When I say second tier - likely to be drafted in the 2nd round & after. QB’s that are likely all to be first round players imo:
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Mayfield
Jackson
I believe there will be a team to trade up and grab Jackson, or he may go at 15 to Arizona.
Let’s say NYG has a strong conviction on Barkley - if they like him as much as people speculate, they should take him at 2. No need to get cute trading down and HOPING he’s there. If Barkley & Chubb are equally graded, you could trade down to 5 - but trading requires 2 partners and people assume teams like Denver want to move up. So, let’s say the draft Barkley.
Next tier QB’s
Mason Rudolph
Luke Falk
Kyle Lauletta
It’s possible NYG has close grades on any of these players and could take them with the 2nd or 3rd pick *IF* the value is there. Likely it would be the second round or a trade up to ensure they get the guy. I don’t view this as Webb or bust, perhaps this could be a Lauletta vs Webb competition while solidifying the offensive line with a strong running game.
But more selfishly, I don't want them to take a QB in the second and then announce at the press conference afterwards that he was the top QB on their board all along and they had a top 15 grade on him. You know it's coming and you know it's nonsense.
Interested if anyone else things the Giants are likely to go that route and why it makes sense. I admit competition at positions is always a great thing to have, but at QB that doesn't seem as desirable.
Given the value of the quarterback position it seems seems simple, take a quarterback with first pick not in round 2 or 3.
Just my opinion
I would do what it takes to get Darnold personally, but I’ve read NYG likes Rudolph & Lauletta.
If a guy like Rudolph or Lauletta falls to the late second or third round, I could see the Giants selecting either to compete with Webb over the next two years since we would likely have multiple second and third round picks... But I agree that this is a facet of the continuing development process of possible Eli successors, not the backdoor anointing of our future savior...
Lauletta's arm is pretty weak, rather then waste a 2nd round pick on a guy who probably won't amount to anything in Giants Blue, i'd rather draft one of the many interior Olineman that have a chance to be future pro bowlers at that pick
If we stupidly pass on a QB at #2 by wasting a pick on Barkley or Nelson, the two QBs I find most interesting in later rounds are Tanner Lee and Mike White. Lee threw the ball very well at the Combine. A very live arm and good athlete. Not sure he got the best coaching at Nebraska, so I’m a bit more foregiving with his modest production. All of us know Mike White and his appealing pocket skills.
If we stupidly pass on a QB at #2 by wasting a pick on Barkley or Nelson, the two QBs I find most interesting in later rounds are Tanner Lee and Mike White. Lee threw the ball very well at the Combine. A very live arm and good athlete. Not sure he got the best coaching at Nebraska, so I’m a bit more foregiving with his modest production. All of us know Mike White and his appealing pocket skills.
Mike White is very similar to Webb IMO.
Lauletta is the guy. Tremendous leadership qualities and is supposedly like another coach on the field. Can quickly digest a game plan and lead it as if it was his own. MVP of the Senior Bowl. Washington rumored to be interested at potentially pick 44.
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should draft a QB every year. Even if it’s a flyer using a 7th round compensatory pick. You can never have enough quality QBs on the roster. They are the team’s greatest assets. And we all know a quality QB can pop up anywhere in the draft because it’s the position requiring the more art than science to evaluate.
If we stupidly pass on a QB at #2 by wasting a pick on Barkley or Nelson, the two QBs I find most interesting in later rounds are Tanner Lee and Mike White. Lee threw the ball very well at the Combine. A very live arm and good athlete. Not sure he got the best coaching at Nebraska, so I’m a bit more foregiving with his modest production. All of us know Mike White and his appealing pocket skills.
Mike White is very similar to Webb IMO.
Like White too but not as much as Kyle.
No intererst in Lauletta. Not enough arm strength. He's being overvalued like Peterman was last year.
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NYG doing some hard scouting on Lauletta
Lauletta is the guy. Tremendous leadership qualities and is supposedly like another coach on the field. Can quickly digest a game plan and lead it as if it was his own. MVP of the Senior Bowl. Washington rumored to be interested at potentially pick 44.
He won't be able to throw in Metlife, his arm strength is worse then Chad Pennington's after surgery
Once again, though, they aren't passing on a franchise QB. If they pass, they don't think there is a franchise QB to be had at the pick.
Taking a QB in round 2 is not automatically a wasted pick. there are various scenarios in play. One is that Webb was a bad pick and then need a new backup QB. Another is that they think Webb is starting material and need a new backup (in this scenario, it wouldn't be great use of a second round pick at this time, with so many other needs and the likelihood that Webb is the backup for at least another year). Or they see the 2nd round QB as starting material.
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NYG doing some hard scouting on Lauletta
Lauletta is the guy. Tremendous leadership qualities and is supposedly like another coach on the field. Can quickly digest a game plan and lead it as if it was his own. MVP of the Senior Bowl. Washington rumored to be interested at potentially pick 44.
He won't be able to throw in Metlife, his arm strength is worse then Chad Pennington's after surgery
He threw 52mph both to the right and the left. 3mph better than Deshaun Watson. 52 isnt great but it isnt horrible and in a WCO it is not as reliant on the deep ball.
If you draft, for instance, a DT of LB or O-Lineman or DB in the 3rd or 4th round, because there are multiple of those guys on the field at the same time and/or backups playing in different packages or on special teams, there is a greater chance that those position players will contribute every game, either as a starter or as a rotating player.
Apart from Jeff Hostetler's run to the Super Bowl, the Giants' best non-first round QB in my memory was probably Kent Graham (not saying a lot), who was an 8th round pick--aside from Kurt Warner who was a free agent pick up by the Giants.
The kid has the goods.
The kid has the goods.
So you think Webb beats out a QB the Giants take with the 2nd overall pick?
He played primarily in a spread, but I don't think he would have a problem moving under center. There are YouTube vids of his entire game v. Miami, where Toledo was terribly outmanned, but he was terrific. Led Toledo to 35 points against a very good defense.