We’ll see, but I’ll be stunned if he’s the pick at 2. Look, his issues go well beyond inaccuracy. He locks onto receivers, has trouble ID’ing blitzes, has poor pocket presence, poor footwork, and an odd inability to throw to his left. That is a lot to make up for, especially when you factor in doing it at a level far faster than he faced at WY.
And stop with the “Eli was inaccurate too” horseshit. Eli was a 60% passer at Ole Miss, playing for an undermanned team in one of 5e best conferences in the country. Josh Allen couldnt sniff Eli’s jock.
Yes, they had a good OL - four players drafted in 2003-04. Claxton and Johnson weren't in the NFL for long, though, although Spencer and Stacy Andrews had solid careers. However, aside from Eli and those four linemen, only three other Rebels were drafted in 2003-06, and two of those were defenders. The third was RB Rick Razzano who was a 7th round pick that never made an NFL roster. By SEC standards, yes, Eli played with inferior talent, especially at the skill positions.
I admit concern about accuracy - he's no Steve Young.
My big concern with him isn't the accuracy - it's the anticipation. He seems slow to pull the trigger, and it showed up again in the Senior Bowl. He does the same thing Aaron Rodgers does where he pulls the ball down and waits for something to develop. He doesn't throw when his back foot hits, which is key in the NFL.
But that's not his game. He reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger. Love the way he just slogs the ball downfield using his entire skillset. He's a competitor and I think he has what it takes to have a long career in the NFL. Great fit for "NY Giants QB".
Allen needs to be in a verticle passing game. The things he does poorly - accuracy, anticipation and timing - are the things that Shurmur asks of his QB. I understand that one of Shurmur's biggest strength as a coach is his ability to adapt with his players but there's 3 other guys on the board that fit his system perfectly.
I'd completely write him off for our pick if it weren't for two factors. One is that Gettleman is an old school guy, he may place a high value on the traditional prototype and measurables. The other is the presence of Eli. The Giants are in a unique position to groom a guy and be patient. If you think Allen's deficiencies can be coached up, and I personally have my doubts, then having Eli on the roster to bring him along slowly may be the extra nudge you need to take the gamble.
I admit concern about accuracy - he's no Steve Young.
My big concern with him isn't the accuracy - it's the anticipation. He seems slow to pull the trigger, and it showed up again in the Senior Bowl. He does the same thing Aaron Rodgers does where he pulls the ball down and waits for something to develop. He doesn't throw when his back foot hits, which is key in the NFL.
But that's not his game. He reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger. Love the way he just slogs the ball downfield using his entire skillset. He's a competitor and I think he has what it takes to have a long career in the NFL. Great fit for "NY Giants QB".
I think the most attractive thing about him is his character/will power. They guy could have called it quite when he didn't get a D1 scholarship, and he worked hard enough to be considered a 1st rd. draft pick. Imagine how many times he must have doubted himself along the way and overcame the process.
I will have to believe Pat Shurmur had heavy, heavy influence on the choice.
Therefore, Pat Shurmur's opinion > BBI's.
We shall see.
Agreed! I think that's the point most are missing. If you want a QB and your preferred QB is available when the Giants draft...and they choose a different QB, their years of experience, film study, interviews, access to medical records, etc. beats the crap out of any BBI poster, who only has access to televised games and YouTube highlights.
It doesn't mean you can't be right and they can't be wrong...but I'm on board with whatever QB the Giants choose (if they go QB at 2).
Yes, they had a good OL - four players drafted in 2003-04. Claxton and Johnson weren't in the NFL for long, though, although Spencer and Stacy Andrews had solid careers. However, aside from Eli and those four linemen, only three other Rebels were drafted in 2003-06, and two of those were defenders. The third was RB Rick Razzano who was a 7th round pick that never made an NFL roster. By SEC standards, yes, Eli played with inferior talent, especially at the skill positions.
I did this fast so feel free to check my math.
Using 2002 to 2005 as the time period, because that's when Eli would have actually likely played with players who got drafted, here is are the rough estimates of SEC schools/# of players drafted:
Usual suspect dominated: UF, Georgia, Rocky Top, LSU had 20+.
Bama/17, South Carolina/13, Auburn/10, Ole Miss/10, Arkansas/10, Miss St/6, Kentucky/5, Vandy/1.
So Ole Miss was sort of clustered in the middle. And if you look at Alabama, who really wasn't Alabama from 2000 to 2004. They were ordinary at best. If you look at the players who were drafted it is a who's who of flops. It's clear they had players drafted based on school reputation. I'm not kidding, at least 15 of the 17 are laughable.
On the other hand, Rocky Top just killed it. They were a great pipeline for the NFL.
But I don't know that I can really evaluate that effectively. If Shurmur was very confident it wasn't an issue and he could develop him, this guy would have some huge upside.
The teams ruling the roost were a bit different - Florida and Tennessee powerful, Bama and Auburn not so much - but the early 2000s SEC was still a brutal conference.
Eli wasn't playing with complete schmoes like Allen, obviously. A solid OL is a friend to any QB, and Eli definitely had that. I'd still say he was at a talent deficit with the better teams in the conference, and the fact that he led Ole Miss to some very competitive seasons anyway speaks well of him.
It just seems like Allen boosters only see his admittedly impressive physical tools, to the extent that they won't acknowledge the fact that he wasn't overly impressive even at a low level of competition, even allowing for weak talent around him. He's the ultimate boom or bust QB prospect. Very high risk, very high potential reward. Me, I'm not enough of a gambler to want him at #2.
Not named Bradley Chubb, I am torn on this prospect. I do NOT like the completion percentage, he's not a natural feel it type of passer. He's more robotic in that he's thinking out there and not seeing the way a guy like Rosen or Darnold does. They look comfortable playing QB, Allen just doesn't at times. There is plenty to like but the QBs job is to throw the football down the field accurately and he simply has not been able to do that. If we take him, cool, I get behind it because I trust Pat Shurmur and Dave G a hell of a lot more than my own eyes but I don't see it with this guy. The ball flies out effortlessly, he's mobile, he's huge, he's competitive, all great things but he's not good at passing the football right now. He's a thrower not a passer and yes he could get better and should get better but historically the deck is ridiculously stacked AGAINST him succeeding given his college numbers.
I will have to believe Pat Shurmur had heavy, heavy influence on the choice.
Therefore, Pat Shurmur's opinion > BBI's.
We shall see.
Yup. Shurmur said they what they want, and they will know it when they see it. Whoever they choose is Shurmurs guy.
I am really looking forward to seeing what Shurmur does with whoever they choose going forward whether its Darnold or Rosen or Allen or Webb or someone else.
Not named Bradley Chubb, I am torn on this prospect. I do NOT like the completion percentage, he's not a natural feel it type of passer. He's more robotic in that he's thinking out there and not seeing the way a guy like Rosen or Darnold does. They look comfortable playing QB, Allen just doesn't at times. There is plenty to like but the QBs job is to throw the football down the field accurately and he simply has not been able to do that. If we take him, cool, I get behind it because I trust Pat Shurmur and Dave G a hell of a lot more than my own eyes but I don't see it with this guy. The ball flies out effortlessly, he's mobile, he's huge, he's competitive, all great things but he's not good at passing the football right now. He's a thrower not a passer and yes he could get better and should get better but historically the deck is ridiculously stacked AGAINST him succeeding given his college numbers.
Yes, Allen is the biggest QB wildcard in the draft. I really like him but wouldn't take him at #2. He's 4th on the bw Big Board
1. LamJax 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen ;)
Allen doesn't know what he is doing. He is QB body and arm Â
The Giants are impressed with every player in this draft...
The Giants are going to trade down with every team in this draft...
The Giants are going to trade up in this draft in every round...
The giants are going to trade all their starters including OBJ so they can make as many picks as possible...
...
Nobody has a clue what the Giants are thinking... Nor should they.
didn't hamper his arm strength thats all well and good but
you don't need a cannon of an arm to secure a Lombardi .
Trying to think who won with the best arm maybe Rogers and
Elway had a hell of a good arm . Brady above average but not a cannon nor did Eli Breese Wilson ect it's more about a very good defense and getting hot at the right time .
The only QB at this point is Darnold even with the fumbling issues , I hope MAyfield pans out but too boom or bust for my liking . Rosen maybe Jeff George part two .that said I will stick with Barkley or a slight trade down got to get a blue chip talent
Not named Bradley Chubb, I am torn on this prospect. I do NOT like the completion percentage, he's not a natural feel it type of passer. He's more robotic in that he's thinking out there and not seeing the way a guy like Rosen or Darnold does. They look comfortable playing QB, Allen just doesn't at times. There is plenty to like but the QBs job is to throw the football down the field accurately and he simply has not been able to do that. If we take him, cool, I get behind it because I trust Pat Shurmur and Dave G a hell of a lot more than my own eyes but I don't see it with this guy. The ball flies out effortlessly, he's mobile, he's huge, he's competitive, all great things but he's not good at passing the football right now. He's a thrower not a passer and yes he could get better and should get better but historically the deck is ridiculously stacked AGAINST him succeeding given his college numbers.
Yes, Allen is the biggest QB wildcard in the draft. I really like him but wouldn't take him at #2. He's 4th on the bw Big Board
1. LamJax 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen ;)
LamJax sounds like a weird Catholic cereal designed for Easter time.
Not named Bradley Chubb, I am torn on this prospect. I do NOT like the completion percentage, he's not a natural feel it type of passer. He's more robotic in that he's thinking out there and not seeing the way a guy like Rosen or Darnold does. They look comfortable playing QB, Allen just doesn't at times. There is plenty to like but the QBs job is to throw the football down the field accurately and he simply has not been able to do that. If we take him, cool, I get behind it because I trust Pat Shurmur and Dave G a hell of a lot more than my own eyes but I don't see it with this guy. The ball flies out effortlessly, he's mobile, he's huge, he's competitive, all great things but he's not good at passing the football right now. He's a thrower not a passer and yes he could get better and should get better but historically the deck is ridiculously stacked AGAINST him succeeding given his college numbers.
Yes, Allen is the biggest QB wildcard in the draft. I really like him but wouldn't take him at #2. He's 4th on the bw Big Board
1. LamJax 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen ;)
b-dubs, you really have LJax as your top QB or was this sarcasm?
I know you liked him - I like him too, but definitely not ahead of those guys.
b-dubs, you really have LJax as your top QB or was this sarcasm?
I know you liked him - I like him too, but definitely not ahead of those guys.
I really think I'm all in. His performances in big games vis-a-vis the rest of his draft peers is just so much better.
Better thrower than Rose? NFW. Better arm than Allen? NFW?
But the best all-around performer with his arm and legs? It's not even close - this guy is a tremendous play-maker. And I really think he's got a great chance to be great. I just don't know how long it's going to take. But I get the sense he's just going to make plays and find a way.
b-dubs, you really have LJax as your top QB or was this sarcasm?
I know you liked him - I like him too, but definitely not ahead of those guys.
I really think I'm all in. His performances in big games vis-a-vis the rest of his draft peers is just so much better.
Better thrower than Rose? NFW. Better arm than Allen? NFW?
But the best all-around performer with his arm and legs? It's not even close - this guy is a tremendous play-maker. And I really think he's got a great chance to be great. I just don't know how long it's going to take. But I get the sense he's just going to make plays and find a way.
Interesting.
I have a hard time with him - I made no secret around here that I really liked this player and would be willing to go non-QB @ 2 and then try to get back up a few spots to take him.
But a few things since have given me some pause.
I don't put too much stock in combine stuff - but he didn't alleviate any of my concerns throwing outside the hashes. He was sailing some throws, not really getting the right drive into them, etc. I think he's going to struggle throwing several routes (especially deep outs or corner posts)
My other worry now is that supposedly his mother his his agent and he was very difficult to even get in touch with. I don't know how smart he is or isn't - but I do know that these aren't things I want to hear about a player before a draft.
That said - I think if you build an offense around this dude that utilizes RPO concepts and allow him to do the things he does best, he can be dynamite.
He was durable in college - but if he's not more careful in the pros that won't last. The wiry frame is a little concerning. If he gets decleated by an NFL linebacker, he's probably going to get hurt.
Arm strength doesn't concern me. He can flick it 40+ yards with relative ease - but he's so much better throwing down the middle of the field. Deep posts, crossing routes, etc. He can handle that stuff. Back shoulders, timing routes, outs, etc. are things I wouldn't be too comfortable asking him to do.
I'm very, very interested to see how his pro career unfolds. If nothing else, he's probably going to be exciting.
But there’s no chance he’s drafted here so I haven’t gotten attached. He’s a better passer and QB brain than people seem willing to credit him. Needs footwork coaching.
I have a hard time with him - I made no secret around here that I really liked this player and would be willing to go non-QB @ 2 and then try to get back up a few spots to take him.
But a few things since have given me some pause.
I don't put too much stock in combine stuff - but he didn't alleviate any of my concerns throwing outside the hashes. He was sailing some throws, not really getting the right drive into them, etc. I think he's going to struggle throwing several routes (especially deep outs or corner posts)
My other worry now is that supposedly his mother his his agent and he was very difficult to even get in touch with. I don't know how smart he is or isn't - but I do know that these aren't things I want to hear about a player before a draft.
That said - I think if you build an offense around this dude that utilizes RPO concepts and allow him to do the things he does best, he can be dynamite.
He was durable in college - but if he's not more careful in the pros that won't last. The wiry frame is a little concerning. If he gets decleated by an NFL linebacker, he's probably going to get hurt.
Arm strength doesn't concern me. He can flick it 40+ yards with relative ease - but he's so much better throwing down the middle of the field. Deep posts, crossing routes, etc. He can handle that stuff. Back shoulders, timing routes, outs, etc. are things I wouldn't be too comfortable asking him to do.
I'm very, very interested to see how his pro career unfolds. If nothing else, he's probably going to be exciting.
At the Combine, he didn't put the pedal to the metal on his throws - true. But I don't think that was a lack of ability; it was more of a fear of failure. He was too measured. At this personal work out, he turned it up and looked much better. I thought he and Darnold had the best workouts of the top guys.
I was initially bothered by the mom move, too. But I'm taking a wait and see more approach for now.
The guy is Gumby on the field. Go watch his games against Clemson and Florida St, two programs with a lot of pro talent. He either outruns a hit, bounces off a hit, or simply get out of bounds or down. He has very good instincts on the move. So I'm thinking those instincts will convey.
Seriously, name another QB in this draft who did more in big games...
And stop with the “Eli was inaccurate too” horseshit. Eli was a 60% passer at Ole Miss, playing for an undermanned team in one of 5e best conferences in the country. Josh Allen couldnt sniff Eli’s jock.
Like Johnny Manziel's strengths???
Giants impressed with Sam Darnold
Giants impressed with Bradley Chubb
Giants impressed with Josh Allen
Giants impressed with Josh Rosen
Giants impressed with Baker Mayfield
Giants impressed with Quenton Nelson
Giants impressed with Minkah Fitzpatrick
Therefore, Pat Shurmur's opinion > BBI's.
We shall see.
My big concern with him isn't the accuracy - it's the anticipation. He seems slow to pull the trigger, and it showed up again in the Senior Bowl. He does the same thing Aaron Rodgers does where he pulls the ball down and waits for something to develop. He doesn't throw when his back foot hits, which is key in the NFL.
But that's not his game. He reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger. Love the way he just slogs the ball downfield using his entire skillset. He's a competitor and I think he has what it takes to have a long career in the NFL. Great fit for "NY Giants QB".
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Mobility and athleticism
Like Johnny Manziel's strengths???
Like Johnny Manziel's strengths???
Not sure how many people said Manziel was athletic.
I'd completely write him off for our pick if it weren't for two factors. One is that Gettleman is an old school guy, he may place a high value on the traditional prototype and measurables. The other is the presence of Eli. The Giants are in a unique position to groom a guy and be patient. If you think Allen's deficiencies can be coached up, and I personally have my doubts, then having Eli on the roster to bring him along slowly may be the extra nudge you need to take the gamble.
My big concern with him isn't the accuracy - it's the anticipation. He seems slow to pull the trigger, and it showed up again in the Senior Bowl. He does the same thing Aaron Rodgers does where he pulls the ball down and waits for something to develop. He doesn't throw when his back foot hits, which is key in the NFL.
But that's not his game. He reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger. Love the way he just slogs the ball downfield using his entire skillset. He's a competitor and I think he has what it takes to have a long career in the NFL. Great fit for "NY Giants QB".
I think the most attractive thing about him is his character/will power. They guy could have called it quite when he didn't get a D1 scholarship, and he worked hard enough to be considered a 1st rd. draft pick. Imagine how many times he must have doubted himself along the way and overcame the process.
Therefore, Pat Shurmur's opinion > BBI's.
We shall see.
Agreed! I think that's the point most are missing. If you want a QB and your preferred QB is available when the Giants draft...and they choose a different QB, their years of experience, film study, interviews, access to medical records, etc. beats the crap out of any BBI poster, who only has access to televised games and YouTube highlights.
It doesn't mean you can't be right and they can't be wrong...but I'm on board with whatever QB the Giants choose (if they go QB at 2).
I did this fast so feel free to check my math.
Using 2002 to 2005 as the time period, because that's when Eli would have actually likely played with players who got drafted, here is are the rough estimates of SEC schools/# of players drafted:
Usual suspect dominated: UF, Georgia, Rocky Top, LSU had 20+.
Bama/17, South Carolina/13, Auburn/10, Ole Miss/10, Arkansas/10, Miss St/6, Kentucky/5, Vandy/1.
So Ole Miss was sort of clustered in the middle. And if you look at Alabama, who really wasn't Alabama from 2000 to 2004. They were ordinary at best. If you look at the players who were drafted it is a who's who of flops. It's clear they had players drafted based on school reputation. I'm not kidding, at least 15 of the 17 are laughable.
On the other hand, Rocky Top just killed it. They were a great pipeline for the NFL.
Eli wasn't playing with complete schmoes like Allen, obviously. A solid OL is a friend to any QB, and Eli definitely had that. I'd still say he was at a talent deficit with the better teams in the conference, and the fact that he led Ole Miss to some very competitive seasons anyway speaks well of him.
It just seems like Allen boosters only see his admittedly impressive physical tools, to the extent that they won't acknowledge the fact that he wasn't overly impressive even at a low level of competition, even allowing for weak talent around him. He's the ultimate boom or bust QB prospect. Very high risk, very high potential reward. Me, I'm not enough of a gambler to want him at #2.
Therefore, Pat Shurmur's opinion > BBI's.
We shall see.
Yup. Shurmur said they what they want, and they will know it when they see it. Whoever they choose is Shurmurs guy.
I am really looking forward to seeing what Shurmur does with whoever they choose going forward whether its Darnold or Rosen or Allen or Webb or someone else.
Yes, Allen is the biggest QB wildcard in the draft. I really like him but wouldn't take him at #2. He's 4th on the bw Big Board
1. LamJax 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen ;)
5 year project...
Giants impressed with Sam Darnold
Giants impressed with Bradley Chubb
Giants impressed with Josh Allen
Giants impressed with Josh Rosen
Giants impressed with Baker Mayfield
Giants impressed with Quenton Nelson
Giants impressed with Minkah Fitzpatrick
Giants not impressed with arcarsenal.
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Giants impressed with Saquon Barkley.
Giants impressed with Sam Darnold
Giants impressed with Bradley Chubb
Giants impressed with Josh Allen
Giants impressed with Josh Rosen
Giants impressed with Baker Mayfield
Giants impressed with Quenton Nelson
Giants impressed with Minkah Fitzpatrick
Giants not impressed with arcarsenal.
Smokescreen.
The Giants are going to trade down with every team in this draft...
The Giants are going to trade up in this draft in every round...
The giants are going to trade all their starters including OBJ so they can make as many picks as possible...
...
Nobody has a clue what the Giants are thinking... Nor should they.
you don't need a cannon of an arm to secure a Lombardi .
Trying to think who won with the best arm maybe Rogers and
Elway had a hell of a good arm . Brady above average but not a cannon nor did Eli Breese Wilson ect it's more about a very good defense and getting hot at the right time .
The only QB at this point is Darnold even with the fumbling issues , I hope MAyfield pans out but too boom or bust for my liking . Rosen maybe Jeff George part two .that said I will stick with Barkley or a slight trade down got to get a blue chip talent
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Not named Bradley Chubb, I am torn on this prospect. I do NOT like the completion percentage, he's not a natural feel it type of passer. He's more robotic in that he's thinking out there and not seeing the way a guy like Rosen or Darnold does. They look comfortable playing QB, Allen just doesn't at times. There is plenty to like but the QBs job is to throw the football down the field accurately and he simply has not been able to do that. If we take him, cool, I get behind it because I trust Pat Shurmur and Dave G a hell of a lot more than my own eyes but I don't see it with this guy. The ball flies out effortlessly, he's mobile, he's huge, he's competitive, all great things but he's not good at passing the football right now. He's a thrower not a passer and yes he could get better and should get better but historically the deck is ridiculously stacked AGAINST him succeeding given his college numbers.
Yes, Allen is the biggest QB wildcard in the draft. I really like him but wouldn't take him at #2. He's 4th on the bw Big Board
1. LamJax 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen ;)
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Not named Bradley Chubb, I am torn on this prospect. I do NOT like the completion percentage, he's not a natural feel it type of passer. He's more robotic in that he's thinking out there and not seeing the way a guy like Rosen or Darnold does. They look comfortable playing QB, Allen just doesn't at times. There is plenty to like but the QBs job is to throw the football down the field accurately and he simply has not been able to do that. If we take him, cool, I get behind it because I trust Pat Shurmur and Dave G a hell of a lot more than my own eyes but I don't see it with this guy. The ball flies out effortlessly, he's mobile, he's huge, he's competitive, all great things but he's not good at passing the football right now. He's a thrower not a passer and yes he could get better and should get better but historically the deck is ridiculously stacked AGAINST him succeeding given his college numbers.
Yes, Allen is the biggest QB wildcard in the draft. I really like him but wouldn't take him at #2. He's 4th on the bw Big Board
1. LamJax 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen ;)
b-dubs, you really have LJax as your top QB or was this sarcasm?
I know you liked him - I like him too, but definitely not ahead of those guys.
b-dubs, you really have LJax as your top QB or was this sarcasm?
I know you liked him - I like him too, but definitely not ahead of those guys.
I really think I'm all in. His performances in big games vis-a-vis the rest of his draft peers is just so much better.
Better thrower than Rose? NFW. Better arm than Allen? NFW?
But the best all-around performer with his arm and legs? It's not even close - this guy is a tremendous play-maker. And I really think he's got a great chance to be great. I just don't know how long it's going to take. But I get the sense he's just going to make plays and find a way.
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b-dubs, you really have LJax as your top QB or was this sarcasm?
I know you liked him - I like him too, but definitely not ahead of those guys.
I really think I'm all in. His performances in big games vis-a-vis the rest of his draft peers is just so much better.
Better thrower than Rose? NFW. Better arm than Allen? NFW?
But the best all-around performer with his arm and legs? It's not even close - this guy is a tremendous play-maker. And I really think he's got a great chance to be great. I just don't know how long it's going to take. But I get the sense he's just going to make plays and find a way.
Interesting.
I have a hard time with him - I made no secret around here that I really liked this player and would be willing to go non-QB @ 2 and then try to get back up a few spots to take him.
But a few things since have given me some pause.
I don't put too much stock in combine stuff - but he didn't alleviate any of my concerns throwing outside the hashes. He was sailing some throws, not really getting the right drive into them, etc. I think he's going to struggle throwing several routes (especially deep outs or corner posts)
My other worry now is that supposedly his mother his his agent and he was very difficult to even get in touch with. I don't know how smart he is or isn't - but I do know that these aren't things I want to hear about a player before a draft.
That said - I think if you build an offense around this dude that utilizes RPO concepts and allow him to do the things he does best, he can be dynamite.
He was durable in college - but if he's not more careful in the pros that won't last. The wiry frame is a little concerning. If he gets decleated by an NFL linebacker, he's probably going to get hurt.
Arm strength doesn't concern me. He can flick it 40+ yards with relative ease - but he's so much better throwing down the middle of the field. Deep posts, crossing routes, etc. He can handle that stuff. Back shoulders, timing routes, outs, etc. are things I wouldn't be too comfortable asking him to do.
I'm very, very interested to see how his pro career unfolds. If nothing else, he's probably going to be exciting.
Interesting.
I have a hard time with him - I made no secret around here that I really liked this player and would be willing to go non-QB @ 2 and then try to get back up a few spots to take him.
But a few things since have given me some pause.
I don't put too much stock in combine stuff - but he didn't alleviate any of my concerns throwing outside the hashes. He was sailing some throws, not really getting the right drive into them, etc. I think he's going to struggle throwing several routes (especially deep outs or corner posts)
My other worry now is that supposedly his mother his his agent and he was very difficult to even get in touch with. I don't know how smart he is or isn't - but I do know that these aren't things I want to hear about a player before a draft.
That said - I think if you build an offense around this dude that utilizes RPO concepts and allow him to do the things he does best, he can be dynamite.
He was durable in college - but if he's not more careful in the pros that won't last. The wiry frame is a little concerning. If he gets decleated by an NFL linebacker, he's probably going to get hurt.
Arm strength doesn't concern me. He can flick it 40+ yards with relative ease - but he's so much better throwing down the middle of the field. Deep posts, crossing routes, etc. He can handle that stuff. Back shoulders, timing routes, outs, etc. are things I wouldn't be too comfortable asking him to do.
I'm very, very interested to see how his pro career unfolds. If nothing else, he's probably going to be exciting.
At the Combine, he didn't put the pedal to the metal on his throws - true. But I don't think that was a lack of ability; it was more of a fear of failure. He was too measured. At this personal work out, he turned it up and looked much better. I thought he and Darnold had the best workouts of the top guys.
I was initially bothered by the mom move, too. But I'm taking a wait and see more approach for now.
The guy is Gumby on the field. Go watch his games against Clemson and Florida St, two programs with a lot of pro talent. He either outruns a hit, bounces off a hit, or simply get out of bounds or down. He has very good instincts on the move. So I'm thinking those instincts will convey.
Seriously, name another QB in this draft who did more in big games...