Every once in a while Glauber hits on one -- and this article is meaty and a different perspective than anything I've read this year. Pennington looks at each of the top 5 QBs coming into the draft according to their strengths and weaknesses and how an organizational fit has to be made with them.
“Organizations looking at quarterbacks really have to narrow down who they think best fits,” said Pennington, who was recently hired to become head coach at Lexington’s Sayre High School. “It’s not a cookie-cutter approach. It’s a personalized approach to who fits us, so that’s where you have to make the right decision. We think these guys are robots, but they’re not. [Former Dolphins coach] Tony Sparano used to say, ‘We’re not going to find the best 53, we’re going to find the right 53. You have to find the right guy at quarterback.”
That’s especially true in this year’s class, which offers a wide range of talent and skillsets. Pennington runs down the list: |
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All these QB's have talent and I really agree that a few could be the guy here, mainly Darnold, Rosen and Allen.
I’m not sure I want to use the second pick of the draft on someone who has a chance to be successful.
Very valid point and irresponsible for the media to not mention that. Its like trying to personally place a knock on Darnold.
If not for the accumulation of injuries, Pennington could have been the Joe Montana of his generation.
Turned the ball over 37 times in 26 career games. Careless with the football. A flash player who lacks smooth footwork in the pocket. Concluded the last 5 games of his college career with six touchdowns and three interceptions. Possesses unconventional throwing motion.
I usually read weaknesses when learning about players..For fairness, I’ll state his strengths as they see it.
At his best extemporaneously when everything breaks down around him.Extends plays and takes advantage of the chaos in the secondary. An above-average athlete with skills to get positive yards. Has had his moments where he flashes accuracy, touch, and ball placement. Has the size and strength to sit in the pocket and absorb a hit.A developing talent.
Really? I thought Darnold was intimidated by the Combine pressure -- I don't know how he'd handle NY if he's intimidated by the national pressure that was in Indianapolis.
If not for the accumulation of injuries, Pennington could have been the Joe Montana of his generation.
I agree! A very fine QB who is under-rated to this day.
He keeps on his toes and keeps his eyes trained down field and he's already fairly adept at pump fakes and looking off coverages. He isn't particularly strong on crossing routes but he has good touch down the field. He's more suited to attack the hashes and the seams than dump off to a cross or slant. He overly trusts his arm some times and it does result in bad interception numbers but again it's because he's trying to make a play. He's not timid at all and it's a great asset and big weakness. All the tools are there.
There's a quote in there from Tony Sparano, ‘We’re not going to find the best 53, we’re going to find the right 53”. I like that. Thanks again.
If not for the accumulation of injuries, Pennington could have been the Joe Montana of his generation.
Pennington never had the arm to be another Montana.
He keeps on his toes and keeps his eyes trained down field and he's already fairly adept at pump fakes and looking off coverages. He isn't particularly strong on crossing routes but he has good touch down the field. He's more suited to attack the hashes and the seams than dump off to a cross or slant. He overly trusts his arm some times and it does result in bad interception numbers but again it's because he's trying to make a play. He's not timid at all and it's a great asset and big weakness. All the tools are there.
That’s good to hear.
Because Josh Rosen is held to different standards then everyone else.
Rosen has 2 concussions. Mayfield has 2 concussions. (3 if you honestly look at his arrest video) No mention ever of Mayfield concussions.
Rosen had a AC Joint Spain soft tissue injury in his shoulder. Allen had an AC Joint Sprain soft tissue injury in his shoulder this Nov-Dec of this season. No mention of Allen’s injury ever. Or that he took longer than expected to recover.
Rosen has “off the field issues” consisting of anonymous quotes of teammates not liking him, he “challenges” coaches by asking why, he once had a hot tub in his dorm room and he wore anti-Trump gear. Mayfield has a litany of issues consisting of drilling opponents in head in warmups, crotch pointing on the field, a feud with an opposssing HC and an arrest that was caught on video of him attempting to resist arrest and flee. No mention of Mayfields concerns mostly, including in this article.
Rosen has a “thin frame”. This despite being bigger than Darnold and not having any “frame” injuries like broken bones. Allen has had 2 “frame” injuries with broken collarbones that ended 2 seasons of is (HS & college) and he has a steel plate with 7 screws in his body. It is never mentioned that Darnold is smaller than him and Allen has had repeated frame injuries.
We also never hear mention of Josh Rosen leading the 2nd greatest comeback in NCAA history.
there is also rarely a mention of the fact that Rosen personally fundraiser $1500 each for his HS teammates to afford a trip to Hawaii so all teammates can attend. This was of his own initiative. Yeah, man this guy sounds like a terrible leader.
So Rosen is just simple held to a different standard.
That said, I do get the character concerns. When Pennington says of Rosen "What everyone’s trying to figure out is who he is off the field," I think he's referring to leadership and commitment to his craft, not the message Rosen once wore on his bandanna while golfing.
He keeps on his toes and keeps his eyes trained down field and he's already fairly adept at pump fakes and looking off coverages. He isn't particularly strong on crossing routes but he has good touch down the field. He's more suited to attack the hashes and the seams than dump off to a cross or slant. He overly trusts his arm some times and it does result in bad interception numbers but again it's because he's trying to make a play. He's not timid at all and it's a great asset and big weakness. All the tools are there.
This reads like a developmental prospect report. You don’t take a guy like that at 2.
You arent born with that. You have to work for that
Rosen learned his playbook in 3 days.
These are not the achievements of someone not committed to their craft.
You arent born with that. You have to work for that
Rosen learned his playbook in 3 days.
These are not the achievements of someone not committed to their craft.
Ill add in. Check out Josh Rosen’s Play Action Pass. Its at darn near Peyton Manning level of perfect already. Compare his play action to the rest of his peers.
You develop the play action with some serious dedication.
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Rosen has textbook perfect footwork & mechanics... These are not the achievements of someone not committed to their craft.
I didn't mean to second the concern - I was just trying to interpret it.
I understand. I didnt mean it as an attack on you.
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is a huge factor to consider, if the Giants choose to select a QB. Darnold's demeanor appears to be the best fit to absorb the New Media. Allen could very well be overwhelmed. Rosen's opinionated talk may get him into trouble with the media and I question if that will effect him. Mayfield just needs to say or do something inflammatory which will be amplified bulletin board material in New York that may drive the organization nuts. Have to love Eli in how he brushes off the New York media.
Really? I thought Darnold was intimidated by the Combine pressure -- I don't know how he'd handle NY if he's intimidated by the national pressure that was in Indianapolis.
And I feel this stuff about Mayfield is idiotic. An I believe the Rosen issue is overblown.
If a player wins he'll do well. Then he can do or say nearly anything.
You know CT Charlie I’m starting to agree with that thinking and draft Barkley I like Rosen but I think Webb is ahead of whoever they draft as far as QB or trade down and build the team with the picks..... maybe so
Marty - I'm not referring to his not throwing -- I'm referring to his demeanor when facing the press in his public interviews -- I felt he seemed a little overwhelmed
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Rosen has textbook perfect footwork & mechanics
You arent born with that. You have to work for that
Rosen learned his playbook in 3 days.
These are not the achievements of someone not committed to their craft.
Ill add in. Check out Josh Rosen’s Play Action Pass. Its at darn near Peyton Manning level of perfect already. Compare his play action to the rest of his peers.
You develop the play action with some serious dedication.
two step -- you need to read the article -- Pennington says that Rosen exhibits technical perfection -- he also says that technical perfection will only get you so far in the NFL
Some may disagree with this, but the player Rosen reminds me of is Otto Graham, in that they both could throw great deep balls and they both could lead their receivers extremely well.
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Everyone is always bringing up the fact that Sam Darnold is only 20 years old. Has anyone even mentioned that Josh Rosen is only 3 months older than Darnold?
Because Josh Rosen is held to different standards then everyone else.
Rosen has 2 concussions. Mayfield has 2 concussions. (3 if you honestly look at his arrest video) No mention ever of Mayfield concussions.
Rosen had a AC Joint Spain soft tissue injury in his shoulder. Allen had an AC Joint Sprain soft tissue injury in his shoulder this Nov-Dec of this season. No mention of Allen’s injury ever. Or that he took longer than expected to recover.
Rosen has “off the field issues” consisting of anonymous quotes of teammates not liking him, he “challenges” coaches by asking why, he once had a hot tub in his dorm room and he wore anti-Trump gear. Mayfield has a litany of issues consisting of drilling opponents in head in warmups, crotch pointing on the field, a feud with an opposssing HC and an arrest that was caught on video of him attempting to resist arrest and flee. No mention of Mayfields concerns mostly, including in this article.
Rosen has a “thin frame”. This despite being bigger than Darnold and not having any “frame” injuries like broken bones. Allen has had 2 “frame” injuries with broken collarbones that ended 2 seasons of is (HS & college) and he has a steel plate with 7 screws in his body. It is never mentioned that Darnold is smaller than him and Allen has had repeated frame injuries.
We also never hear mention of Josh Rosen leading the 2nd greatest comeback in NCAA history.
there is also rarely a mention of the fact that Rosen personally fundraiser $1500 each for his HS teammates to afford a trip to Hawaii so all teammates can attend. This was of his own initiative. Yeah, man this guy sounds like a terrible leader.
So Rosen is just simple held to a different standard.
Post of the Year.
JRs my guy if he’s available at the 2. And the only question I have about JR is how long he’ll want to get his he’ll rung in the NFL, especially with physician dad reminding him about CTE. Hey, no one’s can’t miss. But JR seems like the most likely can’t miss QB in this draft.
He's a cleaner Big Ben. I like my QB to be a Hoss. Kerry Collins was a hoss. Eli's a hoss. Allen's a hoss. A big, burly mofo who's played under center, in the cold & wind, but needs a year or 2 to develop behind Eli? It's perfect.
The Giants passed on Big Ben once, although they were set to draft him if they couldn't get Eli. Will be interesting to see if they pass on him "again".
All said - I still think it's Barkley. They like Webb, and they should. That week long period before the draft, where Webb will take the 1st team reps, might be the most significant insignificant event ever.
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Everyone is always bringing up the fact that Sam Darnold is only 20 years old. Has anyone even mentioned that Josh Rosen is only 3 months older than Darnold?
Because Josh Rosen is held to different standards then everyone else.
Rosen has 2 concussions. Mayfield has 2 concussions. (3 if you honestly look at his arrest video) No mention ever of Mayfield concussions.
Rosen had a AC Joint Spain soft tissue injury in his shoulder. Allen had an AC Joint Sprain soft tissue injury in his shoulder this Nov-Dec of this season. No mention of Allen’s injury ever. Or that he took longer than expected to recover.
Rosen has “off the field issues” consisting of anonymous quotes of teammates not liking him, he “challenges” coaches by asking why, he once had a hot tub in his dorm room and he wore anti-Trump gear. Mayfield has a litany of issues consisting of drilling opponents in head in warmups, crotch pointing on the field, a feud with an opposssing HC and an arrest that was caught on video of him attempting to resist arrest and flee. No mention of Mayfields concerns mostly, including in this article.
Rosen has a “thin frame”. This despite being bigger than Darnold and not having any “frame” injuries like broken bones. Allen has had 2 “frame” injuries with broken collarbones that ended 2 seasons of is (HS & college) and he has a steel plate with 7 screws in his body. It is never mentioned that Darnold is smaller than him and Allen has had repeated frame injuries.
We also never hear mention of Josh Rosen leading the 2nd greatest comeback in NCAA history.
there is also rarely a mention of the fact that Rosen personally fundraiser $1500 each for his HS teammates to afford a trip to Hawaii so all teammates can attend. This was of his own initiative. Yeah, man this guy sounds like a terrible leader.
So Rosen is just simple held to a different standard.
Allen's injury history is not important because his accuracy issues by themselves are preclusive. The same is true for Mayfield, except his off the field antics are why the Giants shouldn't draft him. If Rosen had either or both of those problems, then his concussion history would also be irrelevant. But he doesn't.
Rosen in fact has gorgeous mechanics, is nimble in the pocket, and reads defenses well. He's also a classic drop back QB, not a runner, OL play in the NFL has declined dramatically because of spread offenses in college, and his father is a surgeon. That makes his concussion history extremely relevant. I don't care about his comments, although the Giants might, especially given the position he plays, and after the chaos of last year.
Darnold doesn't have any injury history or character concerns, but his mechanics are bad. He has a loopy throwing motion, frequently steps before he throws, and bounces in the pocket, which gives him a bad throwing platform. He is also quite prone to fumbling.
For all these reasons, I don't want any of the QBs at #2, although Darnold is the least objectionable. My decision also has nothing to do with Webb.
We forget with Eli but there was a media circus at his first practices. They analyzed every throw. Every game. For years. Eli was the target on constant criticism
It cracked McAdoo like an egg.
We have no idea how Darnold handles this. His say nothing attitude gives us no clue about he will hamdle the media pressure. IMO opinion its mostly been a media love fest with Darnold. His decision to nit throw at Combine was given a pass. His Pro Day was overhyped because of rain. That 2nd Pro Day flight to throw for his teammmate was treated like an act of Mother Theresa.
I think Rosen hss been under constant personal attack. They have been going after him personally. His family. His decisions from years ago. Everything but he plays on field.
Thats NY. Hes prepared.
Looks to me like the top four QBs in this class are about even, everything considered, and drafting one is like standing before the Chobani display case.
Pick the flavors you like the most.
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Rosen has textbook perfect footwork & mechanics
You arent born with that. You have to work for that
Rosen learned his playbook in 3 days.
These are not the achievements of someone not committed to their craft.
Ill add in. Check out Josh Rosen’s Play Action Pass. Its at darn near Peyton Manning level of perfect already. Compare his play action to the rest of his peers.
You develop the play action with some serious dedication.
two step -- you need to read the article -- Pennington says that Rosen exhibits technical perfection -- he also says that technical perfection will only get you so far in the NFL
But that is a hell of a starting point.
Of course Lawrence is a freshman, but still
The pundits see Eli as nearing the end. Why? Would Brady have succeeded with the offensive philosophy of McAdoo over the past three years? Would Brady have succeeded without a running game and less than 3 seconds to get rid of the ball? Would Brady have persevered with a decimated receiving corp bereft of his most talented WR (OBJ) and led by a rookie TE replete with growing pains(Engram)?
The answer by the pundits would have promulgated that Brady was near the end at age 40.
With Barkely, a coach who has brought a journeyman QB back from the QB desert (Shurmur with Keenum), and an improved offensive line, expect Eli to be resurrected.
Don't believe me; believe what Shurmur, Gettleman and Mara believe. That's why they spent $62 Million to sign a 30 year old OLT (not to draft a QB to best utilize Solder's skills when he turns 32 or older)!!!!