81-81 is .500 over 162  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13908556 ZGiants98 said:
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and now add nine more wins into that number you also have to subtract 9 losses so it counts double.

Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..


Umm yeah, but you have to take into account games already played, then subtract from the 162.

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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:43 pm : link
Damn just some unfortunate bounces this inning.
RE: Well if you start with the baseline of 81-81 is .500 over 162  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13908556 ZGiants98 said:
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and now add nine more wins into that number you also have to subtract 9 losses so it counts double.

Shit now Im confused. lol Whatever..


lol, but then you'd be 18 games over .500, which is 90-72 over a full season.

Anyway, what really matters is that this has been a really frustrating half inning!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:44 pm : link
Damn cmon guys.
3-2  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:44 pm : link
Marlins back into this.
Damn  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:44 pm : link
What’s with the starters and the 5th inning..
Ugh, bad luck this inning.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:44 pm : link
Lagares has to call off Conforto on that play.
RE: Damn  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13908566 figgy2989 said:
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What’s with the starters and the 5th inning..


Odd to say, but the starters have been the overall disappointment so far.

Looks like another 6ip best case scenario brewing.

Ugh.

deGrom just spit the bit entirely.

Just like that deGrom falls apart  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:45 pm : link
Wow.
God damn it  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:45 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:45 pm : link
Jesus christ.

deGrom should not be struggling against a lineup this poor. This is ridiculous.
Might need Cory Oswalt  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:47 pm : link
sooner than later.

ugh
Him and Noah have struggled  
Rflairr : 4/10/2018 8:47 pm : link
against this weak lineup. Thats baseball Susan
Marlins are always a pain in the ass, doesn’t matter if they  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:48 pm : link
suck...which they normally do anyway. DeGrom has labored this entire game outside of the first inning.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:49 pm : link
Aces need to be aces. The Marlins are basically a AAA team. These guys should be mowing almost all of these hitters down with ease.
I mean, Jake had some bad luck that inning but the  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:52 pm : link
big inning is disappointing. Time to go to work. At least Super Droobs is coming up.
Here we come...  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 8:53 pm : link
Nice Frazier.
Toddfather  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 8:54 pm : link
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ok Frazier  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:54 pm : link
good start.

Let's put a big inning together!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:54 pm : link
We've answered every time runs have been put up against us
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:54 pm : link
DO IT AGAIN.
nice hustle  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:57 pm : link
by Frazier
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:57 pm : link
Ballsy tag by Frazier - I like it!
need plawecki  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 8:57 pm : link
to do something

something good
Launch Angle Lagares  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 8:59 pm : link
Here we go!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 8:59 pm : link
PLEASE no DP
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:00 pm : link
There we go.

That's productive. Nice job.
good work, Lagares  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:00 pm : link
tied up!
Tie game  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:00 pm : link
Streak's not over yet!
Atta boy, Juan.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 9:00 pm : link
Tie game.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:01 pm : link
MVPlawecki needs to be at 2b on that play.

Sheck, you gotta teach your boy some fundys man.
Frazier is a very smart player  
Ira : 4/10/2018 9:03 pm : link
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deGrom pitched much better than the boxscore  
Chris684 : 4/10/2018 9:14 pm : link
will tell you.

That 5th inning was mostly bad luck, soft ground balls, one of which was probably foul, before surrendering the HR.

As usual he battled and gave you 6 solid.
deGrom's velocity has been a tad down this season  
CMicks3110 : 4/10/2018 9:16 pm : link
same with Thor's, about a mph each. It's early so not too concerned. But it always makes me nervous with power pitchers. Weird though since both were right on par in spring training.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:16 pm : link
Cespy needs a day off.
The team as a whole, strikes out way too much  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 9:18 pm : link
The Sunday night game, at one pint there was something like 11-12 in a row.
RE: deGrom's velocity has been a tad down this season  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13908620 CMicks3110 said:
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same with Thor's, about a mph each. It's early so not too concerned. But it always makes me nervous with power pitchers. Weird though since both were right on par in spring training.


Not worried about the velo on either guy - Noah was hitting 98/99 last night without much problem. It's more a matter of locating the breaking stuff and generating some weak contact.

The Marlins lineup is awful - for neither of the two to make it past 6 is a bit disappointing considering where their pitch counts were by mid game.

Both should have been able to go at least 7.

Not a huge deal - the Marlins are always a pain in the fucking ass. I just feel like when you have your aces against arguably the worst lineup in baseball, you should get better results.
I’m loving what Mickey is doing but he’s gotta be more in tune  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 9:20 pm : link
with what’s going on with Cespedes. He literally strikes out every at bat and looks to have zero life in him. Let the dude chill for a game or so. Especially is he’s sick.
Watch Wheeler  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:20 pm : link
be the first SP to make it into the 8th tomorrow
fucking marlins  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:23 pm : link
very annoying game.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:23 pm : link
They have one fucking power hitter in this lineup and we keep giving him pitches to hit.

Infuriating.
Wow  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:23 pm : link
Jesus
RE: Watch Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13908629 JayBinQueens said:
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be the first SP to make it into the 8th tomorrow


Dont know about 8th but Im calling a good Wheeler game.
Sewald sighting  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:24 pm : link
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I guess the Mets pitchers forgot that Justin Bour  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 9:25 pm : link
hits homeruns.
I'm curious to see how they respond  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:25 pm : link
in the top of the next inning.

This team hasn't rolled over yet this year - no reason to think they'll start now
How is Rhame even on the team?  
Vanzetti : 4/10/2018 9:25 pm : link
The guy flat out sucks.

Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:26 pm : link
Jacob deGrom vs Caleb Smith and a AAA lineup and we're probably going to lose the game. LOL. Really shouldn't happen.

Very frustrating.
ok,  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:28 pm : link
just score more runs.

That's my plan!
RE: How is Rhame even on the team?  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13908641 Vanzetti said:
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The guy flat out sucks.

Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00


Career? What are you talking about? His cup of coffee last year? He worked all offseason on a slider, looked good in the spring, and has been pretty damn good this season early.
Flores baby  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:30 pm : link
Keep battling Mets.
Wilmaaaaaa  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:30 pm : link
strikes again!
WILMAAAAA  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:30 pm : link
got one back quick!

Lets Go!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:30 pm : link
Well, we're halfway there...
Bwahaha!!!  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
LOL.
Tie game!  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
Drooooobs!!!

Crushed that
DROOOOOOBS  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
OK, new ballgame!

Again!
RE: RE: How is Rhame even on the team?  
Rory : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13908647 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13908641 Vanzetti said:


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The guy flat out sucks.

Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00



Career? What are you talking about? His cup of coffee last year? He worked all offseason on a slider, looked good in the spring, and has been pretty damn good this season early.


dude didnt you learn your lesson Sunday night?
This team is amazing  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
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Let's get another!  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
!!!!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
Holy.....

He CRUSHED that.
WOW CABRERA  
Rflairr : 4/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
.
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:35 pm : link
This team is fun  
Metnut : 4/10/2018 9:35 pm : link
to watch! What a shot!
Don't understand sending  
Chris L. : 4/10/2018 9:36 pm : link
Nimmo down. We are going to regret that one.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:36 pm : link
Have we been scored on and NOT scored in that next half inning yet this year? I feel like we've literally done it every time so far.
RE: RE: RE: How is Rhame even on the team?  
Rory : 4/10/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13908659 Rory said:
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In comment 13908647 ZGiants98 said:


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In comment 13908641 Vanzetti said:


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The guy flat out sucks.

Career WHIP over 2 and a career ERA over 8.00



Career? What are you talking about? His cup of coffee last year? He worked all offseason on a slider, looked good in the spring, and has been pretty damn good this season early.



dude didn't you learn your lesson Sunday night?


that was for Vanzetti
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13908668 arcarsenal said:
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Have we been scored on and NOT scored in that next half inning yet this year? I feel like we've literally done it every time so far.


It really does feel that way. The definition of grinding out wins.
RE: Don't understand sending  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13908667 Chris L. said:
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Nimmo down. We are going to regret that one.


It's a numbers game - it sucks for him because he deserves to be up. But it's not like we released or traded him. Not sure why we'd "regret it"... we can call him back up.
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:38 pm : link
RE: Don't understand sending  
Rory : 4/10/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13908667 Chris L. said:
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Nimmo down. We are going to regret that one.


come on, think man. They want to build up Oswalt for the future

You want to build a bullpen so that you dont burn out arms by ASB then these are the types of moves you have to do early in the year.

This is what everyone was bitching about last year, I get it Nimmo is a fun player but he had a option and he will get far more playing time in AAA.

Dont be that guy
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:40 pm : link
Man, Mickey is really riding Robles.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:43 pm : link
That is an insane statistic.

That was only the 2nd 3-0 ball that Cabrera has EVER put in play in his entire career.
thought that was gone  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:44 pm : link
come on Robles.
Man why did we use Sewald for only one hitter  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:45 pm : link
Definitely feels like Mickey has fallen in love with certain relievers and Robles is one of them all of the sudden.
He's got to learn like Collins about  
Rflairr : 4/10/2018 9:45 pm : link
Robles in spots like this.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:45 pm : link
Yikes. That was scary.
Hee you go Arc.  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:46 pm : link
✔
@MattEhalt
An opponent has taken a lead on the Mets eight times.
The Mets have tied the game/taken the lead in their next at-bats 7 times.
RE: Hee you go Arc.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13908687 ZGiants98 said:
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@MattEhalt
An opponent has taken a lead on the Mets eight times.
The Mets have tied the game/taken the lead in their next at-bats 7 times.


Wow so I was close. That's some resiliency.

I really want this game. I hope the clock doesnt strike midnight on Hansel now.
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13908676 arcarsenal said:
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That is an insane statistic.

That was only the 2nd 3-0 ball that Cabrera has EVER put in play in his entire career.


How is that even possible for a veteran player lol. Crazy.
RE: Hee you go Arc.  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13908687 ZGiants98 said:
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✔
@MattEhalt
An opponent has taken a lead on the Mets eight times.
The Mets have tied the game/taken the lead in their next at-bats 7 times.


That's insane.

We need Swarzak  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:47 pm : link
back.
Cmon Robles  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:48 pm : link
get out of this!!!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:48 pm : link
LOL, Ronnie just called Mattingly "Freddie Gonzalez"

hugeeee  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:48 pm : link
k
Damn Hansel with 97  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:48 pm : link
there. Ok let's go.
RE: We need Swarzak  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13908692 ZGiants98 said:
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back.


Yes we do!

But, phew -- out of trouble for Robles!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:49 pm : link
Hansel!

Let's score and win this fucking thing!
Reminds me of  
Rory : 4/10/2018 9:49 pm : link
the old Robles. Effyes
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13908690 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13908676 arcarsenal said:


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That is an insane statistic.

That was only the 2nd 3-0 ball that Cabrera has EVER put in play in his entire career.



How is that even possible for a veteran player lol. Crazy.


Right?

I had to make sure I heard that right - it sounds like it's not even possible.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:50 pm : link
Oh wow, Freddie is their 3B coach - so he didn't fuck up. I didn't know that. I thought he slipped up thinking he was still the manager.
ok Mets  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:51 pm : link
put up a run here!
cmon Amed  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:52 pm : link
put a move on one.
whatever happened there,  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:53 pm : link
I'll take it!

cmon Conforto
Reyes has been telling Amed to steal more  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:53 pm : link
Do it!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:54 pm : link
LOL I'll take that

Cmon, Scooter!
Ziegler looks like  
Rory : 4/10/2018 9:55 pm : link
he has a hitch in his wind up you could steal on.

,  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:55 pm : link
Good take there. That's a tough pitch to lay off
Come on Ces..  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:57 pm : link
A single will do.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:57 pm : link
Cmon Yo.. one time. Smash one over the fence.
come on  
Rory : 4/10/2018 9:57 pm : link
Ces!
haha.  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:58 pm : link
Game.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:58 pm : link
CESPY!!!!!!!
yessss  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 9:58 pm : link
cesss!!!!

2 run lead!
CES!!!  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 9:58 pm : link
Two hits in the last five days and both HUGE!
Deuces  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:58 pm : link
FIsh. Fuckers.
Fucking A...  
PhiPsi125 : 4/10/2018 9:59 pm : link
Grind that pepper shaker Ces...you earned it you magnificent beast. Love it.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 9:59 pm : link
This team, man....
Zeigler  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 9:59 pm : link
sucks.
RE: Zeigler  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13908730 ZGiants98 said:
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sucks.


He was really good for a really long time - he's just old as dirt, I think he might be hitting a wall and just losing it. He's like 38 years old now.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:01 pm : link
I did want him last year though - before last season, his numbers were fantastic for a very long stretch. We definitely avoided a mistake there
OK  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 10:01 pm : link
Familia, let's get in and out of trouble!!!
It's never a good thing when your closer can barely crack 80 mph  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2018 10:04 pm : link
but not quite sure how that inning is on Ziegler. Rosario got on thanks to an error and the Cespedes ball looked playable to at least get knocked down.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:04 pm : link
I'm just gonna assume that Familia is gonna get into trouble before he slithers out of it - it'll save me the agita.

I'd really love a nice easy 1-2-3 though
RE: RE: Zeigler  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13908733 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13908730 ZGiants98 said:


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sucks.



He was really good for a really long time - he's just old as dirt, I think he might be hitting a wall and just losing it. He's like 38 years old now.


He was pretty bad last year too. Had almost a 5 ERA. He was good in 2016. We dodged a bullet there.
That's the play, Frazier  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 10:06 pm : link
nice range
RE: RE: RE: Zeigler  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13908739 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13908733 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13908730 ZGiants98 said:


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sucks.



He was really good for a really long time - he's just old as dirt, I think he might be hitting a wall and just losing it. He's like 38 years old now.



He was pretty bad last year too. Had almost a 5 ERA. He was good in 2016. We dodged a bullet there.


LOL, yeah see my next post.. basically said the same.
Frasier continues to make good plays  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2018 10:06 pm : link
crazy he only got 1/2 of what Bruce got. What a weird offseason.
RE: .  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13908738 arcarsenal said:
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I'm just gonna assume that Familia is gonna get into trouble before he slithers out of it - it'll save me the agita.

I'd really love a nice easy 1-2-3 though


He's amazing in that he gets in and out of trouble within an AB.

Kind of a disaster artist.

We just gotta embrace the adrenaline rush.
Nice  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 10:09 pm : link
pitch.

1 more, let's goooo
nice pitch on 3-2  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 10:09 pm : link
!

One more Jeurys!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:09 pm : link
Great pitch.
PIITB!  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2018 10:10 pm : link
9-1!
HUGE GUTSY WIN!  
jpkmets : 4/10/2018 10:10 pm : link
Imagine if the starters ever start cranking????

9-1 baby!!!
9-1  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:10 pm : link
Wheeler's pitching a gem tomorrow. I can feel it. lol
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:11 pm : link
The ever-elusive 1-2-3 for Jeurys!

Wow man - I thought for sure we were ripe for a letdown tonight.

This team is something else.

9-1.
Flores  
Rory : 4/10/2018 10:11 pm : link
gets my MVP
some good juju with this team  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2018 10:11 pm : link
kind of amazing to see this kind of start without any of the starters even pitching that well.
.  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:12 pm : link
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:15 pm : link
9-1 baby!  
spike : 4/10/2018 10:19 pm : link
Flores needs to play more!

This team is stacked! The starters have to go deeper though.

GO Wheels!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:29 pm : link
Pretty cool to hear Mickey say that he's been asking Ces repeatedly if he needs a day and Ces doesn't want to sit. Guy is a gamer.
best 10 game start  
pjcas18 : 4/10/2018 10:31 pm : link
in Mets history
Ces needs to sit once in a while to stay healthy!  
spike : 4/10/2018 10:32 pm : link
No more chronic nagging injuries.

Let Bruce play!
Pretty much universally assumed that this team would need  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/10/2018 10:33 pm : link
Thor and Jake to dominate for us to have any chance, and that still may play out over the long haul, but right now if our starter keeps us close, this team is winning the game.

Great start. Feels good.
Still feel like we aren't scratching the surface  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:40 pm : link
Thor/deGrom have been a little off. Matz/Harvey seem to be up and down and working on things but better overall than last year obviously. The hitters have been mostly cold outsid eof maybe Cabrera/Bruce. So much ceiling yet untapped. I want Swarzak back because I feel with him, Ramos, Lugo, Gsellman, and Familia we can seriously just KO teams once we have the lead. We are winning no with guys like Robles, and Rhame. Clearly B options.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:41 pm : link
Any idea when we'll see Swarz back?
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:41 pm : link
(I haven't really been following the timetables since he got hurt)
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13908791 arcarsenal said:
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Any idea when we'll see Swarz back?


They shut him down to rest it for a while. So far he has not been cleared to begin throwing again from what I've heard. Hopefully, they are about to start him up again soon.
Also they slowed Vargas's timetable down as well  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:43 pm : link
Im guessing we see Wheeler for at least 2 starts but we'll see.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:46 pm : link
Hopefully it won't linger too long. If he comes back and pitches like he did last year, this pen is going to be very good.
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13908801 arcarsenal said:
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Hopefully it won't linger too long. If he comes back and pitches like he did last year, this pen is going to be very good.


He was pretty lights out the first couple of games this year. You could tell his stuff was nasty and Mickey was going to be leaning on him big time. Sucks he's out but hey... we are 9-1.
Wow.  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:56 pm : link
Oswalt down for Wheeler. Talk about a short stay.
Cespedes is 2 for his last 22  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:57 pm : link
and both of his hits have been game winners.
Rest ces tomorrow  
spike : 4/10/2018 11:46 pm : link
And start Bruce
RE: Rest ces tomorrow  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 11:58 pm : link
In comment 13908828 spike said:
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And start Bruce


Its another lefty starter so I doubt it. Lagares and Flores will be in again. Ces likely as well.
Nobody wants to rest  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 1:37 am : link
When you are 9-1
Fell asleep early and they held on to win  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/11/2018 2:40 am : link
What a difference this year.
Amazing!  
Sean : 4/11/2018 5:49 am : link
The starters haven’t even hit their stride yet.
Callaway  
spike : 4/11/2018 6:41 am : link
Is much better than the rigid Collins
Playing devil's advocate  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 7:15 am : link
No one has an issue with Calloway not sitting ces when he wants to bc the player 'wants to play' while sick and slumping?
It’s a long season  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 7:22 am : link
And this is Ces team, not Mickeys yet.
He just won over his players even more, while allowing Ces to earn more respect in the clubhouse. When people have questioned his dedication.

It’s not like he will further injure his flu and risk being out a month...
RE: Wow.  
Rory : 4/11/2018 8:02 am : link
In comment 13908810 ZGiants98 said:
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Oswalt down for Wheeler. Talk about a short stay.


Validates sending Nimmo down even more.
RE: Still feel like we aren't scratching the surface  
Rory : 4/11/2018 8:05 am : link
In comment 13908790 ZGiants98 said:
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Thor/deGrom have been a little off. Matz/Harvey seem to be up and down and working on things but better overall than last year obviously. The hitters have been mostly cold outsid eof maybe Cabrera/Bruce. So much ceiling yet untapped. I want Swarzak back because I feel with him, Ramos, Lugo, Gsellman, and Familia we can seriously just KO teams once we have the lead. We are winning no with guys like Robles, and Rhame. Clearly B options.


totally agree but honestly, Robles has been lights out and has already proven he can overcome a mistake or 2. I wouldnt mess with that just yet.

Rhame handled Sunday night pretty well IMO

Let Swarzak heal and go through the proper motions.
RE: Playing devil's advocate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/11/2018 8:29 am : link
In comment 13908895 JayBinQueens said:
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No one has an issue with Calloway not sitting ces when he wants to bc the player 'wants to play' while sick and slumping?


Not really. He did have a big hit the night before and also some big hits the series before. It's not like he was hurting the team. He just wasn't playing his best.
RE: Playing devil's advocate  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 13908895 JayBinQueens said:
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No one has an issue with Calloway not sitting ces when he wants to bc the player 'wants to play' while sick and slumping?


No, if you heard Mickey talk about it, his logic was fine - he asked Ces several times if he wanted a blow. Ces said no. He doesn't want to sit and he had enough conviction behind it that Mickey decided to let him play.

If Cespedes is vigilant about wanting to be out there, he should be. Even when he's sick and aching he's still capable of delivering a huge hit like he did last night (and against WSH)

He's still our best hitter. (Although I think Scooter will have something to say about that by year's end...)

If he says he can go, let him play.
Bruce reportedly took grounders  
Rory : 4/11/2018 10:02 am : link
at 1b last night in warm-ups.

My question is can Jay Bruce play firstbase effectively?
RE: Bruce reportedly took grounders  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13909110 Rory said:
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at 1b last night in warm-ups.

My question is can Jay Bruce play firstbase effectively?

They were saying during the broadcast that the only reason he didn't take reps at 1b in the spring was because he had hurt his foot and they were just focusing on him getting healthy.
I think they'd like him to be able to play first but your question still stands; can he play it effectively
For your reading enjoyment  
feelflows : 4/11/2018 10:26 am : link
Regarding the Mets international signings from BA

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2017-international-reviews-new-york-mets/?amphtml&__twitter_impression=true
RE: It’s a long season  
Dr. D : 4/11/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13908898 Shecky said:
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And this is Ces team, not Mickeys yet.
He just won over his players even more, while allowing Ces to earn more respect in the clubhouse. When people have questioned his dedication.

It’s not like he will further injure his flu and risk being out a month...

That's a pretty good explanation.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:47 am : link
It's really just a good reflection on Cespedes if nothing else. He made it clear that it's important to him to be out there for his team. Gotta love that.
this is a team that is very easy to root for  
Dr. D : 4/11/2018 11:07 am : link
of course winning helps, but the way they fight back, don't make excuses, etc.
Who plays 2B when Cabrera needs a day?  
Chris684 : 4/11/2018 11:41 am : link
I'm assuming Reyes?

.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 11:43 am : link
Wilmer
RE: .  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13909279 arcarsenal said:
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Wilmer


Over Reyes?
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13909371 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 13909279 arcarsenal said:


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Wilmer



Over Reyes?


1000% yes.

Reyes' defense has degraded quite a bit. He's really not much better defensively (if at all) than Wilmer at this point. I'd trust Reyes over Wilmer @ SS only from an experience standpoint.

But Wilmer has played like 90 career games @ 2B. He has plenty of experience there and is a much, much better hitter.

The tradeoff of having Wilmer's bat for the negligible difference in defense makes it a no-brainer.

Reyes might be finished. He looks close.
The Reyes stuff bothers me...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 12:51 pm : link
(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.

Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:56 pm : link
I still like Jose - I think he's good to have on the bench for now.

But he's 35 years old. He's clearly nowhere near the player he used to be.

People here would really prefer him playing 2B over Wilmer? I think that's crazy. Wilmer is a much better player right now.
Btw for those that don’t know there is seriously  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 12:56 pm : link
Some guy off his meds that despises Reyes. He calls him the “virus”. He calls into talk radio stations and disguises who he is. Once the host catches on they end the call but not before him blasting Reyes the virus. It’s actually quite funny. He posts and gets banned on popular Mets sites and has gotten national recognition with most of the beats. I haven’t seen it discussed here but it’s quite comical.
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13909406 arcarsenal said:
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I still like Jose - I think he's good to have on the bench for now.

But he's 35 years old. He's clearly nowhere near the player he used to be.

People here would really prefer him playing 2B over Wilmer? I think that's crazy. Wilmer is a much better player right now.


No I like Wilmer more too. Just saying for a 25th man that can still run he offers value. He’s better than guys like Miguel Cairo or whoever else we’ve had in that spot.
The guy legit believes he derailed the Marlins  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
And Blue Jays chances just from being on their teams and infected our clubhouse last year. Lol
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
Yeah, absolutely - I'm not saying run Reyes off the team. But it's possible he may be finished sooner than later. He's getting up there.

I'd still give him at least 2-3 months before I even considered trying to fill his spot with someone else.

I think there's added benefit in that he and Rosario are attached at the hip. He seems to be a good mentor for Amed. They're best buddies - so it's good having Jose around.
RE: The Reyes stuff bothers me...  
DanMetroMan : 4/11/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13909399 ZGiants98 said:
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(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.

Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?



.174 in March/April, .216 in May, .213 in June (75 games) . It was more than a rough "3 weeks". He did finish strong but he was awful for an entire half.
RE: RE: The Reyes stuff bothers me...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13909423 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13909399 ZGiants98 said:


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(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.

Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?




.174 in March/April, .216 in May, .213 in June (75 games) . It was more than a rough "3 weeks". He did finish strong but he was awful for an entire half.


His month splits don’t work for me because he had a few hot and cold spells that went over month periods so it’s not a clean break monthly. If you simply remove his first three weeks in April where he was brutal he hit over league average for the season which is right around career averages. It’s really not worth arguing about though as that’s clearly not my point. If anything proving that Reyes took even longer to get it going enhances my point that Reyes should get more rope.
Personally I think  
Metnut : 4/11/2018 1:20 pm : link
the team shouldn't have brought back Reyes. What he did to his wife was disgusting and I wish the Mets took the high road and refused to associate with him.

I'm not going to bring it up a million times all season on BBI and make the threads toxic, so don't worry about that, but that might be the reason why a lot of people dislike Reyes. My sister had a 41 game plan for 5 years running and cancelled once they got Reyes and won't renew until he's gone. I doubt she's the only one.
Gavin Cecchini  
Metnut : 4/11/2018 1:26 pm : link
and TJ Rivera are both logical candidates at first glance to replace Reyes at some point this season but I guess neither one of them can really play SS, and you need a backup there, so maybe he stays all year. We did go to the world series with flores playing at SS, but it looks like the organization has decided (probably rightfully so) that he's not an option there, even in a backup capacity.
Mets were looking to  
Rory : 4/11/2018 1:30 pm : link
for a player-coach who was from the previous 2006 playoff regime who would symbolize the transition to the new regime, a role that Wright was given but could not achieve because of injuries.

Reyes signing with the Marlins really hurt the fanbase and this was an attempt to make up for it.

I like Reyes as a utility guy especially in helping mentoring Rosario. Its a good fit

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