Mets Lineup
Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Wilmer Flores 1B
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Todd Frazier 3B
Jay Bruce RF
Kevin Plawecki C
Amed Rosario SS
Juan Lagares CF
Zack Wheeler P
Marlins Lineup
Derek Dietrich LF
Miguel Rojas SS
Starlin Castro 2B
Justin Bour 1B
Brian Anderson 3B
Cameron Maybin RF
Lewis Brinson CF
Tim Wallach C
Jarlin Garcia P
Bummer about TDA today. Wheelz up! LGM!
We will probably lose 4-5 games in a row at some point. It's going to happen.
BUT. (And Mickey touched on this in his postgame) I think it's really been huge for the team to win this way early on - because it reinforces the idea that they should never hang their heads and that they're always alive.
There's a culture forming here that will bode well for when things get dicey.
Todd Frazier is going to be invaluable when we hit rough patches. The things he said tonight about accountability and no "me" players tonight - the guy is just such a pro. And it's sad that I'm so excited about this because it's something you should always have in your clubhouse. But unfortunately, this team has been missing players like this for a long time and he was sorely needed here.
Kudos to the FO for understanding that and addressing it.
I didn't give credit for it at the time - but it's evident now as to why it was done and I certainly think they deserve some praise for that.
No team is as good as a 10-1 record. lol. That's like a .900 winning percentage. All Im saying is this team is loaded with talented players that arent playing well yet. We've basically been grinding and eeking out wins. I dont want to hear about the Marlins or Phillies either. Both teams put wins on the board against teams like the Cubs and we also beat the shit out of the Nats and Cardinals which are quality. Its hard to sweep ANY team in MLB. Obviosuly, we arent going to be playing at a 10-1 pace all year. All Im saying is this doesn't feel like a team playing over its head talent wise at all. It actually feels like its underachieving. And the pen is no joke. If Familia, Swarzak, Ramos, Gsellman, and Lugo stay healthy that pen will be lights out all year.
Small ball, baserunning and bullpen win games. Much more than Homeruns alone
15 loses? Slackers
Anyone find Nimmo?
Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....
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so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.
Anyone find Nimmo?
Oh man. You are scaring me. lol
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would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.
Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....
Supposed to say "Realmuto" is a top 3 catcher if healthy.
Sure I could see them moving him. He has no place in their rebuild. Plus he wants out. I just assumed he would cost a lot since he has years of control left. Shecky says less Ill believe him though.
He’s actually older than most of the players they just traded away and the reason he hasn’t been traded is he’s injured. He hasn’t played a single game.
The guy who should be most nervous after last night is Matt Harvey. If Wheeler pitches well against the Nats and Harvey throws another stinker on Saturday, it'll be hard to keep Wheeler out of the rotation.
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Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....
I don't dislike Realmuto but he isn't worth premium prospects. Pick any offensive stat you want he is a league average hitter. RC, XBH, OPS, OBP. I am not saying Lucroy is necessarily better, just similar and likely much cheaper to acquire. During Realmuto's back to back 3.5 WAR seasons Lucroy put up 1 better (4.6) and 1 worse (1.2), but even his worse season would have been better than any C on this roster in a few years.
Lucroy - .780 (.860. in 2016, .720 last year)
Realmuto - .775 (steady both years)
Total Defense (fangraphs)
Lucroy +21.9
Realmuto +22.9
Is it really worth giving up Gimenez or another really good prospect in the system for Realmuto? I'd much sooner ride with Plawecki for a little bit and just add a cheap veteran in a couple months if necessary.
If they were going to build around any of these guys, it would have been Ozuna and Yelich (they were never going to keep paying Stanton)
They won't be ready to compete for quite some time.
If Realmuto costs less than Gimenez, it's a no brainer.
If they were going to build around any of these guys, it would have been Ozuna and Yelich (they were never going to keep paying Stanton)
They won't be ready to compete for quite some time.
If Realmuto costs less than Gimenez, it's a no brainer.
+1.
I wouldn't mind checking in on Lucroy later on if OAK is looking to sell or even a lesser-known option like Murphy.
But if this team is going to make a push this year, we should be aggressive and try to upgrade that spot if an opportunity presents itself.
I wouldn't mind checking in on Lucroy later on if OAK is looking to sell or even a lesser-known option like Murphy.
But if this team is going to make a push this year, we should be aggressive and try to upgrade that spot if an opportunity presents itself.
All for being aggressive, just don't want to give up our top prospects unless a real impact player is coming back (like the Cespedes deal in '15 or the Andrew Miller/Chapman deals for Cubs/Indians). If it's a Casey Meisner or Dilson Herrera level prospect by all means. Realmuto is still cheap and with the injury his value is down so I don't expect the Fish to be in a rush to accept a cheap return.
If they were going to build around any of these guys, it would have been Ozuna and Yelich (they were never going to keep paying Stanton)
They won't be ready to compete for quite some time.
If Realmuto costs less than Gimenez, it's a no brainer.
the Marlins will keep costs waaay low for many years to recoup some money from their exorbitant purchase.
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If Plaw can get back into the lineup soon, I won't be terribly worried - I just think Realmuto makes a LOT of sense if the cost is reasonable. They're going to trade him - he really doesn't want to be there and there's really not much incentive to keep a grumpy player around who is just going to leave before they're ready to compete anyway.
I wouldn't mind checking in on Lucroy later on if OAK is looking to sell or even a lesser-known option like Murphy.
But if this team is going to make a push this year, we should be aggressive and try to upgrade that spot if an opportunity presents itself.
All for being aggressive, just don't want to give up our top prospects unless a real impact player is coming back (like the Cespedes deal in '15 or the Andrew Miller/Chapman deals for Cubs/Indians). If it's a Casey Meisner or Dilson Herrera level prospect by all means. Realmuto is still cheap and with the injury his value is down so I don't expect the Fish to be in a rush to accept a cheap return.
Oh yeah, I think we mostly agree - I'm not looking to give up a huge haul. I just think that if it's possible to get him without needing to include Gimenez and a lesser package works, I would do it.
Just seems to make a lot of sense to check in and see if he's acquirable.
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the Marlins will keep costs waaay low for many years to recoup some money from their exorbitant purchase.
They’re doing fine financially. No need to cut costs further when you DOUBLE A ball club outdraws your MAJOR LEAGUE club. While a New York team is in town nonetheless...
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I think everyone agrees nimmo played well enough to stay up. He has options though and they needed arms. I think he'll be up relatively soon
With Lugo and Gsellman in the pen there is no reason we also need a 8 man pen.
With Lugo and Gsellman in the pen there is no reason we also need a 8 man pen.
Against righties and no DH there is no space unless our 1B are struggling
There's really not much we can do. Conforto and Cespedes should be playing every day. Bruce is only going to sit if it's a really tough lefty or he needs a maintenance day.
AGon has been really good so far too - so we can't even put Bruce at 1B to open up a spot for Nimmo.
And then there's Lagares who we can use against lefties and will come in for late game defense when we're protecting leads.
I just don't see how Mickey can possibly get Nimmo the AB's he deserves right now. It sucks for Brandon but there's really no easy answer.
That's what I want too - Wheeler looked fucking awesome and if the adjustment he made was the reason, he might have a better year than both Matz AND Harvey. He looked fantastic.
Vargas definitely didn't sign here to be a long man and I have a feeling he'd be miffed at it - but hey. Either buy in or get lost. Frazier said it last night... no "me" guys here. Everyone is a team player
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rotation. I’m sorry but he’s more valuable than getting Sewald one appearance every two weeks.
With Lugo and Gsellman in the pen there is no reason we also need a 8 man pen.
Against righties and no DH there is no space unless our 1B are struggling
No space for what? There is zero reason why every person in our OF and AGone can’t get one day off a week (Bruce slides over) but forget about that. Nimmo is an impossible out late in the game coming off the bench. Who on our bench do you bring in to face a tough righty right now?
I know we all want to see the “A lineup” every day but the season is 6 months long and these guys play every day. Keep everyone fresh.
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Vargas in the pen too. Lugo, Gsellman, and Vargas will make our 7 man pen look like 10. That soft tossing lefty will probably look great coming in after a bunch of hard throwing righties. Darren Oliver 2.0.
That's what I want too - Wheeler looked fucking awesome and if the adjustment he made was the reason, he might have a better year than both Matz AND Harvey. He looked fantastic.
Vargas definitely didn't sign here to be a long man and I have a feeling he'd be miffed at it - but hey. Either buy in or get lost. Frazier said it last night... no "me" guys here. Everyone is a team player
Yup exactly. He’s an older guy and throws junk. I envision a rubber like Colon arm. You can’t send Wheeler down if he keeps pitching he way he is and Callaway made it seem like he was damn excited for Wheelers next start against the Nats. You in essence are still keeping Vargas for SP depth. He can slide into the rotation at any time if a pitcher goes down or faulters.
But if Mickey could get Nimmo 3-4 starts a week, I'd love for him to be back up. Kid is putting together some great AB's and looks like he's taking the next step
I'm sure he can still improve from here. I just don't want to stunt him when he's in a really good spot developmentally.
This stuff always has a way of working itself out, though...
Just keep winning.
I know we all want to see the “A lineup” every day but the season is 6 months long and these guys play every day. Keep everyone fresh.
U need all your depth to play 162 games plus postseason
LOL, I can hear the sound in my head..
"UUHHHHHHHHHH"
I also agree though that if they are not inclined to do that and want to start Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, and AGone every day then that won't cut it either.
Great problem to have I guess.
We are starting to get logjams all over the roster. Like I've mentioned when everyone's back there is a good chance Sewald, Robles, and Rhame all have to head back to AAA. The rotation has a bunch of guys deserving of spots on the outside looking in.
Smith with 2 doubles last night and a HR is likely going to make things very interesting on AGone eventually.
Heck, Cecchini and his supposed fixed swing is hitting in Vegas although it's very early.
Really the only issue is catcher and it's a brand new issue due to injury. Lot's of interesting situations developing though.