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Eric Reid Situation Is BS

KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:10 am
The Bengals are OK with guys like Mixon and his KO of a girl on video. That gets you drafted in round 2 in 2017.

Reid goes there and the Bengals owner has a problem and won't sign him because of his protests.

The entire NFL is full of shit. And the NFLPA isn't doing shit about it either.

Where is the outrage with the treatment of Reid?

Kapernick? You could blame it on his struggles as a passer, not fitting the scheme, and game plan issues as a backup.

Reid? He's in his prime. He can play on any team and help you win right now. There are no excuses with this player. There is no reason a 26 year old S/LB of his skill doesn't have plenty of action right now.

Why aren't teams signing him? Why aren't the Giants signing him? Who is asking this question to the NYG? I want to hear the answer from them.

Reid could play with Collins. He could move up to LB. Play S. And give us a lot of flexibility. Why aren't the Giants bringing him in? Because he took a knee during the anthem? This guy's livelihood is being ripped from him because of it while the NFL has no problem signing guys like Hardy, Mixon, etc.

"Why aren't you bringing in Eric Reid?"

I want this question answered clearly by the NYG. He can help the team and he can be signed at a bargain because of this BS. But they still don't even bring him in? Why?
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Obviously  
QB Snacks : 4/12/2018 11:13 am : link
the whole "disrespect the flag" thing is bullshit. Half the stadium is wasted buying another beer or taking a leak during the anthem.
yes it is.  
Capt. Don : 4/12/2018 11:16 am : link
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arcarsenal : 4/12/2018 11:17 am : link
It is bullshit - really ridiculous and I don't understand it.
He said he won't kneel  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:17 am : link
Even if you have a problem with what he did, doesn't this player (at his age and skill) deserve a "2nd chance"?

Hardy kidnaps a woman gets a 2nd chance. Little kills a woman and gets to play again. This the NFL can work with. But Reid gets screwed for what? And he said he won't do it again.

But he can't even get in the door for a talk with teams that need S help like our NYG?

Its ridiculous. I can't believe our NTG won't see this as a guranteeed opportunity to improve that horseshit product they put on the field last year.
While I agree,  
Mad Mike : 4/12/2018 11:19 am : link
it's not just the nfl that's full of it. They're reflecting attitudes of much of the fanbase. That obviously doesn't make it right, but it's not just them, it's society that has ridiculous notions of what's wrong and what's not so wrong.
I have the right to protest something that's important to me  
Csonka : 4/12/2018 11:20 am : link
I make that decision knowing there might be repercussions. I won't be arrested if I protest peacefully, because my freedom of speech is protected. But I'm not guaranteed anything beyond that. I can't force someone to hire me. My actions have consequences, good or bad.
It is bull  
MadPlaid : 4/12/2018 11:20 am : link
The dude should be getting interviews and get signed. The NFL is too chickenshit to try because they are worried about fallout. Oh, some fans won't like it. They are going to yell at me and stuff. Horsehockey!
Agree it is stupid  
Mike from Ohio : 4/12/2018 11:20 am : link
but also pretty sure no team is going to say anything beyond the ol' Jerry Reese standby of "we evaluate all options." No team will come out and say they don't want the bad press and reaction from a small portion of their fan base that sees those who kneel as hating America and spitting on the military.
They'd never do it  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 11:21 am : link
but I'd love it if the players boycotted offseason activities until he was signed.
You're 100% right.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/12/2018 11:21 am : link
It's absolutely absurd, hypocritical, sanctimonious, stupid, pandering, and embarrassing.
Except  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2018 11:21 am : link
your argument does seem to be supported by conflicting evidence. Other players who kneel - including Michael Thomas by the Giants - have been signed by other teams.

The Giants traded JPP and kept Olivier Vernon.

Your argument that the Giants (and many other teams) are discriminating doesn't hold water.

But this is the victim mentality.
This situation really bothers me  
Kyle in NY : 4/12/2018 11:22 am : link
NFL owners are largely a hypocritical group and its harming the perception of the league.
Fans dont know enough about him for owners to care that much  
MetsAreBack : 4/12/2018 11:23 am : link

well, except the notorious Bengals owner who everyone already knew was bat-shit.

How was his play the past few years? Is he above average at his position? I havent really followed, other than knowing he was originally a high draft pick.

I do think this "protest" was stupid - you dont do this on company time. But i also think all the forced patriotism at sports events in general - is equally stupid. Makes no sense why sports events are where everyone has to thank the troops and pledge allegiance to the flag. Why not at the beginning of a movie or when you begin your work day?
Really Eric?  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:24 am : link
Then why isn't Eric Reid signed?

Or even offered a contract?

Answer that question
RE: Except  
QB Snacks : 4/12/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13910950 Eric from BBI said:
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your argument does seem to be supported by conflicting evidence. Other players who kneel - including Michael Thomas by the Giants - have been signed by other teams.

The Giants traded JPP and kept Olivier Vernon.

Your argument that the Giants (and many other teams) are discriminating doesn't hold water.

But this is the victim mentality.


Give me a break. Explain why this guy isnt signed?
How bout senile old Bob McNair  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 11:25 am : link
saying he regrets apologizing for calling his players "inmates?"
And I say that as tonight in our nation's Capital...  
MetsAreBack : 4/12/2018 11:25 am : link
Ovechkin and 10 other Russian / Eastern European teammates are forced to stand and sing the American National Anthem before game 1 of their playoff matchup with Columbus.

Makes. No. Sense.
The Bengals are probably the biggest hypocrites  
jeff57 : 4/12/2018 11:25 am : link
But they're not the only one.
does the fact that Eric Reid has said  
Giantsfan79 : 4/12/2018 11:27 am : link
he wants at least 7 million a year have anything to do with the lack of interest in his services?
QB Snacks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2018 11:27 am : link
Perhaps he beats his dog. Who the hell knows.

But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.

You people falling for a false media narrative.

KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?
"Giants traded JPP and kept Olivier Vernon."  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:27 am : link
This means nothing. Really, Nothing.

They traded an older player coming off a subpar year and a guy with a disability. And kept the better and younger player. What does this tell us about the NYH? Nothing.

"Victim mentality"? Explain that one.

This is an excellent young player. He hasn't seen a contract offer.

Nobody is playing victim here. Explain why he hasn't seen a contract offer?
This is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/12/2018 11:28 am : link
a bit of a strawman argument.

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Really Eric?
KWALL2 : 11:24 am : link : reply
Then why isn't Eric Reid signed?

Or even offered a contract?

Answer that question


Do you really expect fans or people who haven't evaluated Reid as needing to understand why a guy isn't signed? Do you know he hasn't been offered a contract?

Stuff like this may be BS, but claiming that it is simply because the guy isn't signed is jumping the gun a bit.

Here it is, once again...for those who still don't get it  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 11:28 am : link
It is about the money. Mixon, whose crime was adjudicated and occurred several years prior to being drafted and whom had apologized and been forgiven by the woman, does not alienate and trigger boycotts of the product.

Sure, a few people might be disillusioned and not watch because of him.

However, publicly protesting the anthem in uniform on game day in front of the country, will cause a large portion of the fan base to tune out, and boycott. Some of these people will never come back. If a lot of Giants players did this without repercussion, I would be one of them.

Further, any repercussion against that player for the offending action will likewise cause a boycott from the other half of the population that agrees with him, therefore the player puts the organization in a no-win situation in which losing money and customers is the only outcome.

The player is affecting the bottom line of a company the player has the smallest stake in.

How about you start a business, grow it to be a significant fixture in your town, and then, one of your employees stands out in front of your building, wearing your company clothes with your logo, and starts protesting and potraying a view that is offensive to half of your customers.

Whether you agreed with the employee or not, I bet you'd fire him, because he just hurt your business significantly, taking money not only out of your pocket, but the pockets of everyone else who relies on you to write them checks.

It's incredibly selfish and wrong to just say you are going to represent an organization on a political issue one way without any input from that organization and they will simply just have to deal with it.

The only recourse for the NFL is to wait it out, and not re-sign the player, because nobody can force a team to choose to hire an individual, and there is plausibly other reasons other than the political position in which any individual team might give as a reason for not seeking an employment contract with the player.

In summary, he made his bed, he's lying in it, and each one of these players, in my opinion, have gotten off way too easy by the NFL and their member teams.



Actually beating and killing dogs gets  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:28 am : link
you a 2nd chance. So try again.

Why isn't this player signed?
RE: Really Eric?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13910957 KWALL2 said:
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Then why isn't Eric Reid signed?

Or even offered a contract?

Answer that question


Why was Michael Thomas signed.

Answer that question.

(See how stupid that logic is?)
Knowing how easily the league tends to over look character flaws  
JonC : 4/12/2018 11:29 am : link
it suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of.
Wiow  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:29 am : link
[quoteleach one of these players, in my opinion, have gotten off way too easy by the NFL and their member teams[/quote]

WTF does that mean?
KWALL2  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2018 11:30 am : link
You've been conditioned to believe everyone is a victim, even when they aren't. That's what I meant.
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while...  
2ndroundKO : 4/12/2018 11:31 am : link
How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?

But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Bottom line  
Carl in CT : 4/12/2018 11:32 am : link
Owners own teams. They can do what they want as far as who gets a contract and who does not. Just like the player can protest so can the fan. Don’t buy tickets or watch games if it’s against what you believe in. Otherwise keep your political views to yourself.
RE: Knowing how easily the league tends to over look character flaws  
Kyle in NY : 4/12/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13910975 JonC said:
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it suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of.


But what is Eric Reid's character flaw in this instance? I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, unfortunately.
To follow up  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 11:33 am : link
Because Eric has rightfully mentioned others that have been signed who kneeled, Reid is one of the more prominent fixtures who have made statements with national coverage. Others have kneeled quietly but haven't been as "loud" and not as much national attention has been given to them.
RE: That might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13910981 2ndroundKO said:
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How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?

But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.


Not sure why this is terribly difficult for you to understand. KWALL is asserting that Eric Reid hasn't been signed by the Giants because he's a victim of discrimination. Again, where there is no evidence that the Giants have discriminating against kneelers. (I would argue the opposite...Mara and the Giants seem to have been supportive). But facts be damned, the Giants discriminate and Reid is a victim!
I’ve been conditioned?  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:34 am : link
Sure.

I’m talking about this player. I know what he can do and I know what the league values in a player but no contract and even the Bengals and their team of convicts have an issue.
RE: To follow up  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13910988 allstarjim said:
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Because Eric has rightfully mentioned others that have been signed who kneeled, Reid is one of the more prominent fixtures who have made statements with national coverage. Others have kneeled quietly but haven't been as "loud" and not as much national attention has been given to them.


Michael Thomas was very vocal in Miami. Just Google it.
Political view?  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 11:34 am : link
Being pissed off that innocent African-Americans are routinely gunned down by police officers is seen as politics? Perhaps we've just stumbled upon the root of the problem.
Victim mentality.  
Mad Mike : 4/12/2018 11:35 am : link
That's fantastic, if unsurprising.
RE: Wiow  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 13910978 KWALL2 said:
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[quoteleach one of these players, in my opinion, have gotten off way too easy by the NFL and their member teams


WTF does that mean? [/quote]

It means that, in my opinion, the first time they did this, they should've been released. The NFL should've nipped this in the bud right from the get-go. The NFL is in the football/entertainment business, and politics shouldn't have ever been given a platform on the field. At minimum, significant suspensions should've been given if not outright release.
By the way, Brandon Weeden and RGIII are back in the NFL.  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 11:36 am : link
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RE: Political view?  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13910995 bceagle05 said:
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Being pissed off that innocent African-Americans are routinely gunned down by police officers is seen as politics? Perhaps we've just stumbled upon the root of the problem.


Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.
RE: QB Snacks  
Capt. Don : 4/12/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 13910967 Eric from BBI said:
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Perhaps he beats his dog. Who the hell knows.

But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.

You people falling for a false media narrative.

KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?


Reid was one of the very first to join Kaepernick and was very vocal about it. I had no idea Thomas even knelt. That is the difference.

If it bares no weight on whether the Bengals sign him, then why did they ask him about it.
RE: That might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while...  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 13910981 2ndroundKO said:
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How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?

But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.


Then you may be an idiot because Eric is 100% correct and you probably are too dumb to get it.
RE: RE: Knowing how easily the league tends to over look character flaws  
JonC : 4/12/2018 11:39 am : link
In comment 13910983 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 13910975 JonC said:


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it suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of.



But what is Eric Reid's character flaw in this instance? I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, unfortunately.


We don't often know the whole story is all I'm saying, there could be more going on and often it is the case. I don't know the background here.
RE: QB Snacks  
QB Snacks : 4/12/2018 11:39 am : link
In comment 13910967 Eric from BBI said:
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Perhaps he beats his dog. Who the hell knows.

But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.

You people falling for a false media narrative.

KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?


Had the Giants knew vernon would kneel they may not have signed him and getting rid of him is impossible so your example doesnt hold weight.
RE: And I say that as tonight in our nation's Capital...  
Bruner4329 : 4/12/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 13910962 MetsAreBack said:
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Ovechkin and 10 other Russian / Eastern European teammates are forced to stand and sing the American National Anthem before game 1 of their playoff matchup with Columbus.

Makes. No. Sense.


Is it too much to ask that they stand for 2 minutes in a country where they are making a ton of money to play a game? Ovechkin has made millions of dollars here. I don't think 2 minutes a game or 160 minutes a year is too much to ask for.
RE: does the fact that Eric Reid has said  
GiantsLaw : 4/12/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 13910966 Giantsfan79 said:
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he wants at least 7 million a year have anything to do with the lack of interest in his services?

and the safety position is a devalued position.
RE: RE: RE: Knowing how easily the league tends to over look character flaws  
Kyle in NY : 4/12/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 13911010 JonC said:
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In comment 13910983 Kyle in NY said:


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In comment 13910975 JonC said:


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it suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of.



But what is Eric Reid's character flaw in this instance? I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, unfortunately.



We don't often know the whole story is all I'm saying, there could be more going on and often it is the case. I don't know the background here.


Fair. But we know that based on his play on the field, he's worthy of at least being on a roster. In my opinion it's not too difficult to connect the dots here.
good grief  
Rocky369 : 4/12/2018 11:43 am : link
full details are not known, nor do they need to be. no one owes an answer for anything someone might think have they the right to know, or think they should provide on their on volition.

this thread will not last through lunch.
RE: RE: Political view?  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 13911003 allstarjim said:
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Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.

It's not a "narrative," it's reality.
I agree OP  
HoodieGelo : 4/12/2018 11:44 am : link
but I thought since this site is so conservative Eric made a rule to stop political posts?

I know that most likely wasn't your intention, and it's a shame that people are trying to act like you're incorrect - but, on this site, any mention of "good ole 'Merica" in either light never bodes well.
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