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Cowboys expected to release WR Dez Bryant

Anakim : 4/13/2018 12:10 pm
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Cowboys expected to release WR Dev Bryant today, barring an unexpected last-minute change of heart, per @toddarcher and me. But the plan going into meeting that is now underway was to part ways with Bryant.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13913047 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13913027 arcarsenal said:


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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.

Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.

He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.

Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?

2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.


Watch him play - if you can't see the difference, that's on you.

He's not the same guy at all.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:01 pm : link
And he's not coming here. If you think Dave Gettleman is bringing this guy into our locker room, you've been asleep since he was hired.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.

Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.

They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
Gotta agree  
Anakim : 4/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
Dez has Daniel Snyder written all over him. I'd be printing the jerseys now
RE: RE: How Much Dez,  
giants#1 : 4/13/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13913010 RetroJint said:
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How much Dak?


The Cowboys had nobody who could get deep last season . Williams and Bryant both lost their speed. Prescott got a bad rap for checking down. He was looking downfield ; simply wasnt anyone getting open.


Peak wise, yes. But he really only had 3 (maybe 4) peak years. From 2012-14 he was a top 5 WR with this average season:

91 rec, 1312 yds, 14 TDs
Lets kick the tires  
NNJ Tom : 4/13/2018 1:09 pm : link
I kid, I kid...............
Just thought about  
Rflairr : 4/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
Dez with Green Bay. Can you imagine him with Rogers
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:12 pm : link
He just said "I'll see you twice this year"

I bet he is going to Washington.
RE: Homer,  
HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13913043 Keith said:
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I'm not sure what you are seeing. He was not the same guy. He lost all ability to separate. If you watch the cowboys and think Dez is the same guy, then you may need glasses. He doesn't move anything like he used to. He's got great size and a great ability to go up and get a ball, but he's not the same guy.

Also, regarding the Pats. ONe guy said he's a perfect candidate for Bill, another said he's exactly the kind of guy they stay away from. Actually, he's the kind of guy Bill goes after only if he can get him for next to nothing. I don't think that's dez though, someone will pay him. Bill loves washed up players that other teams give up on because he gets them for pennies on the dollar.
At age 29, I think it's a fair bet that this "failure to separate" is as much a function of the lack of quality of the passer as it is any physical disability.

He hurt his foot. This isn't a compartment syndrome, torn leg muscles, knee fracture or some other leg complaint. The foot is sound- he played all 16 games last season- so if the legs are good, there is no reason he can't be a good, sound number 2 on a team with a competent passer, which we have.
Think he was the best for  
TMS : 4/13/2018 1:15 pm : link
while. Great competitor and played hard every play.tough business.
I think Dez to PHI  
Sy'56 : 4/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
or CAR.
RE: The last thing DM & PS...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13913039 bw in dc said:
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need for this "new culture" is adding a psycho personality like Dez. We have enough issues with the ODJ and his non-sense.

Those two together would be a dumpster fire...




Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?

Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.

Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.

Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?

Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
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Stan in LA : 4/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
RE: I think Dez to PHI  
Anakim : 4/13/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13913078 Sy'56 said:
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or CAR.


Do the Eagles even have cap space for Dez?
Not the same without Romo  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2018 1:22 pm : link
Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.
He was an incredibly low efficiency player last year  
MetsAreBack : 4/13/2018 1:27 pm : link
i dont know if his foot has healed enough this offseason to give him a little more burst, and his drop issues are probably at least somewhat correctable.

But he still wants to be paid like a #1 and any team willing to do that is horribly run AND he still thinks he can perform like a #1 and deserves the ball and attention from his QB like a #1 and those are bigger concerns.

If he was a team player and accepted a secondary role, he would have value as a big red zone and otherwise underneath target.. but he's not, so I'm not interested.

He'd be a good fit with Carolina i think, but ... best bet is he ends up a Redskin.
RE: RE: I think Dez to PHI  
Sy'56 : 4/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13913087 Anakim said:
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or CAR.



Do the Eagles even have cap space for Dez?


You can make almost anything work on a 1 year deal
RE: Not the same without Romo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13913088 ZogZerg said:
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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.


Dak Prescott was pretty horrid last year. There's a pretty telling YouTube video detailing how many interceptions Dez saved.
Jerry Jones released a statement on his release  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
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HomerJones45 : 4/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13913058 arcarsenal said:
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DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.

Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.

They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.
Why do I need to do all the looking up to dispel your ignorance?

Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's

Now I am not claiming Bryant is Hopkins so you can burn that strawman, but insisting the quality of the passer has nothing do with the wideout is plain silly.
Lonk  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
[url]https://youtu.be/VzIlUmUWnCU[/irl]
Ugh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
https://youtu.be/VzIlUmUWnCU
If we could get Dez,  
Bill in UT : 4/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
Odell and Mayfield on the field at the same time, the Meadowlands would rock
Listening to Screamin A pontificate about Dez is pretty entertaining..  
figgy2989 : 4/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
Its like he hasnt watched him play the last two years.
Dez has Jets written all over him....  
kinard : 4/13/2018 1:39 pm : link
... They need wide-outs and have an influx of cash to burn.
bring him in for a look  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/13/2018 1:39 pm : link
why not? Marshall is also done
RE: RE: Not the same without Romo  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13913104 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.



Dak Prescott was pretty horrid last year. There's a pretty telling YouTube video detailing how many interceptions Dez saved.


I agree. It's takes 2. Dak didn't do Dez any favors, but there were a number of drops in that video. I'm sure he was frustrated after having Romo for years.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/13/2018 1:47 pm : link

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In addition to @Spags52 report about Dez saying hed see the Cowboys twice this year, weve got this stamp of approval about staying in the NFC East.

RE: Dez has Jets written all over him....  
Rflairr : 4/13/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13913140 kinard said:
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... They need wide-outs and have an influx of cash to burn.


They need him and could pay him big money
This has been expected ...  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 1:49 pm : link
The Cowboys have just under $2M in cap space. Cutting Dez will give them another $8M, which will be more than needed to sign this year's draft pick. Afterwards they should have a couple million emergency fund.
On Dak Prescott  
GiantTexan : 4/13/2018 1:51 pm : link
I agree with others that Romo has a lot to do with the slump. Dez is still a freak of an athlete.
David Carr dominates Dak Prescott in a passing competiton - ( New Window )
redskins have cap space  
Chip : 4/13/2018 1:54 pm : link
we would have to free up some cap space and one diva is enough.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said:
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DeAndre Hopkins just posted a 96/1378/13 season with Tom Savage throwing him the ball for most of it.

Spare me the QB excuse. It has nothing to do with that. He doesn't have the same explosion he used to have and doesn't separate the same way. He's still strong enough to make contested catches and bust through jams but if you think this is the same elite player he was 4 years ago, I'm sorry - he isn't.

They wouldn't be releasing him if he was still the same guy.

Why do I need to do all the looking up to dispel your ignorance?

Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's

Now I am not claiming Bryant is Hopkins so you can burn that strawman, but insisting the quality of the passer has nothing do with the wideout is plain silly.


Who were Hopkins' QB's in 2015 when he caught 111 passes?

Here you go:

Brian Hoyer
Ryan Mallett
TJ Yates
Brandon Weeden

You blamed Dez' lack of separation above on Prescott. Ridiculous logic.

Why is Dallas cutting ties if he hasn't declined?
If Dez...  
Chris in Philly : 4/13/2018 1:59 pm : link
doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...
RE: If Dez...  
Anakim : 4/13/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13913189 Chris in Philly said:
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doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...


Haha, I'm with ya. I'd start making the jerseys now.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
I absolutely expect him to go to Washington.

Pryor was a complete bust. They're probably looking to fill that role with someone better.
RE: RE: If Dez...  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13913192 Anakim said:
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doesn't sign with the Skins, I will eat my hat...



Haha, I'm with ya. I'd start making the jerseys now.


Great idea.

Joey?
Bryant and Richardson is really not a bad combination.  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 2:03 pm : link
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RE: On Dak Prescott  
Boatie Warrant : 4/13/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13913173 GiantTexan said:
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I agree with others that Romo has a lot to do with the slump. Dez is still a freak of an athlete. David Carr dominates Dak Prescott in a passing competiton - ( New Window )


Now that's funny :)
Hopkins..  
GiantTexan : 4/13/2018 2:05 pm : link
The entire Texans offense ran through Hopkins. That is the entire gameplan.
You would think the 49ers would be interested  
Giants in 07 : 4/13/2018 2:08 pm : link
given their supposed interest in Beckham

I still think he's a good player.. I want him out of the division.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
Forget Hopkins -

Davante Adams was better than Bryant last year with Hundley starting half their games.

I don't know how anyone can argue that Bryant is the same player he used to be. All you have to do is watch one Dallas game and you'll see the same explosion he used to have isn't there anymore.

He'll still help whoever's offense he joins (if he can keep his head on straight) but it sure as hell won't be here. If he winds up here, I officially have no idea what Gettleman is doing.

Bottom line - he's no longer a top flight WR.
RE: You would think the 49ers would be interested  
Brown Recluse : 4/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13913208 Giants in 07 said:
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given their supposed interest in Beckham

I still think he's a good player.. I want him out of the division.


Meh. Janoris Jenkins has done a great job on him. Not worried about it.
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MetsAreBack : 4/13/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said:
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Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each:

Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td
Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's
Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's



Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates.

Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17.

So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins:
Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game
Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game
Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game

The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either.

I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.
Would love to see Dez Bryant...  
the mike : 4/13/2018 2:20 pm : link
in the AFC asap...
RE: The last thing DM & PS...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/13/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13913039 bw in dc said:
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need for this "new culture" is adding a psycho personality like Dez. We have enough issues with the ODJ and his non-sense.

Those two together would be a dumpster fire...



I'm surprised you set your bible down long enough to read this thread.

Why is there this ever-present underbelly of Giants fans with a stick lodged in their ass?

Dez is far from a choir boy, but hardly a "psycho", christ.

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Beer Man : 4/13/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13912930 arcarsenal said:
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He's washed. He hasn't been the same since the foot injury.
Plus, can the team really stand another Diva at the WR spot.
Worst thing that happened to Dez' career was Tony Romo's injuries and  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/13/2018 2:33 pm : link
retirement. Even as Dez declined, the 2 of them were perfect together. Dak and Dez was average at best.
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Jint Fan in Buc Land : 4/13/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13913047 HomerJones45 said:
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This past year, Dez had almost an identical number of targets as he did in 2014.

Except this year, he caught about 20 less passes, had about 500 less receiving yards and scored TEN fewer TD's.

He's not the same player he was. All you need to do is watch him play. He's lost a step. It's not nonsense. He had a serious foot injury.

Yeah, and Dal is an equivalent qb to Romo. Check?

2014 was Romo's last season. He played 4 games in 15 and 1 in 16. 2104 was Bryants last 1000 yard season. It's not a coincidence.


Romo and Prescott don't have anything to do with Bryant's inability to separate from Defenders just because he used to be able to doesn't mean he always will be able to
i would drop marshall for him...  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 2:50 pm : link
couldnt hurt at number 2
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