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Cowboys expected to release WR Dev Bryant today, barring an unexpected last-minute change of heart, per @toddarcher and me. But the plan going into meeting that is now underway was to part ways with Bryant.
Err...
He's not nearly the player he was, but he's still a good #2 option. Not saying we should sign him.
But I'm not saying we shouldn't either lol
He's not someone Gettleman would want, honestly. But he's a better #2 than Marshall probably is.
Is that true?
Is he really using himself as a source?
He is insufferable.
Is he really using himself as a source?
He is insufferable.
Was about to post the same thing. Its like no one can break any NFL news unless he puts his stamp of approval on it.
It goes back further than that. Ike Hilliard too. And even Amani Toomer - if I remember correctly - had an injury that robbed him of his speed, though it obviously wasn't career-ending.
Mike Sherrard?
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
He's not nearly the player he was, but he's still a good #2 option. Not saying we should sign him.
But I'm not saying we shouldn't either lol
He's not someone Gettleman would want, honestly. But he's a better #2 than Marshall probably is.
I mean he'll definitely land somewhere. He can still play - but he's no longer a #1. There's a huge, huge difference between the player he was in 2014 and who he is now. He's very clearly lost a step.
Is he really using himself as a source?
He is insufferable.
Yeah I thought this too - he's such a fucking douche.
He's barely a #2 WR and that was with Bryant, Witten, and Elliott drawing attention. With Bryant gone and Witten aging, Williams will be further exposed.
I have a lot more confidence in a guy like Beckham coming back than I would Dez. BEckham is arguably the best route running WR in the game...he doesn't just get by on hops and speed.
Let Dez go round out his routes elsewhere. Dallas was smart to cut him. They don't make as many bad moves anymore which sucks.
Disagree. Dez is the kind of washed up player Belichick would've gotten rid of 2 years ago, imo.
Did the Raiders sign him yet?
That said, I could see Dez getting a long look from San Fran...
LOL, I can't even type that with a straight face, it would be funny though.
The Cowboys had nobody who could get deep last season . Williams and Bryant both lost their speed. Prescott got a bad rap for checking down. He was looking downfield ; simply wasnt anyone getting open.
Get on the phone Dave.
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.
Get on the phone Dave.
Nonsense?
Look what types of seasons he was having before that injury and look at what he's doing now.
Just in case you need a reminder..
88/1320/16
Nonsense my fucking ass
Watch him sign a reasonable deal to stay in the division. NOT with us
Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.
He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.
Of course he did. He was a top wideout for a while. Was he the "baby TO" that he was labelled coming out? No. But you can't sneeze at 4800 yards and 50 TD's in 4 years. The injuries are unfortunate, but prior to that - he was very productive.
WAS.
Mickey Spagnola
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Dez walked out saying I'll see guys twice this year, I'm told. So that's that.
So I guess that narrows it down to three teams...
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.
Get on the phone Dave.
Nonsense?
Look what types of seasons he was having before that injury and look at what he's doing now.
Just in case you need a reminder..
88/1320/16
Nonsense my fucking ass
He hasn't had a qb since Romo's last season- You know when that was? 2015. Manning would give his left nut to have Bryant as a target on the other side of Beckham.
Total fucking nonsense that he is washed up, and it's not close.
Those two together would be a dumpster fire...
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
Nonsense. He doesn't turn 30 until November, played all 16 games last season, caught 69 passes and 6 td's. He's got more shelf life left than Marshall, and we are pining over losing stiffs.
Get on the phone Dave.
I agree that on the field he's better than Marshall, but Gettleman is not going to bring him here. They are very clearly trying to create a more cohesive environment and Bryant isn't exactly known as a great teammate.
Would I sign a player *like* Dez now? Sure. Would I sign Dez? No.
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NYG shouldn't touch this dude with a 1000 foot pole.
Mickey Spagnola
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Dez walked out saying I'll see guys twice this year, I'm told. So that's that.
So I guess that narrows it down to three teams...
Like I said. Redskins.
Also, regarding the Pats. ONe guy said he's a perfect candidate for Bill, another said he's exactly the kind of guy they stay away from. Actually, he's the kind of guy Bill goes after only if he can get him for next to nothing. I don't think that's dez though, someone will pay him. Bill loves washed up players that other teams give up on because he gets them for pennies on the dollar.
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The Giants need Dez, Odell, Shepard, Engram and Saquon and then their offense can be functional.
Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.
He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.
2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.
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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.
Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.
He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.
Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?
2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.
Watch him play - if you can't see the difference, that's on you.
He's not the same guy at all.
Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.
They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
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How much Dak?
The Cowboys had nobody who could get deep last season . Williams and Bryant both lost their speed. Prescott got a bad rap for checking down. He was looking downfield ; simply wasnt anyone getting open.
Peak wise, yes. But he really only had 3 (maybe 4) peak years. From 2012-14 he was a top 5 WR with this average season:
91 rec, 1312 yds, 14 TDs
I bet he is going to Washington.
Also, regarding the Pats. ONe guy said he's a perfect candidate for Bill, another said he's exactly the kind of guy they stay away from. Actually, he's the kind of guy Bill goes after only if he can get him for next to nothing. I don't think that's dez though, someone will pay him. Bill loves washed up players that other teams give up on because he gets them for pennies on the dollar.
He hurt his foot. This isn't a compartment syndrome, torn leg muscles, knee fracture or some other leg complaint. The foot is sound- he played all 16 games last season- so if the legs are good, there is no reason he can't be a good, sound number 2 on a team with a competent passer, which we have.
Those two together would be a dumpster fire...
Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?
Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.
Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.
Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?
Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
Do the Eagles even have cap space for Dez?
But he still wants to be paid like a #1 and any team willing to do that is horribly run AND he still thinks he can perform like a #1 and deserves the ball and attention from his QB like a #1 and those are bigger concerns.
If he was a team player and accepted a secondary role, he would have value as a big red zone and otherwise underneath target.. but he's not, so I'm not interested.
He'd be a good fit with Carolina i think, but ... best bet is he ends up a Redskin.
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or CAR.
Do the Eagles even have cap space for Dez?
You can make almost anything work on a 1 year deal
Dak Prescott was pretty horrid last year. There's a pretty telling YouTube video detailing how many interceptions Dez saved.
Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.
They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:
Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's
Now I am not claiming Bryant is Hopkins so you can burn that strawman, but insisting the quality of the passer has nothing do with the wideout is plain silly.
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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.
Dak Prescott was pretty horrid last year. There's a pretty telling YouTube video detailing how many interceptions Dez saved.
I agree. It's takes 2. Dak didn't do Dez any favors, but there were a number of drops in that video. I'm sure he was frustrated after having Romo for years.
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In addition to @Spags52 report about Dez saying hed see the Cowboys twice this year, weve got this stamp of approval about staying in the NFC East.
They need him and could pay him big money
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DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.
Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.
They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
Why do I need to do all the looking up to dispel your ignorance?
Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:
Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's
Now I am not claiming Bryant is Hopkins so you can burn that strawman, but insisting the quality of the passer has nothing do with the wideout is plain silly.
Who were Hopkins' QB's in 2015 when he caught 111 passes?
Here you go:
Brian Hoyer
Ryan Mallett
TJ Yates
Brandon Weeden
You blamed Dez' lack of separation above on Prescott. Ridiculous logic.
Why is Dallas cutting ties if he hasn't declined?
Haha, I'm with ya. I'd start making the jerseys now.
Pryor was a complete bust. They're probably looking to fill that role with someone better.
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doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...
Haha, I'm with ya. I'd start making the jerseys now.
Great idea.
Joey?
Now that's funny :)
I still think he's a good player.. I want him out of the division.
Davante Adams was better than Bryant last year with Hundley starting half their games.
I don't know how anyone can argue that Bryant is the same player he used to be. All you have to do is watch one Dallas game and you'll see the same explosion he used to have isn't there anymore.
He'll still help whoever's offense he joins (if he can keep his head on straight) but it sure as hell won't be here. If he winds up here, I officially have no idea what Gettleman is doing.
Bottom line - he's no longer a top flight WR.
I still think he's a good player.. I want him out of the division.
Meh. Janoris Jenkins has done a great job on him. Not worried about it.
Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:
Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's
Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.
Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.
So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game
The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.
I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.
Those two together would be a dumpster fire...
I'm surprised you set your bible down long enough to read this thread.
Why is there this ever-present underbelly of Giants fans with a stick lodged in their ass?
Dez is far from a choir boy, but hardly a "psycho", christ.
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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.
Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.
He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.
Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?
2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.
Romo and Prescott don't have anything to do with Bryant's inability to separate from Defenders just because he used to be able to doesn't mean he always will be able to
Look at the moves Dave Gettleman has made since he got here.
He won't touch this player.
See. Heres my thing. I dont think Dez fell off. I just dont think he and Dak worked well together. Dak is a between the numbers short and quick completions guy whil Dez is a big boundary WR. Dak doesnt take chances with the football the way Romo did which plays into Dezs strength which has always been making tough jumpball plays on the outsides.
ha, one way or the other. Now put the pipe down
and go make Osso Buca
By that logic neither does the offensive line and run game that everyone here swears by.
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couldnt hurt at number 2
In a Heartbeat
YUPPERS
The amount of excuses that are piling up to explain his descent is just brilliant.
Everyone said the same thing about Odell and Marshall.
Odell got hurt and Marshall didn't do a damn thing but drop passes before he landed on IR as well.
(And I absolutely LOVED the Brandon Marshall signing)
WR is a need - but if people are going to spend every waking moment crying about Beckham's "antics," adding Bryant to the mix would be a fucking nightmare.
Choosing now?... I think Both are cooked---the G's have Brandon here and may know more to indicate that his tank is not empty.
Pass....But NOT to Dez!!!!!!
And your view is Dez will play for 2 years, $12 million?
That's naive. Proceed.
Marshall matured as a player and person and turned his life around. Can't say the same about Dez.
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Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch.......
And your view is Dez will play for 2 years, $12 million?
That's naive. Proceed.
Giants could probably do it if they wanted to, of course they would have to backload the contract hey I know its a long shot but never say never pal.......proceed......oh Im a yankee fan
From 2015 to 2017 without Romo, Bryant fell to #43 in the NFL with 17 TDs scored and 45th in receiving yards.
Direct correlation to the "supposed" drop off of Bryant was him losing Romo.
Bryant still has enough left in the tank that a good passing QB can make him a top 10 WR again. If he finds the right spot it will happen.
This guy will scream for the Ball.... he's the last to know that his ability is no longer at the level of his "personna".
LOL, so he'll get a one year deal... unless he doesn't. Really went out on a limb there.
I just don't know what to say to the "analysis" above about Dez with and without Romo. Anyone who watched the games or even stared at his numbers, knows the decline is about a hell of a lot more than just losing Romo and replacing him with Dak. How come other Dallas WRs didn't drop off with Dak? Dez got older and he's had significant leg injuries. Just glad you folks aren't GM of my favorite team.
He could have a resurgence elsewhere that is not out of the question, I dont think he's played up to standards at all
I don't see the comparison other than both were 29 and played WR.
Moss still had talent, but was in a bad place work ethic wise in Oakland.
Dez on the other hand, just hasn't shown any talent in two years now. His work ethic has been there, but he turned 132 targets this past year into 860 yards!
Finally, Pats already have Gronk, Mitchell, Edelman, J Matthews and Hogan. They don't have a need at WR.
How quickly do you think visits or whatever happens? Id think it would be sooner than later with the draft coming up
Hearing my cowboy fan relatives whine and cry would be worth it for me plus I get the feeling this year at least he might be a wee bit more motivated. He most likely will be on a one year fairly cheap prove it type deal. Id take him over Marshall any day of the week
If they are, I officially don't understand what Gettleman's plan is.
Doesn't seem to make much sense to me to sign a guy like Jonathan Stewart mostly for his locker room presence, to deal away JPP, cut ties with DRC, etc.. only to turn around and sign Dez Bryant.
I'd be very, very surprised if that ever materialized.
WSH/PHI/CAR all seem like more likely destinations.
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Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:
Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's
Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.
Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.
So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game
The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.
I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.
*crickets*
homer, where you at there bud?
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Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:
Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's
Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.
Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.
So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game
The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.
I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.
*crickets*
homer, where you at there bud?
He left when he realized he was his own "ignorance" and crappy math he was dispelling rather than my own.
Bottom line is I dont care if Jamarcus Russell is throwing the ball - Dez turned 132 fucking targets last year... into like 880 yards. That's ... mind boggling... inefficiency. Its not all on the QB and it sure as fuck isnt only because Romo retired. The other Dallas WRs were lot more efficient with their targets.
Bottom line is I dont care if Jamarcus Russell is throwing the ball - Dez turned 132 fucking targets last year... into like 880 yards. That's ... mind boggling... inefficiency. Its not all on the QB and it sure as fuck isnt only because Romo retired. The other Dallas WRs were lot more efficient with their targets.
I agree that Dez has lost a step (or three), but that last part isn't true:
Yards/Reception
_ _ _ __ 2016 _ 2017 __ %Diff
Witten: __ 9.8 __ 8.9 __ -9.18
Beasley:_ 11.1 __ 8.7 _ -21.62
Dez:_ _ _ 15.9 _ 12.1 _ -23.90
Williams: 13.5 _ 10.7 _ -20.74
Elliott:_ 11.3 _ 10.3 __ -8.85
Yards/Target
_ _ _ __ 2016 _ 2017 __ %Diff
Witten: __ 7.1 __ 6.4 __ -9.86
Beasley: _ 8.5 __ 5.0 _ -41.18 (5.0 is not an error)
Dez:_ _ __ 8.3 __ 6.4 _ -22.89
Williams:_ 9.7 __ 7.3 _ -24.74
Elliott:__ 9.3 __ 7.1 _ -23.66
Sorry for all the underscores, but BBI makes it very difficult to post readable tables.
Dez was far from the only Cowboy to see his numbers take a significant dip this year. Each of their top 5 receiving targets saw a significant drop in both yards/reception and yards/target. Dez and Witten actually caught nearly the same % of targets in both 2016 and 2017. For Witten, it was right around his career average (72.4%) but Dez has seen a significant drop since his injury (and Romo's injury/retirement).
To put Beasley's 5.0 yards/target in perspective, Darkwa averages about 4.8 y/tgt for his career. Anyone want to throw him the ball more?
So... He was less efficient than Terrance Williams and Zeke. He was also more inefficient than Brice Butler, who i'm assuming you didnt list above because of sample size, but who was 13.2 yards per target with 317 yards on 24 targets.
He was tied for 5th on the team among 7 guys over 20 targets... with 35-yr old plodder Jason Witten... above only Cole Beasley. Is this something you'd like to tout?
I'd like to know where 6.3 yards per target stacks up around the league.
Anyway, he's an emotional guy and if he really wants to cost himself millions to play on a one year prove it deal for us or another NFCE team... i guess i'd entertain that... but as emotions subside, my guess is he'll make a more rational decision and go someplace - Carolina, Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore, maybe Vegas - that is a little more desperate and will be willing to give him more guaranteed $.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo43rQRBtYI
And the larger point was that all of their receivers (including TE/RB here) saw a major dip in the efficiency numbers last season. The lone exception was Brice Butler who had less than 1 catch/game.
So there is *some* merit to Homer's point that Dak sucked.
- 203 WR/RB/TE qualified (>20 receptions)
- JuJu Smith-Schuster led the league at 11.61 y/t
- Julio - 13th with 9.76 y/t
- Antonio Brown 17th at 9.4 y/t
- Shepard was the top Giants WR in 37th with 8.70 y/t
- New Dallas #1 WR Allen Hurns was 38th with 8.64 y/t
- Dez was 138th in the NFL at 6.35 y/t - well below average
- 'Average' was Randall Cobb (102nd overall) at 7.10 y/t - still .75 yards/tgt better than Dez
- Only other Giants that finished above average are Beckham (87th with 7.37 y/t) and Ellison (90th with 7.34 y/t)
- Engram was a pretty poor 140th with only 6.28 y/t - drops played a big role here as he only caught 55.7% of balls compared to Ellison bringing in 75%
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Well, if he thinks Dez is still prime Dez, then he's an idiot. He's definitely lost some explosion since the injury. But his numbers have also suffered because Romo >>> Dak. It's somewhat amazing how little flak Dak's taken for their disappointing 2017.
Yup. He got way too much credit for being a game manager in 2016. He's not good.
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and we saw that last year when the OL wasn't dominant and they didn't run the ball at 6 yards a clip.
Yup. He got way too much credit for being a game manager in 2016. He's not good.
Hopefully they give him a big deal for $20M+ per year before realizing it...