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LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/12/2018 1:44 am
Just got the alert on my phone.
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My fear  
Pete44 : 4/12/2018 9:27 am : link
Jackson is really campaigning for the job through Stephen A and Mills is pretty connected to Stephen A from what I have heard.
RE: My fear  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13910693 Pete44 said:
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Jackson is really campaigning for the job through Stephen A and Mills is pretty connected to Stephen A from what I have heard.


You can say the same thing about blatt though...

I do think mills and Perry have an idea on who they want, only reason to move this quickly
And to fire rambis that quickly as well  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 9:31 am : link
..
random Lance stats from this miserable season:  
Enzo : 4/12/2018 9:37 am : link
Jarret Jack had more rebounds than Lance.
Courtney Lee had more blocked shots than Lance
RE: Mark  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 13910675 DanMetroMan said:
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Jackson would be a disaster. A true disaster.


In other words, the inevitable Knicks choice.
RE: RE: Mark  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13910718 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13910675 DanMetroMan said:


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Jackson would be a disaster. A true disaster.



In other words, the inevitable Knicks choice.


I think the only way he is hired is if he becomes an assistant with van gundy as head coach
Just as an intellectual exercise  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2018 9:44 am : link
Jay Wright - yay or nay?
RE: RE: RE: Mark  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13910719 nygiants16 said:
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I think the only way he is hired is if he becomes an assistant with van gundy as head coach


Van Gundy? Of all of the insults the organization hurls at its fans, bringing back that quitter bitch would be the pinnacle.
Don’t you have to give....  
bw in dc : 4/12/2018 9:45 am : link
Jay Wright a call?
Would have made Mills and Perry bring in some more talent  
ghost718 : 4/12/2018 9:47 am : link
rather than fire Hornacek. Especially after last years major acquisition,Tim Hardaway jr.

But that's how it goes,Dolan wants this guy to succeed.
RE: Just as an intellectual exercise  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13910724 Greg from LI said:
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Jay Wright - yay or nay?


I think he is a fantastic coach, I always get nervous with hiring established college coaches
Second  
DanMetroMan : 4/12/2018 9:48 am : link
hand stuff but was told by a writer that Jackson has tons of enemies around the league. That a perspective job opening had a team calling asking about him and the negative comments were above and beyond. They called ex-teammates too and a HOF teammate called him a "snake" and one of his least favorite ex-teammates.
RE: Just as an intellectual exercise  
Enzo : 4/12/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13910724 Greg from LI said:
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Jay Wright - yay or nay?

I would offer him a blank check. But if he leaves for the pros he's going to have his choice of several jobs...and if you have your choice of jobs why would you take this job?
Van Gundy might be too wise to the ways  
ghost718 : 4/12/2018 9:49 am : link
I could see them going for young and inexperienced
I get that reluctance  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2018 9:50 am : link
There are certainly plenty of accomplished college coaches who flopped in the NBA.
I have basially forgotten about the Knicks  
Essex : 4/12/2018 10:01 am : link
since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.
Mark Jackson's another guy stuck in his era  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2018 10:04 am : link
I'm really not yet over Phil Jackson insisting on playing 1995 NBA basketball. We don't need to revisit that.
RE: I have basially forgotten about the Knicks  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 13910767 Essex said:
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since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.


Did you love the way he up and quit on the team a month into the season?
So when KP takes the court next season  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 10:08 am : link
he'll be playing for his fourth coach in four years. Gotta love this franchise. Maybe we'll get it right this time - Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek are about as bad as it gets.
RE: I get that reluctance  
Enzo : 4/12/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13910747 Greg from LI said:
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There are certainly plenty of accomplished college coaches who flopped in the NBA.

but do they fail a rate greater than guys that come up as assistants in the NBA or ex players?
I don't know if he'd be  
Enzo : 4/12/2018 10:11 am : link
the right fit for the Knicks at this point in time, but I wouldn't rule out Jason Kidd either.
Please,  
JohnG in Albany : 4/12/2018 10:12 am : link
no Mark Jackson.
RE: RE: I have basially forgotten about the Knicks  
Essex : 4/12/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13910780 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13910767 Essex said:


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since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.



Did you love the way he up and quit on the team a month into the season?

Yes, I did. He was burnt out, if I remember correctly. He is a human being and we can all relate to that. And, didn't he actually sit out a year before going to Houston, I can't remember, but I always thought he did--which would support the theory that he had burnt out
van Gundy??? Why do you want guy who hasn't coached  
Victor in CT : 4/12/2018 10:14 am : link
for 11 years??
Bondy says we're gonna reach out to Jay Wright.  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 10:15 am : link
Good crop of candidates this year.
RE: RE: I get that reluctance  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13910793 Enzo said:
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In comment 13910747 Greg from LI said:


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There are certainly plenty of accomplished college coaches who flopped in the NBA.


but do they fail a rate greater than guys that come up as assistants in the NBA or ex players?


Don't know the answer...

If Jay Wright is hired I wont be angry, or anything like that, i wont think it is a bad hire, just nervous...

RE: van Gundy??? Why do you want guy who hasn't coached  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13910806 Victor in CT said:
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for 11 years??


He is coaching again albeit on the team USA level and I believe it is under 19 guys
RE: van Gundy??? Why do you want guy who hasn't coached  
Essex : 4/12/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13910806 Victor in CT said:
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for 11 years??

I don't follow the NBA much anymore, and I admit my selection is from the heart and not the head, but I saw the list that they had published of candidates and none of them seemed to me to be more appealing than VG, even if he had been out of coaching for 11 years.
So, meanwhile, four roster questions.  
manh george : 4/12/2018 10:29 am : link
1) Does Kanter come back? Do they want him back at his likely price? If not, who plays center?

2) Does Beasley get re-signed?

3) What do they do with Mudiay? I'm assuming Frank stays at pg with Burke, with Hardaway, Lee and Dotson at the two. That's a lot of slots.

4) Whither in the draft? It seems to come down, strangely, to a pg or Wendell Carter or one of the sfs, most likely Mikhail Bridges. If they keep Kanter or find another center, adding a quality SF, getting KP back and seeing Frank mature physically creates a significantly stronger team. Not contending, but at least competitive--with the right coach.

I really believe that with two more summers for strengthening, learning and working on the 3, and one more NBA season, Frank could be pretty dazzling.
To the people who say  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 10:34 am : link
Knicks need more talent you are 100 percent correct..

But this team also needs a coach that isn't a puppet and actually lifts the Knicks up and give them some credibility...

I think Lee's played his last game as a Knick.  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 10:35 am : link
They phased him out a bit down the stretch and probably should've already traded him. That should break the logjam. Frank, Burke, Hardaway and Dotson should get most of the guard minutes. Baker and Mudiay are afterthoughts - dump them, cut them, bench them...whatever.

I'd be shocked if we drafted something other than a forward - either of the Bridges or Knox.
RE: So, meanwhile, four roster questions.  
giantsfan44ab : 4/12/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 13910844 manh george said:
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1) Does Kanter come back? Do they want him back at his likely price? If not, who plays center?

2) Does Beasley get re-signed?

3) What do they do with Mudiay? I'm assuming Frank stays at pg with Burke, with Hardaway, Lee and Dotson at the two. That's a lot of slots.

4) Whither in the draft? It seems to come down, strangely, to a pg or Wendell Carter or one of the sfs, most likely Mikhail Bridges. If they keep Kanter or find another center, adding a quality SF, getting KP back and seeing Frank mature physically creates a significantly stronger team. Not contending, but at least competitive--with the right coach.

I really believe that with two more summers for strengthening, learning and working on the 3, and one more NBA season, Frank could be pretty dazzling.


1.) I hope not (unless takes a STEEP discount, not happening). They have 3 picks and if he leaves, plenty of cap space/exceptions. Not hard to find a 5 in the NBA.

2.) Doesn't make sense to bring Beasley back.

3.) GIven up hope on Mudiay. Just let him play the season out and let him walk. Maybe get lucky and get a late 2nd rounder or throw him in as a "sweetener" in some deal.

4.) Pick a 3/5. A PG doesn't make too much sense (both in context of BPA and need).
No clue about Kanter.  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 10:37 am : link
Logic dictates he's opting in, but who knows? I'd love to see him go. I have no issue trying to squeeze a little more out of Noah in that scenario, now that Hornacek's a goner.
Stackhouse would be an interesting  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/12/2018 10:43 am : link
hire.
Jay wright or bust  
Justlurking : 4/12/2018 10:52 am : link
Do something right Knicks.
I think trying to lure Wright from Nova is like trying to lure Saban  
Del Shofner : 4/12/2018 11:05 am : link
from Bama. Some coaches are already in their dream jobs. I think Wright's wife is from Philly, maybe even a Nova grad? And he makes more money than he can spend, has a great recruiting platform, and is idolized. Why leave that for a shitshow like the Knicks?

Not that he'd be a bad fit, just that I don't see it happening.
Jay Wright is the move  
Phil in LA : 4/12/2018 11:09 am : link
but they'll do something stupid.
RE: I think trying to lure Wright from Nova is like trying to lure Saban  
Enzo : 4/12/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13910913 Del Shofner said:
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from Bama. Some coaches are already in their dream jobs. I think Wright's wife is from Philly, maybe even a Nova grad? And he makes more money than he can spend, has a great recruiting platform, and is idolized. Why leave that for a shitshow like the Knicks?

Not that he'd be a bad fit, just that I don't see it happening.

I don't think he's coming to the Knicks - but I don't think it's out of the question that one or more NBA teams offer to double his salary. He's not exactly a young guy so maybe he looks to cash in while he can. If he fails in the NBA, he can always go back to college and have his pick of top jobs.
Jay Wright  
Pete44 : 4/12/2018 11:22 am : link
Wright will listen to get more money out of Nova.

I'm glad to see a real search though, not the Phil Jackson search of only triangle coaches.
I think it will be Blatt or Stackhouse  
Heisenberg : 4/12/2018 11:37 am : link
I kinda like the Stackhouse idea, tbh. But Blatt also seems to be a good fit. I would like Fizdale too.

I can't imagine Wright wants to leave Nova to work for Dolan.
Mark Jackson or Doc rivers would be terrible  
GMEN46 : 4/12/2018 11:38 am : link
Options. Take it for what it’s worth, but it Is well know in NBA circles that players hate Doc Rivers and think he is a bad coach, but even worse a very lazy coach. Apparently the guy likes the golf course a little too much. Also have heard the same as others on Mark Jackson. While I love Van Gubdy as a coach, the game has changed so much and he is 10 years older now. I think for a rebuild a younger coach that can relate more to younger players. Whether you like them or not millennials as a whole are such a different group of people. I think it’s import to be able to relate to them to be successful. Jay Wright is the clear favorite for me. I have always liked him as a coach and you can tel by how hard his players play how much they respect him.
Press conference at 12  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 11:44 am : link
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don't believe everything you read  
djm : 4/12/2018 11:48 am : link
but there is a shit load of bad chatter on Action Jackson's overall history with the NBA, notably his tenure in GS:

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You want it in chronological order? I don't have the full list (there's just way too much stuff to remember off the top of my head), but here goes.

Staged a coup of John Stockton while he was on the Jazz, causing Stockton to retire.
Cheated on his wife with a stripper, then getting blackmailed by the prostitute + some other guy, while at the same time being a born-again pastor
Bristled at Mike Malone being the assistant coach under him (ownership wanted him to be the Associate Head Coach, like Gentry was with Kerr, but when Jackson found out he said NO WAY
Didn't let assistant coaches do interviews with press because he thought they were gunning for his job
Pushed Malone out because Jackson thought Malone was gunning for his job
Ran ISO-ball all the time
Instilled a "us vs them" where the "them" was the entire front office. He would tell the players that the front office didn't want them to win so that Mark Jackson would look bad. C'mon that's lunacy
Barred Jerry West and Jim Barnett (the beloved TV color guy) along with everyone else from practices so they couldn't hear the crazy shit he said to the team
Told the team Ezeli was rooting for them to lose so that Ezeli would look better (he was injured). This culminated in Ezeli in tears saying that there was no way he would do this, when confronted by the team
Told the team that Harrison Barnes was possessed by a demon, which is why he regressed
Darren Erman, the assistant responsible for the defense after Mike Malone left, was recording Mark Jackson surreptitiously to try and capture the crazy shit like the Harrison Barnes demon thing and the Ezeli thing, but was caught and fired
Noted homophobe, including the "I'll pray for him" when discussing Jason Collins coming out. This doesn't fly in the bay area when a lot of the team staff is gay and so is the front office, including the COO/President Rick Welts
Didn't want to hire actual good assistants, instead, he hired yes-men like Pete Myers and Lindsay Hunter, who backstabbed Alvin Gentry in Phoenix to get the head job
All the coaching staff were allying themselves with star players instead of the players who actually needed their help/development, so a lot players like Barnes didn't get the development time and help they needed
He put players against each other, telling a star player "hey that bench thinks he's better than you" and then telling the bench guy "hey that star guy thinks you're shit, go take his job"
Didn't get along with anyone in the front office, including Jerry West, Bob Myers, and actually the rest of the employees (marketing, PR, etc)
No preparation. He said in the Clippers series that he didn't need to prepare extra hours, when Doc Rivers was up all night devising schemes
Not to mention that he was just a really horrible coach. I'm sure I left out a lot of stuff.

Edit: I see you guys asking for a source on the Barnes Demon thing. One source is a message board post where a guy said he talked to Darren Erman in a bar, and Erman told him the story. The second (the one I personally believe) source is a Warriors reporter telling me this personally. I can't give you guys proof of this since he told it to me, so you'll have to take it w/ a grain of salt. I don't expect you guys to trust some random guy's word online, so make of it what you will. But to me that's 2 sources (one personal, which makes it more believable to me).

I forgot some more post-coaching shitty things he did:

Saying rim protectors are obsolete, which threw shade on Bogut, and then saying Deandre Jordan was the DPOY (over Draymond) because of his rim protection
Wanting to take credit for Kerr's success talking about caterpillars and butterflies
Saying Curry was not the MVP, which is fair, but not what you expect someone to say when Curry went to bat to keep Jackson's job. Maybe thought Curry didn't try hard enough, which is bullshit since Curry tried very hard and stumped for Jackson personally
Saying Curry was ruining the game
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[–]jurroot 28 points 2 years ago
The three big ones I've read about are (1) he's a religious zealot; and (2) execs hid the news he got caught with a hooker; and (3) his ego kept him from taking any criticism.

He's a preacher. On Sunday's, even on the road he would find church's to preach at. This caused problems in the locker room because when games fell on Sunday's there were two team buses. One for the guys who would listen to him preach and the other bus for the rest of the guys. He also was involved in pre game prayer. I guess a lot of stadiums have do signaled pre game prayer rooms where guys from both teams show up. Also became a decisive issue. Also was supposedly part of starting the clippers rivalry (shit going down in the prayer room pregame).

Pretty legit tumors that despite his preacher/Christian persona he got caught with a hooker on the road. Somehow management was able to keep it out of the news cycle.

After hooker incident team execs really lost patience with his preacher bullshit. Jackson then started getting very paranoid to the point that assistants thought he was bugging their offices. Jackson refused to allow The Logo to show up to practices. Finally his offense was just horrendous. He was a great motivator but terrible



there are plenty of sauces...that's from reddit
Link - ( New Window )
Surprised no one else mentions  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/12/2018 11:49 am : link
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.

Stackhouse? Really? Why?

And no thanks to JVG. He's the Bill Cowher of the NBA.
and don't forget  
djm : 4/12/2018 11:50 am : link
Jackson never lasted in any particular place for very long. Dude played everywhere. Bounced around is being kind.

From all accounts, Jackson is nuts.
Mark Jackson's history is well known.  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 11:50 am : link
The fact that Stephen A. Smith is so obsessed with Jackson getting the job shows you how far SAS's head is up his own ass.
RE: ho hum. NEXT  
djm : 4/12/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13910588 Victor in CT said:
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Dolan is still owner. Nothing will change


Right, because (perceived) asshole slimy owners never win...or teams that never won will never win ever...

Cubs
Philly
Sox
Donald Sterling
Steinbrenner

RE: Mark Jackson's history is well known.  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13911041 bceagle05 said:
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The fact that Stephen A. Smith is so obsessed with Jackson getting the job shows you how far SAS's head is up his own ass.


If mark jackson was white he would not be pushing for him
RE: Surprised no one else mentions  
Heisenberg : 4/12/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13911034 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.

Stackhouse? Really? Why?

And no thanks to JVG. He's the Bill Cowher of the NBA.


Stackhouse is a legit up and coming coaching prospect. His G league teams have been the best defensive team both years he's been a coach, too. That's music to my ears.
Here's a good link about him with a really good mini documentary about him as well. - ( New Window )
Cool Oakley cameo in the doc, too  
Heisenberg : 4/12/2018 11:58 am : link
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