The Bengals are OK with guys like Mixon and his KO of a girl on video. That gets you drafted in round 2 in 2017.
Reid goes there and the Bengals owner has a problem and won't sign him because of his protests.
The entire NFL is full of shit. And the NFLPA isn't doing shit about it either.
Where is the outrage with the treatment of Reid?
Kapernick? You could blame it on his struggles as a passer, not fitting the scheme, and game plan issues as a backup.
Reid? He's in his prime. He can play on any team and help you win right now. There are no excuses with this player. There is no reason a 26 year old S/LB of his skill doesn't have plenty of action right now.
Why aren't teams signing him? Why aren't the Giants signing him? Who is asking this question to the NYG? I want to hear the answer from them.
Reid could play with Collins. He could move up to LB. Play S. And give us a lot of flexibility. Why aren't the Giants bringing him in? Because he took a knee during the anthem? This guy's livelihood is being ripped from him because of it while the NFL has no problem signing guys like Hardy, Mixon, etc.
"Why aren't you bringing in Eric Reid?"
I want this question answered clearly by the NYG. He can help the team and he can be signed at a bargain because of this BS. But they still don't even bring him in? Why?
Hardy kidnaps a woman gets a 2nd chance. Little kills a woman and gets to play again. This the NFL can work with. But Reid gets screwed for what? And he said he won't do it again.
But he can't even get in the door for a talk with teams that need S help like our NYG?
Its ridiculous. I can't believe our NTG won't see this as a guranteeed opportunity to improve that horseshit product they put on the field last year.
The Giants traded JPP and kept Olivier Vernon.
Your argument that the Giants (and many other teams) are discriminating doesn't hold water.
But this is the victim mentality.
well, except the notorious Bengals owner who everyone already knew was bat-shit.
How was his play the past few years? Is he above average at his position? I havent really followed, other than knowing he was originally a high draft pick.
I do think this "protest" was stupid - you dont do this on company time. But i also think all the forced patriotism at sports events in general - is equally stupid. Makes no sense why sports events are where everyone has to thank the troops and pledge allegiance to the flag. Why not at the beginning of a movie or when you begin your work day?
Or even offered a contract?
Answer that question
The Giants traded JPP and kept Olivier Vernon.
Your argument that the Giants (and many other teams) are discriminating doesn't hold water.
But this is the victim mentality.
Give me a break. Explain why this guy isnt signed?
Makes. No. Sense.
But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.
You people falling for a false media narrative.
KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?
They traded an older player coming off a subpar year and a guy with a disability. And kept the better and younger player. What does this tell us about the NYH? Nothing.
"Victim mentality"? Explain that one.
This is an excellent young player. He hasn't seen a contract offer.
Nobody is playing victim here. Explain why he hasn't seen a contract offer?
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Then why isn't Eric Reid signed?
Or even offered a contract?
Answer that question
Do you really expect fans or people who haven't evaluated Reid as needing to understand why a guy isn't signed? Do you know he hasn't been offered a contract?
Stuff like this may be BS, but claiming that it is simply because the guy isn't signed is jumping the gun a bit.
Sure, a few people might be disillusioned and not watch because of him.
However, publicly protesting the anthem in uniform on game day in front of the country, will cause a large portion of the fan base to tune out, and boycott. Some of these people will never come back. If a lot of Giants players did this without repercussion, I would be one of them.
Further, any repercussion against that player for the offending action will likewise cause a boycott from the other half of the population that agrees with him, therefore the player puts the organization in a no-win situation in which losing money and customers is the only outcome.
The player is affecting the bottom line of a company the player has the smallest stake in.
How about you start a business, grow it to be a significant fixture in your town, and then, one of your employees stands out in front of your building, wearing your company clothes with your logo, and starts protesting and potraying a view that is offensive to half of your customers.
Whether you agreed with the employee or not, I bet you'd fire him, because he just hurt your business significantly, taking money not only out of your pocket, but the pockets of everyone else who relies on you to write them checks.
It's incredibly selfish and wrong to just say you are going to represent an organization on a political issue one way without any input from that organization and they will simply just have to deal with it.
The only recourse for the NFL is to wait it out, and not re-sign the player, because nobody can force a team to choose to hire an individual, and there is plausibly other reasons other than the political position in which any individual team might give as a reason for not seeking an employment contract with the player.
In summary, he made his bed, he's lying in it, and each one of these players, in my opinion, have gotten off way too easy by the NFL and their member teams.
Why isn't this player signed?
Or even offered a contract?
Answer that question
Why was Michael Thomas signed.
Answer that question.
(See how stupid that logic is?)
WTF does that mean?
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
But what is Eric Reid's character flaw in this instance? I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, unfortunately.
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Not sure why this is terribly difficult for you to understand. KWALL is asserting that Eric Reid hasn't been signed by the Giants because he's a victim of discrimination. Again, where there is no evidence that the Giants have discriminating against kneelers. (I would argue the opposite...Mara and the Giants seem to have been supportive). But facts be damned, the Giants discriminate and Reid is a victim!
I’m talking about this player. I know what he can do and I know what the league values in a player but no contract and even the Bengals and their team of convicts have an issue.
Michael Thomas was very vocal in Miami. Just Google it.
WTF does that mean? [/quote]
It means that, in my opinion, the first time they did this, they should've been released. The NFL should've nipped this in the bud right from the get-go. The NFL is in the football/entertainment business, and politics shouldn't have ever been given a platform on the field. At minimum, significant suspensions should've been given if not outright release.
Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.
But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.
You people falling for a false media narrative.
KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?
Reid was one of the very first to join Kaepernick and was very vocal about it. I had no idea Thomas even knelt. That is the difference.
If it bares no weight on whether the Bengals sign him, then why did they ask him about it.
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Then you may be an idiot because Eric is 100% correct and you probably are too dumb to get it.
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it suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of.
But what is Eric Reid's character flaw in this instance? I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, unfortunately.
We don't often know the whole story is all I'm saying, there could be more going on and often it is the case. I don't know the background here.
But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.
You people falling for a false media narrative.
KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?
Had the Giants knew vernon would kneel they may not have signed him and getting rid of him is impossible so your example doesnt hold weight.
Makes. No. Sense.
Is it too much to ask that they stand for 2 minutes in a country where they are making a ton of money to play a game? Ovechkin has made millions of dollars here. I don't think 2 minutes a game or 160 minutes a year is too much to ask for.
and the safety position is a devalued position.
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it suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of.
But what is Eric Reid's character flaw in this instance? I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, unfortunately.
We don't often know the whole story is all I'm saying, there could be more going on and often it is the case. I don't know the background here.
Fair. But we know that based on his play on the field, he's worthy of at least being on a roster. In my opinion it's not too difficult to connect the dots here.
this thread will not last through lunch.
It's not a "narrative," it's reality.
I know that most likely wasn't your intention, and it's a shame that people are trying to act like you're incorrect - but, on this site, any mention of "good ole 'Merica" in either light never bodes well.