Without using specifics. You have heard and read from many posters. Based on what you know today. Who or what do you think the giants do with the number 2 overall pick?
If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
WORST CASE SCENARIO.
Take Darnold or Barkley. And move on. Dont get cute.
If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
It will be a meltdown any way you look at it, QB, Barkley, Chubb. :D
someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.
On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
From his posts Eric it appears that Eric believes Barkley will be the pick.
I don't think I've commented before on who I think the pick will be. But as I posted above, my gut says Barkley or Chubb.
I'm on record as saying it would be VERY difficult to pass on one of the QBs if the Giants have them graded highly. If they think one of these guys is a true Franchise QB and they pass on him, I think they'll regret it years from now.
But if they don't have a high grade on any of them, then taking another player makes more sense. (Though ideally it would be great if they could trade down and do that).
In comment 13916143 Eric from BBI said:
[quote] In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode. [/quo
I want Barkley but would not be disappointed with Chubb, I'm just not in the QB crowd, so you can bet it will be a QB.
someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.
On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
These arent leaks. They have the 2nd pick and there are only a handful of possible options.
If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
Yeah, well I am not a fan of it, but I am starting to think based on stuff being posted that could be a realistic thing. Browns go Barkley, and we don't like any QBs, so we go Chubb. And then it will be Qb scramble that could mean other teams may trade up considering at Pick# 3 on the clock no QBs are off the board.
everyone is making assumptions and I think that the media around the league is guessing - I think in years past it was much more obvious around the league who the Giants were targeting...
From his posts Eric it appears that Eric believes Barkley will be the pick.
I don't think I've commented before on who I think the pick will be. But as I posted above, my gut says Barkley or Chubb.
I'm on record as saying it would be VERY difficult to pass on one of the QBs if the Giants have them graded highly. If they think one of these guys is a true Franchise QB and they pass on him, I think they'll regret it years from now.
But if they don't have a high grade on any of them, then taking another player makes more sense. (Though ideally it would be great if they could trade down and do that).
Eric- if we follow Colin's logic. Which he posted that if so many in league like Jets, Bills, Broncos have such high grades on these 4 that they are willing to not just take them but to trade a high premium for them; plus we know the Dolphins & Cards want to - and so many feel they are worthy of 1-5 picks.
Even the Colts must have thought enough that its worth the risk of a trade down instead of guaranteeing a Barkley, Nelson, Chubb.
Then- is it really likely that the Giants are the 1 team that doesnt have a high grade on them?
and take Allen or Barkley 1st overall. I am very high on both Darnold and Rosen but I don't think the Giants will take Rosen at 2. I think JonC is right that it will be either Darnold or Barkley. If the Browns do pass on Darnold it would be pretty upsetting if the Giants also passed on Darnold for Barkley or Chubb.
I don't want anyone who likes Darnold to take offense to this Â
But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy
If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
Eric - What is your preference? To me it's simple - Barkley or Darnold if only 1 of them are there and if both Darnold. Or a trade down.
RE: I don't want anyone who likes Darnold to take offense to this Â
But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy
There's a couple of things that stand out re: Darnold
1) His anticipation / ability to deliver the ball to the right spot
2) His durability
3) The combination of accurary / arm talent / mobility vs. any one trait is probably the best grouping while not best at any of of those areas
4) He's a year younger then these other guys and should have more room to grow
5) He wins big games
The negative on him is turnovers. And supposedly at least the fumbles is pretty correctable. With the other guys
1) Allen has never been accurate - that changing now is a long shot
2) Rosen's durability is a concern
3) Mayfield is a little under sized, comes from an offense tailor made for his game that hasn't had a ton of pro success with QBs, but he'd be right up there for me with Darnold. I'd love having him, I just think there's more upside with Darnold. I think he's a winner - I like Baker a lot. I don't know if the Giants will but I do.
Im sorry but scouts are not sacrosanct. If the vast majority of the league thinks these guys are worthy, then they are worthy. Our scouts dont like any of them?
We arent married to these scouts. They werent hired by Gettleman. Most of them are likely to be gone after the Draft anyway.
The question has never been whether or not our Scouts approve of going QB. That decision is snove their pay grade.
The question is whether or not the Giants need a QB.
If the answer to that question is yes, you take the best available one.
This is perhaps why Ernie Accorsi said this about the most important trait of of a GM-
"You have to be an evaluator of talent," Accorsi said on Giants.com's "Big Blue Kickoff Live" shortly after Gettleman's introductory news conference on Friday. "If you're not an evaluator of talent, even if you are a leader, even if you're a good delegator, even if you're a good manager, you've got to be - this is an extreme statement -- but you have to be the smartest personnel guy in the room. Because if you're not, the scouts won't respect you and the coaches won't respect you.
"And sooner or later, your success or failure is going to be determined in your team-building and your ability to pick players, pick them at the right positons when you get the opportunity and build a championship team. So that's number one and when it comes to Dave Gettleman, to me that is his number one characteristic."
The entire premise of this question has been around the highest graded player. The allows the Scouts to rule. It predisposes BPA as the rule.
QB trumps BPA
This is about team building. Accorsis quote. There is no team without a QB. This team will need a QB at minimum in 2 seasons. At worst, immediately. This draft has 4 QBs likely to be graded as high or higher than the last 4 years of QB (check Sys grades. Only 6 QBs in 4 years and the highest was Goff at 86) and the Giants have the chance to select at worst the 2nd best of them. This is a rare, rare opportunity. Teams rarely get to select from even 2 worthy QBs when they need 1.
The question is- do we need a QB?
If so we have to take one this year. If our scouts cant find one of these 4 QBs that the rest of the league seems to think worthy- you ignore them.
Dave Gettleman himself was a highly regarded scout. Shurmur is a QB guy. We do not need the Scouts to pick. The 4 guys are widely known. We dont need scouts to even identify whom to choose among. Gettleman knows scouting and the qualities he looks for. Shurmur knows his system and the qualities he looks for.
Scouts are not needed to tell them who to draft. Ignore them at the 2 pick.
Unless you are telling me the Giants dont need a QB.
And thats a different discussion.
RE: RE: I don't want anyone who likes Darnold to take offense to this Â
But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy
There's a couple of things that stand out re: Darnold
1) His anticipation / ability to deliver the ball to the right spot
2) His durability
3) The combination of accurary / arm talent / mobility vs. any one trait is probably the best grouping while not best at any of of those areas
4) He's a year younger then these other guys and should have more room to grow
5) He wins big games
The negative on him is turnovers. And supposedly at least the fumbles is pretty correctable. With the other guys
1) Allen has never been accurate - that changing now is a long shot
2) Rosen's durability is a concern
3) Mayfield is a little under sized, comes from an offense tailor made for his game that hasn't had a ton of pro success with QBs, but he'd be right up there for me with Darnold. I'd love having him, I just think there's more upside with Darnold. I think he's a winner - I like Baker a lot. I don't know if the Giants will but I do.
I have heard the Pros and Cons I just don't see it myself when I watched him. I do like that he is younger then the rest but I think Mayfield is the one to get
I think the Giants consider Webb a bird in the hand, Â
and this year's crop is a flock of birds in the bush. They're confident that one of the Big 4 (Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) will be a quarterback-for-a-decade, but they don't know which guy. So: Barkley or Chubb.
You are getting all bent out of shape over this. The teams drafting near the top of the draft are not adept at personnel evaluation. So if they have the guys YOU THINK they have rated highly, that's not a glowing endorsement.
That all said, we have no idea what they think.
My guess is your views are being influenced by draft guides/draftniks, TV and media pundits, and fan chatter.
There are many, many QBs taken in the first round who are absolute duds. None of these guys are sure bets and probably at least a couple of the first-round QB's this year will flame out.
The way I look at it, is the roster has a lot of problems, based on bad drafting and bad luck with injuries and they just need a strong dose of good football players.
The last dominant back we had was Tiki. Before that Rodney.
Let's hope that in this draft we can count on more then rd1 and rd2 to contribute.
We have 5 pretty early picks.
I think a lot of this "leak" complaining is manufactured. Â
Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.
On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
Cmon Eric... just because people are saying (speculating) that the giants will draft Barkley or Chubb doesn’t mean there are leaks! Bark and Chubb are the best best players in this draft... of course they might draft one of them!!!
Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
I have no way of checking, but when was the last time Schwartz or King nailed a Giants draft? It's like an annual tradition since the Beason draft where an article is written that links the Giants' need with a player that's projected to be available, that player get drafted before the Giants pick, and we all complain that another team picked that guy because the Giants talk too much.
Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
Eric- neither of them are citing Giants sources
Schwartz has cited in his "inside Giants draft" thinking article-
"Based on conversations, observations, machinations and educated guesswork, here are scenarios "
As a comparison- when Schwartz wrote his piece on Giants HC search down to 3 he weote "a source with knowledge of the Giants thinking"
King in his MMQB piece cited - "But those who know Gettleman believe he would not use the second pick in a draft on a flawed player"
Thats pretty vague and also applies an assumption about what Dg perceives these guys as flawed. His article is riddled with "I think" and "i believe"
So they really dont need to be lying. I dont doubt this is what they are hearing from these sources
In his Gettleman teally wants piece - " a national NFL scout"
the trade down rumor is also pretty hot....but mostly from the QB crowd of their QB was taken.
I am just happy that the pick has not been telegraphed like it usually
My gut tells me the Barkley-Chubb hype is legit, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.
If they end up taking a QB, I think they will have done a good job of hiding their intentions.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
WORST CASE SCENARIO.
Take Darnold or Barkley. And move on. Dont get cute.
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
It will be a meltdown any way you look at it, QB, Barkley, Chubb. :D
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.
On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
I don't think I've commented before on who I think the pick will be. But as I posted above, my gut says Barkley or Chubb.
I'm on record as saying it would be VERY difficult to pass on one of the QBs if the Giants have them graded highly. If they think one of these guys is a true Franchise QB and they pass on him, I think they'll regret it years from now.
But if they don't have a high grade on any of them, then taking another player makes more sense. (Though ideally it would be great if they could trade down and do that).
I find it difficult to imagine that they didn't start this process hoping to find a blue chip QB.
If they don't take a QB, then they simply didn't see a franchise QB on the board.
It's certainly possible that Barkley and Chubb are 1,2. I had anticipated they would like Darnold and/or Rosen.
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode. [/quo
I want Barkley but would not be disappointed with Chubb, I'm just not in the QB crowd, so you can bet it will be a QB.
THAts my order...haha
While Chubb has potential. I think the other 2 are special.
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someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.
On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
These arent leaks. They have the 2nd pick and there are only a handful of possible options.
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
Yeah, well I am not a fan of it, but I am starting to think based on stuff being posted that could be a realistic thing. Browns go Barkley, and we don't like any QBs, so we go Chubb. And then it will be Qb scramble that could mean other teams may trade up considering at Pick# 3 on the clock no QBs are off the board.
what kind of name is that for a clown!
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From his posts Eric it appears that Eric believes Barkley will be the pick.
I don't think I've commented before on who I think the pick will be. But as I posted above, my gut says Barkley or Chubb.
I'm on record as saying it would be VERY difficult to pass on one of the QBs if the Giants have them graded highly. If they think one of these guys is a true Franchise QB and they pass on him, I think they'll regret it years from now.
But if they don't have a high grade on any of them, then taking another player makes more sense. (Though ideally it would be great if they could trade down and do that).
Eric- if we follow Colin's logic. Which he posted that if so many in league like Jets, Bills, Broncos have such high grades on these 4 that they are willing to not just take them but to trade a high premium for them; plus we know the Dolphins & Cards want to - and so many feel they are worthy of 1-5 picks.
Even the Colts must have thought enough that its worth the risk of a trade down instead of guaranteeing a Barkley, Nelson, Chubb.
Then- is it really likely that the Giants are the 1 team that doesnt have a high grade on them?
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.
I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
Eric - What is your preference? To me it's simple - Barkley or Darnold if only 1 of them are there and if both Darnold. Or a trade down.
There's a couple of things that stand out re: Darnold
1) His anticipation / ability to deliver the ball to the right spot
2) His durability
3) The combination of accurary / arm talent / mobility vs. any one trait is probably the best grouping while not best at any of of those areas
4) He's a year younger then these other guys and should have more room to grow
5) He wins big games
The negative on him is turnovers. And supposedly at least the fumbles is pretty correctable. With the other guys
1) Allen has never been accurate - that changing now is a long shot
2) Rosen's durability is a concern
3) Mayfield is a little under sized, comes from an offense tailor made for his game that hasn't had a ton of pro success with QBs, but he'd be right up there for me with Darnold. I'd love having him, I just think there's more upside with Darnold. I think he's a winner - I like Baker a lot. I don't know if the Giants will but I do.
Im sorry but scouts are not sacrosanct. If the vast majority of the league thinks these guys are worthy, then they are worthy. Our scouts dont like any of them?
We arent married to these scouts. They werent hired by Gettleman. Most of them are likely to be gone after the Draft anyway.
The question has never been whether or not our Scouts approve of going QB. That decision is snove their pay grade.
The question is whether or not the Giants need a QB.
If the answer to that question is yes, you take the best available one.
This is perhaps why Ernie Accorsi said this about the most important trait of of a GM-
"You have to be an evaluator of talent," Accorsi said on Giants.com's "Big Blue Kickoff Live" shortly after Gettleman's introductory news conference on Friday. "If you're not an evaluator of talent, even if you are a leader, even if you're a good delegator, even if you're a good manager, you've got to be - this is an extreme statement -- but you have to be the smartest personnel guy in the room. Because if you're not, the scouts won't respect you and the coaches won't respect you.
"And sooner or later, your success or failure is going to be determined in your team-building and your ability to pick players, pick them at the right positons when you get the opportunity and build a championship team. So that's number one and when it comes to Dave Gettleman, to me that is his number one characteristic."
The entire premise of this question has been around the highest graded player. The allows the Scouts to rule. It predisposes BPA as the rule.
QB trumps BPA
This is about team building. Accorsis quote. There is no team without a QB. This team will need a QB at minimum in 2 seasons. At worst, immediately. This draft has 4 QBs likely to be graded as high or higher than the last 4 years of QB (check Sys grades. Only 6 QBs in 4 years and the highest was Goff at 86) and the Giants have the chance to select at worst the 2nd best of them. This is a rare, rare opportunity. Teams rarely get to select from even 2 worthy QBs when they need 1.
The question is- do we need a QB?
If so we have to take one this year. If our scouts cant find one of these 4 QBs that the rest of the league seems to think worthy- you ignore them.
Dave Gettleman himself was a highly regarded scout. Shurmur is a QB guy. We do not need the Scouts to pick. The 4 guys are widely known. We dont need scouts to even identify whom to choose among. Gettleman knows scouting and the qualities he looks for. Shurmur knows his system and the qualities he looks for.
Scouts are not needed to tell them who to draft. Ignore them at the 2 pick.
Unless you are telling me the Giants dont need a QB.
And thats a different discussion.
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But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy
There's a couple of things that stand out re: Darnold
1) His anticipation / ability to deliver the ball to the right spot
2) His durability
3) The combination of accurary / arm talent / mobility vs. any one trait is probably the best grouping while not best at any of of those areas
4) He's a year younger then these other guys and should have more room to grow
5) He wins big games
The negative on him is turnovers. And supposedly at least the fumbles is pretty correctable. With the other guys
1) Allen has never been accurate - that changing now is a long shot
2) Rosen's durability is a concern
3) Mayfield is a little under sized, comes from an offense tailor made for his game that hasn't had a ton of pro success with QBs, but he'd be right up there for me with Darnold. I'd love having him, I just think there's more upside with Darnold. I think he's a winner - I like Baker a lot. I don't know if the Giants will but I do.
I have heard the Pros and Cons I just don't see it myself when I watched him. I do like that he is younger then the rest but I think Mayfield is the one to get
That all said, we have no idea what they think.
My guess is your views are being influenced by draft guides/draftniks, TV and media pundits, and fan chatter.
There are many, many QBs taken in the first round who are absolute duds. None of these guys are sure bets and probably at least a couple of the first-round QB's this year will flame out.
Personally, I'm not really sure why so many people have Darnold ahead of the pack. Very interesting prospect, but clearly the best?
The way I look at it, is the roster has a lot of problems, based on bad drafting and bad luck with injuries and they just need a strong dose of good football players.
The last dominant back we had was Tiki. Before that Rodney.
Let's hope that in this draft we can count on more then rd1 and rd2 to contribute.
We have 5 pretty early picks.
I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
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someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.
On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
Cmon Eric... just because people are saying (speculating) that the giants will draft Barkley or Chubb doesn’t mean there are leaks! Bark and Chubb are the best best players in this draft... of course they might draft one of them!!!
Stopped watch...
Myth.
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Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
I have no way of checking, but when was the last time Schwartz or King nailed a Giants draft? It's like an annual tradition since the Beason draft where an article is written that links the Giants' need with a player that's projected to be available, that player get drafted before the Giants pick, and we all complain that another team picked that guy because the Giants talk too much.
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Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
Eric- neither of them are citing Giants sources
Schwartz has cited in his "inside Giants draft" thinking article-
"Based on conversations, observations, machinations and educated guesswork, here are scenarios "
As a comparison- when Schwartz wrote his piece on Giants HC search down to 3 he weote "a source with knowledge of the Giants thinking"
King in his MMQB piece cited - "But those who know Gettleman believe he would not use the second pick in a draft on a flawed player"
Thats pretty vague and also applies an assumption about what Dg perceives these guys as flawed. His article is riddled with "I think" and "i believe"
So they really dont need to be lying. I dont doubt this is what they are hearing from these sources
In his Gettleman teally wants piece - " a national NFL scout"
His new piece - Louis Riddick