Cowboys expected to release WR Dez Bryant

In comment 13913273 GMAN4LIFE said:

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couldnt hurt at number 2

Speculation is that Marshall is gone as soon as he gets a clean bill of health following last year's injury.

I don't know why you guys are wasting time speculating that he'd be an option here.

Look at the moves Dave Gettleman has made since he got here.

He won't touch this player.

In comment 13913273 GMAN4LIFE said:

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couldnt hurt at number 2

In a Heartbeat

we dont need anymore divas especially one that talks the talk a bigger game than he plays.

Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch.......

In comment 13913088 ZogZerg said:

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Scary how quickly receivers can fall off.

See. Here’s my thing. I don’t think Dez fell off. I just don’t think he and Dak worked well together. Dak is a “between the numbers” short and quick completions guy whil Dez is a big boundary WR. Dak doesn’t take chances with the football the way Romo did which plays into Dez’s strength which has always been making tough jumpball plays on the outsides.

that selfish diva WR's who make questionable off-field decisions don't translate to superbowls.

In comment 13913122 Bill in UT said:

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Odell and Mayfield on the field at the same time, the Meadowlands would rock

ha, one way or the other. Now put the pipe down
and go make Osso Buca

In comment 13913323 giantsFC said:

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that selfish diva WR's who make questionable off-field decisions don't translate to superbowls.

By that logic neither does the offensive line and run game that everyone here swears by.

would be the best receivers in the league by far. But are they healthy and mature enough to want to win a championship instead of the BS? Add Barkley and it becomes a no brainer. Provided ELI has not gotten old .

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In comment 13913294 N9NE11 said:

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In comment 13913273 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: couldnt hurt at number 2 In a Heartbeat

YUPPERS

OBJ, Bryant, Sheppard, Engram.

how Dez is the non-Giant Eli.

The amount of excuses that are piling up to explain his descent is just brilliant.

In comment 13913346 TMS said:

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would be the best receivers in the league by far. But are they healthy and mature enough to want to win a championship instead of the BS? Add Barkley and it becomes a no brainer. Provided ELI has not gotten old .

Everyone said the same thing about Odell and Marshall.

Odell got hurt and Marshall didn't do a damn thing but drop passes before he landed on IR as well.

(And I absolutely LOVED the Brandon Marshall signing)

WR is a need - but if people are going to spend every waking moment crying about Beckham's "antics," adding Bryant to the mix would be a fucking nightmare.

For Dez or not.

Prime Dez versus Prime Marshall...I'd take Marshall as the pairing with Odell

Choosing now?... I think Both are cooked---the G's have Brandon here and may know more to indicate that his tank is not empty.

Pass....But NOT to Dez!!!!!!

In comment 13913298 NikkiMac said:

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Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch.......

And your view is Dez will play for 2 years, $12 million?

That's naive. Proceed.

and give him a lot more than I'd ever be comfortable giving a guy with his wear and tear. And that's not even considering how bad of a fit culturally he would likely be.

Marshall matured as a player and person and turned his life around. Can't say the same about Dez.

could have a chance of beating them!

In comment 13913462 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13913298 NikkiMac said: Quote: Bring on Dez perfect complement tp OBJ ..... he can still play watch....... And your view is Dez will play for 2 years, $12 million? That's naive. Proceed.

Giants could probably do it if they wanted to, of course they would have to backload the contract hey I know it’s a long shot but never say never pal.......proceed......oh I’m a yankee fan

Romo was injured in 2010, from 2011 to 2014 Bryant had 50 TDs for second in the NFL behind M. Lynch's 56. He was 5th in receiving yards.

From 2015 to 2017 without Romo, Bryant fell to #43 in the NFL with 17 TDs scored and 45th in receiving yards.

Direct correlation to the "supposed" drop off of Bryant was him losing Romo.

Bryant still has enough left in the tank that a good passing QB can make him a top 10 WR again. If he finds the right spot it will happen.

In comment 13913140 kinard said:

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... They need wide-outs and have an influx of cash to burn.

they also have 15 wrs on the roster (surprisingly I still don't think that stops them lol)

He will probably get a one year prove it deal around 7-8 mill unless of course several teams get into a bidding war

No Thanks!

This guy will scream for the Ball.... he's the last to know that his ability is no longer at the level of his "personna".

In comment 13913753 eli4life said:

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He will probably get a one year prove it deal around 7-8 mill unless of course several teams get into a bidding war

LOL, so he'll get a one year deal... unless he doesn't. Really went out on a limb there.

I just don't know what to say to the "analysis" above about Dez with and without Romo. Anyone who watched the games or even stared at his numbers, knows the decline is about a hell of a lot more than just losing Romo and replacing him with Dak. How come other Dallas WRs didn't drop off with Dak? Dez got older and he's had significant leg injuries. Just glad you folks aren't GM of my favorite team.

Pats need a receiver and the Moss experience is the precedent... Bryant may have a renaissance with Brady and the Patriots...

Ond thing that is clear when watching him is he doesn't get alot of separation and he seems to drop alot of passes
He could have a resurgence elsewhere that is not out of the question, I dont think he's played up to standards at all

is because the baby sitter is asking for a raise....

In comment 13913895 the mike said:

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Pats need a receiver and the Moss experience is the precedent... Bryant may have a renaissance with Brady and the Patriots...

I don't see the comparison other than both were 29 and played WR.

Moss still had talent, but was in a bad place work ethic wise in Oakland.

Dez on the other hand, just hasn't shown any talent in two years now. His work ethic has been there, but he turned 132 targets this past year into 860 yards!

Finally, Pats already have Gronk, Mitchell, Edelman, J Matthews and Hogan. They don't have a need at WR.

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In comment 13914650 JonC said:

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How quickly do you think visits or whatever happens? I’d think it would be sooner than later with the draft coming up

Another clown in the wide receiver room.

In comment 13914747 Go Terps said:

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Another clown in the wide receiver room.

Hearing my cowboy fan relatives whine and cry would be worth it for me plus I get the feeling this year at least he might be a wee bit more motivated. He most likely will be on a one year fairly cheap prove it type deal. I’d take him over Marshall any day of the week

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In comment 13915975 JonC said:

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If they are, I officially don't understand what Gettleman's plan is.

Doesn't seem to make much sense to me to sign a guy like Jonathan Stewart mostly for his locker room presence, to deal away JPP, cut ties with DRC, etc.. only to turn around and sign Dez Bryant.

I'd be very, very surprised if that ever materialized.

WSH/PHI/CAR all seem like more likely destinations.

and I wonder how much he's got left in the tank, to boot, same problem(s) with Marshall already.

Rather have an apparent washed up Marshall(though I’m fine with them parting ways with him even though I loved the 2 year signing at the time) than Dez if the choice was between the two.

In comment 13913219 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said: Quote: Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each: Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates. Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17. So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins: Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either. I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest.

*crickets*

homer, where you at there bud?

In comment 13916211 Keith said:

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In comment 13913219 MetsAreBack said: Quote: In comment 13913112 HomerJones45 said: Quote: Hopkins had 3 qb's last season. Here is what he did with each: Watson 45 catches, 606 yards 7td Savage 32 catches 378 yards 2 td's Yates 19 catches 284 yards 4 td's Funny math above because Hopkins had 1,378 receiving yards last year. You lowballed Savage by 100 yards on bad math, and in the SF game, Savage i think had ~40 yards throwing to Hopkins before giving way to Yates. Watson QB'd Hopkins for 6.5 games. Savage for 6.25 games. And Yates for 2.75 games. That needs to be factored into your "analysis." Note that Hopkins missed week 17. So here are the correct numbers on a per game basis for Deandre Hopkins: Watson: 6.9 catches, 93 yards, 1.1 TDs per game Savage: 5.6 catches, 82 yards, 0.3 TDs per game Yates: 5.8 catches, 90 yards, 1.5 TDs per game The rest of your post i agree with, but at the same time, I watched too much Dallas football last year and Dez has definitely lost a lot of foot speed and separation ability. Its not all on Dak. He was useful in the red zone and in short routes because he's still a big body... so yes, agree, he's not in Hopkins stratosphere.... he's not in Davonte Adams category either. I'd put him on par with like a Kelvim Benjamin or Marvin Jones if I'm being honest. *crickets* homer, where you at there bud?

He left when he realized he was his own "ignorance" and crappy math he was dispelling rather than my own.

of course they do, we all knew that already. I was just put-off by the needlessly condescending way he went about his argument.

Bottom line is I dont care if Jamarcus Russell is throwing the ball - Dez turned 132 fucking targets last year... into like 880 yards. That's ... mind boggling... inefficiency. Its not all on the QB and it sure as fuck isnt only because Romo retired. The other Dallas WRs were lot more efficient with their targets.

There are a lot of reasons WR's have success and the QB def plays a role, but you couldn't spell it out any better MAB.

In comment 13916333 MetsAreBack said:

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of course they do, we all knew that already. I was just put-off by the needlessly condescending way he went about his argument. Bottom line is I dont care if Jamarcus Russell is throwing the ball - Dez turned 132 fucking targets last year... into like 880 yards. That's ... mind boggling... inefficiency. Its not all on the QB and it sure as fuck isnt only because Romo retired. The other Dallas WRs were lot more efficient with their targets.

I agree that Dez has lost a step (or three), but that last part isn't true:

Yards/Reception

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_ _ _ __ 2016 _ 2017 __ %Diff Witten: __ 9.8 __ 8.9 __ -9.18 Beasley:_ 11.1 __ 8.7 _ -21.62 Dez:_ _ _ 15.9 _ 12.1 _ -23.90 Williams: 13.5 _ 10.7 _ -20.74 Elliott:_ 11.3 _ 10.3 __ -8.85

Yards/Target

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_ _ _ __ 2016 _ 2017 __ %Diff Witten: __ 7.1 __ 6.4 __ -9.86 Beasley: _ 8.5 __ 5.0 _ -41.18 (5.0 is not an error) Dez:_ _ __ 8.3 __ 6.4 _ -22.89 Williams:_ 9.7 __ 7.3 _ -24.74 Elliott:__ 9.3 __ 7.1 _ -23.66

Sorry for all the underscores, but BBI makes it very difficult to post readable tables.

Dez was far from the only Cowboy to see his numbers take a significant dip this year. Each of their top 5 receiving targets saw a significant drop in both yards/reception and yards/target. Dez and Witten actually caught nearly the same % of targets in both 2016 and 2017. For Witten, it was right around his career average (72.4%) but Dez has seen a significant drop since his injury (and Romo's injury/retirement).

To put Beasley's 5.0 yards/target in perspective, Darkwa averages about 4.8 y/tgt for his career. Anyone want to throw him the ball more?

Dez led the Cowboys in yards/reception and was tied for 3rd in yards/target.

for pulling together the stats. But my comment above was clearly talking about Yards per Target. We all know Dez dropped a lot of balls last year and we keep talking about the 133 targets... with a catch rate barely over 50%, yards per reception isnt a particularly relevant metric.

So... He was less efficient than Terrance Williams and Zeke. He was also more inefficient than Brice Butler, who i'm assuming you didnt list above because of sample size, but who was 13.2 yards per target with 317 yards on 24 targets.

so not sure where you are getting your little soundbite about "3rd on the team in yards per target"

He was tied for 5th on the team among 7 guys over 20 targets... with 35-yr old plodder Jason Witten... above only Cole Beasley. Is this something you'd like to tout?

I'd like to know where 6.3 yards per target stacks up around the league.

Anyway, he's an emotional guy and if he really wants to cost himself millions to play on a one year prove it deal for us or another NFCE team... i guess i'd entertain that... but as emotions subside, my guess is he'll make a more rational decision and go someplace - Carolina, Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore, maybe Vegas - that is a little more desperate and will be willing to give him more guaranteed $.

that they're reserving criticism for Dak. Dak is the one getting pushed like a superstar when he's done nothing. Why the hell is that guy getting TV commercials. He's an arrogant douche.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo43rQRBtYI

I was just looking at their top 5 WRs (in targets and receptions). Smith/Butler barely averaged 1 target per game.

And the larger point was that all of their receivers (including TE/RB here) saw a major dip in the efficiency numbers last season. The lone exception was Brice Butler who had less than 1 catch/game.

So there is *some* merit to Homer's point that Dak sucked.

Notables:

- 203 WR/RB/TE qualified (>20 receptions)
- JuJu Smith-Schuster led the league at 11.61 y/t
- Julio - 13th with 9.76 y/t
- Antonio Brown 17th at 9.4 y/t
- Shepard was the top Giants WR in 37th with 8.70 y/t
- New Dallas #1 WR Allen Hurns was 38th with 8.64 y/t
- Dez was 138th in the NFL at 6.35 y/t - well below average
- 'Average' was Randall Cobb (102nd overall) at 7.10 y/t - still .75 yards/tgt better than Dez
- Only other Giants that finished above average are Beckham (87th with 7.37 y/t) and Ellison (90th with 7.34 y/t)
- Engram was a pretty poor 140th with only 6.28 y/t - drops played a big role here as he only caught 55.7% of balls compared to Ellison bringing in 75%

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because his point was that Dez is the same guy with a bad QB. The reality is that there were a lot of factors into Dez's production with the QB being one of them. I think most will agree that Dak isn't Romo and Dak is not a great QB for production at the WR position. The whole story though....Dez is not the same guy since the injury.