NFT: Brewers VS Mets Game 2. STREAAAAK!!!!

to shreds....sorry, that's my gut.

hopefully i'm wrong.

To be honest, but hey... if he pitches a good game tonight the rotation will basically be solidified going forward. I'm rooting for him.

we might keep winning through the Nats series. I see Thor taking the finale tomorrow and I like how we match up with the Nats with deGrom, Wheeler, and Matz going. One game at a time though!

if wheeler outpitches harvey. What do you think happens?

In comment 13914272 CMicks3110 said:

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if wheeler outpitches harvey. What do you think happens?

I think if Wheeler keeps pitching lights out and Harvey continues to be up and down they will send Vargas to the bullpen. A mediocre Harvey as the 5th SP still likely has more upside than Vargas as the year goes on but we'll see.

But what a season thus far for you guys. I hope they stay healthy and win the division. I've never liked the Nats. So far, this season resembles '86 with the Mets, BoSox,'Stros, and Angels all beasting. Hopefully for y'all it has the same ending.

when we won the 11 in a row early in 2015 it just propelled us forward the whole year.

95 mph. I like seeing that.

HOVVEY!

In comment 13914313 ZGiants98 said:

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95 mph. I like seeing that.

That�s key. I�d love to see Harvey become the old Harvey. It�s easy to forget how good he was. He and Jose Fernandez were the best two righties n baaball

offspeed stuff.

In the last couple of hours and Harvey has to deal with shitty conditions again.

Seems like the shoulder

That looked like a foul ball. Wind blew it back in. lol.

Oh well not a good start.

He just can�t sustain velocity. Sad.

With a tight strikezone. Ugh.

out on the replay.

Harvey is shot

In comment 13914354 CMicks3110 said:

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Harvey is shot

This is the worst he's looked yet.

bunt.

this guy was special and now he is just shot. Baseball is littered with guys like this though.

that he'll never get that colossal pay day before injury.

I wonder how many more starts Mets give him

In comment 13914362 Vanzetti said:

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I wonder how many more starts Mets give him

Im guessing April. Then Vargas possibly replaces him. Sad.

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that he'll never get that colossal pay day before injury.

Especially since the injury came after he threw 210 innings coming off TJ. Gotta think that played a role

that can't throw for shit

Are not related.

In comment 13914378 bhill410 said:

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Are not related.

They are different injuries but its still the same arm. He threw more innings then recommended and immediately came into the following season with a loss of sensation in his arm in spring training.

They probably are related.

Having tangentially talked to a couple of my ortho surgeon buddies about it they did not think there was much likelihood it was related

In comment 13914387 bhill410 said:

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Having tangentially talked to a couple of my ortho surgeon buddies about it they did not think there was much likelihood it was related

Again. I am not saying they are directly related. But if you push and tax your arm long enough past the recommended amount and immediately show up the following season with numbness in your arm it likely had something to do with his pitching. I doubt it happened in the offseason playing blackjack.

Obviously, we'll never know for sure.

is the best

In comment 13914361 Canton said:

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that he'll never get that colossal pay day before injury.

Harvey was a prick about his �payday� before he even graduated high school. I�m sure you are dead on with this statement. It sucks that it turned out this way for Harvey but it�s hard to feel bad for the guy.

Can live very long on only clutch hits.

In comment 13914395 PhiPsi125 said:

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Can live very long on only clutch hits.

Anderson just got the hook lol, I feel this Brewers bullpen can get worked on

Fortunately for him, the temperature went up 20 degrees every time he took the mound so he didn�t have to deal with the same shitty conditions as Harvey did.

Nobody is making excuses for him.

one of the best pitchers in the NL. This game looked lopsided on the calendar all week IMO.

fast and furious

when you look at Sewald pitch vs what Harvey was throwing.

Sewald was another mult inning guy. Great debut, guy deserves a win

In comment 13914405 ZGiants98 said:

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Nobody is making excuses for him.

I�m just joking around but when you say at the beginning of the game that he has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse.

Harvey isn�t a good pitcher, unfortunately. Lord knows I�d love him to be one. But the occasional quality start won�t make him a good pitcher. Hopefully Mickey can see this and keeps his leash short.

One inning at a time.

I mean, he had a nice year last season but the three years prior to that were thoroughly mediocre. Does one good season (out of four) make you one of the best pitchers in the league?

But he's only 30 and if you are throwing 150 pitches that's a big enough sample to be the most relevant. Pitchers learn new pitches, change things, so Im not sure what he did years ago is particularly relevant.

His biggest issue is not being able to deep into a season. He's been stuck at around 150 innings which isnt good.

Signal that he's a superstitious manager? (aren't they all) Hansel with two reliever wins already, guns coming up and a "Ya gotta believe" attitude?

They pull this one out...

It sucks. I think it affects the pitchers and hitters.

In comment 13914422 Gmanfandan said:

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Signal that he's a superstitious manager? (aren't they all) Hansel with two reliever wins already, guns coming up and a "Ya gotta believe" attitude? They pull this one out...

Oops

I dont care how good he looks, I want him gone when Swarzak is ready.

In comment 13914420 ZGiants98 said:

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But he's only 30 and if you are throwing 150 pitches that's a big enough sample to be the most relevant. Pitchers learn new pitches, change things, so Im not sure what he did years ago is particularly relevant. His biggest issue is not being able to deep into a season. He's been stuck at around 150 innings which isnt good.

You don�t think that a pitchers almost entire body of work is relevant? Yes, pitchers learn new pitches to throw but it�s also not common to have it just �click� at 30 years old. Admittedly, I didn�t see him pitch much because I only caught the end of his night. Just thought it was interesting...never knew much about Anderson.

Oh well...can�t win them all.

I really dont like this Brewers team. Lets win the damn series with Thor on the mound tomorrow.

In comment 13914424 ZGiants98 said:

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It sucks. I think it affects the pitchers and hitters.

This weather blows. It shouldve been in the 60s at night

40s at night for the 3 games at home next week. In fact it may even get into the 30s Monday night as the night goes on. Way below average at this point.

Harvey's velocity may improve as it warms up but it won't change enough to stop him from needing to evolve as a pitcher. The bigger impact of the cold weather is probably more in that he needs to start getting a feel for other pitches to see how he can get other teams out consistently without the upper 90's heat. I'm still pretty optimistic because he has enough velocity if he can start figuring out a few other pitches.

Robles is who we thought he is. Sewald looked pretty good. Offense has cooled off. I'm already sick of Lobaton so hopefully Nido can catch lightning in a bottle for a week.

for everyone. But it didn�t seem to affect the other team. And it wasn�t shitty either. It was a little chilly. Shouldn�t be a factor.

And can the media please stop calling Harvey the Dark Knight? It�s just embarrassing.

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for everyone. But it didn�t seem to affect the other team. And it wasn�t shitty either. It was a little chilly. Shouldn�t be a factor. And can the media please stop calling Harvey the Dark Knight? It�s just embarrassing.

It sucks for everyone, but any variable is harder for someone who is actively changing their game. Harvey coming back is like Tiger coming back after all his injuries. It's gonna take time.

In comment 13914450 Eric on Li said:

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Harvey's velocity may improve as it warms up but it won't change enough to stop him from needing to evolve as a pitcher. The bigger impact of the cold weather is probably more in that he needs to start getting a feel for other pitches to see how he can get other teams out consistently without the upper 90's heat. I'm still pretty optimistic because he has enough velocity if he can start figuring out a few other pitches. Robles is who we thought he is. Sewald looked pretty good. Offense has cooled off. I'm already sick of Lobaton so hopefully Nido can catch lightning in a bottle for a week.

definitely more Nido and less Lobaton

I wonder if it will only affect the Mets players again.

Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasn�t effected wins and losses. It still sucks. It�s a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. It�s harder to hit in. If that�s what you like watching great! I wouldn�t like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing.

but RisingApple is saying"

"According to the latest New York Mets trade rumors, the Tampa Bay Rays may be willing to help them with their catching issues. Is a deal for Wilson Ramos coming in the future?"
https://risingapple.com/2018/04/15/mets-rumors-rays-wilson-ramos/ - ( New Window )

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Michael Mayer ‏ @mikemayerMMO Anthony Kay, Mets first Rder from 2016, had a good night (even better then final line indicates) in his second pro start for Columbia: 6 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, BB, 5 K, 89 pitches/58 strikes The lefty topped out at 96 mph and two runners he left scored off reliever. 8:09 PM - 14 Apr 2018 from Maine, USA

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Michael Mayer ‏ @mikemayerMMO 1m1 minute ago Michael Mayer Retweeted Michael Mayer Mets fans should start getting excited about him. Fastball was good last night, also spun a few good curveballs and sliders. If he stays healthy he could move fast.

It makes the most sense. He likely doesn't cost a ton. An added benefit would be he knows the Nats pitchers and might like getting back in the division.

and routinely in the mid 90s I would have been a lot more excited about the pick. He's a legitimate prospect now in the system IMO.

are the Wilpons willing to take that on?

In comment 13914713 ZGiants98 said:

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Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasn�t effected wins and losses. It still sucks. It�s a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. It�s harder to hit in. If that�s what you like watching great! I wouldn�t like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing.

Again, when you the make the statement that YOUR pitcher has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse. And the conditions weren�t shitty in the least bit. It was 55 degrees on an otherwise beautiful night. Get over it. I�m tired of hearing about the weather. If I was 70 degrees I�m willing to bet Harvey would have been just as shitty and the bats would have been just as cold.

Both teams don�t make mistakes. Bother pitchers do not struggle. Both teams do not make careless errors. Just call it was it is...a shitty game by the Mets. It�s gonna happen plenty so let�s just quit it with the weather stuff.

In comment 13914723 CMicks3110 said:

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are the Wilpons willing to take that on?

I dont see why not. But assuming we have a buffer of about 10-15 million do you want to blow that all now? Do you want to wait until the deadline and see what other needs we might have? Just because you have the 10 million doesn't mean you shouldn't still be prudent. Maybe the Rays would eat some if we gave up an interesting prospect? I don't know the right answer there. Ramos would be a nice add but I still might be trying to add Realmuto at the deadline if he's in play because he could be our catcher for multiple seasons. We also might have other injuries by July 31st we have to address.

In comment 13914727 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13914713 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasn�t effected wins and losses. It still sucks. It�s a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. It�s harder to hit in. If that�s what you like watching great! I wouldn�t like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing. Again, when you the make the statement that YOUR pitcher has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse. And the conditions weren�t shitty in the least bit. It was 55 degrees on an otherwise beautiful night. Get over it. I�m tired of hearing about the weather. If I was 70 degrees I�m willing to bet Harvey would have been just as shitty and the bats would have been just as cold. Both teams don�t make mistakes. Bother pitchers do not struggle. Both teams do not make careless errors. Just call it was it is...a shitty game by the Mets. It�s gonna happen plenty so let�s just quit it with the weather stuff.

It was 40 degrees last night and windy. And I dont know who you keep trying to call out but I said Harvey looked like crap many times regardless of the weather. Nobody was making excuses for him here over the weather. It does suck that players coming back from serious injuries have to add another element to the mix but we have the best record in baseball. Who the hell needs to defend anything with excuses?

I think he's garbage at this point. I know in theory it hurts our depth, but what good is bad depth? Oswalt or Flexen could probably produce the same 5 era harvey could.

They�ll offer to help us lol.
Ramos is better than what�s here, but by how much?
Is he worth 1/$10mm if he was a free agent? Absolutely not.
Then throw in even a C level minor leaguer?

Here�s the true question, and there is no right or wrong answer. Is Ramos better for the next three weeks worth the offset of not having an extra $10mm available in the budget come late July? That�s the true pros and cons that need to be weighed.

He�s a bum of a pitcher..And throws out that comment , �we needed a shut out tonight,� Making sure he reminded everyone, that the Mets only scored one run. Arrogant prick

they shed 4 million in salary, and they have the chance to flip Harvey down the line for more if he turns it around. Starting Pitching is more valuable at Trade Deadline than catchers, unless there is another major injury to a contender at that position.

Ty kelly still hot for tax season
Dom with some good Abs
Alonso looking good

Tiberi still hitting, Brodey warming up
Fermin, for a guy who can�t hit and is slow, got his 4th three bagger already lol

Most important on the night, Kay looked phenomenal. Won�t stay here for long, but really good to see the success for the kid.

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I think he's garbage at this point. I know in theory it hurts our depth, but what good is bad depth? Oswalt or Flexen could probably produce the same 5 era harvey could.

Why on earth would the Rays want Harvey? He's on an expiring deal and makes almost the same in salary. They would never do that.

In comment 13914738 Shecky said:

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They�ll offer to help us lol. Ramos is better than what�s here, but by how much? Is he worth 1/$10mm if he was a free agent? Absolutely not. Then throw in even a C level minor leaguer? Here�s the true question, and there is no right or wrong answer. Is Ramos better for the next three weeks worth the offset of not having an extra $10mm available in the budget come late July? That�s the true pros and cons that need to be weighed.

Yeah I basically said the same thing.

you also have to factor in what you actually think of Plawecki as a starting catcher. The guy has a .219 career average and a .614 OPS, plus is a very average defensive catcher. Ramos has a .736 career OPS and has had years in the .800s. Plus he's a better defensive catcher. So you're not making a comparison just for the next few weeks, but the season - Do they really consider Plawecki a ML starting catcher. I don't. In terms of down the line flexibility. I don't know, it's a good point. But we should get out ahead of the game as much as we can now, and maybe we build more revenue through winning giving us more flexibilty anyway.

In comment 13914734 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13914727 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 13914713 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasn�t effected wins and losses. It still sucks. It�s a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. It�s harder to hit in. If that�s what you like watching great! I wouldn�t like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing. Again, when you the make the statement that YOUR pitcher has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse. And the conditions weren�t shitty in the least bit. It was 55 degrees on an otherwise beautiful night. Get over it. I�m tired of hearing about the weather. If I was 70 degrees I�m willing to bet Harvey would have been just as shitty and the bats would have been just as cold. Both teams don�t make mistakes. Bother pitchers do not struggle. Both teams do not make careless errors. Just call it was it is...a shitty game by the Mets. It�s gonna happen plenty so let�s just quit it with the weather stuff. It was 40 degrees last night and windy. And I dont know who you keep trying to call out but I said Harvey looked like crap many times regardless of the weather. Nobody was making excuses for him here over the weather. It does suck that players coming back from serious injuries have to add another element to the mix but we have the best record in baseball. Who the hell needs to defend anything with excuses?

Actually it was 55 degrees at game time last night with a little breeze. And you mentioned the weather excuse (and of course the right strikezone excuse) well before any Harvey complaining began. Either way, not worth getting into a huge back and forth over. He is what he is. And I can�t wait until he�s gone. Hopefully to a team we play so that we can tee off him also lol.

THIS was my reasononing

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Ffrom the Rays perspetive CMicks3110 : 11:57 am : link : reply they shed 4 million in salary, and they have the chance to flip Harvey down the line for more if he turns it around. Starting Pitching is more valuable at Trade Deadline than catchers, unless there is another major injury to a contender at that position.

In comment 13914739 Rflairr said:

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He�s a bum of a pitcher..And throws out that comment , �we needed a shut out tonight,� Making sure he reminded everyone, that the Mets only scored one run. Arrogant prick

Yup, never his fault.

In comment 13914752 CMicks3110 said:

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THIS was my reasononing Quote: Ffrom the Rays perspetive CMicks3110 : 11:57 am : link : reply they shed 4 million in salary, and they have the chance to flip Harvey down the line for more if he turns it around. Starting Pitching is more valuable at Trade Deadline than catchers, unless there is another major injury to a contender at that position.

Gotcha. Didnt see that. If they want Harvey for Ramos they can have him. I just find that extremely unrealistic.

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you also have to factor in what you actually think of Plawecki as a starting catcher. The guy has a .219 career average and a .614 OPS, plus is a very average defensive catcher. Ramos has a .736 career OPS and has had years in the .800s. Plus he's a better defensive catcher. So you're not making a comparison just for the next few weeks, but the season - Do they really consider Plawecki a ML starting catcher. I don't. In terms of down the line flexibility. I don't know, it's a good point. But we should get out ahead of the game as much as we can now, and maybe we build more revenue through winning giving us more flexibilty anyway.

You DO realize who you�re asking those questions to, right?

not sure i follow?

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not sure i follow?

Shecky wouldn't trade Plawecki straight up for Posey.

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In comment 13914759 CMicks3110 said: Quote: not sure i follow? Shecky wouldn't trade Plawecki straight up for Posey.

I�d consider Trout.
But only if the Angels ate the contract

In comment 13914778 Shecky said:

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In comment 13914760 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 13914759 CMicks3110 said: Quote: not sure i follow? Shecky wouldn't trade Plawecki straight up for Posey. I�d consider Trout. But only if the Angels ate the contract

Perfectly reasonable request. Maybe throw in Kevin Maitan as well.