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Cowboys expected to release WR Dez Bryant

Anakim : 4/13/2018 12:10 pm
Adam Schefter
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Cowboys expected to release WR Dev Bryant today, barring an unexpected last-minute change of heart, per @toddarcher and me. But the plan going into meeting that is now underway was to part ways with Bryant.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:11 pm : link
He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
It seemed like  
JayBinQueens : 4/13/2018 12:12 pm : link
he and Dak were never on the same page
Pretty bright of Jerry  
FranknWeezer : 4/13/2018 12:12 pm : link
that he did this before free agency so he could clear the deck, and you know, actually participate in free agency.

Err...

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Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.


He's not nearly the player he was, but he's still a good #2 option. Not saying we should sign him.

But I'm not saying we shouldn't either lol

He's not someone Gettleman would want, honestly. But he's a better #2 than Marshall probably is.
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Motley Two : 4/13/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.


Is that true?

Schefter is Such a Tool  
Capt. Don : 4/13/2018 12:15 pm : link
"Per Todd Archer and me."

Is he really using himself as a source?

He is insufferable.
Was never the same after the injury  
BillT : 4/13/2018 12:15 pm : link
They'll look a bit different with Bryce Butler or Cole Beasley as a starter. And we'll se if Terrance Williams is really a #1 WR.
He'll probably sign with the Redskins.  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:15 pm : link
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Hello New England  
Rjanyg : 4/13/2018 12:16 pm : link
Bill will get him.
RE: Schefter is Such a Tool  
figgy2989 : 4/13/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13912935 Capt. Don said:
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"Per Todd Archer and me."

Is he really using himself as a source?

He is insufferable.


Was about to post the same thing. Its like no one can break any NFL news unless he puts his stamp of approval on it.
We've seen a lot of that problem with wide receivers on the Giants.  
Ira : 4/13/2018 12:17 pm : link
Often, they're never the same after a serious injury. Steve Smith, Nicks and Cruz all were great for us before getting hurt. Manningham signed with the 49ers and got hurt and wasn't the same. That's why I'm hesitant about giving OBJ the deal he wants.
RE: We've seen a lot of that problem with wide receivers on the Giants.  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13912943 Ira said:
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Often, they're never the same after a serious injury. Steve Smith, Nicks and Cruz all were great for us before getting hurt. Manningham signed with the 49ers and got hurt and wasn't the same. That's why I'm hesitant about giving OBJ the deal he wants.


It goes back further than that. Ike Hilliard too. And even Amani Toomer - if I remember correctly - had an injury that robbed him of his speed, though it obviously wasn't career-ending.

Mike Sherrard?
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13912933 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:


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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.



He's not nearly the player he was, but he's still a good #2 option. Not saying we should sign him.

But I'm not saying we shouldn't either lol

He's not someone Gettleman would want, honestly. But he's a better #2 than Marshall probably is.


I mean he'll definitely land somewhere. He can still play - but he's no longer a #1. There's a huge, huge difference between the player he was in 2014 and who he is now. He's very clearly lost a step.
RE: Schefter is Such a Tool  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13912935 Capt. Don said:
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"Per Todd Archer and me."

Is he really using himself as a source?

He is insufferable.


Yeah I thought this too - he's such a fucking douche.
Thats true.  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:21 pm : link
He was one of the best wideouts in the league at one point.
I don't know what the market will be for him  
Essex : 4/13/2018 12:22 pm : link
but he would be a heckuva two receiver if a team can get him for what BM came to us last year. If not, he is probably not worth it. What I would say is that he just never seemed to gel with Dak, like he did Romo.
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pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 12:23 pm : link
RE: Was never the same after the injury  
giants#1 : 4/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13912937 BillT said:
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They'll look a bit different with Bryce Butler or Cole Beasley as a starter. And we'll se if Terrance Williams is really a #1 WR.


He's barely a #2 WR and that was with Bryant, Witten, and Elliott drawing attention. With Bryant gone and Witten aging, Williams will be further exposed.
very much like the Keyshawn Johnson fall from grace  
Matt in SGS : 4/13/2018 12:27 pm : link
Dez lost a step or two, and never adjusted his game. And I agree, that he never seemed to come back full strength after Prince broke his foot.
no tony romo  
Chip : 4/13/2018 12:28 pm : link
and the oline was not that good last year might have a lot to do with it
How Much Dez,  
clatterbuck : 4/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
How much Dak?
Dez was also pretty :dull"  
djm : 4/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
as a route runner. He got by on physical gifts more than anything else...now his gifts aren't what they used to be. He's shot.

I have a lot more confidence in a guy like Beckham coming back than I would Dez. BEckham is arguably the best route running WR in the game...he doesn't just get by on hops and speed.

Let Dez go round out his routes elsewhere. Dallas was smart to cut him. They don't make as many bad moves anymore which sucks.

Should sign him cheap  
nygiants16 : 4/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
Then trade Beckham for a lot of picks...save the giants money on the cap
Official  
montanagiant : 4/13/2018 12:32 pm : link
He just got released
Was never really a Giant killer  
QB Snacks : 4/13/2018 12:33 pm : link
good player but the Cowboys did the right thing. Question is why wait so long?
RE: Hello New England  
Dr. D : 4/13/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13912941 Rjanyg said:
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Bill will get him.

Disagree. Dez is the kind of washed up player Belichick would've gotten rid of 2 years ago, imo.
They  
AcidTest : 4/13/2018 12:37 pm : link
apparently wanted him to take a big pay cut to stay. He's better off going elsewhere, although I don't want him for the Giants. I agree this should have been done before FA to give him the best chance to sign elsewhere.
RE: Official  
cjac : 4/13/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13912985 montanagiant said:
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He just got released


Did the Raiders sign him yet?
Never liked Dez's game...  
bw in dc : 4/13/2018 12:40 pm : link
Forget the decline in his speed, his hands are just plain bad anymore. I don't know whether that's lack of concentration or he has the yips for fear of taking a big shot. Whatever the case, you can't have a WR who struggles to catch the ball.

That said, I could see Dez getting a long look from San Fran...
they are drafting the best  
Giantsfan79 : 4/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
WR they can get in the 1st round. I believe they covet Courtland Sutton [or however you spell his name]
I can see west coast  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 12:42 pm : link
Seattle could work. Maybe San Fran but Im not sure they need him.
Giants should sign him to mentor  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 12:43 pm : link
Odell.



LOL, I can't even type that with a straight face, it would be funny though.
Did he ever live up to the hype?  
Pete in MD : 4/13/2018 12:43 pm : link
He came out of college with some issues (maturity, route running, reading defenses) that were never really corrected. Add in the injuries and this is what you get.
RE: How Much Dez,  
RetroJint : 4/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13912982 clatterbuck said:
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How much Dak?

The Cowboys had nobody who could get deep last season . Williams and Bryant both lost their speed. Prescott got a bad rap for checking down. He was looking downfield ; simply wasnt anyone getting open.
Baltimore?  
smshmth8690 : 4/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
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HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.

Get on the phone Dave.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13913014 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:


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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.

Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.

Get on the phone Dave.


Nonsense?

Look what types of seasons he was having before that injury and look at what he's doing now.

Just in case you need a reminder..

88/1320/16

Nonsense my fucking ass
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
NYG shouldn't touch this dude with a 1000 foot pole.
RE: no tony romo  
HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13912974 Chip said:
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and the oline was not that good last year might have a lot to do with it
Ya' think? Cowboys leading receiver last year. No coincidence his receptions and yards fell off after Romo's last full season.
He just teeeted  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/13/2018 12:50 pm : link
Cowboy nation I need you to know this wasnt my decision.. I will always love yall... forever Dallas in my heart

Watch him sign a reasonable deal to stay in the division. NOT with us
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:53 pm : link
This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.

Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.

He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.
RE: Did he ever live up to the hype?  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13913008 Pete in MD said:
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He came out of college with some issues (maturity, route running, reading defenses) that were never really corrected. Add in the injuries and this is what you get.


Of course he did. He was a top wideout for a while. Was he the "baby TO" that he was labelled coming out? No. But you can't sneeze at 4800 yards and 50 TD's in 4 years. The injuries are unfortunate, but prior to that - he was very productive.

WAS.
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Anakim : 4/13/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13913017 arcarsenal said:
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NYG shouldn't touch this dude with a 1000 foot pole.


Mickey Spagnola
‏@Spags52

Dez walked out saying I'll see guys twice this year, I'm told. So that's that.



So I guess that narrows it down to three teams...
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HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13913016 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:


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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.

Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.

Get on the phone Dave.



Nonsense?

Look what types of seasons he was having before that injury and look at what he's doing now.

Just in case you need a reminder..

88/1320/16

Nonsense my fucking ass
Led the Cowboys in receptions, yards, receiving td's, 20+ yard receptions, first downs receiving and YAC last season.

He hasn't had a qb since Romo's last season- You know when that was? 2015. Manning would give his left nut to have Bryant as a target on the other side of Beckham.

Total fucking nonsense that he is washed up, and it's not close.
The last thing DM & PS...  
bw in dc : 4/13/2018 12:55 pm : link
need for this "new culture" is adding a psycho personality like Dez. We have enough issues with the ODJ and his non-sense.

Those two together would be a dumpster fire...
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Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13913014 HomerJones45 said:
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.

Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.

Get on the phone Dave.


I agree that on the field he's better than Marshall, but Gettleman is not going to bring him here. They are very clearly trying to create a more cohesive environment and Bryant isn't exactly known as a great teammate.

Would I sign a player *like* Dez now? Sure. Would I sign Dez? No.
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Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13913033 Anakim said:
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NYG shouldn't touch this dude with a 1000 foot pole.



Mickey Spagnola
‏@Spags52

Dez walked out saying I'll see guys twice this year, I'm told. So that's that.



So I guess that narrows it down to three teams...


Like I said. Redskins.
Homer,  
Keith : 4/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
I'm not sure what you are seeing. He was not the same guy. He lost all ability to separate. If you watch the cowboys and think Dez is the same guy, then you may need glasses. He doesn't move anything like he used to. He's got great size and a great ability to go up and get a ball, but he's not the same guy.

Also, regarding the Pats. ONe guy said he's a perfect candidate for Bill, another said he's exactly the kind of guy they stay away from. Actually, he's the kind of guy Bill goes after only if he can get him for next to nothing. I don't think that's dez though, someone will pay him. Bill loves washed up players that other teams give up on because he gets them for pennies on the dollar.
Jordan is stirring the pot lol  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
Jordan Raanan

Verified account

@JordanRaanan
1m1 minute ago
More Jordan Raanan Retweeted Charles Robinson
The Giants need Dez, Odell, Shepard, Engram and Saquon and then their offense can be functional.
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HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13913027 arcarsenal said:
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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.

Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.

He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.
Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?

2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13913047 HomerJones45 said:
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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.

Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.

He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.

Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?

2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.


Watch him play - if you can't see the difference, that's on you.

He's not the same guy at all.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:01 pm : link
And he's not coming here. If you think Dave Gettleman is bringing this guy into our locker room, you've been asleep since he was hired.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.

Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.

They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
Gotta agree  
Anakim : 4/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
Dez has Daniel Snyder written all over him. I'd be printing the jerseys now
RE: RE: How Much Dez,  
giants#1 : 4/13/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13913010 RetroJint said:
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How much Dak?


The Cowboys had nobody who could get deep last season . Williams and Bryant both lost their speed. Prescott got a bad rap for checking down. He was looking downfield ; simply wasnt anyone getting open.


Peak wise, yes. But he really only had 3 (maybe 4) peak years. From 2012-14 he was a top 5 WR with this average season:

91 rec, 1312 yds, 14 TDs
Lets kick the tires  
NNJ Tom : 4/13/2018 1:09 pm : link
I kid, I kid...............
Just thought about  
Rflairr : 4/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
Dez with Green Bay. Can you imagine him with Rogers
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:12 pm : link
He just said "I'll see you twice this year"

I bet he is going to Washington.
RE: Homer,  
HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13913043 Keith said:
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I'm not sure what you are seeing. He was not the same guy. He lost all ability to separate. If you watch the cowboys and think Dez is the same guy, then you may need glasses. He doesn't move anything like he used to. He's got great size and a great ability to go up and get a ball, but he's not the same guy.

Also, regarding the Pats. ONe guy said he's a perfect candidate for Bill, another said he's exactly the kind of guy they stay away from. Actually, he's the kind of guy Bill goes after only if he can get him for next to nothing. I don't think that's dez though, someone will pay him. Bill loves washed up players that other teams give up on because he gets them for pennies on the dollar.
At age 29, I think it's a fair bet that this "failure to separate" is as much a function of the lack of quality of the passer as it is any physical disability.

He hurt his foot. This isn't a compartment syndrome, torn leg muscles, knee fracture or some other leg complaint. The foot is sound- he played all 16 games last season- so if the legs are good, there is no reason he can't be a good, sound number 2 on a team with a competent passer, which we have.
Think he was the best for  
TMS : 4/13/2018 1:15 pm : link
while. Great competitor and played hard every play.tough business.
I think Dez to PHI  
Sy'56 : 4/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
or CAR.
RE: The last thing DM & PS...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13913039 bw in dc said:
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need for this "new culture" is adding a psycho personality like Dez. We have enough issues with the ODJ and his non-sense.

Those two together would be a dumpster fire...




Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?

Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.

Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.

Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?

Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
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Stan in LA : 4/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
RE: I think Dez to PHI  
Anakim : 4/13/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13913078 Sy'56 said:
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or CAR.


Do the Eagles even have cap space for Dez?
Not the same without Romo  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2018 1:22 pm : link
Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.
He was an incredibly low efficiency player last year  
MetsAreBack : 4/13/2018 1:27 pm : link
i dont know if his foot has healed enough this offseason to give him a little more burst, and his drop issues are probably at least somewhat correctable.

But he still wants to be paid like a #1 and any team willing to do that is horribly run AND he still thinks he can perform like a #1 and deserves the ball and attention from his QB like a #1 and those are bigger concerns.

If he was a team player and accepted a secondary role, he would have value as a big red zone and otherwise underneath target.. but he's not, so I'm not interested.

He'd be a good fit with Carolina i think, but ... best bet is he ends up a Redskin.
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Sy'56 : 4/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13913087 Anakim said:
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or CAR.



Do the Eagles even have cap space for Dez?


You can make almost anything work on a 1 year deal
RE: Not the same without Romo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13913088 ZogZerg said:
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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.


Dak Prescott was pretty horrid last year. There's a pretty telling YouTube video detailing how many interceptions Dez saved.
Jerry Jones released a statement on his release  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
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HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13913058 arcarsenal said:
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DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.

Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.

They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
Why do I need to do all the looking up to dispel your ignorance?

Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's

Now I am not claiming Bryant is Hopkins so you can burn that strawman, but insisting the quality of the passer has nothing do with the wideout is plain silly.
Lonk  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
[url]https://youtu.be/VzIlUmUWnCU[/irl]
Ugh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
https://youtu.be/VzIlUmUWnCU
If we could get Dez,  
Bill in UT : 4/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
Odell and Mayfield on the field at the same time, the Meadowlands would rock
Listening to Screamin A pontificate about Dez is pretty entertaining..  
figgy2989 : 4/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
Its like he hasnt watched him play the last two years.
Dez has Jets written all over him....  
kinard : 4/13/2018 1:39 pm : link
... They need wide-outs and have an influx of cash to burn.
bring him in for a look  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/13/2018 1:39 pm : link
why not? Marshall is also done
RE: RE: Not the same without Romo  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13913104 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.



Dak Prescott was pretty horrid last year. There's a pretty telling YouTube video detailing how many interceptions Dez saved.


I agree. It's takes 2. Dak didn't do Dez any favors, but there were a number of drops in that video. I'm sure he was frustrated after having Romo for years.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/13/2018 1:47 pm : link

Mike Garafolo
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3m3 minutes ago

In addition to @Spags52 report about Dez saying hed see the Cowboys twice this year, weve got this stamp of approval about staying in the NFC East.

RE: Dez has Jets written all over him....  
Rflairr : 4/13/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13913140 kinard said:
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... They need wide-outs and have an influx of cash to burn.


They need him and could pay him big money
This has been expected ...  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 1:49 pm : link
The Cowboys have just under $2M in cap space. Cutting Dez will give them another $8M, which will be more than needed to sign this year's draft pick. Afterwards they should have a couple million emergency fund.
On Dak Prescott  
GiantTexan : 4/13/2018 1:51 pm : link
I agree with others that Romo has a lot to do with the slump. Dez is still a freak of an athlete.
David Carr dominates Dak Prescott in a passing competiton - ( New Window )
redskins have cap space  
Chip : 4/13/2018 1:54 pm : link
we would have to free up some cap space and one diva is enough.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said:
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DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.

Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.

They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.

Why do I need to do all the looking up to dispel your ignorance?

Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's

Now I am not claiming Bryant is Hopkins so you can burn that strawman, but insisting the quality of the passer has nothing do with the wideout is plain silly.


Who were Hopkins' QB's in 2015 when he caught 111 passes?

Here you go:

Brian Hoyer
Ryan Mallett
TJ Yates
Brandon Weeden

You blamed Dez' lack of separation above on Prescott. Ridiculous logic.

Why is Dallas cutting ties if he hasn't declined?
If Dez...  
Chris in Philly : 4/13/2018 1:59 pm : link
doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...
RE: If Dez...  
Anakim : 4/13/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13913189 Chris in Philly said:
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doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...


Haha, I'm with ya. I'd start making the jerseys now.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
I absolutely expect him to go to Washington.

Pryor was a complete bust. They're probably looking to fill that role with someone better.
RE: RE: If Dez...  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13913192 Anakim said:
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doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...



Haha, I'm with ya. I'd start making the jerseys now.


Great idea.

Joey?
Bryant and Richardson is really not a bad combination.  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 2:03 pm : link
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RE: On Dak Prescott  
Boatie Warrant : 4/13/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13913173 GiantTexan said:
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I agree with others that Romo has a lot to do with the slump. Dez is still a freak of an athlete. David Carr dominates Dak Prescott in a passing competiton - ( New Window )


Now that's funny :)
Hopkins..  
GiantTexan : 4/13/2018 2:05 pm : link
The entire Texans offense ran through Hopkins. That is the entire gameplan.
You would think the 49ers would be interested  
Giants in 07 : 4/13/2018 2:08 pm : link
given their supposed interest in Beckham

I still think he's a good player.. I want him out of the division.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
Forget Hopkins -

Davante Adams was better than Bryant last year with Hundley starting half their games.

I don't know how anyone can argue that Bryant is the same player he used to be. All you have to do is watch one Dallas game and you'll see the same explosion he used to have isn't there anymore.

He'll still help whoever's offense he joins (if he can keep his head on straight) but it sure as hell won't be here. If he winds up here, I officially have no idea what Gettleman is doing.

Bottom line - he's no longer a top flight WR.
RE: You would think the 49ers would be interested  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13913208 Giants in 07 said:
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given their supposed interest in Beckham

I still think he's a good player.. I want him out of the division.


Meh. Janoris Jenkins has done a great job on him. Not worried about it.
RE: RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 4/13/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said:
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Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's



Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.

Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.

So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game

The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.

I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.
Would love to see Dez Bryant...  
the mike : 4/13/2018 2:20 pm : link
in the AFC asap...
RE: The last thing DM & PS...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/13/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13913039 bw in dc said:
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need for this "new culture" is adding a psycho personality like Dez. We have enough issues with the ODJ and his non-sense.

Those two together would be a dumpster fire...



I'm surprised you set your bible down long enough to read this thread.

Why is there this ever-present underbelly of Giants fans with a stick lodged in their ass?

Dez is far from a choir boy, but hardly a "psycho", christ.

RE: .  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
Plus, can the team really stand another Diva at the WR spot.
Worst thing that happened to Dez' career was Tony Romo's injuries and  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/13/2018 2:33 pm : link
retirement. Even as Dez declined, the 2 of them were perfect together. Dak and Dez was average at best.
RE: RE: .  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 4/13/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13913047 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13913027 arcarsenal said:


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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.

Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.

He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.

Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?

2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.


Romo and Prescott don't have anything to do with Bryant's inability to separate from Defenders just because he used to be able to doesn't mean he always will be able to
i would drop marshall for him...  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 2:50 pm : link
couldnt hurt at number 2
RE: i would drop marshall for him...  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13913273 GMAN4LIFE said:
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couldnt hurt at number 2
Speculation is that Marshall is gone as soon as he gets a clean bill of health following last year's injury.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 3:13 pm : link
I don't know why you guys are wasting time speculating that he'd be an option here.

Look at the moves Dave Gettleman has made since he got here.

He won't touch this player.
RE: i would drop marshall for him...  
N9NE11 : 4/13/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13913273 GMAN4LIFE said:
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couldnt hurt at number 2
In a Heartbeat
I dont want Dez here...  
EricJ : 4/13/2018 3:21 pm : link
we dont need anymore divas especially one that talks the talk a bigger game than he plays.
Goodbye Brandon Marshall  
NikkiMac : 4/13/2018 3:21 pm : link
Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch.......
RE: Not the same without Romo  
GoDeep13 : 4/13/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13913088 ZogZerg said:
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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.

See. Heres my thing. I dont think Dez fell off. I just dont think he and Dak worked well together. Dak is a between the numbers short and quick completions guy whil Dez is a big boundary WR. Dak doesnt take chances with the football the way Romo did which plays into Dezs strength which has always been making tough jumpball plays on the outsides.
Example #57  
giantsFC : 4/13/2018 3:41 pm : link
that selfish diva WR's who make questionable off-field decisions don't translate to superbowls.
RE: If we could get Dez,  
gtt350 : 4/13/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13913122 Bill in UT said:
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Odell and Mayfield on the field at the same time, the Meadowlands would rock


ha, one way or the other. Now put the pipe down
and go make Osso Buca
RE: Example #57  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13913323 giantsFC said:
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that selfish diva WR's who make questionable off-field decisions don't translate to superbowls.


By that logic neither does the offensive line and run game that everyone here swears by.
Beckham and Bryant together  
TMS : 4/13/2018 3:55 pm : link
would be the best receivers in the league by far. But are they healthy and mature enough to want to win a championship instead of the BS? Add Barkley and it becomes a no brainer. Provided ELI has not gotten old .
If he doesnt stay in the division my guess is the Pats  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/13/2018 3:57 pm : link
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RE: RE: i would drop marshall for him...  
mattlawson : 4/13/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13913294 N9NE11 said:
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In comment 13913273 GMAN4LIFE said:


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couldnt hurt at number 2

In a Heartbeat



YUPPERS
i mean i seriously felt it move  
mattlawson : 4/13/2018 3:58 pm : link
OBJ, Bryant, Sheppard, Engram.
It's fascinating...  
bw in dc : 4/13/2018 4:00 pm : link
how Dez is the non-Giant Eli.

The amount of excuses that are piling up to explain his descent is just brilliant.
RE: Beckham and Bryant together  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13913346 TMS said:
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would be the best receivers in the league by far. But are they healthy and mature enough to want to win a championship instead of the BS? Add Barkley and it becomes a no brainer. Provided ELI has not gotten old .


Everyone said the same thing about Odell and Marshall.

Odell got hurt and Marshall didn't do a damn thing but drop passes before he landed on IR as well.

(And I absolutely LOVED the Brandon Marshall signing)

WR is a need - but if people are going to spend every waking moment crying about Beckham's "antics," adding Bryant to the mix would be a fucking nightmare.
Drop Marshall in a NY minute  
Carl in CT : 4/13/2018 4:13 pm : link
For Dez or not.
Debate over which Old Dead Dog you want?  
Rafflee : 4/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
Prime Dez versus Prime Marshall...I'd take Marshall as the pairing with Odell

Choosing now?... I think Both are cooked---the G's have Brandon here and may know more to indicate that his tank is not empty.

Pass....But NOT to Dez!!!!!!
RE: Goodbye Brandon Marshall  
MetsAreBack : 4/13/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13913298 NikkiMac said:
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Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch.......


And your view is Dez will play for 2 years, $12 million?

That's naive. Proceed.
Someone is going to take a flier on him  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 6:06 pm : link
and give him a lot more than I'd ever be comfortable giving a guy with his wear and tear. And that's not even considering how bad of a fit culturally he would likely be.

Marshall matured as a player and person and turned his life around. Can't say the same about Dez.
If the cowturds get rid of Jason Witten and Cole Beasley the Giants  
SterlingArcher : 4/13/2018 6:46 pm : link
could have a chance of beating them!
RE: RE: Goodbye Brandon Marshall  
NikkiMac : 4/13/2018 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13913462 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13913298 NikkiMac said:


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Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch.......



And your view is Dez will play for 2 years, $12 million?

That's naive. Proceed.


Giants could probably do it if they wanted to, of course they would have to backload the contract hey I know its a long shot but never say never pal.......proceed......oh Im a yankee fan
The Romo connection  
fanatic II : 4/13/2018 11:50 pm : link
Romo was injured in 2010, from 2011 to 2014 Bryant had 50 TDs for second in the NFL behind M. Lynch's 56. He was 5th in receiving yards.

From 2015 to 2017 without Romo, Bryant fell to #43 in the NFL with 17 TDs scored and 45th in receiving yards.

Direct correlation to the "supposed" drop off of Bryant was him losing Romo.

Bryant still has enough left in the tank that a good passing QB can make him a top 10 WR again. If he finds the right spot it will happen.
RE: Dez has Jets written all over him....  
JayBinQueens : 4/14/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 13913140 kinard said:
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... They need wide-outs and have an influx of cash to burn.
they also have 15 wrs on the roster (surprisingly I still don't think that stops them lol)
At this point in the offseason  
eli4life : 4/14/2018 12:19 am : link
He will probably get a one year prove it deal around 7-8 mill unless of course several teams get into a bidding war
No Separation...No Hands...  
Rafflee : 4/14/2018 8:29 am : link
No Thanks!

This guy will scream for the Ball.... he's the last to know that his ability is no longer at the level of his "personna".
RE: At this point in the offseason  
MetsAreBack : 4/14/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13913753 eli4life said:
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He will probably get a one year prove it deal around 7-8 mill unless of course several teams get into a bidding war


LOL, so he'll get a one year deal... unless he doesn't. Really went out on a limb there.

I just don't know what to say to the "analysis" above about Dez with and without Romo. Anyone who watched the games or even stared at his numbers, knows the decline is about a hell of a lot more than just losing Romo and replacing him with Dak. How come other Dallas WRs didn't drop off with Dak? Dez got older and he's had significant leg injuries. Just glad you folks aren't GM of my favorite team.
Actually thinking Bellichick might grab him...  
the mike : 4/14/2018 9:55 am : link
Pats need a receiver and the Moss experience is the precedent... Bryant may have a renaissance with Brady and the Patriots...
Dez Bryant  
GoBlue6599 : 4/14/2018 1:17 pm : link
Ond thing that is clear when watching him is he doesn't get alot of separation and he seems to drop alot of passes
He could have a resurgence elsewhere that is not out of the question, I dont think he's played up to standards at all
The other reason Jerry will drop him,  
Doomster : 4/14/2018 1:21 pm : link
is because the baby sitter is asking for a raise....
RE: Actually thinking Bellichick might grab him...  
MetsAreBack : 4/14/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13913895 the mike said:
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Pats need a receiver and the Moss experience is the precedent... Bryant may have a renaissance with Brady and the Patriots...


I don't see the comparison other than both were 29 and played WR.

Moss still had talent, but was in a bad place work ethic wise in Oakland.

Dez on the other hand, just hasn't shown any talent in two years now. His work ethic has been there, but he turned 132 targets this past year into 860 yards!

Finally, Pats already have Gronk, Mitchell, Edelman, J Matthews and Hogan. They don't have a need at WR.
Giants are reportedly on his short list  
JonC : 4/15/2018 9:49 am : link
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RE: Giants are reportedly on his short list  
eli4life : 4/15/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 13914650 JonC said:
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How quickly do you think visits or whatever happens? Id think it would be sooner than later with the draft coming up
That's all we need  
Go Terps : 4/15/2018 11:59 am : link
Another clown in the wide receiver room.
RE: That's all we need  
eli4life : 4/15/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13914747 Go Terps said:
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Another clown in the wide receiver room.


Hearing my cowboy fan relatives whine and cry would be worth it for me plus I get the feeling this year at least he might be a wee bit more motivated. He most likely will be on a one year fairly cheap prove it type deal. Id take him over Marshall any day of the week
No word yet if NYG is interested in him  
JonC : 4/16/2018 12:52 pm : link
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RE: No word yet if NYG is interested in him  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13915975 JonC said:
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If they are, I officially don't understand what Gettleman's plan is.

Doesn't seem to make much sense to me to sign a guy like Jonathan Stewart mostly for his locker room presence, to deal away JPP, cut ties with DRC, etc.. only to turn around and sign Dez Bryant.

I'd be very, very surprised if that ever materialized.

WSH/PHI/CAR all seem like more likely destinations.
I agree arc, we need to avoid drama  
JonC : 4/16/2018 1:06 pm : link
and I wonder how much he's got left in the tank, to boot, same problem(s) with Marshall already.
Yeah, I dont see Dez here at all.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2018 1:06 pm : link
Rather have an apparent washed up Marshall(though Im fine with them parting ways with him even though I loved the 2 year signing at the time) than Dez if the choice was between the two.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Keith : 4/16/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13913219 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said:


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Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's





Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.

Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.

So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game

The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.

I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.



*crickets*

homer, where you at there bud?
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13916211 Keith said:
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In comment 13913219 MetsAreBack said:


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In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said:


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Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's





Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.

Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.

So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game

The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.

I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.




*crickets*

homer, where you at there bud?


He left when he realized he was his own "ignorance" and crappy math he was dispelling rather than my own.
He's right in that QBs do matter,,  
MetsAreBack : 4/16/2018 4:31 pm : link
of course they do, we all knew that already. I was just put-off by the needlessly condescending way he went about his argument.

Bottom line is I dont care if Jamarcus Russell is throwing the ball - Dez turned 132 fucking targets last year... into like 880 yards. That's ... mind boggling... inefficiency. Its not all on the QB and it sure as fuck isnt only because Romo retired. The other Dallas WRs were lot more efficient with their targets.
Yep.  
Keith : 4/16/2018 4:32 pm : link
There are a lot of reasons WR's have success and the QB def plays a role, but you couldn't spell it out any better MAB.
RE: He's right in that QBs do matter,,  
giants#1 : 4/16/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13916333 MetsAreBack said:
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of course they do, we all knew that already. I was just put-off by the needlessly condescending way he went about his argument.

Bottom line is I dont care if Jamarcus Russell is throwing the ball - Dez turned 132 fucking targets last year... into like 880 yards. That's ... mind boggling... inefficiency. Its not all on the QB and it sure as fuck isnt only because Romo retired. The other Dallas WRs were lot more efficient with their targets.


I agree that Dez has lost a step (or three), but that last part isn't true:

Yards/Reception
Code:

_ _ _ __ 2016 _ 2017 __ %Diff
Witten: __ 9.8 __ 8.9 __ -9.18
Beasley:_ 11.1 __ 8.7 _ -21.62
Dez:_ _ _ 15.9 _ 12.1 _ -23.90
Williams: 13.5 _ 10.7 _ -20.74
Elliott:_ 11.3 _ 10.3 __ -8.85


Yards/Target
Code:

_ _ _ __ 2016 _ 2017 __ %Diff
Witten: __ 7.1 __ 6.4 __ -9.86
Beasley: _ 8.5 __ 5.0 _ -41.18 (5.0 is not an error)
Dez:_ _ __ 8.3 __ 6.4 _ -22.89
Williams:_ 9.7 __ 7.3 _ -24.74
Elliott:__ 9.3 __ 7.1 _ -23.66


Sorry for all the underscores, but BBI makes it very difficult to post readable tables.

Dez was far from the only Cowboy to see his numbers take a significant dip this year. Each of their top 5 receiving targets saw a significant drop in both yards/reception and yards/target. Dez and Witten actually caught nearly the same % of targets in both 2016 and 2017. For Witten, it was right around his career average (72.4%) but Dez has seen a significant drop since his injury (and Romo's injury/retirement).

To put Beasley's 5.0 yards/target in perspective, Darkwa averages about 4.8 y/tgt for his career. Anyone want to throw him the ball more?
should emphasize  
giants#1 : 4/16/2018 5:05 pm : link
Dez led the Cowboys in yards/reception and was tied for 3rd in yards/target.
Thanks giants#1  
MetsAreBack : 4/16/2018 6:14 pm : link
for pulling together the stats. But my comment above was clearly talking about Yards per Target. We all know Dez dropped a lot of balls last year and we keep talking about the 133 targets... with a catch rate barely over 50%, yards per reception isnt a particularly relevant metric.

So... He was less efficient than Terrance Williams and Zeke. He was also more inefficient than Brice Butler, who i'm assuming you didnt list above because of sample size, but who was 13.2 yards per target with 317 yards on 24 targets.
Rod Smith was 8.8 yards per target too  
MetsAreBack : 4/16/2018 6:23 pm : link
so not sure where you are getting your little soundbite about "3rd on the team in yards per target"

He was tied for 5th on the team among 7 guys over 20 targets... with 35-yr old plodder Jason Witten... above only Cole Beasley. Is this something you'd like to tout?

I'd like to know where 6.3 yards per target stacks up around the league.

Anyway, he's an emotional guy and if he really wants to cost himself millions to play on a one year prove it deal for us or another NFCE team... i guess i'd entertain that... but as emotions subside, my guess is he'll make a more rational decision and go someplace - Carolina, Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore, maybe Vegas - that is a little more desperate and will be willing to give him more guaranteed $.
It seems like people are so interested in throwing hate at Dez  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 7:12 pm : link
that they're reserving criticism for Dak. Dak is the one getting pushed like a superstar when he's done nothing. Why the hell is that guy getting TV commercials. He's an arrogant douche.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo43rQRBtYI
MAB  
giants#1 : 4/17/2018 10:18 am : link
I was just looking at their top 5 WRs (in targets and receptions). Smith/Butler barely averaged 1 target per game.

And the larger point was that all of their receivers (including TE/RB here) saw a major dip in the efficiency numbers last season. The lone exception was Brice Butler who had less than 1 catch/game.

So there is *some* merit to Homer's point that Dak sucked.
yards/target (min 20 receptions)  
giants#1 : 4/17/2018 10:33 am : link
Notables:

- 203 WR/RB/TE qualified (>20 receptions)
- JuJu Smith-Schuster led the league at 11.61 y/t
- Julio - 13th with 9.76 y/t
- Antonio Brown 17th at 9.4 y/t
- Shepard was the top Giants WR in 37th with 8.70 y/t
- New Dallas #1 WR Allen Hurns was 38th with 8.64 y/t
- Dez was 138th in the NFL at 6.35 y/t - well below average
- 'Average' was Randall Cobb (102nd overall) at 7.10 y/t - still .75 yards/tgt better than Dez
- Only other Giants that finished above average are Beckham (87th with 7.37 y/t) and Ellison (90th with 7.34 y/t)
- Engram was a pretty poor 140th with only 6.28 y/t - drops played a big role here as he only caught 55.7% of balls compared to Ellison bringing in 75%

Link - ( New Window )
There is no merit to homers point,  
Keith : 4/17/2018 10:34 am : link
because his point was that Dez is the same guy with a bad QB. The reality is that there were a lot of factors into Dez's production with the QB being one of them. I think most will agree that Dak isn't Romo and Dak is not a great QB for production at the WR position. The whole story though....Dez is not the same guy since the injury.
Dak is def the most overrated player in the NFL, IMO  
Keith : 4/17/2018 10:41 am : link
and we saw that last year when the OL wasn't dominant and they didn't run the ball at 6 yards a clip.
RE: There is no merit to homers point,  
giants#1 : 4/17/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13917232 Keith said:
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because his point was that Dez is the same guy with a bad QB. The reality is that there were a lot of factors into Dez's production with the QB being one of them. I think most will agree that Dak isn't Romo and Dak is not a great QB for production at the WR position. The whole story though....Dez is not the same guy since the injury.


Well, if he thinks Dez is still prime Dez, then he's an idiot. He's definitely lost some explosion since the injury. But his numbers have also suffered because Romo >>> Dak. It's somewhat amazing how little flak Dak's taken for their disappointing 2017.
Agreed  
Keith : 4/17/2018 10:46 am : link
on all accounts. I think most of us are on the same page.
RE: Dak is def the most overrated player in the NFL, IMO  
arcarsenal : 4/17/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13917242 Keith said:
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and we saw that last year when the OL wasn't dominant and they didn't run the ball at 6 yards a clip.


Yup. He got way too much credit for being a game manager in 2016. He's not good.
RE: RE: Dak is def the most overrated player in the NFL, IMO  
giants#1 : 4/17/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13917294 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13917242 Keith said:


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and we saw that last year when the OL wasn't dominant and they didn't run the ball at 6 yards a clip.



Yup. He got way too much credit for being a game manager in 2016. He's not good.


Hopefully they give him a big deal for $20M+ per year before realizing it...
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