RT @LeadingNFL: BREAKING: Seattle Seahawks postponed workout for QB Colin Kaepernick after he decline to stop kneeling next season. (via @AdamSchefter)
You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
IDK, sounds more like another case of Schefter Hyperbole
Ian Rapoport
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22m22 minutes ago
The #Seahawks did postpone a tentatively scheduled workout with Colin Kaepernick, as @AdamSchefter reported. It was not because he said he declined to stop kneeling, tho. The team asked for his plan moving forward on how to handle everything and there was not a firm plan.
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20m20 minutes ago
#Seahawks brass, John Schneider and Pete Carroll, want Colin Kaepernick to consider how he wants to proceed on everything (not just anthem) and get together at a later date when his plans are formed. Clearly, Seattle has accepted players speaking out for what they believe.
What were they expecting when they scheduled it in the first place?
If it was an issue to them, why not discuss it before even inviting him to come in? Seems kind of silly to have expected him to change his tune, and if that's deal breaker, I don't know why they even planned on working him out to begin with.
of the players or ex-players cannot let sink into their fat heads about personal and political agendas are that they distract from the NFL brand. Since they do not run the show, they will be marginalized out. This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year. Thing about that. If you are a business owner would you let that happen ?
You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
I mean he kneeled. Big fucking whoop. But owners dont like that shit. So owners have a choice, employ you or not. I have seen worse for far less in the work field.
Again, if you were an owner and the media is polarized with this guy. You bring drama to a room full of hot heads. Sorry but i dont see it working.
think about it. 2 bad games for Russell wilson and all of a sudden the media will wonder why kap isnt given a chance.
give him a workout after they cut bait with Bennett and Sherman who are both pretty outspoken. All signals pointed to the Seahawks moving away from off the field politics
but if they are asking Kap and Reid about kneeling, they are going to ask potential draftees about it too. I wonder if anyone will slide because of it?
He knows he's bad PR at this time. He wants to kneel, and if unsigned, runs the conspiracy card, race, flash, or any other card to make his point.
The thing is, if he couldn't run, he'd be no better than Geno, at best.
that's lazy. Being better than Weeden means nothing. You lose your starter, your season is probably done (Eagles notwithstanding). You hope your backup never plays. Why sign a guy like Kap? YOu know it's going to enrage a large part of your fan base and impact your bottom line. Why? Because he's 5% better than Weeden? Come on. Who in their right mind would sign up for that?
Than many in the league. He would be one of the best backups out there and a guy who could provide a solid option if a starter went down.
Its funny I think this issue turns everyone off to the NFL for different reasons. I watch less because of the reaction to the kneeling, the kneeling itself I didnt mind at all in fact I applaud it.
I dont think I watched a single non-Giants regular season game last year because of the owners reaction to this issue. I dont want to give the league a buck or any more of my time than I have to. I still like watching the Giants but otherwise the league could fold and I wouldnt mind at all.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
that's lazy. Being better than Weeden means nothing. You lose your starter, your season is probably done (Eagles notwithstanding). You hope your backup never plays. Why sign a guy like Kap? YOu know it's going to enrage a large part of your fan base and impact your bottom line. Why? Because he's 5% better than Weeden? Come on. Who in their right mind would sign up for that?
You're assuming that a large part of a team's fanbase will be lost.... particularly now, years after it started. I wish just one owner would have the balls to say 'Let's find out because he's better than the guy we have.'. Considering the character of the players who teams have employed that HAVNE'T turned the fans away so far... I'd be willing to take my chances personally. But I'm sure that's just me.
What's lazy is just saying that he doesn't have a job because he's not a 'good player'... considering how many players he's definitely better than that are currently in the league.
Than many in the league. He would be one of the best backups out there and a guy who could provide a solid option if a starter went down.
Its funny I think this issue turns everyone off to the NFL for different reasons. I watch less because of the reaction to the kneeling, the kneeling itself I didnt mind at all in fact I applaud it.
I dont think I watched a single non-Giants regular season game last year because of the owners reaction to this issue. I dont want to give the league a buck or any more of my time than I have to. I still like watching the Giants but otherwise the league could fold and I wouldnt mind at all.
You're not the only person who's felt this way Oscar as I have a few friends who feel the exact same way and have done the exact same thing. But of course the folks who feel the way you do don't get counted in when discussing the supposed MASSIVE loss of fans the league supposedly has experienced that's going to cause the league to go under.
Just turns me off to the league. I have to sit and watch these over the top displays of nationalism, all the military appreciation (which is really just military recruiting) crap, yet a guy protests police brutality in a quiet, non-violent way and he is blackballed from the league. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I watch the Giants because its basically an involuntary reaction at this point in my life but otherwise I have no real interest.
IMO, he's in the area of being a weak starter and strong backup.
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
Can we all compromise and just stop having the national anthem
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
I think many military guys take my position. They support the RIGHT to kneel, but do not agree with the action on a personal or moral level. Some, like me, do not believe the given reason for kneeling is a valid one or the arguments made in support of that reason are truthful.
Anecdotal, but I am a military veteran of 12 years.
I also support the rights of people to freely associate...so I would likewise support any owner who no longer wished to employ a person representing their organization because of their political expression in company attire on company time, whether I agreed with the political point or not. Basically, I always agree with the position that supports the most individual liberty. Note that doesn't mean that the expression of which may not have negative consequences unrelated to government interference or infringement of that liberty.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
RE: Can we all compromise and just stop having the national anthem
and/or singing of any kind before a sporting event?
Fine. And then what will be next? So the anthem is then eliminated, you think that's going to solve anything? No. They will find something else. How much do we have to eliminate before anybody is satisfied? Will it ever be enough? So we just take and take and take and take... But will the problem ever correct by doing that? No anthem equals no kneeling, problem solved?
You want to eliminate the National Anthem from all of sports, because a handful of athletes decided to protest something completely unrelated to the National Anthem (okay, I can connect a million dots and say that the National Anthem can be tied to anything because it is all encompassing, but stay with me here), but it then became synonymous with the Anthem. The National Anthem is the innocent victim in this.
You want to tear down/do away with forever an American institution to satisfy a minority of the public. Something that has been a part of sports for decades, pretty much as long as sports have been played. And not for bad reasons. For positive reasons. Are we going to ban all nations from playing their anthem at the Olympics? Or just us?
because of the way he plays. He is the type of player that you have to structure your offense around how he plays. He doesn't really work within a conventional approach to protections etc. And he isn't good enough to be a starter.
The last thing you want for a back up is a guy who plays completely differently from your starter. Rather have an inferior talent, who can play within what you do, then a slightly superior talent that requires changing your approach if he comes in the game.
I just think he is a square peg that doesn't fit for most teams.
RE: IMO, he's in the area of being a weak starter and strong backup.
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
Amen, brother.
You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
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22m22 minutes ago
The #Seahawks did postpone a tentatively scheduled workout with Colin Kaepernick, as @AdamSchefter reported. It was not because he said he declined to stop kneeling, tho. The team asked for his plan moving forward on how to handle everything and there was not a firm plan.
Ian Rapoport
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20m20 minutes ago
#Seahawks brass, John Schneider and Pete Carroll, want Colin Kaepernick to consider how he wants to proceed on everything (not just anthem) and get together at a later date when his plans are formed. Clearly, Seattle has accepted players speaking out for what they believe.
but the owners are being up front. If this story is true, they are laying it out for the guy. Take it or leave it. You dont have to take it.
in the end, the media are making this into a bigger issue. Its what the media does
this. Unfortunately no one will pay attention to him. That is why he is using the NFL as his megaphone and the league will not let that happen.
This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year.
Link to the data that shows kneeling and not the enormous influx streaming cable cutters was the largest cause of any ratings drop?
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You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
Very well said.
Again, if you were an owner and the media is polarized with this guy. You bring drama to a room full of hot heads. Sorry but i dont see it working.
think about it. 2 bad games for Russell wilson and all of a sudden the media will wonder why kap isnt given a chance.
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This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year.
Link to the data that shows kneeling and not the enormous influx streaming cable cutters was the largest cause of any ratings drop?
Don't wasting your time Filthy...
The thing is, if he couldn't run, he'd be no better than Geno, at best.
Too bad he can't get a shot to prove he's better than the Weedon's of the world eh?
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not a very good football player. If he was, he would have a job.
Too bad he can't get a shot to prove he's better than the Weedon's of the world eh?
he is a distraction
Its funny I think this issue turns everyone off to the NFL for different reasons. I watch less because of the reaction to the kneeling, the kneeling itself I didnt mind at all in fact I applaud it.
I dont think I watched a single non-Giants regular season game last year because of the owners reaction to this issue. I dont want to give the league a buck or any more of my time than I have to. I still like watching the Giants but otherwise the league could fold and I wouldnt mind at all.
You're assuming that a large part of a team's fanbase will be lost.... particularly now, years after it started. I wish just one owner would have the balls to say 'Let's find out because he's better than the guy we have.'. Considering the character of the players who teams have employed that HAVNE'T turned the fans away so far... I'd be willing to take my chances personally. But I'm sure that's just me.
What's lazy is just saying that he doesn't have a job because he's not a 'good player'... considering how many players he's definitely better than that are currently in the league.
Its funny I think this issue turns everyone off to the NFL for different reasons. I watch less because of the reaction to the kneeling, the kneeling itself I didnt mind at all in fact I applaud it.
I dont think I watched a single non-Giants regular season game last year because of the owners reaction to this issue. I dont want to give the league a buck or any more of my time than I have to. I still like watching the Giants but otherwise the league could fold and I wouldnt mind at all.
You're not the only person who's felt this way Oscar as I have a few friends who feel the exact same way and have done the exact same thing. But of course the folks who feel the way you do don't get counted in when discussing the supposed MASSIVE loss of fans the league supposedly has experienced that's going to cause the league to go under.
I watch the Giants because its basically an involuntary reaction at this point in my life but otherwise I have no real interest.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
I think many military guys take my position. They support the RIGHT to kneel, but do not agree with the action on a personal or moral level. Some, like me, do not believe the given reason for kneeling is a valid one or the arguments made in support of that reason are truthful.
Anecdotal, but I am a military veteran of 12 years.
I also support the rights of people to freely associate...so I would likewise support any owner who no longer wished to employ a person representing their organization because of their political expression in company attire on company time, whether I agreed with the political point or not. Basically, I always agree with the position that supports the most individual liberty. Note that doesn't mean that the expression of which may not have negative consequences unrelated to government interference or infringement of that liberty.
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
Fine. And then what will be next? So the anthem is then eliminated, you think that's going to solve anything? No. They will find something else. How much do we have to eliminate before anybody is satisfied? Will it ever be enough? So we just take and take and take and take... But will the problem ever correct by doing that? No anthem equals no kneeling, problem solved?
You want to eliminate the National Anthem from all of sports, because a handful of athletes decided to protest something completely unrelated to the National Anthem (okay, I can connect a million dots and say that the National Anthem can be tied to anything because it is all encompassing, but stay with me here), but it then became synonymous with the Anthem. The National Anthem is the innocent victim in this.
You want to tear down/do away with forever an American institution to satisfy a minority of the public. Something that has been a part of sports for decades, pretty much as long as sports have been played. And not for bad reasons. For positive reasons. Are we going to ban all nations from playing their anthem at the Olympics? Or just us?
The last thing you want for a back up is a guy who plays completely differently from your starter. Rather have an inferior talent, who can play within what you do, then a slightly superior talent that requires changing your approach if he comes in the game.
I just think he is a square peg that doesn't fit for most teams.
Completely agree.
But then there's the baggage.
Question is, how to you gauge what the baggage is. That's very subjective.
Seattle thinks it's considerable, or they would have brought him in.
Kappernick, Reid...Jenkins. These guys were the first to start kneeling I believe.
Would be very interesting to see if Jenkins was a few years younger and a free agent.......would there be seekers.
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.