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I'm having Tomlinson, Snacks, Vea dreams this morning

gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 7:40 am
gotta run to work in a few, I got a new job so I can't post as actively during the morning and afternoon as I used to -- but I couldn't resist sharing that I may be leaning Vita Vea right now in the draft -- he is a Dave Gettleman type of player --- He's a massive man and he reminds me a lot of a young version of Snacks. 6'4" 347 lbs and he has an appetite for gobbling up linemen, RBs and QBs.

This guy can really move around -- he's very active and high motor -- and did I say massive -- what an impressive piece to add to the Giants defensive front he would be

It would make our Dline legendary again -- like old time legendary
Thanks Sy and Joey  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 7:41 am : link
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The Snack Pack  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 7:46 am : link
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My dream was of  
dep026 : 4/13/2018 7:49 am : link
Chrissy Teigen, kate upton, and Alex Morgan.... but yeah letís go with yours instead. Haha
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Beer Man : 4/13/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 13912429 dep026 said:
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Chrissy Teigen, kate upton, and Alex Morgan.... but yeah letís go with yours instead. Haha
LOL
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gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 8:28 am : link
In comment 13912429 dep026 said:
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Chrissy Teigen, kate upton, and Alex Morgan.... but yeah letís go with yours instead. Haha


Lol -- I'm a happily married man to the woman of my dreams and a Giants football junky

that's what turns me on : ) good hard football
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Beer Man : 4/13/2018 8:39 am : link
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Chrissy Teigen, kate upton, and Alex Morgan.... but yeah letís go with yours instead. Haha



Lol -- I'm a happily married man to the woman of my dreams and a Giants football junky

that's what turns me on : ) good hard football
Along the same line, my dream was of my wife in a NY Giants jersey
Only if they trade down into the teens  
GiantsLaw : 4/13/2018 8:45 am : link
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With the haul of picks  
Miamijints : 4/13/2018 8:46 am : link
we could get from Buffalo and still get Vea at 12, that is a beautiful dream. Then with the 22nd pick grab Hernandez. Good stuff!
He's  
AcidTest : 4/13/2018 8:52 am : link
probably a target after a trade down with Buffalo, but I'm not sure he lasts until 12. I think he's going top 10. His tape is awesome.
I had a dream about the trenches as well  
GoDeep13 : 4/13/2018 9:19 am : link
But my dream involved us trading down to 12 for a major haul. Then trading up from twelve to 8 Taking Quenton Nelson . Then using the othe Bills 1st to pick Will Hernandez. In Round 2 we took Nick Chubb.

Woke up fully erect.
Really like Vea  
JonC : 4/13/2018 9:21 am : link
but rather keep our pick in the top 5 and get a blue chip.
I guess Vea and Fitz is too.much to ask for  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2018 9:24 am : link
Vea then Derwin James .
So Collins can play ILB behind....Vea

I'd love Vea.  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 9:45 am : link
Thats an awesome line right there.

He's a target for the Skins at 13 too, so jumping in front of them to snag him and avoid having to deal with him for the next 13 years or so is an added bonus :)
Really  
Jon in NYC : 4/13/2018 9:50 am : link
dont think that would be the best investment in resources given all of the holes.
You guys  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/13/2018 9:51 am : link
are weirdos
Where would he line up?  
Ceez2.0 : 4/13/2018 9:53 am : link
Vea-Snacks-Tomilison? How would our LB's then be aligned?
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Ceez2.0 : 4/13/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13912611 Ceez2.0 said:
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Vea-Snacks-Tomilison? How would our LB's then be aligned?


Assuming of course we're in a 3-4....
Why would he change the LB alignment?  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 9:56 am : link
You plug him in on the DL and go.
RE: Why would he change the LB alignment?  
Ceez2.0 : 4/13/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13912619 Brown Recluse said:
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You plug him in on the DL and go.


I guess I thought one of our LB/DE guys may play more so with his hand in the dirt and drafting this guy may change that.
Vea is one of my favorites this year  
Peppers : 4/13/2018 10:02 am : link
He's a lot like Ngata where he can line up at 5, 4i, 1, 0, and be very effective at each. Definitely an option if a trade back happens. DG will invest in the DL.
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bigbluescot : 4/13/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 13912497 AcidTest said:
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probably a target after a trade down with Buffalo, but I'm not sure he lasts until 12. I think he's going top 10. His tape is awesome.


Not sure. If the run on QB's pans out then there's a decent chance he's there at 12, but certainly no guarantee. Most mocks have Washington taking him at 13. Personally I think he's a blue chip talent and him with Snacks and Tomlinson is an immediate identity for this Defense.
Too slow as a group for 3-4  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/13/2018 10:09 am : link
Prototype for 3-4 DEs is 290-300 lbs, no worse than 5 flat for the 40.

And yes there is a reason this prototype has evolved,
With snacks and Vea  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/13/2018 10:26 am : link
A 2-5 defense would be our goal line D.
In Honor of the Draft Vea Fan Club  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2018 10:31 am : link
Of which I am a member in good standing, here is your rough trade down Vea-Centric mock draft.

Not very specific in the trade details, and since I am really not studying this shit this year, its based on SY and BBI ChitChat mostly, although not entirely. ;-) :

1A. DL - Vea.
Create a dominant and variable front 3 unit that other teams need to account for uniquely.

1B. S - James.
Allows Collins to move to money backer. ILB Collins probably plays a bit deeper than a typical ILB, which allows your 'up safety' (Darian Thompson) a shorter or deeper zone, farther from the l.o.s with James as the enforcer / heavy hitter deep.

So the middle of your field is

Tomlinson/Harrison/Vea
.......Ogletree/Collins
....DT
..............James

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RD 2

2A. RB - Ron Jones.
Team needs legit RBS that can run inside and outside to set up the O.

2B. OL - Braden Smith
(thank you SY!)

RD 3

3A. OL - Will Richardson
(OT or I think great ORG) SY

3B. WR - Anthony Miller
Simply put, only draft wrs that can get separation and according to our SY this one can.


4. RB - Ito Smith
Runs outside and even inside a bit, will probably get nice and open when going to receive due to low center of gravity to cut sharply in and out of route cuts. Cutting with RBs ; not just when running with the ball, Produces as a football player. Outside runs, being to me, a major priority this year.


5. DT - Again !
Lowel Lotulele. Older brother played for DG? You cannot teach big.....loves football and has some movement skills inside, see Harrison, Damon, formerly a UDFA.

6. TE -
Dalton Smith. According to our SY, this kid can -block- already, which is getting rarer and rarer apparently, and would compliment E.E. once he gets integrated.

7. OL -
Timon Parris . With all offensive linesmen you're looking for decent if not better get-off, some good balance and left/right movement skills either pulling or zone type its a team / unit thing.
No thanks to vea  
jayg5 : 4/13/2018 10:54 am : link
Iím one that has no problem with trading back with a team like buffalo if they donít want a qb...but donít want a player that essentially has to come off field on 3rd Downs and isnít known for his pass rush
I believe Tomlinson and even ogletree could come  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2018 11:09 am : link
Off on third downs:

Harrison/Vea

Olb/Collins/olb

DT

James (or whomever, Adams)

And up to 4 corners. (Or leave ogletree in)

Being that you would have two legit DL sized olbs and 3 safety types on the field - any of whom can blitz . that opens up a shit ton of gap attack or pass rush options for betcher to play with on 3rd and long.
Vea  
Dragon : 4/13/2018 11:25 am : link
Is the same as Harrison why invest such a high price for someone who will only be a reserve or first down player useless in 2nd and third downs. Now you can get Settle in the third or fourth round who brings something close to Vea plus one day the replacement for Harrison. Settle is a upside mid round pick with very good upside and very young still growing into his size and physical tools.

For this proposed defense they need a Watt type DE who goes 285 or above with a mean streak from Hell. These types of players are not as easily found as normal game changing 4-3, DEís which you can normally find three to five each draft. Just consider that many felt JPP was not a good fit for this defense IMO a healthy motivated JPP was a perfect fit for this defense.

Now the Oliver belief that he can easily change position to OSLB/RDE is once again a high risk with little history of such a move working out with a DE with more than five years NFL experience. Letís look at this most players last between 3-5 years in the NFL now you want to have a limited size player at the last stage of his career change positions does that make sense. Vernon does or had very good speed at one time but itís still a massive change in position and responsibilities. This is one of the main reasons why I still believe most of the vet personnel on defense we have are not suited for this defense. You have Harrison for NT which most believe will not be a major problem. Everyone else will be changing positions and responsibilities along with the physical and mental knowledge. The 3-4, defense is a very difficult defense to learn and master requiring more than two to three years to gain personnel and defense consistency.

Just consider that this once ascending defense was literally exposed as nothing more than children among men in all areas. They will now be asked to learn everything new in a very limited amount of time and actual real time practice. Expect a very sound and mental beat down most game days while they learn how to play, communicate, learn and perform required responsibilities.
Dragon they have alluded to many times  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2018 3:56 pm : link
That the classic 3/4 DL 'techniques' , which many assume or measure by , may not apply at all in this system.

Read what Sy said about Vea.
Sounds like a wet dream  
PatersonPlank : 4/13/2018 4:10 pm : link
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RE: The Snack Pack  
sober297 : 4/13/2018 5:15 pm : link
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The Big Blue Snacking Crew
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gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 5:25 pm : link
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Chrissy Teigen, kate upton, and Alex Morgan.... but yeah letís go with yours instead. Haha



Lol -- I'm a happily married man to the woman of my dreams and a Giants football junky

that's what turns me on : ) good hard football

Along the same line, my dream was of my wife in a NY Giants jersey


Beer Man -- my wife wears a Giants Jersey -- any way I want
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gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 5:26 pm : link
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Let's keep pushing this  
idiotsavant : 4/14/2018 1:41 pm : link
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Let's keep pushing this  
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Beer Man's dream...  
Sarcastic Sam : 4/14/2018 2:27 pm : link
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