My Final Top-5 Position Rankings And Ideal Mock Draft

A typical Reese draft. Pass.

the rest is crap. Need Interior OL big need for the Giants.

In comment 13915293 WillVAB said:

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A typical Reese draft. Pass.

No idea what this means. Care to explain?

Need a premium investment made in it.

selected by end of round three...

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In comment 13915293 WillVAB said: Quote: A typical Reese draft. Pass. No idea what this means. Care to explain?

Premium picks on skill guys, mid to late round fliers on lineman.

People can debate all day what the Giants do at 2, but the rest of the draft is gonna be OL/DL heavy.

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In comment 13915293 WillVAB said: Quote: A typical Reese draft. Pass. No idea what this means. Care to explain?

All secondary players and late round pass rushers and a wasted pick on a WR we don't need...

How did you develop your lists?
What is the basis for your preferences?

Are your preferences based upon the Giants scheming or is it general preferences ?

You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him.


Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside.

In comment 13915316 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 13915303 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13915293 WillVAB said: Quote: A typical Reese draft. Pass. No idea what this means. Care to explain? All secondary players and late round pass rushers and a wasted pick on a WR we don't need...

What lends you to believe that WR isn't a need on this roster? It can't be all the chances the depth had to show their worth in 2017.

In comment 13915321 Archer said:

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How did you develop your lists? What is the basis for your preferences? Are your preferences based upon the Giants scheming or is it general preferences ?

Good question. It was mostly the latter, but after the college football season, I turned more towards the former. The reason being is that my watching and studying of the prospects went back to the college football season, when McAdoo and Spagnuolo were still at the helm. Therefore, I paid much less attention to the EDGE guys like Landry and Key, and more attention to the 3-Techs like Taven Bryant and Mo Hurst. I had no idea that the Giants were going to hire a DC, who would implement a hybrid 3-4 scheme.

After the hire of Bettcher, I learned about the scheme he ran in Arizona, and particularly how he used guys like Chandler Jones, Honey Badger and Budda Baker. But the main thing was that I simply evaluated the players based on their individual performances, and also based on their strengths and the potential that I saw.

In comment 13915322 Anakim said:

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You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him. Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside.

You didn’t even include interior lineman so your premise is flawed.

offensive tackles. Not a single one has convinced even the usual pros that they're potential left tackles. Even Connor Williams is said to maybe be a guard at this level.

Hernandez or Daniels in round 2. Round 3 I'm looking for Edge and CB.

First round is either QB or RB.

In comment 13915326 WillVAB said:

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In comment 13915322 Anakim said: Quote: You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him. Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside. You didn’t even include interior lineman so your premise is flawed.

Because I don't/can't watch interior linemen...

In comment 13915348 Anakim said:

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In comment 13915326 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 13915322 Anakim said: Quote: You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him. Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside. You didn’t even include interior lineman so your premise is flawed. Because I don't/can't watch interior linemen...

Then don’t claim it’s a BPA draft when you don’t even know about multiple position groups.

In comment 13915354 WillVAB said:

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In comment 13915348 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13915326 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 13915322 Anakim said: Quote: You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him. Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside. You didn’t even include interior lineman so your premise is flawed. Because I don't/can't watch interior linemen... Then don’t claim it’s a BPA draft when you don’t even know about multiple position groups.

Obviously it's not a BPA draft...they're guestimations based on the range of where they're EXPECTED to go to. Better players could be available, as many players will slide. That's why I don't like to do mocks, but like Mayock, I'll do one and one only.

In comment 13915322 Anakim said:

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You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him. Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside.

That's why you the other poster referred to you as Reese. You can't even be bothered to think about the 3rd rd OL. And you blindly go with BPA and completely ignore positional value.

Are you even concerned that more than likely your #B draft pick will probably not be good enough to start? DOn't you understand? That's how Reese used his draft picks on the O-Line.

And now that you've ensured that the OLine is going to stink - someohow Barkley will make it all better as Eli continues to decline?

this an interesting take, based on BPA. We come out of this with Barkley, and a load of skill players. If the Giants were contenders, and looking to refine a few positions on the team, I would be happy with this draft.

Problem is, NYG are semi-rebuilding non-contenders, with deep needs along the OL. This draft also kicks the can down the road for a future QB. Because of these reasons I have to pass.

That's the disconnect. The giants don't view themselves as rebuilding at all

1. Denver is not giving up 3 #1s and a 2 to move up three spots.

3. Your QB ratings certainly aren't, shall we say, mainstream thinking. Mayfield is not the #1 rated QB, and no one not related to Lamar Jackson (with his noodle arm and questionable accuracy) has him rated higher than Rosen and Allen.

My point 3 is supposed to be point 2.

Giants aren't getting a bunch of picks, moving down, and getting Barkley.

in a drunken stupor envision Mayfield at #1 QB, but Jackson ahead of Rosen and Allen????? Mayfield at least has the highest completion percentage, is accurate on the move, makes all his reads as protection permits and is not looking to run at the drop of a hat. He is virtually the exact opposite of Jackson, who with a team like Seattle, KC or maybe New Orleans might do well.

the most important position (QB) is smart when there is a desperate need and very good supply (rare opportunity to take a blue chip guy)

at people creating their own draft boards and rankings.

Especially if they ever utter the line "I took him off my draft board".

There's a reason guys like Sy exist - because they have the skill to understand what to look for in prospects.

I’m reading that there are more than a few “experts” who believe Mayfield to be or will prove to be, the best of the lot.

In comment 13915495 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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at people creating their own draft boards and rankings. Especially if they ever utter the line "I took him off my draft board". There's a reason guys like Sy exist - because they have the skill to understand what to look for in prospects.

You are 100% correct, but this is a football fan site where people get to express opinions on anything football and beyond. None of us are Bill Bellicek, Parcells or Polian. But debating this stuff is fun/informative.

it’s easy for everyone to chime in and criticize, but I enjoy how some folks here put time and thought into coming up with their draft rankings.

In defense of Anakim re: interior lineman...claiming we have to take a premium interior OL in round 2 operates under the assumption there will be premium guys available.

I have a feeling that since this draft is short on some other positions commonly drafted in round 1 (WR, edge rusher), there may be a run on the guys like Hernandez, Price, Daniels, Wynn, Smith in the latter half of round 1, and it’s no lock one of said “premium” guys will be there for us.

Wonder if one of the tackles (Miller, Williams) will be there for us in Rd 2? I’m assuming McGlincheys gone

If we don’t go Barkley in Rd 1, I wouldn’t be surprised if we draft one of the RBs like Guice or Michel in Rd 2

I agree we need to build the OL through the draft...but assuming that means we have to spend premium picks (top 2 rds) on OL or bust is flawed logic. We should draft guys there only if we’re confident they will turn into solid starters pretty quickly

As others have said, this team also needs CBs and WRs

I think that there are players who the Giants will covet based upon scheme.

Despite what we hear I am not certain that either Barkley, Chubb, or Mayfield are scheme matches for the Giants.

I think that the trend is running back by committee, and not a featured back. Drafting Barkley is putting “all of your eggs in one basket”. The effective life expectancy of a running back is (4) years. I cannot see the Giants putting that much draft capital into Barkley. Also, as good as Barkley is, he is not a between the tackles move the chains type of player. He is the ultimate home run player. I am not certain that is the Giants direction. I can see the Giants drafting a speed back with 3rd down skills to work with their present running backs. (Sony Michel, Rashard Penny).

I think that the Giants would prefer a true 3/4 outside backer rather than Chubb. Chubb is better suited as a 4/3 end. Chubb is a very good player, but he has stiff hips and plays better with his hand on the ground. Someone like Landry, Davenport, or Edmunds makes more sense and would be a better 3 / 4 fit.

Gettleman has expressed his preference for "Hog Mollies". He seems to like large interior linemen, like Norwell. I see the Giants preferring players like Nelson, Hernandez, Wynn, Price, Smith, as opposed to tackles such as Williams, McGlinchey, Jones, or Crosby. Gettleman has a lot of competition at tackle on the roster, but, little in the interior.

As for a quarterback. I do believe that the Giants will draft a QB with their first pick. Gettleman, has acknowledged the importance of having the QB for the future. While many are disparaging the QBs, I think that they are missing the forest through the trees. The comparison of 4-5 quality QBs, highlights the respective strengths and weaknesses, and creates differing opinions. If there were only 2 quality QBs, there would be more of a consensus. I think that the Giants have committed to Eli for the next two years. If they were to draft a QB it would likely be someone who could run a similar offense to Eli. I do not see RPO quarterbacks as a fit. Jackson and Mayfield are scheme specific and do not have a lot of flexibility. I think that Darnold and Rosen are pocket passers who can extend plays. Allen could be a sleeper if the Giants believe his mechanics and accuracy are coachable.

Bettcher loves to apply pressure. To do this, you need good corners and safeties. The Giants need a center fielder safety with coverage skills. They need someone to complement Collins. Fitzgerald or James would be ideal selections.

Gettleman has expressed a desire to have large receivers. The only large receiver on the roster is Marshall. I do not think that Marshall will be on the roster. The Giants need to replace him. They can move Engram to the outside, but, the Giants are more likely to draft players such as Ridley, Brown, or Lazard. Players who will compete for the 50-50 balls.

In general, I think that Gettleman will be more inclined to build from the inside out. In the past the Giants have put a premium on skill players. I expect that they will draft a QB, at least two interior linemen, a safety, a WR and a 3 / 4 linebacker.

In comment 13915377 giantstock said:

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In comment 13915322 Anakim said: Quote: You don't draft positions. I put in IOL as a third rounder, but if the best player available is the BPA, you take him. Speaking purely on the OT side, it's a terrible draft. It's full of developmental guys and guys with limited upside. That's why you the other poster referred to you as Reese. You can't even be bothered to think about the 3rd rd OL. And you blindly go with BPA and completely ignore positional value. Are you even concerned that more than likely your #B draft pick will probably not be good enough to start? DOn't you understand? That's how Reese used his draft picks on the O-Line. And now that you've ensured that the OLine is going to stink - someohow Barkley will make it all better as Eli continues to decline?

If I had left out interior linemen all together, people would've bitched about me ignoring it completely. That's why I put it in there.

"Are you even concerned that more than likely your #B draft pick will probably not be good enough to start? DOn't you understand? That's how Reese used his draft picks on the O-Line."

No, because the players I picked are favorites of mine and I expect them to start sooner rather than later. Mike Hughes? Excellent prospect, who can play the nickel right away, and start on the outside if/when Eli Apple fucks up on and/or off the field.

RJ McIntosh can start right away at the 5-Tech while Josh Mauro is suspended.


"And now that you've ensured that the OLine is going to stink - someohow Barkley will make it all better as Eli continues to decline?"


Says who? We signed a starting LT and a starting OG. The O-Line does indeed have questions and we need to have proper insurance, but if you expect me, or the Giants for that matter, to reach on an Offensive Lineman, you're crazy. Maybe you'll push one up the board a bit with an eye towards need, but if there's a big gap between the next best player available and the next best O-Lineman available, it's a no-brainer.

#6/6 -- what am I missing?

He's probably this draft's closest thing to OBJ in taking a slant/short pass to the house!

In comment 13915438 Jim in Tampa said:

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1. Denver is not giving up 3 #1s and a 2 to move up three spots. 3. Your QB ratings certainly aren't, shall we say, mainstream thinking. Mayfield is not the #1 rated QB, and no one not related to Lamar Jackson (with his noodle arm and questionable accuracy) has him rated higher than Rosen and Allen.

1. That's why I said ideal

2. I understand that it's not mainstream thinking. Fact of the matter is that I wouldn't take any of the QBs with a top-5 pick. As I mentioned, the best QB in this draft IMO is Baker Mayfield, and there's no justification for taking a sub 6'1 QB from a spread offense with a top-5 pick. Yes, he's more than both of those things, but imagine (like I did) that your job was on the line and history has proven way more often than not, players with those descriptions fail rather than thrive in the NFL. If I used the second overall pick on a guy like that and he busted, I would be fired.


And Lamar Jackson is criminally underrated. His accuracy has improved every single year and I have no reason to believe that the arrow will be pointing down anytime soon. Jackson may not be a fit for the Giants, because I think Jackson is the type of QB that an OC has to build his offense around. IF Jackson gets into the right offense with the right OC who play to his strengths, and if he stays healthy and learns to fucking slide, he can be Michael Vick-esque.

Rosen is the most polished, but I think his shelf-life is a lot shorter than the others. I could easily see him being out of the league in five years, or having a Jay Cutler type of career or possibly a Sam Bradford one where he can't even stay healthy.

I understand the intrigue with Allen, but you have to take a step back a bit and look at how he played this season. Look how he played against Power-5 schools. Look at how slow he is with his progressions. Look at how he can't read defenses. Look at his lack of anticipatory throws. And yes, look at his accuracy throughout the years.

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Giants aren't getting a bunch of picks, moving down, and getting Barkley.

I said ideal

In comment 13915801 Jay in Toronto said:

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#6/6 -- what am I missing?

The first four picks all are QBs...OR, three of the first four are QBs and Bradley Chubb is #4

good post, hope others see it.

In comment 13915716 Archer said:

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I think that there are players who the Giants will covet based upon scheme. Despite what we hear I am not certain that either Barkley, Chubb, or Mayfield are scheme matches for the Giants. I think that the trend is running back by committee, and not a featured back. Drafting Barkley is putting “all of your eggs in one basket”. The effective life expectancy of a running back is (4) years. I cannot see the Giants putting that much draft capital into Barkley. Also, as good as Barkley is, he is not a between the tackles move the chains type of player. He is the ultimate home run player. I am not certain that is the Giants direction. I can see the Giants drafting a speed back with 3rd down skills to work with their present running backs. (Sony Michel, Rashard Penny). I think that the Giants would prefer a true 3/4 outside backer rather than Chubb. Chubb is better suited as a 4/3 end. Chubb is a very good player, but he has stiff hips and plays better with his hand on the ground. Someone like Landry, Davenport, or Edmunds makes more sense and would be a better 3 / 4 fit. Gettleman has expressed his preference for "Hog Mollies". He seems to like large interior linemen, like Norwell. I see the Giants preferring players like Nelson, Hernandez, Wynn, Price, Smith, as opposed to tackles such as Williams, McGlinchey, Jones, or Crosby. Gettleman has a lot of competition at tackle on the roster, but, little in the interior. As for a quarterback. I do believe that the Giants will draft a QB with their first pick. Gettleman, has acknowledged the importance of having the QB for the future. While many are disparaging the QBs, I think that they are missing the forest through the trees. The comparison of 4-5 quality QBs, highlights the respective strengths and weaknesses, and creates differing opinions. If there were only 2 quality QBs, there would be more of a consensus. I think that the Giants have committed to Eli for the next two years. If they were to draft a QB it would likely be someone who could run a similar offense to Eli. I do not see RPO quarterbacks as a fit. Jackson and Mayfield are scheme specific and do not have a lot of flexibility. I think that Darnold and Rosen are pocket passers who can extend plays. Allen could be a sleeper if the Giants believe his mechanics and accuracy are coachable. Bettcher loves to apply pressure. To do this, you need good corners and safeties. The Giants need a center fielder safety with coverage skills. They need someone to complement Collins. Fitzgerald or James would be ideal selections. Gettleman has expressed a desire to have large receivers. The only large receiver on the roster is Marshall. I do not think that Marshall will be on the roster. The Giants need to replace him. They can move Engram to the outside, but, the Giants are more likely to draft players such as Ridley, Brown, or Lazard. Players who will compete for the 50-50 balls. In general, I think that Gettleman will be more inclined to build from the inside out. In the past the Giants have put a premium on skill players. I expect that they will draft a QB, at least two interior linemen, a safety, a WR and a 3 / 4 linebacker.

Really good post.

A few thoughts:


The trend is indeed to go with a committee at RB. The thing is, Barkley is simply a different animal. He's a three-down RB for sure and brings every element to the RB position where he doesn't even need to be complemented. He can run effectively between-the-tackles, kick it outside, catch out of the backfield, block. He does everything absolutely superbly. Yes, the career expectancy of the RB position is lower than most positions, but if he can stay healthy (which he has), I don't see why Saquon can't have an extremely effective 8-12 year career.


I can see them going QB, but I personally wouldn't because I see each of them as a huge gamble and each has significant flaws that I cannot ignore. Now, admittedly, I don't really know how to evaluate QB. Never really had to before, so I've been kind of learning on the fly. Couple that with QB being the hardest position to scout and project in sports and I'll be more than willing to say that if we do take a QB on April 26th, I'll reluctantly be on board. I'll yield to a greater power and mind.


"Bettcher loves to apply pressure. To do this, you need good corners and safeties. The Giants need a center fielder safety with coverage skills. They need someone to complement Collins. Fitzgerald or James would be ideal selections."


Yes, exactly! Look at what Budda Baker and Honey Badger were in Arizona. Justin Reid fits that description of a CF with coverage skills to a tee. Actually, you can play him anywhere: CF, in the box, up at the LOS, covering TEs or covering big WRs... He's a jack of all trades. He'd be perfect for this defense.


"Gettleman has expressed a desire to have large receivers. The only large receiver on the roster is Marshall. I do not think that Marshall will be on the roster. The Giants need to replace him. They can move Engram to the outside, but, the Giants are more likely to draft players such as Ridley, Brown, or Lazard. Players who will compete for the 50-50 balls. "

Very true. I actually think they may give Marshall another year, but if they don't, I would move Engram to the outside and yes, look at some of the big bodied WRs in the draft like Lazard, Jaleel Scott, Auden Tate, Simmie Cobbs Jr. and Marcel Ateman.