TRADE DOWN SCENARIO (TOP 4 ROUNDS): TRADE WITH BILLS
GIANTS GIVE PICK #2
GIANTS GET PICKS #12,22,53,56 (1st round 2019)
Draft needs: OL, QB, Pass Rush/EDGE, FS, LB, RB, CB
*Options listed are as seen as best potential pieces for Giants in terms of needs/scheme fit.
ROUND 1 Pick 12
Options: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Marcus Davenport, Roquan Smith, Jaire Alexander (highest potential shutdown CB in this draft), Derwin James (combo FS/Slot CB with size), McGlinchey, Vita Vea (freak 340lb athlete with something between Ngata and Suh upside), Harold Landry (16.5 sacks junior year)
Choice: LB Tremaine Edmunds -one of biggest freaks of this draft , moldable clay, supreme upside. One of youngest draft prospects. Bettcher is a master tinkerer and took Chandler Jones and turned him into a sack machine. Bettcher will find a way to best utilize this kids immense talent. Could see Roquan Smith tabbed as the pick here as well as the next 'Luke Kuechly' of the NFL or even Landry as he may be the highest upside sack guy in this draft as an EDGE 3-4
ROUND 1 Pick 22
Options: G ISAIAH WYNN, Conor Williams, Jaire Alexander, Courtland Sutton, Leighton Van Der Esch,Rashaan Evans,Harold Landry(16.5 sacks JR year), Darius Guice
Choice: G Isaiah Wynn- one of most versatile lineman with good blend of power and feet and decent length arms to make up for lack of height
Round 2 pick 2
Options: Will Hernandez OG, James Daniels,Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel, Isaiah Oliver, Kyle Lauletta
Choice: QB Kyle Lauletta- rumors of Washington going Lauletta at pick 44. Alot of traction since Senior Bowl and may be one of top Qbs of the second tier after the top 4 (Mayfield,Rosen,Darnold,Allen). Giants have scouted him extensively and apparently like him alot.
Round 2 pick 21
Options:Billy Price,Lorenzo Carter,Kyle Lauletta, Frank Ragnow,Justin Reid,Isaiah Oliver
Choice:CB Isaiah Oliver- one of my favorite CBs in this entire draft. Tremendous smarts,coverage ability, and very long arms. NFL Comp: Nnamdi Asomugha with the Raiders.
ROUND 2 Pick 24
Options:Kyle Lauletta,Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen,Lorenzo Carter, Jessie Bates III
Choice: FS Jessie Bates III. Giants ecstatic Bates falls this far. FS with true CF skills. Allows LC to play up and attacking line of scrimmage.
ROUND 3 Pick 2
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny,Kemeco Turay, Josh Sweat
Choice: EDGE Kemeco Turay. Pass rusher with tremendous upside. Could see Josh Sweat here as well.
ROUND 3 Pick 5
Options: Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny, Mark Walton, Nyheim Hines, Frank Ragnow
Choice: OC/OC Frank Ragnow. Tough as nails O-Linemen . Could be a plug and play starter. Tremendous value in round 3.
ROUND 4 Pick 7
Options: Mason Cole, Mark Walton, Nyheim Hines, Royce Freeman, Kellen Ballage, Desmond Harrison.
Choice: RB Mark Walton. All purpose back that Shurmur prefers for offense. RB deepest position in this draft , Giants get a pretty good one round 4. Could see Royce or Nyheim here too.
Draft results:
-2 OL drafted (1 plug and play and 2nd possible rookie starter), 1 QB (highest upside of 2nd tier), 1 LB (arguably top LB in draft w/ pass rush upside), 2nd EDGE rusher with high upside, Good looking multi purpose RB , 1 CB (very high upside player with lockdown potential), 1 FS (underrated player)
Draft Grade:
A. Just about ALL top team needs addressed. Many with high upside and lower LTI (length of time to impact).
I realize that with any mock we will have some varied opinions across the board. Tremaine is a guy who has potential like few who have come to the league have. The difference of opinion will be is his lack of instinct for the position a function of youth, coaching, and experience or an inherent trait that he likely will not improve upon. Also a big factor is I beleive he his the traits to become a pass rushing monster off the edge. I also considered Davenport for this spot but don't see quite the upside and versatility I see with Tremaine who I think under Bettcher would be used to his maximum versatility and potential.
He averaged 14 his first two in Arizona.
Not sure he was transformed into some sack machine, especially when you consider his snap counts went up 20% in Arizona.
He averaged 14 his first two in Arizona.
Not sure he was transformed into some sack machine, especially when you consider his snap counts went up 20% in Arizona.
That kind of sack production is elite in today's quicker passing game especially in lieu of his 17.0 sack effort this season.
(I am not a fan of T Edwards)
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averaged 12 sacks per season his last three years in New England.
He averaged 14 his first two in Arizona.
Not sure he was transformed into some sack machine, especially when you consider his snap counts went up 20% in Arizona.
That kind of sack production is elite in today's quicker passing game especially in lieu of his 17.0 sack effort this season.
He was probably used better in AZ, I'm just saying he was always a great pass rusher.
Thanks TMS! I have a couple more I'll share in a bit.
It gives us a good idea of how to maximize the value of our 'real estate' so to speak either by holding on to it or selling it and turning it into something much more diversified.
Gettleman has to make this trade if the Bills put it on the table...
(I am not a fan of T Edwards)
Agreed. Opinions on him are very mixed. But the upside is undeniably tremendous.
From Lance Zeirline:
Sources Tell Us
"Good luck with your player comp on this one. They don't come like him. I don't think there has ever been a linebacker that has had his size and speed. You're better off comping him with a basketball player." -- NFC regional scout
From Daniel Jeremiah (who he ranks as #6 of his top 50 prospects in the entire draft):
Edmunds has a unique blend of size, length and athleticism. He primarily lines up off the line of scrimmage, but does get some work rushing off the edge. Against the run, he is quick to key, fill and finish as a tackler. He has rare lateral range and collects tackles from sideline to sideline. The former Hokie flashes the ability to shoot his hands and play off blocks, but this is one area where he can improve. Against the pass, he easily mirrors running backs and tight ends; there are even examples of him matching up and redirecting vs. slot receivers. He offers tremendous upside as an edge rusher, where he can dip/rip and bend around the edge. Overall, Edmunds has All-Pro ability. His upside is outrageous.
I think with the release of JPP we are going to want a monster screaming off the edge. I would think the other top options would be Davenport or Landry.
(I am not a fan of T Edwards)
I agree that they should come away with either Vea, McGlinchy or both if they are available... but both could be taken before #12 as they seem to be moving higher in latest mocks...
I also like the Lauletta choice and explanation. I am of the opinion that we must come out of this draft w a conviction of our (not so distant) future QB. If that is one of the often discussed top 4 guys...great. If, somehow, they've come to believe Webb is that guy or if they are very high on Lauletta, then great. The scenario that worries me is they foolishly/shortsightedly think Manning has multiple years left and kick the QB down the road in terms of positioning the franchise in a responsible way.
They can sign a journeyman or a rookie FA to provide a third arm for camp. If that guy is worth keeping around, he can be stashed on the Practice Squad. If not, no harm done.
The JPP of LBs??
If there is anyone who can be called incomparable, it's LT.
Glenn might be damaged goods. I think with the trade of JPP and the dearth of pass rushers Giants might jump on a highly rated one at 12. I could see Landry(16.5 sacks 1 year ago) or Davenport here too. Would you prefer either of those guys?
Connor Williams over Wynn.
No interest in Lauletta. He's being massively overrated, just like Peterman was last year. He doesn't have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. Webb is better. Second tier QBs are available every year. Draft Darnold or develop Webb.
Agreed.
johnny boy I totally agree with you. I think the Giants board currently looks like this:
1. Darnold (highest grade)
2. Saquon (close grade b/c they see him as a potential generational talent/weapon.)
3. Chubb (they want a pass rusher- though I dont like his 7.37 cone time at all which verifies he lack of quick twitch)
Unfortunately I don't think Rosen is high enough on their list to take at 2. They are ultra-conservative and they may see him as too 'boisterous' of a persona. He may be my favorite player in the entire draft though next to Saquon.
Connor Williams over Wynn.
No interest in Lauletta. He's being massively overrated, just like Peterman was last year. He doesn't have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. Webb is better. Second tier QBs are available every year. Draft Darnold or develop Webb.
With the loss of JPP, if I go DL with first pick he needs to be a bonafide double digit sack guy. I dont think Vea will quite reach that level. Davenport or Landry might.
Pick at 23 makes sense.
Would NOT take a QB this year unless at #2.
Use that pick on either an OL or DL depending on what you do at 12.
Use a number 2 for a RB as you did
Get a CB/S with the last #2 and one of the 3s.
Pick at 23 makes sense.
Would NOT take a QB this year unless at #2.
Use that pick on either an OL or DL depending on what you do at 12.
Use a number 2 for a RB as you did
Get a CB/S with the last #2 and one of the 3s.
Yea we can do alot of damage with all those picks if we are a bit strategic about it. BTW, CB Isaiah Oliver may be my favorite value pick in the entire draft.
I'm a believer in this guys take on him (linked below).
Best CB in draft? - ( New Window )
I also like the Lauletta choice and explanation. I am of the opinion that we must come out of this draft w a conviction of our (not so distant) future QB. If that is one of the often discussed top 4 guys...great. If, somehow, they've come to believe Webb is that guy or if they are very high on Lauletta, then great. The scenario that worries me is they foolishly/shortsightedly think Manning has multiple years left and kick the QB down the road in terms of positioning the franchise in a responsible way.
Thanks pep. We dont get the first tier Qb but we got a 'darkhorse' who may not be far off from those guys plus a landfall of extra picks to plug our remaining roster weaknesses.
adamg : 1:32 pm : link : reply
at #1 pick 12 Roquan Smith not a fan of Edmunds
Not taking a QB Take an Edge rusher maybe Carter
the rest look decent . I would not be shocked with a trade down but if its with the Bills need to hit HR's with the first two rounds .
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Hey giantsfc, I just posted what a few variations could look like including 2 within the top 5 in another thread. Check it out!
The first tier is at 8-9 players and the second tier is at 20
Picks 20 - 40 are interchangeable and as such are devalued
I don’t like the trade with Buffalo as the Giants are not likely to get one if the true impact players
The Giants are trading out of the first tier and assuming that they are not drafting a quarterback they will miss out on Chubb, Barkley, Nelson, and Fitzpatrick.
The Giants have a chance to get a cornerstone player
The players that the Giants can get with a trade with Buffalo are nice additions but they are not blue chip prospects
In retrospect rarely do the teams that trade down have the better draft
Giants may love a Davenport,Edmunds, James, Landry , Vea , or McGlinchey and have a fringe blue chip grade on them.
If they have a 'fringe' or borderline blue chip grade, the loss of dropping dpwn wont necessarily be monumental if we believe Webb is the heir apparent and/or dont like the QBs that are left not picked by the Browns
Bingo
It's not a half ass depending on your teams grades. Giants are extremely selective (perhaps too much so) about QB character. Lauletta has glowing reviews character wise. Further 1 pick just became 5 picks. You are using your 3rd selection (order wise) and only 1 of your 9 picks now yet on a QB you have very highly rated. Lastly QB is the most important position on the field.
Right or wrong dont think anyone but Darnold carries the full package of their convictions on a QB. Sadly I think Rosen is the best of the bunch but dont see him as what they look for character wise.
2 is a little high to pick nelson in an OL rich draft as well so a move back to 5-8 would be the range he comes into play
probably so would roquan smith and one of the edge rushers as they badly need an upgrade there
i want barkley most he will give them the running attack to go toe to toe with philly and dallas which they will need to be able to do if they wish to challenge for the division
but i can totally see DG drafting chubb he is also the kind of guy he had a history of drafting both in his last stint here and in carolina they could easily draft a very good RB in the 2nd or 3rd round after drafting chubb so i can see the sense of that i just dont think any of them are the complete package barkley is
those pics of him in the giants hoodie also shows he would want to be a giant
But I'm glad you graded yourself with an A.
I listed the range of variations we could see in the link below
5 potential NYG draft scenarios - ( New Window )
The JPP of LBs??
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You, athletic, and not too bright SCREAMS a Jerry Reach!
The JPP of LBs??
Agree definitely a Jerry Reach pick . Great athlete but not a motivated FB player. Wants a payday but will not be able to learn how to use his skills and may do stupid stuff like Plaxico and JPP. Pass.
Edmunds is not a reach pick at any stretch at 12. In fact we'd be fortunate if he dropped that far. Check out the reports on him above in this thread if you havent already.
There may be a smaller handful of safeties and tight ends worth drafting as well.
Then start thinking about 2019 and street fillers.
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In comment 13913207 Victor in CT said:
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You, athletic, and not too bright SCREAMS a Jerry Reach!
The JPP of LBs??
Agree definitely a Jerry Reach pick . Great athlete but not a motivated FB player. Wants a payday but will not be able to learn how to use his skills and may do stupid stuff like Plaxico and JPP. Pass.
Edmunds is not a reach pick at any stretch at 12. In fact we'd be fortunate if he dropped that far. Check out the reports on him above in this thread if you havent already.
Do the reports include his lack of instincts?
Like Sony and Ronald Jones quite a bit but I really agree with the Giants on Kyle. I think he could become a very good NFL QB.
2 QBs likely go 2 and 3 if they pull that stunt. Dont see them taking the 3rd QB on the board.
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if he is there, because he sees him as a game changer. If he is gone, then the Buffalo or any trade will come into play. Sure the homework has been done by him and Abrams for all these scenarios. Waiting two years for a new QB (no matter who it is) is not in play since ELI will get another shot or two. If Cleveland takes Barkley on draft night all hell will break lose. good stuff.
2 QBs likely go 2 and 3 if they pull that stunt. Dont see them taking the 3rd QB on the board.