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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 6:01 pm
Mets Lineup

Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Wilmer Flores 1B
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Todd Frazier 3B
Jay Bruce RF
Kevin Plawecki C
Amed Rosario SS
Juan Lagares CF
Zack Wheeler P
Marlins Lineup

Derek Dietrich LF
Miguel Rojas SS
Starlin Castro 2B
Justin Bour 1B
Brian Anderson 3B
Cameron Maybin RF
Lewis Brinson CF
Tim Wallach C
Jarlin Garcia P

Bummer about TDA today. Wheelz up! LGM!
Rosario in the 7 spot  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 6:32 pm : link
Interesting
Interesting  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 6:47 pm : link
no Conforto tonight but he can be valuable in the later innings if the Mets need some offense off the bench
Not really a surprise  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 6:56 pm : link
Bruce sat last night against the lefty. Conforto sits tonight. They switched.

A Gone out both nights.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 6:57 pm : link
Let's go, Wheels!
Hopefully  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 6:57 pm : link
Flores stays hot tonight.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 7:07 pm : link
Wow, Milwaukee blew 6 saves in a row before today. Is Knebel still going to be out when we play them this weekend? Looks like a BP that is ready to be taken advantage of.

Yelich is going to miss that series as well.
97 mph heat  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 7:17 pm : link
93 mph slider?
Look like they will have to come back yet again  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 7:18 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 7:21 pm : link
:/
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 7:22 pm : link
Alright - one run. Not the end of the world. Let's do what we've been doing all year and answer right back.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 7:31 pm : link
If Realmuto can be had for a reasonable price, the Mets should be aggressive and pursue that. He would be a perfect addition.
Wheeler looking good  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 7:39 pm : link
HR notwithstanding
RE: Not really a surprise  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13909968 ZGiants98 said:
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Bruce sat last night against the lefty. Conforto sits tonight. They switched.

A Gone out both nights.

Assumed he'd play instead of lagares
RE: .  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13910023 arcarsenal said:
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If Realmuto can be had for a reasonable price, the Mets should be aggressive and pursue that. He would be a perfect addition.


Agree. They mentioned in the broadcast the other night he asked to be traded during the fire sale too
Miguel Rojas  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 7:50 pm : link
Apparently has gone to the pre AB routine school of Chech and Nimmo
Wheels just cruising  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/11/2018 8:02 pm : link
man he is such a tease
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:03 pm : link
Wheeler looks outstanding. Just one mistake.

We gotta get on the board.
Just getting in  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 8:03 pm : link
Wheeler seems to be grooving along very efficiently.

Great  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:03 pm : link
Quick, low pitch inning
Gotta get something going.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 8:08 pm : link
This is a damn relief pitcher. Come on boys.
Bruce working the walk  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:09 pm : link
C'mon #1 catcher
Ok OK  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:11 pm : link
2 on, 1 out let's gooo
Iíd attack the first pitch here.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 8:11 pm : link
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Ugh, being no-hit by a relief pitcher.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 8:14 pm : link
This is so Mets-like lol.
RE: Ugh, being no-hit by a relief pitcher.  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13910088 PhiPsi125 said:
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This is so Mets-like lol.


this is such a throwback to all those 1 hit shutouts to spot starters.
Someone  
spike : 4/11/2018 8:18 pm : link
Hit a damn homerun for the good guys!
Wheeler  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
Doing what he can to show he wants to stay
8 curveballs and 11 sliders  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 8:23 pm : link
By Wheeler thru five innings

Also, 11 swinging strikes
Cabrera wtf?  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 8:29 pm : link
Swung at ball four twice
let's go Offense!  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 8:34 pm : link
Man, so good to see Wheeler pitching so well!
Donít really know much about this pitcher  
Everyone Relax : 4/11/2018 8:35 pm : link
but is he on a low pitch limit? Otherwise itíd be bizzare they are pulling him. Little to no stress pitches thrown
This suuuuuuuucks  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 8:39 pm : link
Ugh
Oh hey  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:41 pm : link
A hit!
Finally...thanks Frazier!  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 8:41 pm : link
Letís go!
I was very indifferent  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:41 pm : link
When they signed Frazier but he's been awesome so far
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:47 pm : link
This is so frustrating. All we need is one fucking run.
wheeler has been the most efficient starter so far...  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 8:47 pm : link
one bad pitch... the bats need to pick it up! and cespedes needs a day off!
I think  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:49 pm : link
We all called this performance from Wheeler lol
Some very nice D by Rosario  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 8:49 pm : link
Need some runs no -- get Wheeler off the hook!
Wheeler looks great as does Rosario at short  
Ira : 4/11/2018 8:50 pm : link
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RE: Some very nice D by Rosario  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13910140 jpkmets said:
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Need some runs no -- get Wheeler off the hook!


yup... lets get him the win!
RE: I think  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13910139 JayBinQueens said:
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We all called this performance from Wheeler lol


I actually literally called Wheeler would throw the best start of the season by any Mets pitcher tonight before deGrom pitched yesterday. I took a picture of it and shared it on MMO. lol.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:51 pm : link
LOL there goes our other catcher.
Oh shit  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
MVPlaw might have just broken his hand.
Ah  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
Fuck
F  
spike : 4/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
Is Nido here?

Whos fhe emergency catcher?
Fucking horrendous  
KevinBBWC : 4/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
Got to be kidding me.

He staying in for now.
RE: F  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13910148 spike said:
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Is Nido here?

Whos fhe emergency catcher?


Yes, Nido is on the bench.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:58 pm : link
Scooter!
Come on baby!  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 8:58 pm : link
Tie this fucker!
Lets go Mets!  
spike : 4/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
Come on old man! Do it for Wheels
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
Just get this run home. Please.
Score there  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
ADRIANNNNNN!!!!
2-1  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
Gonzo we love u!!
CLUTCH!!!  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
AGONE!!!
Let Conforto play everyday  
Rflairr : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
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Freaking ice cold off the bench...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
No problem. lol
Lol this team  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
Mickey just presses all the right buttons.
some clutch hits there  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
lefty of lefty crime!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
Another brilliant move by Mickey. This dude has his finger on the pulse of this team. Incredible.
Every move they make is working so far this season  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:01 pm : link
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Yay  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:01 pm : link
Winning!
Get some insurance run  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:01 pm : link
Get Nido in there please
This team is full of tiger blood  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 9:02 pm : link
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If AGon stays healthy he may turn out to be the best signing  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2018 9:02 pm : link
of the offseason. And not just in terms of value.
Big inning  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:02 pm : link
C'mon
lol  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:03 pm : link
Sweep the Leg  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:03 pm : link
!
I would consider putting Gonzalez in at 1B  
Mike in NY : 4/11/2018 9:04 pm : link
And slide reliever into Floresís spot
RE: lol  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13910179 ZGiants98 said:
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I audibly laughed at this. So stupid, but so funny.
i hope shurmer is as good as calloway  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 9:05 pm : link
everything this guy does works!
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:06 pm : link
WILLLLLLMAAAAAAAAAAAA
WILMAHHHH  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:06 pm : link
AND ITS A LAUGHER!
Lets go  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:06 pm : link
Keep grinding!
WILMAAAAA  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:06 pm : link
Big knock!
yessss!!!  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 9:06 pm : link
WILMUH!!!!
not sure Donnie Baseball  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
doing the right thing here walking Ces
Miami might  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
Lose 90+ this season
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:08 pm : link
Love that they want to pitch to Todd here.
Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 9:09 pm : link
Am I wrong?
RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13910199 ShocknAwe80 said:
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Am I wrong?


We gotta get through bottom 8 first.
RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13910199 ShocknAwe80 said:
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Am I wrong?


Still 8th inning
RE: RE: lol  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13910185 arcarsenal said:
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I audibly laughed at this. So stupid, but so funny.


I did too.... In public
what would be a reasonable package for JT Realmuto?  
CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 9:10 pm : link
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RE: Miami might  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13910195 spike said:
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Lose 90+ this season


I always root for someone to lose more than the Mets did
RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13910199 ShocknAwe80 said:
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Am I wrong?


Familia has just went one game after having been rested, why not go back to him?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:12 pm : link
That's exactly why I wanted Frazier up there - I knew at minimum, he would get Cabby home. Dude is such a pro.
LOL  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:12 pm : link
Well if they keep scoring enough it won't even be a save situation
RE: RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13910206 steve in ky said:
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Am I wrong?



Familia has just went one game after having been rested, why not go back to him?


Nah, he pitched Monday and Tuesday after being off Sunday - I think Mickey is going to use someone else in the 9th tonight.
Well Nido  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:14 pm : link
Is the starter tomorrow.
RE: RE: RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13910211 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13910199 ShocknAwe80 said:


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Am I wrong?



Familia has just went one game after having been rested, why not go back to him?



Nah, he pitched Monday and Tuesday after being off Sunday - I think Mickey is going to use someone else in the 9th tonight.


Yeah now with a three run lead I think they don't use him unless Miami scores
Donít think  
Everyone Relax : 4/11/2018 9:16 pm : link
Theyíve used Gsellman or Lugo in a few games
Blevins  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:16 pm : link
Has some saves experience
RE: RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13910206 steve in ky said:
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Am I wrong?



Familia has just went one game after having been rested, why not go back to him?


Only the 8th inning.

Might well see Fam in the 9th.
Depending on  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
How the 8th goes, can be a 2 inning save
nasty sinker to K Brinson  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
bores right in to the RHP
Good thing Mets are off tomorrow  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
They can evaluate Plawís paw another day
Gsellman is filth  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:19 pm : link
Make Vargas the most expensive long man in baseball. I dont give a damn. Use Gsellman and Lugo late in games. Boom.
RE: RE: RE: Gsellman will be going for his first career save???  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13910219 jpkmets said:
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In comment 13910199 ShocknAwe80 said:


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Am I wrong?



Familia has just went one game after having been rested, why not go back to him?



Only the 8th inning.

Might well see Fam in the 9th.


yeah... had a few beers, but can totally see him sticking with robert
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:19 pm : link
If RG doesn't need too many pitches to get through the 8th I think Mick will just keep him in there. He can go 2.
Goddamn that's a NASTY  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:20 pm : link
pitch.

Wow.
Gsellman is a  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:20 pm : link
Mini-Familia
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:20 pm : link
I think Gsellman is going to be an outstanding bullpen pitcher.
RE: .  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13910232 arcarsenal said:
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I think Gsellman is going to be an outstanding bullpen pitcher.


Hes our Andrew Miller.
wow  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
what a frame for Gsellman.

Lee just waving meekly!

I would 100% leave him in for the 9th  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
no reason not to
Nasty pitch for the strike out  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
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Scratch  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
that. No way he hits 3rd this inning
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
LOL that was one of the most half-hearted swings I've ever seen.

Leave him in there for the 9th.
Best backend of a pen in baseball??  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
Familia
Swarzak
Gsellman
Lugo
Ramos
Blevins

DAYUMM!!
RE: wow  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13910237 jpkmets said:
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what a frame for Gsellman.

Lee just waving meekly!

I don't remember the last time I saw such a feeble swing with 2 strikes
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:25 pm : link
Crazy that we still have Swarzak coming back, too...

Just gotta hope we still have a fucking catcher.
Who goes to the pen when Vargas comes back?  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 9:28 pm : link
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RE: Who goes to the pen when Vargas comes back?  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13910251 Vanzetti said:
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Unfortunately I think the plan is to send Wheeler down
But I have less confidence  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:30 pm : link
In matz
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:31 pm : link
Nice job, JB!
RE: RE: Who goes to the pen when Vargas comes back?  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13910256 JayBinQueens said:
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Unfortunately I think the plan is to send Wheeler down


Wheeler will definitely get another start after this. They slowed down Vargas's timetable recently. Ill tell you what.. If Wheeler puts another start like this together Vargas will be the highest paid long man in baseball. You cant send Wheeler down again if he's looking like this. You just cant. The more I think about it, Vargas would look excellent coming in after all our hard-throwing righties as a long man from time to time.

It's still a long shot for Wheeler because he has to do this again but Im rooting for him....

Familia
Swarzak
Gsellman
Lugo
Ramos
Blevins
Vargas (long)

Send Robles, Sewald, and Rhame to AAA.

Good Lord.
RE: RE: Who goes to the pen when Vargas comes back?  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13910256 JayBinQueens said:
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Unfortunately I think the plan is to send Wheeler down


You canít send Wheeler down. He was dominant tonight. Sandy deserves to be smacked if he sends Wheeler down
RE: But I have less confidence  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13910258 JayBinQueens said:
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In matz


Matz looked great in his last start. Im more worried about Harvey's last start but Harvey looked better in his first.. We'll see.
should have left gsellman in  
ShocknAwe80 : 4/11/2018 9:34 pm : link
what the hell was reyes going to do?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:35 pm : link
Ugh don't make this fucking interesting. Throw strikes dude. We have a 3 run lead.
RE: RE: But I have less confidence  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13910269 ZGiants98 said:
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In matz



Matz looked great in his last start. Im more worried about Harvey's last start but Harvey looked better in his first.. We'll see.


Agree, but I think Harvey has more of a bulldog mentality over matz. Matz strikes me as the type where he's great when things are going well but has issues with adversity
Is Rhame out of options?  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 9:37 pm : link
That is the only reason I can think for his making the team. He needs to really improve his command before pitching against ML hitters
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:37 pm : link
Holy shit man what a play.

10-1 baby!
10-1  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:37 pm : link
What a start!
Deuces fish  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:37 pm : link
Fuckers.
PIITB!  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:37 pm : link
Keep on truckin
Wow, what an amazing, amazing run!  
jpkmets : 4/11/2018 9:38 pm : link
Just so much fun!
8 in a row  
Mike in NY : 4/11/2018 9:38 pm : link
!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:38 pm : link
I really, really underestimated the impact Todd Frazier was going to have. He's been fucking outstanding in every way.
RE: Is Rhame out of options?  
Mike in NY : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13910278 Vanzetti said:
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That is the only reason I can think for his making the team. He needs to really improve his command before pitching against ML hitters


Ramos was out there not Rhame
RE: Is Rhame out of options?  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13910278 Vanzetti said:
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That is the only reason I can think for his making the team. He needs to really improve his command before pitching against ML hitters


No dude. He literally debuted just last year. He has three full option years left. He made the team off merit in ST because he looked good and can crank it up to 97 mph. It's not a big deal. He'll be back in AAA when Swarzak and a few other guys get back.
Keep fingers crossed on Plaw  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
We NEED him after the TdA news
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13910287 arcarsenal said:
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I really, really underestimated the impact Todd Frazier was going to have. He's been fucking outstanding in every way.


Whoohoo. LOVED that signing. I was practically begging for it all offseason. :)
Who would have though  
pjcas18 : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
Zack Wheeler, a traditionally low-inning pitcher, who didn't even make the team, would be the first starter to pitch 7 innings (I think even into the 7th inning).

This team is deep when healthy.
I have been watching the Mets since 1967  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
Nice to see them do something I have never seen. 10-1 is sweet.
It hasn't been all  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:40 pm : link
Roses so far. This team has faced some adversity and overcome it.

I'm not going to pretend this will last all year but April games count and this is huge come the dog days of summer.

Let's not rehash last night's math problem lol but 9 games over. 500 puts us in a great spot already
RE: .  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13910287 arcarsenal said:
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I really, really underestimated the impact Todd Frazier was going to have. He's been fucking outstanding in every way.


Hes an outstanding third baseman. Great signing
Are we all having a collective dream?  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 9:40 pm : link
Or are the New York Metropolitans really 10-1?
RE: Who would have though  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13910295 pjcas18 said:
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Zack Wheeler, a traditionally low-inning pitcher, who didn't even make the team, would be the first starter to pitch 7 innings (I think even into the 7th inning).

This team is deep when healthy.


Me. ;)
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JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13910293 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13910287 arcarsenal said:


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I really, really underestimated the impact Todd Frazier was going to have. He's been fucking outstanding in every way.



Whoohoo. LOVED that signing. I was practically begging for it all offseason. :)

To give credit where credit is due, you were 100% all in on the signing
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:41 pm : link
The reason why we won the division in 2015 was because we did this (well, not quite this... but close) that April too.

That's why we were able to withstand that horrendous pre-Ces summer stretch where we literally could not score to save our lives.

Don't underestimate how important these wins still are.
RE: RE: Who would have thought  
pjcas18 : 4/11/2018 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13910304 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13910295 pjcas18 said:


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Zack Wheeler, a traditionally low-inning pitcher, who didn't even make the team, would be the first starter to pitch 7 innings (I think even into the 7th inning).

This team is deep when healthy.



Me. ;)


LOL you probably did
What do the Angels want for  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:43 pm : link
Rene Rivera?
Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:45 pm : link
Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.
2nd road trip  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:45 pm : link
Sweep of 6+ games in team history

Per sny
RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13910315 ZGiants98 said:
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.


As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later
RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13910315 ZGiants98 said:
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.


If Shecky is right about the cost of acquiring him, we should be on the horn with them as soon as he's healthy. Even if Plawecki is okay.

It's early but this team clearly has the pieces to be in the mix all year. We'd be even better with Realmuto.
Mets officially have the best record in baseball  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:47 pm : link
ladies and gentleman.
Congrats Mets fans.  
section125 : 4/11/2018 9:48 pm : link
Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.
RE: RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:49 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



If Shecky is right about the cost of acquiring him, we should be on the horn with them as soon as he's healthy. Even if Plawecki is okay.

It's early but this team clearly has the pieces to be in the mix all year. We'd be even better with Realmuto.


Hopefully his back is ok? I dont even know his timetable to return. Check out the guys splits. He's actually been hurt by playing in that monstrous home park. His away splits are incredible. I'd LOVE Realmuto.
RE: Congrats Mets fans.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13910323 section125 said:
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Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.


Classy - thank you!

Just trying to enjoy it so far. I don't think even Z expected us to start off quite like this...
x-rays  
pjcas18 : 4/11/2018 9:50 pm : link
negative on Plawecki
RE: RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:50 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later


Problem is trades generally arent made this early. No matter what we offer, the Fish can be patient and shop our deal to other teams to see if anyone else bites. It's not ideal. There's a reason like 90% of all trades go down the last few days before the deadline.
RE: RE: RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:50 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



If Shecky is right about the cost of acquiring him, we should be on the horn with them as soon as he's healthy. Even if Plawecki is okay.

It's early but this team clearly has the pieces to be in the mix all year. We'd be even better with Realmuto.



Hopefully his back is ok? I dont even know his timetable to return. Check out the guys splits. He's actually been hurt by playing in that monstrous home park. His away splits are incredible. I'd LOVE Realmuto.


Yeah, dude - if he checks out physically that's a go for it move that I think makes SO much sense. He wants out of there. They will trade him if they get anything that they think can potentially help down the line I think.
RE: x-rays  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:51 pm : link
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Excellent
I could see Sandy bringing in a guy like Carlos Ruiz  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:51 pm : link
just to have a veteran catcher on board
Wheeler looked great tonight and Iím stoked to see it...BUT  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 9:53 pm : link
I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Donít mean to be the wet blanket but weíve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!
RE: RE: Congrats Mets fans.  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:53 pm : link
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Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.



Classy - thank you!

Just trying to enjoy it so far. I don't think even Z expected us to start off quite like this...


This is mostly off my MMO preview stuff. I had us at a baseline of 89 wins. I did predict a fast start because of a new coaching staff regime/new attitude and a bit of a chip on the shoulder of so many guys coming back from injury. We'll have some injuries and hit some cold streaks. It wont be rosy all year but hopefully we reinforce the team at the deadline and have no major knockout blows and coast into the postseason. ;) Things are looking good and I swear there is a ceiling for a us to be playing much better.
It took just two weeks into the season  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 9:54 pm : link
And I know Iím not alone.
I sure miss TC
RE: RE: Congrats Mets fans.  
section125 : 4/11/2018 9:54 pm : link
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Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.



Classy - thank you!

Just trying to enjoy it so far. I don't think even Z expected us to start off quite like this...


You guys were derailed by ungodly injuries last year. Virtually lost all your starters on what could be argued the best starting staff in baseball and that was just the start.

Keep up the good work.
RE: Wheeler looked great tonight and Iím stoked to see it...BUT  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13910338 PhiPsi125 said:
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I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Donít mean to be the wet blanket but weíve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!


That's true but I feel like he got BABIP'd to death in his last spring start, he looked great in his AAA start. Even Shecky said he pitched better in AAA than people were even mentioning in that start. Then tonight he comes in with a major chip on his shoulder. Let's not forget Syndergaard and deGrom struggled against this same team the last two days. Im weirdly high on Wheeler right now.
RE: It took just two weeks into the season  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13910341 Shecky said:
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And I know Iím not alone.
I sure miss TC


Bwahahaha. I dont want to pile on the guy but good lord it's nice having a manager with a brain.
RE: It took just two weeks into the season  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13910341 Shecky said:
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And I know Iím not alone.
I sure miss TC


I know you are kidding but TC did a fine job while this team weathered some real financial difficulties, but it was definitely time for a change at manager. This team is refreshing to watch.
RE: It took just two weeks into the season  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:58 pm : link
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And I know Iím not alone.
I sure miss TC


LOL

We will see how they fare against the Brew Crew

The Yanks just had a brawl witht he Sox
RE: Wheeler looked great tonight and Iím stoked to see it...BUT  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:58 pm : link
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I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Donít mean to be the wet blanket but weíve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!


What gives me confidence is that he was sent down and specifically instructed to work on mechanical things - results weren't as important.

It looks like he's adjusted and so far, the benefits are visible.

I am absolutely with you that we need to see this against better hitters - the Marlins lineup has to be the worst in baseball - but I actually think it was really important for Wheels to get this confidence boost and see that the adjustments are working.

All very good things right now.. all very good things.

Bummed we're off tomorrow! Having too much fun watching these guys, but it'll be good to get a few guys a breather. Especially Cespedes. Let him rest up and be ready to roll Friday.

Familia will be fresh for the Brew Crew too.
RE: RE: Wheeler looked great tonight and Iím stoked to see it...BUT  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 9:59 pm : link
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I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Donít mean to be the wet blanket but weíve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!



That's true but I feel like he got BABIP'd to death in his last spring start, he looked great in his AAA start. Even Shecky said he pitched better in AAA than people were even mentioning in that start. Then tonight he comes in with a major chip on his shoulder. Let's not forget Syndergaard and deGrom struggled against this same team the last two days. Im weirdly high on Wheeler right now.


No doubt, but we know what Noah and Jake can do. They have more than proved themselves. Wheeler is still sort of an unknown but with loads of potential. I was also oddly high on Wheeler this spring. Iím sure heíll have his bumps but if he can back this up with another quality performance heíll start to win me over.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:00 pm : link
Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.
Health is definitely the biggest part in all of this...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:03 pm : link
And as much as Ive trashed Collins over the years he did some good things in the clubhouse and we did go to a WS.

That said, I have wanted an analytic manager that wasn't a "feel" guy for the longest time imaginable. Everything has been planned out. He has a move for everything. I just feel like the guy stays up late doing his homework like an Eli Manning might where Terry went for beers after the game. lol.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13910361 arcarsenal said:
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Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.


I don't think Sandy ever intended for Collins to manage as long as he did. He was a great option given the state of the Mets when they hired him but then the guys kept playing hard for him, Wright was strongly in his corner, and he managed them to the WS, so he kind of earned more time.

But this change was needed and I think the entire team is responding to a fresh manger and staff.
RE: RE: RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 10:05 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later



Problem is trades generally arent made this early. No matter what we offer, the Fish can be patient and shop our deal to other teams to see if anyone else bites. It's not ideal. There's a reason like 90% of all trades go down the last few days before the deadline.


Agree, but his price is as low as Shecky insinuated, he'd be worth an overpay (assuming his back checks out and its not an absurd price)
Callaway just confirmed Wheeler is "definitely"  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:06 pm : link
getting another start. He is lined up to face the Nats on Tuesday. :)
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:09 pm : link
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Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.



I don't think Sandy ever intended for Collins to manage as long as he did. He was a great option given the state of the Mets when they hired him but then the guys kept playing hard for him, Wright was strongly in his corner, and he managed them to the WS, so he kind of earned more time.

But this change was needed and I think the entire team is responding to a fresh manger and staff.


Absolutely - I'm not suggesting that Collins should still be here or that I wanted that. It was time for a change. 1000%.

I just think Callaway has a ton of options right now because the team is really healthy.

Collins barely ever had options last year because basically EVERYONE was hurt. Mickey wouldn't have been able to to do much of anything with that, either. I don't think any manager could.

That said, the biggest difference is that Mickey is creating a much more versatile culture. He's using players in all types of roles and situations - which is a great thing to do when you keep winning, because it gives these guys experience in all different situations. This type of thing pays huge dividends later on in the year.

Collins was too rigid, I think that was his major fault. He had his guys and his way of doing things and that was that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:09 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later



Problem is trades generally arent made this early. No matter what we offer, the Fish can be patient and shop our deal to other teams to see if anyone else bites. It's not ideal. There's a reason like 90% of all trades go down the last few days before the deadline.



Agree, but his price is as low as Shecky insinuated, he'd be worth an overpay (assuming his back checks out and its not an absurd price)


I seriously would offer Gimenez. Gimenez is uber talented but the kid is still a bit away and raw. He barely cracked top 100 lists coming into this season. It's not like your parting with an untouchable piece PLUS we have Rosario. Wouldnt think twice.
Not bad considering Thor and deGrom were "off"  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:13 pm : link
"First turn ever for the Fab 5: mets are 5-0, 3.10 ERA, 7BBs, 28Ks"
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Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13910372 steve in ky said:
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Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.



I don't think Sandy ever intended for Collins to manage as long as he did. He was a great option given the state of the Mets when they hired him but then the guys kept playing hard for him, Wright was strongly in his corner, and he managed them to the WS, so he kind of earned more time.

But this change was needed and I think the entire team is responding to a fresh manger and staff.


Wright talked sandy out of firing Collins in August 2014
A big NO  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 10:23 pm : link
To Gimenez for J.T.
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NewBlue : 4/11/2018 10:31 pm : link
I want to see how the team reacts to the inevitable adversity of a losing streak. Not wishing for anything just want to see their mettle.
I have faith in Toddfatherís  
spike : 4/11/2018 10:32 pm : link
Clubhouse leadership
SHECKY  
CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 10:39 pm : link
why not? That seems fair? What do you think it would take to get him?
RE: A big NO  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:39 pm : link
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To Gimenez for J.T.


What's a realistic package look like then? lol. You already said "less". :)
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:43 pm : link
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I want to see how the team reacts to the inevitable adversity of a losing streak. Not wishing for anything just want to see their mettle.


The weird thing is... how much worse could we do from a player standpoint? Until the Wheeler start tonight no starter has been dominant. They have all been shaky including Thor and deGrom. Our best hitter has been ice cold and battling the flu. Conforto missed 5 games. We had to send Nimmo down because the pen is so taxed. The pen is missing it's best setup man. We have been getting big hits from guys like Frazier, Cabrera, and Flores but are we really even remotely hot yet? Seems like we are just grinding out wins in spite of being ice cold. What happens when this team heats up?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:48 pm : link
We will hit a rough patch sooner or later - believe that.

We will probably lose 4-5 games in a row at some point. It's going to happen.

BUT. (And Mickey touched on this in his postgame) I think it's really been huge for the team to win this way early on - because it reinforces the idea that they should never hang their heads and that they're always alive.

There's a culture forming here that will bode well for when things get dicey.

Todd Frazier is going to be invaluable when we hit rough patches. The things he said tonight about accountability and no "me" players tonight - the guy is just such a pro. And it's sad that I'm so excited about this because it's something you should always have in your clubhouse. But unfortunately, this team has been missing players like this for a long time and he was sorely needed here.

Kudos to the FO for understanding that and addressing it.

I didn't give credit for it at the time - but it's evident now as to why it was done and I certainly think they deserve some praise for that.
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CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 10:51 pm : link
our strength appears to be our depth, and our bullpen right now. We have played two series against the phillies and marlins, so i wouldn't go overboard. The 10 wins gives us a big cushion. But I don't think we're as good as our record is yet. I have my doubts about Harvey as an effective 3-4 starter, I think we've been more clutch than could be expected to continue. I DO think Lugo/Gsellman in the pen is having a very significant impact on this team. I also think Nimmo has to be back on this roster as soon as possible. I am really curious where Sandy makes moves down the line. I think we almost have to trade for an established catcher at some point. And if we're gunning for a deep run in the playoffs, I think we're going to need a strong #3 unless Matz/Harvey/Wheeler develop into one. Interesting summer ahead.
RE: z  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:00 pm : link
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our strength appears to be our depth, and our bullpen right now. We have played two series against the phillies and marlins, so i wouldn't go overboard. The 10 wins gives us a big cushion. But I don't think we're as good as our record is yet. I have my doubts about Harvey as an effective 3-4 starter, I think we've been more clutch than could be expected to continue. I DO think Lugo/Gsellman in the pen is having a very significant impact on this team. I also think Nimmo has to be back on this roster as soon as possible. I am really curious where Sandy makes moves down the line. I think we almost have to trade for an established catcher at some point. And if we're gunning for a deep run in the playoffs, I think we're going to need a strong #3 unless Matz/Harvey/Wheeler develop into one. Interesting summer ahead.


No team is as good as a 10-1 record. lol. That's like a .900 winning percentage. All Im saying is this team is loaded with talented players that arent playing well yet. We've basically been grinding and eeking out wins. I dont want to hear about the Marlins or Phillies either. Both teams put wins on the board against teams like the Cubs and we also beat the shit out of the Nats and Cardinals which are quality. Its hard to sweep ANY team in MLB. Obviosuly, we arent going to be playing at a 10-1 pace all year. All Im saying is this doesn't feel like a team playing over its head talent wise at all. It actually feels like its underachieving. And the pen is no joke. If Familia, Swarzak, Ramos, Gsellman, and Lugo stay healthy that pen will be lights out all year.
I m glad  
spike : 4/11/2018 11:01 pm : link
Eiland brought his KC Royals philosophy to this team.

Small ball, baserunning and bullpen win games. Much more than Homeruns alone
Dominic Smith with 2 doubles and a home run  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:02 pm : link
so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.
Mets r on pace for a  
spike : 4/11/2018 11:02 pm : link
147-15 record

Realmuto isn't a difference maker relative to the prospect trade cost  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2018 11:07 pm : link
would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.
RE: Mets r on pace for a  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 11:08 pm : link
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147-15 record

15 loses? Slackers
RE: Dominic Smith with 2 doubles and a home run  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 11:24 pm : link
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so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.

Anyone find Nimmo?
shecky  
CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 11:41 pm : link
why no gimenez for realmuto?
RE: Realmuto isn't a difference maker relative to the prospect trade cost  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:47 pm : link
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would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.


Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....

RE: RE: Dominic Smith with 2 doubles and a home run  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:48 pm : link
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so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.


Anyone find Nimmo?


Oh man. You are scaring me. lol
RE: RE: Realmuto isn't a difference maker relative to the prospect trade cost  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:49 pm : link
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would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.



Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....


Supposed to say "Realmuto" is a top 3 catcher if healthy.
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CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 11:50 pm : link
what do you think is a fair offer for realmuto? and do you expect the marlins to move him this summer?
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:56 pm : link
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what do you think is a fair offer for realmuto? and do you expect the marlins to move him this summer?


Sure I could see them moving him. He has no place in their rebuild. Plus he wants out. I just assumed he would cost a lot since he has years of control left. Shecky says less Ill believe him though.
Mets on pace to go 147-15  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 12:09 am : link
lol
Realmuto is the one trade asset the Marlins haven't been in a rush  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2018 12:24 am : link
to sell off. I don't think it's going to be cheap to get him, or he would have been moved in the initial firesale with everyone else. He doesn't make any money yet and he's young enough to claim they're building around.
RE: Realmuto is the one trade asset the Marlins haven't been in a rush  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:50 am : link
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to sell off. I don't think it's going to be cheap to get him, or he would have been moved in the initial firesale with everyone else. He doesn't make any money yet and he's young enough to claim they're building around.


Heís actually older than most of the players they just traded away and the reason he hasnít been traded is heís injured. He hasnít played a single game.
Realmuto  
Metnut : 4/12/2018 9:26 am : link
would be a great fit for us and fill a big need but there's no rush. Let's give Plawecki and Nido a chance. Let's make sure Realmuto is healthy. Let's see who else is on the market.

The guy who should be most nervous after last night is Matt Harvey. If Wheeler pitches well against the Nats and Harvey throws another stinker on Saturday, it'll be hard to keep Wheeler out of the rotation.
RE: RE: Realmuto isn't a difference maker relative to the prospect trade cost  
Eric on Li : 4/12/2018 9:34 am : link
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Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....


I don't dislike Realmuto but he isn't worth premium prospects. Pick any offensive stat you want he is a league average hitter. RC, XBH, OPS, OBP. I am not saying Lucroy is necessarily better, just similar and likely much cheaper to acquire. During Realmuto's back to back 3.5 WAR seasons Lucroy put up 1 better (4.6) and 1 worse (1.2), but even his worse season would have been better than any C on this roster in a few years.
Just to further illustrate the point  
Eric on Li : 4/12/2018 9:45 am : link
OPS over 16-17
Lucroy - .780 (.860. in 2016, .720 last year)
Realmuto - .775 (steady both years)

Total Defense (fangraphs)
Lucroy +21.9
Realmuto +22.9

Is it really worth giving up Gimenez or another really good prospect in the system for Realmuto? I'd much sooner ride with Plawecki for a little bit and just add a cheap veteran in a couple months if necessary.
I hope Plawecki and Nido  
spike : 4/12/2018 9:57 am : link
Would surprise and give us a lucky break
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 10:18 am : link
Realmuto wants out of there - he's going to force their hand eventually. Otherwise he's just going to be grumpy for the next 2 years.

If they were going to build around any of these guys, it would have been Ozuna and Yelich (they were never going to keep paying Stanton)

They won't be ready to compete for quite some time.

If Realmuto costs less than Gimenez, it's a no brainer.
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ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13910819 arcarsenal said:
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Realmuto wants out of there - he's going to force their hand eventually. Otherwise he's just going to be grumpy for the next 2 years.

If they were going to build around any of these guys, it would have been Ozuna and Yelich (they were never going to keep paying Stanton)

They won't be ready to compete for quite some time.

If Realmuto costs less than Gimenez, it's a no brainer.


+1.
Realmuto may cost too much  
Mike in NY : 4/12/2018 10:22 am : link
What about speaking to Colorado and see what they want for Tom Murphy? Buried in AAA right now, but I like his upside
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 10:34 am : link
If Plaw can get back into the lineup soon, I won't be terribly worried - I just think Realmuto makes a LOT of sense if the cost is reasonable. They're going to trade him - he really doesn't want to be there and there's really not much incentive to keep a grumpy player around who is just going to leave before they're ready to compete anyway.

I wouldn't mind checking in on Lucroy later on if OAK is looking to sell or even a lesser-known option like Murphy.

But if this team is going to make a push this year, we should be aggressive and try to upgrade that spot if an opportunity presents itself.
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Eric on Li : 4/12/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13910861 arcarsenal said:
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If Plaw can get back into the lineup soon, I won't be terribly worried - I just think Realmuto makes a LOT of sense if the cost is reasonable. They're going to trade him - he really doesn't want to be there and there's really not much incentive to keep a grumpy player around who is just going to leave before they're ready to compete anyway.

I wouldn't mind checking in on Lucroy later on if OAK is looking to sell or even a lesser-known option like Murphy.

But if this team is going to make a push this year, we should be aggressive and try to upgrade that spot if an opportunity presents itself.


All for being aggressive, just don't want to give up our top prospects unless a real impact player is coming back (like the Cespedes deal in '15 or the Andrew Miller/Chapman deals for Cubs/Indians). If it's a Casey Meisner or Dilson Herrera level prospect by all means. Realmuto is still cheap and with the injury his value is down so I don't expect the Fish to be in a rush to accept a cheap return.
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spike : 4/12/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13910819 arcarsenal said:
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Realmuto wants out of there - he's going to force their hand eventually. Otherwise he's just going to be grumpy for the next 2 years.

If they were going to build around any of these guys, it would have been Ozuna and Yelich (they were never going to keep paying Stanton)

They won't be ready to compete for quite some time.

If Realmuto costs less than Gimenez, it's a no brainer.


the Marlins will keep costs waaay low for many years to recoup some money from their exorbitant purchase.
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13911084 Eric on Li said:
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If Plaw can get back into the lineup soon, I won't be terribly worried - I just think Realmuto makes a LOT of sense if the cost is reasonable. They're going to trade him - he really doesn't want to be there and there's really not much incentive to keep a grumpy player around who is just going to leave before they're ready to compete anyway.

I wouldn't mind checking in on Lucroy later on if OAK is looking to sell or even a lesser-known option like Murphy.

But if this team is going to make a push this year, we should be aggressive and try to upgrade that spot if an opportunity presents itself.



All for being aggressive, just don't want to give up our top prospects unless a real impact player is coming back (like the Cespedes deal in '15 or the Andrew Miller/Chapman deals for Cubs/Indians). If it's a Casey Meisner or Dilson Herrera level prospect by all means. Realmuto is still cheap and with the injury his value is down so I don't expect the Fish to be in a rush to accept a cheap return.


Oh yeah, I think we mostly agree - I'm not looking to give up a huge haul. I just think that if it's possible to get him without needing to include Gimenez and a lesser package works, I would do it.

Just seems to make a lot of sense to check in and see if he's acquirable.
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Shecky : 4/12/2018 6:02 pm : link
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the Marlins will keep costs waaay low for many years to recoup some money from their exorbitant purchase.


Theyíre doing fine financially. No need to cut costs further when you DOUBLE A ball club outdraws your MAJOR LEAGUE club. While a New York team is in town nonetheless...
FYI Fangraphs is in Nimmo's corner  
sshin05 : 4/12/2018 6:17 pm : link
Makes a compelling argument for him.
Free Nimmo! - ( New Window )
RE: FYI Fangraphs is in Nimmo's corner  
JayBinQueens : 4/12/2018 6:53 pm : link
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Makes a compelling argument for him. Free Nimmo! - ( New Window )

I think everyone agrees nimmo played well enough to stay up. He has options though and they needed arms. I think he'll be up relatively soon
Nimmo has to get back up and get in the OF  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:02 pm : link
rotation. Iím sorry but heís more valuable than getting Sewald one appearance every two weeks.

With Lugo and Gsellman in the pen there is no reason we also need a 8 man pen.
Man I miss baseball tonight...  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:03 pm : link
BOO!
RE: Nimmo has to get back up and get in the OF  
Mike in NY : 4/12/2018 7:04 pm : link
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rotation. Iím sorry but heís more valuable than getting Sewald one appearance every two weeks.

With Lugo and Gsellman in the pen there is no reason we also need a 8 man pen.


Against righties and no DH there is no space unless our 1B are struggling
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 7:06 pm : link
It's dicey - he really deserves to be up here right now. But if we can't get him regular PT here, I don't want him to rot away on the bench. He needs to keep playing whether it's here or Vegas.

There's really not much we can do. Conforto and Cespedes should be playing every day. Bruce is only going to sit if it's a really tough lefty or he needs a maintenance day.

AGon has been really good so far too - so we can't even put Bruce at 1B to open up a spot for Nimmo.

And then there's Lagares who we can use against lefties and will come in for late game defense when we're protecting leads.

I just don't see how Mickey can possibly get Nimmo the AB's he deserves right now. It sucks for Brandon but there's really no easy answer.
The more I think about it the more I want  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:06 pm : link
Vargas in the pen too. Lugo, Gsellman, and Vargas will make our 7 man pen look like 10. That soft tossing lefty will probably look great coming in after a bunch of hard throwing righties. Darren Oliver 2.0.
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 7:09 pm : link
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Vargas in the pen too. Lugo, Gsellman, and Vargas will make our 7 man pen look like 10. That soft tossing lefty will probably look great coming in after a bunch of hard throwing righties. Darren Oliver 2.0.


That's what I want too - Wheeler looked fucking awesome and if the adjustment he made was the reason, he might have a better year than both Matz AND Harvey. He looked fantastic.

Vargas definitely didn't sign here to be a long man and I have a feeling he'd be miffed at it - but hey. Either buy in or get lost. Frazier said it last night... no "me" guys here. Everyone is a team player
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ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13912042 Mike in NY said:
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rotation. Iím sorry but heís more valuable than getting Sewald one appearance every two weeks.

With Lugo and Gsellman in the pen there is no reason we also need a 8 man pen.



Against righties and no DH there is no space unless our 1B are struggling


No space for what? There is zero reason why every person in our OF and AGone canít get one day off a week (Bruce slides over) but forget about that. Nimmo is an impossible out late in the game coming off the bench. Who on our bench do you bring in to face a tough righty right now?
I just think itís a 162 game season  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:14 pm : link
Cespedes and Bruce are in their 30s, AGone is 35 coming off a year with a bad back, Conforto is easing back after a shoulder injury. Why canít these guys get one day off a week?

I know we all want to see the ďA lineupĒ every day but the season is 6 months long and these guys play every day. Keep everyone fresh.
It's week 2 of the season.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2018 7:17 pm : link
There'll be plenty of time off.
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ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13912048 arcarsenal said:
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Vargas in the pen too. Lugo, Gsellman, and Vargas will make our 7 man pen look like 10. That soft tossing lefty will probably look great coming in after a bunch of hard throwing righties. Darren Oliver 2.0.



That's what I want too - Wheeler looked fucking awesome and if the adjustment he made was the reason, he might have a better year than both Matz AND Harvey. He looked fantastic.

Vargas definitely didn't sign here to be a long man and I have a feeling he'd be miffed at it - but hey. Either buy in or get lost. Frazier said it last night... no "me" guys here. Everyone is a team player


Yup exactly. Heís an older guy and throws junk. I envision a rubber like Colon arm. You canít send Wheeler down if he keeps pitching he way he is and Callaway made it seem like he was damn excited for Wheelers next start against the Nats. You in essence are still keeping Vargas for SP depth. He can slide into the rotation at any time if a pitcher goes down or faulters.
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 7:18 pm : link
They can - I'd be fine with that. I just think even still it would be kind of hard to juggle.

But if Mickey could get Nimmo 3-4 starts a week, I'd love for him to be back up. Kid is putting together some great AB's and looks like he's taking the next step
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ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 7:22 pm : link
Nimmo is "developing". I think the dude has arrived. I almost consider him as good as most of the guys we are talking about him replacing and all 4 of them are former all-stars. Nimmo just looks polished all of the sudden. No more deer in the headlights. Just relaxed and knows he belongs. I dont really feel like there is much for him to do in Vegas.
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 7:32 pm : link
Yeah, I think my concern would just be that if there's not enough AB's for him here it could kind of "stall" his development at a time where he seems to really be putting it together.

I'm sure he can still improve from here. I just don't want to stunt him when he's in a really good spot developmentally.

This stuff always has a way of working itself out, though...

Just keep winning.
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spike : 4/12/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13912058 ZGiants98 said:
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Cespedes and Bruce are in their 30s, AGone is 35 coming off a year with a bad back, Conforto is easing back after a shoulder injury. Why canít these guys get one day off a week?

I know we all want to see the ďA lineupĒ every day but the season is 6 months long and these guys play every day. Keep everyone fresh.


U need all your depth to play 162 games plus postseason
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ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 8:21 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 9:33 pm : link
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LOL, I can hear the sound in my head..

"UUHHHHHHHHHH"
The way Nimmo works the count  
sshin05 : 4/12/2018 11:09 pm : link
coming back from 0-2 to full to getting on base one way or another, he's probably the best guy at the top of the lineup. If he can figure out lefties just a little, he can be an everyday player. If A-gon's age actually catches up to him this year, its feasible to put bruce at first and start conforto and nimmo every day. In the end, there's nothing wrong with having a good amount of depth once injuries occur.
I know I won't get my wish...  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 11:22 pm : link
But I still start Nimmo 4 days a week and he's my main pinch hitter in the other 2-3 games. I agree injuries will happen but I still have Nimmo up now rotating in and out with guys. He's a sparkplug off the bench and seems to be awesome in the clubhouse.

I also agree though that if they are not inclined to do that and want to start Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, and AGone every day then that won't cut it either.

Great problem to have I guess.

We are starting to get logjams all over the roster. Like I've mentioned when everyone's back there is a good chance Sewald, Robles, and Rhame all have to head back to AAA. The rotation has a bunch of guys deserving of spots on the outside looking in.

Smith with 2 doubles last night and a HR is likely going to make things very interesting on AGone eventually.

Heck, Cecchini and his supposed fixed swing is hitting in Vegas although it's very early.

Really the only issue is catcher and it's a brand new issue due to injury. Lot's of interesting situations developing though.
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