maybe just maybe the A's would already be willing to deal Lucroy so they can basically turn a minor amount of money paid to him into a prospect? I'd be on the phone offering them something like Robles and a non-top 20 prospect.
We have very little leverage at this point - everyone knows we're going to be desperate to add a catcher and will want Gimenez+
If d'Arnaud is out for an extended period, they can always move him to 60 day DL to open up a 40 man spot for Lobotan. Otherwise I would be looking at low hanging fruit like Murphy. Colorado is always desperate for relievers. Can see if they would be interested in Callahan as he is close to the majors.
We have very little leverage at this point - everyone knows we're going to be desperate to add a catcher and will want Gimenez+
Yeah I mean I think realistically we're going to be restricted to the backup catcher market and dealing for someone like Rene Rivera at this point.
Yeah - sucks. Might be better off just trying to make this work for a bit and hope that once the A's and Marlins start bombing that they'll be more willing to make a deal.
Catcher seems to be as weak around the league as I can remember in a long time. There's very little quality.
We have very little leverage at this point - everyone knows we're going to be desperate to add a catcher and will want Gimenez+
If d'Arnaud is out for an extended period, they can always move him to 60 day DL to open up a 40 man spot for Lobotan. Otherwise I would be looking at low hanging fruit like Murphy. Colorado is always desperate for relievers. Can see if they would be interested in Callahan as he is close to the majors.
Definitely not a bad idea. I'd at least check in if I were Sandy.
I agree Mike - I think the move is trading a RP for the best C avail
I've got to think most teams would take the gamble on an upside arm ready to contribute in the majors right now over their backup catcher. Sewald, Robles, Callahan and Rhame would seem like good candidates for trade depending on how good the player coming back is. I'd try really hard to do Robles+ for Lucroy.
You know some adversity was going to hit at some point. Just sucks that it is so early and the trade market hasn't even begun to materialize yet.
Think they are going to ride the Nido/Lobaton combo until they show that they are a detriment. Holding out hope that Nido can at least be serviceable.
Might have to look into adding Cheech, Hanigan, Montero or Rupp if one of Nido/Lobaton show that they are completely inept offensively. At the very least, we will see improved defensive play/arms behind the plate for the time being.
You know some adversity was going to hit at some point. Just sucks that it is so early and the trade market hasn't even begun to materialize yet.
Think they are going to ride the Nido/Lobaton combo until they show that they are a detriment. Holding out hope that Nido can at least be serviceable.
Might have to look into adding Cheech, Hanigan, Montero or Rupp if one of Nido/Lobaton show that they are completely inept offensively. At the very least, we will see improved defensive play/arms behind the plate for the time being.
*too well
looking at Oak I actually think Robles (+) for Lucroy makes sense
Their BP is a mess. They currently only have 2 guys under 30 in their BP, both are 29 years old. Treinen has 2 saves this year, he had to go 2 innings for both of them. Also blew 1 save already.
Lucroy has been hitting 7th and 8th in their lineup and they have a 27 year old behind him who seems halfway decent and had a respectable year last year with 250 ABs.
Oakland would save more than $5M in the exchange. And realistically Beane probably just signed Lucroy to trade him at the deadline anyway.
The plus side is we've been getting very little production out of the catcher spot at the dish thus far and have still been winning anyway.
Plaw was batting .150 and was off to a very slow start - d'Arnaud wasn't fairing much better.
So - we don't exactly need Nido or Lobaton to tear the cover off the ball to maintain what we're doing right now as long as they hold up defensively.
We have a few hitters due for a hot streak anyway. (Looking at you, Cespy)
I'm excited to see Nido for a few weeks since he's supposedly going to be an upgrade defensively at the least. Offensively who knows but he he doesn't strike out a lot so maybe he just goes up there not trying to do too much and puts the ball in play a little bit?
Nimmo or Giminez for Realmuto but not both. It would be contingent on waiting a few weeks and making sure Realmuto is healthy. Realmuto is under team control for a while and would be a great addition without feeling like we're giving up the future.
are some FA's they can look at before they commit to a trade. I would go that route first, Miguel Montero recently got DFA'd; so someone who was on a ML roster recently is someone i would target.
is a lot different than 2-3 months. It's not like TDA/Plawecki were producing a ton for us during this 10-1 start anyway. We can get away with Nido/Loboton for a few weeks and keep an eye on FAs available.
then there's really nothing to do other than sit tight at this point.
It's not like TDA or Plaw were staples in the lineup. The expectations were to basically be average. The offense probably suffers a little bit, but the defense may actually improve.
but he'll probably cost too much. Nimmo is our future at cf, once the team realizes that Jay Bruce's days are numbered. An outfield of Cespedes, Nimmo and Conforto is what we want going forward.
The smart play is definitely to roll with Lobaton/Nido for a while. They are both defensive minded so thats good. In June/July asses and look at potential acquisitions. I think its way too early now. The situation definitely sucks.
Be it Lucroy or some of the other options discussed here. We can't wait have too long, we have to go get this done.
This will only lead to us overpaying big time. No reason to do this.
If Plawecki is only going to be out a few weeks, we'll survive.
Like I said before, we've been getting literally nothing offensively from either catcher and are 10-1. Not like either is a defensive whiz, either... especially not d'Arnaud.
We'll be fine. Roll with what we have for now or sign a vet and then when the deadline gets closer make a move for Realmuto or Lucroy if Plawecki isn't hitting much.
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Here's some recent feedback I got on some Mets' AAA guys:
Oswalt: back-end starter
Guillorme: Defensive gem
Brentz: Power, low avg.
Smith: best hitter
Cecchini: can be a major leaguer
What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?
Given the track record of the Mets training staff...I would say that Plaw will be able to start his rehab sometime in December. Should be ready by next spring.
the Mets must have a Kodak disposable camera for x-rays
What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?
Given the track record of the Mets training staff...I would say that Plaw will be able to start his rehab sometime in December. Should be ready by next spring.
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Mets minor league catching depth after Jose Lobaton is (presumably) called up:
AAA-Colton Plaia (career .249 hitter), Jeff Glenn (literally all he does is catch bullpens)
AA-Patrick Mazeika (cant catch), Tyler Moore (career .211 hitter)
I'm not even the biggest Zack Wheeler believer but @Joelsherman1's Swihart suggestion is absurd. wRC+ of 47 last year in AAA. Hasn't shown any promise with the bat since 2015 #Mets
the Mets are 2nd worst in MLB with 1.03 SB's allowed per game and an absolutely ridiculously bad (though I admit it's early/small sample) 7.7% caught stealing percent.
and that's probably only so low (SB's per game) because the Mets pitching has been good, especially the bullpen, and hasn't allowed a lot of base runners.
the Mets are 2nd worst in MLB with 1.03 SB's allowed per game and an absolutely ridiculously bad (though I admit it's early/small sample) 7.7% caught stealing percent.
and that's probably only so low (SB's per game) because the Mets pitching has been good, especially the bullpen, and hasn't allowed a lot of base runners.
Just wait it out IMO.
Besides that neither Plawecki nor TDA's bats had a lot to do with the fast start. So hopefully whomever ends up behind the plate they won't see much off a drop from the position.
just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
By fWAR he's been the 2nd best C in baseball the past 2 seasons (by a good margin), 2nd in wRC+. He's signed through 2020. Price should be enormous and apparently is.
just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
Well he was worth over 7 wins the past two years and is under team control for a while, so you're getting his prime years at reasonable cost.
It looks like they've asked for an elite prospect over the summer for him (they supposedly asked Washington for Victor Roebles, who is a top 10 prospect in MLB). The Mets don't have a prospect that highly regarded. You'd probably have to make up in quantity with something like Giminez, Kay and maybe one of the reliever prospects.
Is it worth it? I'm not sure. If you can lock down a top 5 catcher for 4 years at low cost, our chances of winning a world series would go up, that's for sure. One thing to realize though is that most of his value comes from his defense. You're hoping to get an elite defensive catcher who is also a slightly above average hitter.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:08 PM
Loads of roster moves for the Mets. In addition to Jose Lobaton, Brandon Nimmo is back up from Las Vegas. The Mets optioned reliever Jacob Rhame to make room.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:02 PM
Travis d'Arnaud has indeed decided to undergo Tommy John surgery, the Mets announced. He'll miss the rest of the 2018 season.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:12 PM
Mets Game 12 of 162, vs. MIL:
Conforto CF
Cabrera 2B
Cspedes LF
Bruce RF
Gonzlez 1B
Frazier 3B
Rosario SS
Lobaton C
Matz LHP
just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
Well he was worth over 7 wins the past two years and is under team control for a while, so you're getting his prime years at reasonable cost.
It looks like they've asked for an elite prospect over the summer for him (they supposedly asked Washington for Victor Roebles, who is a top 10 prospect in MLB). The Mets don't have a prospect that highly regarded. You'd probably have to make up in quantity with something like Giminez, Kay and maybe one of the reliever prospects.
Is it worth it? I'm not sure. If you can lock down a top 5 catcher for 4 years at low cost, our chances of winning a world series would go up, that's for sure. One thing to realize though is that most of his value comes from his defense. You're hoping to get an elite defensive catcher who is also a slightly above average hitter.
I'd trade that Mets package for Robles without thinking twice.
Sullivan projected Realmuto to make 27-30 million over 2018-2020
"In terms of surplus value, were talking tens of millions of dollars, which is what would allow the Marlins to turn him into an impressive prospect package. Its pretty obvious that, say, the Nationals, Rockies, and Diamondbacks would be interested in adding Realmuto, and I imagine hed also pique the interest of the As and the Brewers. Other teams could also jump in, if they knew Realmuto was out there. He wouldnt be just a short-term value. Hed also be extremely affordable."
Mid-season and Gimenez is a top 50 prospect and Kay has 10+ starts impressing scouts maybe but right now Gimenez wasn't even on a few top 100 lists at all (and 80+ on others) and Kay has thrown 4 innings and is 23 in low-A. Most teams in baseball will be in on Realmuto so the Marlins will get a huge return. This isn't a $ saving maneuver.
Mike Puma (@NYPost_Mets)
4/13/18, 3:49 PM
Alderson noted there are some teams that "aren't trying that hard," so trading would be a possibility this early in the season.
Betsy Helfand (@betsyhelfand)
4/13/18, 4:23 PM
More roster moves for the 51s:
Brandon Nimmo from AAA to New York
Jose Lobaton from AAA to New York
Jacob Rhame from New York to AAA
Corey Taylor from AA to AAA
Matt Oberste activated from DL
A.J. Griffin to temporarily inactive list
Because theyre the Mets?
Unreal
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What the fuck? How do they say the x rays are negative and then say it's broken?
Because theyre the Mets?
I was hoping bullshit like this was in the past - I guess not.
Unreal.
Better start making some calls. Tomas Nido and Jose Lobaton suck. We can't have a black hole in the lineup every single day.
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Yeah I mean I think realistically we're going to be restricted to the backup catcher market and dealing for someone like Rene Rivera at this point.
If d'Arnaud is out for an extended period, they can always move him to 60 day DL to open up a 40 man spot for Lobotan. Otherwise I would be looking at low hanging fruit like Murphy. Colorado is always desperate for relievers. Can see if they would be interested in Callahan as he is close to the majors.
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We have very little leverage at this point - everyone knows we're going to be desperate to add a catcher and will want Gimenez+
Yeah I mean I think realistically we're going to be restricted to the backup catcher market and dealing for someone like Rene Rivera at this point.
Yeah - sucks. Might be better off just trying to make this work for a bit and hope that once the A's and Marlins start bombing that they'll be more willing to make a deal.
Catcher seems to be as weak around the league as I can remember in a long time. There's very little quality.
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We have very little leverage at this point - everyone knows we're going to be desperate to add a catcher and will want Gimenez+
If d'Arnaud is out for an extended period, they can always move him to 60 day DL to open up a 40 man spot for Lobotan. Otherwise I would be looking at low hanging fruit like Murphy. Colorado is always desperate for relievers. Can see if they would be interested in Callahan as he is close to the majors.
Definitely not a bad idea. I'd at least check in if I were Sandy.
Could Nimmo be moved for Realmuto?
Think they are going to ride the Nido/Lobaton combo until they show that they are a detriment. Holding out hope that Nido can at least be serviceable.
Might have to look into adding Cheech, Hanigan, Montero or Rupp if one of Nido/Lobaton show that they are completely inept offensively. At the very least, we will see improved defensive play/arms behind the plate for the time being.
Think they are going to ride the Nido/Lobaton combo until they show that they are a detriment. Holding out hope that Nido can at least be serviceable.
Might have to look into adding Cheech, Hanigan, Montero or Rupp if one of Nido/Lobaton show that they are completely inept offensively. At the very least, we will see improved defensive play/arms behind the plate for the time being.
*too well
Lucroy has been hitting 7th and 8th in their lineup and they have a 27 year old behind him who seems halfway decent and had a respectable year last year with 250 ABs.
Oakland would save more than $5M in the exchange. And realistically Beane probably just signed Lucroy to trade him at the deadline anyway.
Plaw was batting .150 and was off to a very slow start - d'Arnaud wasn't fairing much better.
So - we don't exactly need Nido or Lobaton to tear the cover off the ball to maintain what we're doing right now as long as they hold up defensively.
We have a few hitters due for a hot streak anyway. (Looking at you, Cespy)
Plaw was batting .150 and was off to a very slow start - d'Arnaud wasn't fairing much better.
So - we don't exactly need Nido or Lobaton to tear the cover off the ball to maintain what we're doing right now as long as they hold up defensively.
We have a few hitters due for a hot streak anyway. (Looking at you, Cespy)
I'm excited to see Nido for a few weeks since he's supposedly going to be an upgrade defensively at the least. Offensively who knows but he he doesn't strike out a lot so maybe he just goes up there not trying to do too much and puts the ball in play a little bit?
That's a really good idea.
Has anyone heard from Sheck? I gotta make sure he's okay - probably devastated.
Lobaton/Nido? Yuck!
Has anyone heard from Sheck? I gotta make sure he's okay - probably devastated.
Probably still in the hospital waiting room.
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Yeah, I would add Ruiz for now - it's insurance. He's a pro at least.
Has anyone heard from Sheck? I gotta make sure he's okay - probably devastated.
Probably still in the hospital waiting room.
LOL. Poor guy.
Would be typical.
As I just reported on @SNYtv, I can confirm @NYPost_Mets report of a fracture for Plawecki. Thats the bad news.
The good news? I have been told the fracture is minor and the expectation is that Plawecki could be back in as little as 2-3 weeks.
trading Nimmo for a position that has no talent across the board outside of maybe 3 is ridiculous.
No chance I trade any of their MLB available pithing right now for a catcher.
A mid level prospect maybe.
Give Nido and anyone else the claim the chance.
As I just reported on @SNYtv, I can confirm @NYPost_Mets report of a fracture for Plawecki. Thats the bad news.
The good news? I have been told the fracture is minor and the expectation is that Plawecki could be back in as little as 2-3 weeks.
Well this is good.
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As I just reported on @SNYtv, I can confirm @NYPost_Mets report of a fracture for Plawecki. Thats the bad news.
The good news? I have been told the fracture is minor and the expectation is that Plawecki could be back in as little as 2-3 weeks.
Well this is good.
Makes sense that it would be minor since they missed it on xray. A lot of small bones in hand.
We even traded for Kendall Coleman from NYY
at least its not an elbow or shoulder or hamstring. bones have a set time. not a lingering issue.
but really. why is it always the mets, when hit by a baseball, have fractures this year?
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That's a really good idea.
I don't think I'd be able to handle hearing them call him "Chooch" every game...
It's not like TDA or Plaw were staples in the lineup. The expectations were to basically be average. The offense probably suffers a little bit, but the defense may actually improve.
fear not fellow pessimists (almost all met fans) there could be short term hope.
Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?
Haha, I think he meant that to be "water under the bridge"
In other words - we're fine.
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?
Haha, I think he meant that to be "water under the bridge"
In other words - we're fine.
I interpreted it as the calm before the tidal wave hits...
fear not fellow pessimists (almost all met fans) there could be short term hope.
yea this is a very comprehensive list. Give Nido and Lobaton 10 days or so and I'm sure they will also add a veteran.
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?
Haha, I think he meant that to be "water under the bridge"
In other words - we're fine.
I interpreted it as the calm before the tidal wave hits...
I think he was saying he might jump.
and if some team approaches you with a fair offer for an everyday catcher, pull the trigger (not Gimenez).
This will only lead to us overpaying big time. No reason to do this.
If Plawecki is only going to be out a few weeks, we'll survive.
Like I said before, we've been getting literally nothing offensively from either catcher and are 10-1. Not like either is a defensive whiz, either... especially not d'Arnaud.
We'll be fine. Roll with what we have for now or sign a vet and then when the deadline gets closer make a move for Realmuto or Lucroy if Plawecki isn't hitting much.
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Here's some recent feedback I got on some Mets' AAA guys:
Oswalt: back-end starter
Guillorme: Defensive gem
Brentz: Power, low avg.
Smith: best hitter
Cecchini: can be a major leaguer
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Mets are not expecting Plawecki to be sidelined that long. Several weeks is early estimation.
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look up two posts, Mets think just several weeks, so if they're right mid-May is more realistic for a conservative estimate.
Given the track record of the Mets training staff...I would say that Plaw will be able to start his rehab sometime in December. Should be ready by next spring.
previously with the Mets a couple years ago, not sure if it's major or minor leagues.
I assume minors.
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What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?
Given the track record of the Mets training staff...I would say that Plaw will be able to start his rehab sometime in December. Should be ready by next spring.
Book the amputation
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Mets minor league catching depth after Jose Lobaton is (presumably) called up:
AAA-Colton Plaia (career .249 hitter), Jeff Glenn (literally all he does is catch bullpens)
AA-Patrick Mazeika (cant catch), Tyler Moore (career .211 hitter)
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The Mets have not spoken with the Marlins about J.T. Realmuto this week, source says.
They touched base in the offseason, but there is no sign talks went anywhere.
Agreed, that's exactly what I thought Sandy might do:
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:51 pm : link : reply
just to have a veteran catcher on board
and that's probably only so low (SB's per game) because the Mets pitching has been good, especially the bullpen, and hasn't allowed a lot of base runners.
Just wait it out IMO.
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
and that's probably only so low (SB's per game) because the Mets pitching has been good, especially the bullpen, and hasn't allowed a lot of base runners.
Just wait it out IMO.
Besides that neither Plawecki nor TDA's bats had a lot to do with the fast start. So hopefully whomever ends up behind the plate they won't see much off a drop from the position.
Rhame optioned to LV
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
By fWAR he's been the 2nd best C in baseball the past 2 seasons (by a good margin), 2nd in wRC+. He's signed through 2020. Price should be enormous and apparently is.
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
Well he was worth over 7 wins the past two years and is under team control for a while, so you're getting his prime years at reasonable cost.
It looks like they've asked for an elite prospect over the summer for him (they supposedly asked Washington for Victor Roebles, who is a top 10 prospect in MLB). The Mets don't have a prospect that highly regarded. You'd probably have to make up in quantity with something like Giminez, Kay and maybe one of the reliever prospects.
Is it worth it? I'm not sure. If you can lock down a top 5 catcher for 4 years at low cost, our chances of winning a world series would go up, that's for sure. One thing to realize though is that most of his value comes from his defense. You're hoping to get an elite defensive catcher who is also a slightly above average hitter.
4/13/18, 3:08 PM
Loads of roster moves for the Mets. In addition to Jose Lobaton, Brandon Nimmo is back up from Las Vegas. The Mets optioned reliever Jacob Rhame to make room.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:02 PM
Travis d'Arnaud has indeed decided to undergo Tommy John surgery, the Mets announced. He'll miss the rest of the 2018 season.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:12 PM
Mets Game 12 of 162, vs. MIL:
Conforto CF
Cabrera 2B
Cspedes LF
Bruce RF
Gonzlez 1B
Frazier 3B
Rosario SS
Lobaton C
Matz LHP
Posey .303/.380/.447
Realmuto
.290/.337/.440
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
What type of package are they looking for? Its not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
Well he was worth over 7 wins the past two years and is under team control for a while, so you're getting his prime years at reasonable cost.
It looks like they've asked for an elite prospect over the summer for him (they supposedly asked Washington for Victor Roebles, who is a top 10 prospect in MLB). The Mets don't have a prospect that highly regarded. You'd probably have to make up in quantity with something like Giminez, Kay and maybe one of the reliever prospects.
Is it worth it? I'm not sure. If you can lock down a top 5 catcher for 4 years at low cost, our chances of winning a world series would go up, that's for sure. One thing to realize though is that most of his value comes from his defense. You're hoping to get an elite defensive catcher who is also a slightly above average hitter.
I'd trade that Mets package for Robles without thinking twice.
"In terms of surplus value, were talking tens of millions of dollars, which is what would allow the Marlins to turn him into an impressive prospect package. Its pretty obvious that, say, the Nationals, Rockies, and Diamondbacks would be interested in adding Realmuto, and I imagine hed also pique the interest of the As and the Brewers. Other teams could also jump in, if they knew Realmuto was out there. He wouldnt be just a short-term value. Hed also be extremely affordable."
Mid-season and Gimenez is a top 50 prospect and Kay has 10+ starts impressing scouts maybe but right now Gimenez wasn't even on a few top 100 lists at all (and 80+ on others) and Kay has thrown 4 innings and is 23 in low-A. Most teams in baseball will be in on Realmuto so the Marlins will get a huge return. This isn't a $ saving maneuver.
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2 weeks doesn't change the perception he's a solid prospect who could become a good regular.
4/13/18, 3:49 PM
Alderson noted there are some teams that "aren't trying that hard," so trading would be a possibility this early in the season.
4/13/18, 4:23 PM
More roster moves for the 51s:
Brandon Nimmo from AAA to New York
Jose Lobaton from AAA to New York
Jacob Rhame from New York to AAA
Corey Taylor from AA to AAA
Matt Oberste activated from DL
A.J. Griffin to temporarily inactive list