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NFT: Nationals at Mets Game 1. DeGrominator

ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 4:03 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo (L) RF
Asdrubal Cabrera (S) 2B
Michael Conforto (L) LF
Todd Frazier (R) 3B
Adrian Gonzalez (L) 1B
Juan Lagares (R) CF
Jose Lobaton (S) C
Jacob deGrom (L) P
Amed Rosario (R) SS


More injuries. Bruce out with Plantar Fasciitis. DeGrom is going to be on point today with Ces also our. LGM! Set the tone!
Sorry for the shoddy phone  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 4:04 pm : link
Typo post! Lol
Still like the lineup 1-5  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 4:06 pm : link
Even with two big pieces out tonight but man... 6-9 is ugly right now.
I get that Cespedes needs a day off  
Mike in NY : 4/16/2018 4:07 pm : link
But he has actually hit Hellickson decently, but has struggled against Roark. Would give him off Wednesday instead
I'm going tonight, think we'll need a stellar  
Section331 : 4/16/2018 4:25 pm : link
effort from Jake.
I sure hope  
allstarjim : 4/16/2018 4:34 pm : link
Nido suprises. Lobaton is a black hole in the lineup.

2 week  
gmen9892 : 4/16/2018 4:47 pm : link
Stretch for Lobaton or Nido to show anything. Lobaton looks lost up there. Hoping one of these guys can show enough to stick around once Plaw gets healthy.
Lobaton sucks...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 4:54 pm : link
He actually looks horrid defensively. He can’t frame for shit. He’s just stabbing at the ball. Yuck. At least Nido can frame.
RE: Lobaton sucks...  
allstarjim : 4/16/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13916362 ZGiants98 said:
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He actually looks horrid defensively. He can’t frame for shit. He’s just stabbing at the ball. Yuck. At least Nido can frame.


And he can't hit...the guy failed to reach the Mendoza line in 2 of the last 3 seasons, with a stellar .232 BA sandwiched inbetween, with little power.

How is this guy playing in the Majors? Ryan Hanigan would be better...as would Miguel Montero.

I can't believe I'm this anxious to see Kevin Plawecki back in the lineup.
Wondering if Mets make the World Series  
allstarjim : 4/16/2018 5:11 pm : link
If d'Arnaud would be healthy enough to play, at least pinch hit? We are 6 months away from the World Series afterall.
RE: Wondering if Mets make the World Series  
allstarjim : 4/16/2018 5:12 pm : link
And I've read that position players can come back from TJ surgery in as little as 6 months.
RE: Wondering if Mets make the World Series  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13916389 allstarjim said:
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If d'Arnaud would be healthy enough to play, at least pinch hit? We are 6 months away from the World Series afterall.


Timeline is 6-8 months but they wouldn’t push it. TDA is definitely done for the year. I don’t subscribe to him being done as a Met however. He’ll be back next year.
Nats lineup  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 5:15 pm : link
1. Trea Turner (R) SS
2. Howie Kendrick (R) 2B
3. Bryce Harper (L) RF
4. Ryan Zimmerman (R) 1B
5. Matt Wieters (S) C
6. Matt Adams (L) LF
7. Wilmer Difo (S) 3B
8. Jeremy Hellickson (R) P
9. Michael A. Taylor (R) CF
Curious to see if they DL Rendon  
bhill410 : 4/16/2018 6:46 pm : link
The plantar fasciitis is concerning as that could nag him all year.
Lousy schedule having to play two series with this team in a week.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 7:03 pm : link
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DeGrom breaks Harper’s bat  
Mike in NY : 4/16/2018 7:15 pm : link
And yet Harper still hit it out
Jesus -- Harper gets sawed off  
jpkmets : 4/16/2018 7:15 pm : link
breaks his bat clean in two and hits it out.
lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 7:16 pm : link
I mean what the hell can you even say to that
I have been watching bb for 50+ years and have never seen that before  
steve in ky : 4/16/2018 7:16 pm : link
broken bat HR, unreal.
Now that’s something  
Stufftherun : 4/16/2018 7:16 pm : link
you don’t see everyday or any day for that matter.
Anthony Rendon has a bruised big toe  
CardinalX : 4/16/2018 7:21 pm : link
foul tipped off the big toe few games ago. fairly unlikely he will DL as xrays were negative. it's Zimmerman who had the Plantar Fascietis (sp?) issue.
and they answer back  
jpkmets : 4/16/2018 7:23 pm : link
anyone surprised, lol?
They answer again  
steve in ky : 4/16/2018 7:24 pm : link
Nice habit they are forming this season
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 7:24 pm : link
And there's the typical answer...

Todd Frazier is the fucking man.
I’m confised  
Shecky : 4/16/2018 7:25 pm : link
I thought Bruce had plantar fasciitis?
RE: I’m confised  
steve in ky : 4/16/2018 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13916556 Shecky said:
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I thought Bruce had plantar fasciitis?


He does, doesn't he?
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 7:31 pm : link
Yes, Bruce does - I don't think Rendon does.
Just checked, but the last player to hit a HR off a broken bat  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 7:32 pm : link
was Bonds in 2002. His 601st HR.
RE: Just checked, but the last player to hit a HR off a broken bat  
steve in ky : 4/16/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13916573 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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was Bonds in 2002. His 601st HR.


Now that you mention that it does sound familiar.
Always fun watching a pitcher helping himself  
steve in ky : 4/16/2018 7:39 pm : link
when rooting for the team.
Sorry that plantar comment was on me - two separate  
bhill410 : 4/16/2018 7:51 pm : link
Thoughts that I didn’t separate by any discernible punctuation
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 7:59 pm : link
Not sure if I mentioned this or not... but I really, really like Todd Frazier.
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ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 8:04 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Mets plan to revisit trade talks with the Miami Marlins at some point regarding the idea of trading for J.T. Realmuto.

According to Rosenthal, the team made “repeated inquiries” during the offseason for the catcher and Starlin Castro. However, they were told by the Marlins that they no longer needed to shed salary by that point.
The key to facing Harper  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 8:05 pm : link
Is to face him with no one base. The guy is ridiculous right now
deGRom  
jpkmets : 4/16/2018 8:06 pm : link
dealing!
Yeah, that bears out with what I heard from the time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 8:06 pm : link
they traded Stanton.

Realmuto doesn't make any money. They have no reason to trade him unless it's for the type of prospect package the Mets don't have to offer.
Ugh oh.  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 8:07 pm : link
Looks like Syndergaard and deGrom have worked out their kinks.
RE: Yeah, that bears out with what I heard from the time  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13916622 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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they traded Stanton.

Realmuto doesn't make any money. They have no reason to trade him unless it's for the type of prospect package the Mets don't have to offer.


If the Mets are planning on revisiting trade talks as Rosenthal mentions, I doubt its because they feel they dont have a prospect package to acquire him.
The beauty of being 12-2  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 8:09 pm : link
Is that you don’t have to make a desperation deal for Realmuto. Plenty of time to get a catcher if Shecky’s godson Plawecki can’t hack it
I know I’m in the minority  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 8:11 pm : link
But I still have hopes for Lagares as a hitter. Love to see the bunt
Also some good news regarding Swarzak  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 8:13 pm : link
He finally started throwing again. Still 1.5-2 weeks away from returning.
We should just forfeit Lobaton's atbat.  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 8:15 pm : link
They have automatic walks now just by signaling. Cant we just do an autoatic forfeit of a hitter. Pace of play and all?
RE: RE: Yeah, that bears out with what I heard from the time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13916625 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13916622 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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they traded Stanton.

Realmuto doesn't make any money. They have no reason to trade him unless it's for the type of prospect package the Mets don't have to offer.



If the Mets are planning on revisiting trade talks as Rosenthal mentions, I doubt its because they feel they dont have a prospect package to acquire him.


Plenty of teams have better farms to pick from. What's important is what the Marlins think of the Mets prospects. Realmuto is pretty valuable.
5th seems to have been the Achilles so far this year  
JayBinQueens : 4/16/2018 8:33 pm : link
Good to see Jake breeze through it
Jake having an ACE night.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 8:57 pm : link
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Get a real catcher in here  
Rflairr : 4/16/2018 8:58 pm : link
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Lagares probably concussed himself with that slide.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 9:07 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Yeah, that bears out with what I heard from the time  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13916648 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13916625 ZGiants98 said:


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In comment 13916622 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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they traded Stanton.

Realmuto doesn't make any money. They have no reason to trade him unless it's for the type of prospect package the Mets don't have to offer.



If the Mets are planning on revisiting trade talks as Rosenthal mentions, I doubt its because they feel they dont have a prospect package to acquire him.



Plenty of teams have better farms to pick from. What's important is what the Marlins think of the Mets prospects. Realmuto is pretty valuable.


Im betting the Mets can get him if they want him but thats just me.
NATINALS LOL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 9:08 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:08 pm : link
Mickey Callaway is incredible....
What kind of balls do you need to have to call a safety squeeze  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 9:09 pm : link
my goodness.
Safety squeeze...another play you’d never see Collins do.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:09 pm : link
And it worked!!! Mickey keeps everyone guessing.
Speed kills  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 9:13 pm : link
Mets score two runs without a hit
Callaway has never played or coached in the NL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 9:13 pm : link
and he made that call. That's amazing.
Great work by Lagares  
Ira : 4/16/2018 9:14 pm : link
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Masterful game by deGrom  
Ira : 4/16/2018 9:20 pm : link
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.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:22 pm : link
Do not trade Brandon Nimmo.
Nimmo  
spike : 4/16/2018 9:22 pm : link
Would be an excellent leadoff hitter
Rest that foot, Bruce.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:23 pm : link
We got you covered.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:23 pm : link
DROOBYYYYYY

This team!
Great job Cab!  
spike : 4/16/2018 9:24 pm : link
6-1 Mets

Its starting to feel like late 2015 again.

We shouldve fired Collins a long time ago
I love this team.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:25 pm : link
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.  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:26 pm : link
Look, we're like 10% into the season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 9:27 pm : link
but the Nationals look like they don't want to be on the field.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:28 pm : link
It's good that we're getting on them early like this - eventually Babe Murphy will be back which will change their lineup quite a bit.

But these all count - and the bigger hole we can put them in now, the better.
With our rotation  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:30 pm : link
and pen we are not going to go on too many losing streaks. Putting the Nats in a 7-9 game hole is legit.
Taunting Haper like that just brought me back to the  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:32 pm : link
"Larry" days. lol God times.
Beating the Nats while they are banged up  
Ira : 4/16/2018 9:33 pm : link
and struggling is important.
Are the Nats really beat up?  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:37 pm : link
I know Murphy is out and Rendon is out a couple days. Cespedes and Bruce are out tonight and we lost both our catchers. The Nats with Sherzer, Strasburg, and Harper should still be plenty good.
I think Zimmerman's steroids  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:37 pm : link
might have worn off.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:39 pm : link
Murphy and Rendon are big voids in that lineup - it's a totally different team without those guys.

We say the same when we're even just without Cespedes for extended times.

But I'm sure as hell not complaining- they got to feast on us when we were absolutely getting ravaged. So, the more we kick the crap out of them the better.
This has been fun ...  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2018 9:41 pm : link
nice managing by the Mets and a terrific performance by deGrom.

The Nat's look dead in the water. There are some really questionable calls, like holding the runner at first in a 3-2 count with 2 outs, but mainly the defense does not look ready.

It's early, but all these games count and the Mets are a fun team to watch!
Great outing by deGrom  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2018 9:42 pm : link
12 Ks.
Take a bow, Jake.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:42 pm : link
You earned it.
Sure but Rendon is just out a couple days  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:42 pm : link
Didnt we sweep them when he was in the lineup last week? Shouldnt Bruce just be out a few days? Murphy is big but again we are down Cespedes tonight.

I just dont want to minimize what we are doing right now. It's impressive and the Nats are still good.
Did we just load the bases for Harper?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:45 pm : link
Ugh
Call me crazy.  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2018 9:46 pm : link
But I'd consider walking Harper even with the bases loaded. It's 6-1.
well that escalated quickly  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 9:46 pm : link
big game Blevins got this.
They should IBB harper  
spike : 4/16/2018 9:49 pm : link
I will miss him when he becomes a Yankee
RE: They should IBB harper  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13916781 spike said:
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I will miss him when he becomes a Yankee


He could go to the Phillies, they have a decent team and tons of cash.
That sucks for Jake.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:50 pm : link
Come one boys, you gotta hold those runners for Jake.
Can Blevins ever  
Rflairr : 4/16/2018 9:51 pm : link
come in and actually do his job against Harper? Jessh
So much for saving the bullpen  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/16/2018 9:51 pm : link
Everyone is going to pitch now.
Come on Ramos...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 9:51 pm : link
Get us two outs.
RE: They should IBB harper  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13916781 spike said:
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I will miss him when he becomes a Yankee


He’s not going to the Yankees.
He should join  
spike : 4/16/2018 9:54 pm : link
The Angels
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:56 pm : link
Ugh. If Matt fucking Reynolds gets us here...
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13916794 arcarsenal said:
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Ugh. If Matt fucking Reynolds gets us here...


You know it...
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:58 pm : link
Ramos won't even throw him a strike. LOL.. jesus.
F u  
spike : 4/16/2018 9:58 pm : link
Ramos
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 9:58 pm : link
Sigh... if we blow this it's going to fucking sting.
We ve been spoiled by reed  
spike : 4/16/2018 9:59 pm : link
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Ramos sucks.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 9:59 pm : link
Bases loaded walk to Matt fucking Reynolds. Dumbass.
Walking bums  
Rflairr : 4/16/2018 9:59 pm : link
like Kendrick and Reynolds. Jeesh
Matt Reynolds  
Chris L. : 4/16/2018 10:00 pm : link
are you kidding me?????
Ugh  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:01 pm : link
Whys Flores inthereafter yesterday?
Mickey overmansged  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 10:02 pm : link
No reason to take Lugo out after one batter with a five run lead.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:03 pm : link
Awful. No one can get a fucking out.
What the holy fuck.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:03 pm : link
None of these guys can get one fucking out? Jesus.
Getting beaten  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:03 pm : link
By scrubs.

Pitching scared
Lol  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:03 pm : link
Get Gsellman in there
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
Complete meltdown.
No win for DeGrom is an absolute crime  
Sean : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
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These are the Mets  
RodneyHamp : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
I know!
RE: Mickey overmansged  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13916811 Vanzetti said:
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No reason to take Lugo out after one batter with a five run lead.


You just can’t wait to kill Mickey every game, lol.

You have to except ONE of these guys to get an out.
This one is on the manager and pulling lugo  
bhill410 : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
. Sucks
Jake  
Rflairr : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
had made Kendrick look like a minor leaguer all day. Should have let him pitch to him.

But no excuse for walking Reynolds and Kendrick. None
Fucking awful...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:04 pm : link
Well we were bound to have a bad bullpen night eventually. This is disgusting. All from our top pitchers too. Lugo cant get a guy out. Blevins cant get his man. Ramos... Familia...

Fucking shit.
We just need  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:05 pm : link
Flo to jack one again
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:05 pm : link
Maybe the fans should have waited a little bit on that Harper chant... looks foolish now.
This game was gift wrapped for the Mets and they are literally  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:06 pm : link
handing it over to the Nationals.
Cant blame the weather  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:06 pm : link
Tonight
It’s inconceivable  
Stufftherun : 4/16/2018 10:06 pm : link
that the entire pen goes to shit! Were they laughing it up and packing it in an inning ago? WTF were they doing?
Can't lose to this team  
Rflairr : 4/16/2018 10:06 pm : link
with Rendon, Murph, and Eaton out with a 4 run lead in the 8th. Terrible
Back  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:07 pm : link
To being the lovable mets again
And this is why Familia gets Benitez references.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:07 pm : link
I will NEVER be comfortable with him on the mound.
Wow so much for feeling great about beating the Nats  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:07 pm : link
Holy shit.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:07 pm : link
Horrendous.

We had a chance to absolutely demoralize this team tonight and we blew it.
RE: RE: Mickey overmansged  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13916820 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13916811 Vanzetti said:


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No reason to take Lugo out after one batter with a five run lead.



You just can’t wait to kill Mickey every game, lol.

You have to except ONE of these guys to get an out.



Every game? Lol. Mickey has been great but he overmansged tonight.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:08 pm : link
Familia should never have needed to pitch tonight.

It's ridiculous that 4 other relievers couldn't get a single out.
Shouldve let Jake  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:08 pm : link
Finish the 8th
Familia another choke  
Chris L. : 4/16/2018 10:08 pm : link
what he is best at!!!!!!
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13916834 arcarsenal said:
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Horrendous.

We had a chance to absolutely demoralize this team tonight and we blew it.


And worst of all, it’s because we just can’t throw the ball over the plate. It’s not as if they are banging the ball over the place. Just handing it to them. Ugh.
Not looking good  
spike : 4/16/2018 10:09 pm : link
To lose a Degrom game

Wheeler and Matz might get exposed next
Nights like this are going to happen...interested to see how they  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:13 pm : link
respond to this meltdown.

Not encouraged that we have Wheeler going tomorrow. But hoping for another good performance from him.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:15 pm : link
Well, we have 5 outs.. and we only need one run to tie this.

I guess I'll wait and see if they can. I'd be foolish to count them out now.

But it does feel like this one might get away from us.... which sucks. We had it on a platter.
Definitely never saw the bullpen blowing this with a 6-1 lead  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:19 pm : link
tonight in the 8th. Damn. First real gut check of the season.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:22 pm : link
Sick to my stomach. What an awful game to drop.
I was kind of interested to see Robles vs. Harper  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 10:23 pm : link
until that.
Robles gives up WAYYYYYYY too many bombs  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:24 pm : link
He has to go down when Swarzak is activated. Has to.
Bleh, this sucks.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:27 pm : link
It was such a good night too, lol.
yea keeping him out of pressure spots was the 1 thing TC did right  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 10:27 pm : link
that fastball straightens out and its over for him. At least he doesn't do the pop signal on homers anymore.
And of course this has  
Chris L. : 4/16/2018 10:29 pm : link
to happen against the Nats......sooo annoying!!!!
Jake cruising along  
Stufftherun : 4/16/2018 10:30 pm : link
everyone having a good time, and boom, the roof falls in. It’s obviously very early in the season but let this be a wake up call of sorts.
Definitely a lot of pressure on Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:31 pm : link
to pitch a good game tomorrow.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:32 pm : link
Holy shit. WHY IS HE RUNNING
I think he's actually safe  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 10:33 pm : link
but that was a pretty stupid decision.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:33 pm : link
They're not going to overturn this. He's out.
What the fuck was  
Stufftherun : 4/16/2018 10:33 pm : link
he thinking?! He should just plant his ass on 2nd base until a ball leaves the infield or the game ends!
That could’ve gone the Mets way, but it’s not to be tonight.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:34 pm : link
Sigh...
Win the next two and it’s all good  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 10:35 pm : link
We all know Familia is called Benitez 2 for a reason. . Now Mickey knows too. He is a rookie manager and did a bad job tonight. The key is to not let it snowball. Win tomorrow and this is just a blip
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:36 pm : link
The Benitez 2 stuff is fucking stupid. The guy has been virtually perfect all year. He shouldn't even have needed to pitch tonight.

Everyone in the pen failed.
RE: Win the next two and it’s all good  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2018 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13916888 Vanzetti said:
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We all know Familia is called Benitez 2 for a reason. . Now Mickey knows too. He is a rookie manager and did a bad job tonight. The key is to not let it snowball. Win tomorrow and this is just a blip


Any one of those pitchers could’ve thrown a single strike and it would have been a good job by Mickey. Literally any of them.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:37 pm : link
I have a feeling we're going to get swept now, though. This is the type of loss that completely turns the tides. Just horrible.
Agree  
Canton : 4/16/2018 10:40 pm : link
This win will be the turning point for the Nats to go off on a run.
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spike : 4/16/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13916894 arcarsenal said:
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I have a feeling we're going to get swept now, though. This is the type of loss that completely turns the tides. Just horrible.


Absolutely. This is a momentum changing win for them and loss for us.

Wheeler and Matz dont give me confidence
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Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13916894 arcarsenal said:
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I have a feeling we're going to get swept now, though. This is the type of loss that completely turns the tides. Just horrible.


We'll see it's a good bounce back test. Also a good test for Wheeler. I think the BP just put it on cruise control and will hopefully learn a big lesson. If you have to go down this way it's better that it was literally all of them blowing it vs. 1 guy getting his confidence shot.
RE: .  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13916889 arcarsenal said:
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The Benitez 2 stuff is fucking stupid. The guy has been virtually perfect all year. He shouldn't even have needed to pitch tonight.

Everyone in the pen failed.


Familia is exactly like Benitez. Armando often had stretches of utter dominance. But he lost his command in big spots. Just like Familia. I can’t think of two players more like each other. Benitez had absolutely great stuff and most of the time he was quite good. But he lost the plate in crucial situations. Again exactly like Familia. Their repertoire is even similar
Every single player failed in the bullpen but I just  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:48 pm : link
Cant get over Lugo not being able to throw one damn strike to Kendrick. Wow. Awful.

I cant wipe this game from the memory bank fast enough. Shades of San Diego 2015.
RE: RE: Win the next two and it’s all good  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13916892 PhiPsi125 said:
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We all know Familia is called Benitez 2 for a reason. . Now Mickey knows too. He is a rookie manager and did a bad job tonight. The key is to not let it snowball. Win tomorrow and this is just a blip



Any one of those pitchers could’ve thrown a single strike and it would have been a good job by Mickey. Literally any of them.


Bullpen definitely gets 99% of the blame but Mickey also got too cute. Like I said, rookie mistake. It just sucks because bullpens tend to be very temperamental. They feed off success but also often struggle after a game like this. That’s why tomorrow is key
Momentum in baseball  
Metnut : 4/16/2018 10:50 pm : link
is only worth as much as your starting pitcher the next day.

Brutal loss tonight. Pen let us down. They’ve picked us up a bunch too and that’s why the team is 12-3. Can’t let this turn into a slump that undoes our start. Get after these bastards tomorrow. LGM.
Benitez threw meatballs the second there was an ounce of pressure  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 10:52 pm : link
they are totally different. Nobodies going to be perfect - especially a guy like Familia whose control is always a little on the edge. The ground ball single he gave up was a lot less egregious than walking the guy in front of Harper with a 5 run lead or Matt freaking Reynolds with the bases loaded.
RE: Every single player failed in the bullpen but I just  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13916908 ZGiants98 said:
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Cant get over Lugo not being able to throw one damn strike to Kendrick. Wow. Awful.

I cant wipe this game from the memory bank fast enough. Shades of San Diego 2015.


Lugo has struggled a bit lately. Plus he is s concerted starter. Also relies on the curve, which can be hard to throw for a strike when it’s cold and you do t have a feel for the ball
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:53 pm : link
Benitez became known for blowing saves in crucial spots. When you think about Benitez' career, everyone thinks meltdowns and blown saves.

I don't think it's really fair to pin that on Familia every single time he isn't perfect.

Guy had a 0.00 ERA, 0.800 WHIP, 1.66 FIP and led all of baseball in saves. Then he comes into a game in the 8th where he probably never thought he was going to have to pitch, doesn't have his best stuff, and I have to read this Benitez bullshit again.

It's silly. It's obviously meant to be disparaging. Familia has been ridiculously good this far. One misstep in an 8th inning was all it took for the nonsense to start up again.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 10:54 pm : link
If one of the 50 relievers that pitched before him could just get one out, it's a completely different game.
RE: RE: Every single player failed in the bullpen but I just  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13916914 Vanzetti said:
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Cant get over Lugo not being able to throw one damn strike to Kendrick. Wow. Awful.

I cant wipe this game from the memory bank fast enough. Shades of San Diego 2015.



Lugo has struggled a bit lately. Plus he is s concerted starter. Also relies on the curve, which can be hard to throw for a strike when it’s cold and you do t have a feel for the ball


He also has a 4 seam 95 mph fastball. No excuse for that but whatever. Everyone imploded tonight.
Not sure why Callaway should get blame  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 10:56 pm : link
Its a 6-1 game.. 8th inning... deGrom is over a 100 pitches.. give up a hit.. You have the ML-leading best bullpen at your disposal... What was he supposed to do? He expected 5 relievers not to do their job?

The smartest move was going to Robles in the 9th even though it was still close. Now Familia can pitch tomorrow.
yea I don't have a problem with anything Callaway did  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2018 11:00 pm : link
the only option he really had was not putting in Lugo. Knowing Harper was on deck he only had 1 batter. Maybe not the best spot for a guy new to the BP. Also maybe a test. Could have let Blevins take a shot at Kendrick or just kept JDG in for 1 more guy. Just one of those games.
RE: Not sure why Callaway should get blame  
Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13916920 ZGiants98 said:
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Its a 6-1 game.. 8th inning... deGrom is over a 100 pitches.. give up a hit.. You have the ML-leading best bullpen at your disposal... What was he supposed to do? He expected 5 relievers not to do their job?

The smartest move was going to Robles in the 9th even though it was still close. Now Familia can pitch tomorrow.


Like I said, bullpen gets 99% of blame but Mickey was a contributing factor. But it is pointless to rehash it. People are gonna see it the wAy they are going to see it . Big thing is to win tomorrow . And in that spirit, this is my
Last post tonight. Everybody take s shot of Jamesons and We will all be here tomorrow, hopefully to watch Wheeler dominate
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Vanzetti : 4/16/2018 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13916915 arcarsenal said:
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Benitez became known for blowing saves in crucial spots. When you think about Benitez' career, everyone thinks meltdowns and blown saves.

I don't think it's really fair to pin that on Familia every single time he isn't perfect.

Guy had a 0.00 ERA, 0.800 WHIP, 1.66 FIP and led all of baseball in saves. Then he comes into a game in the 8th where he probably never thought he was going to have to pitch, doesn't have his best stuff, and I have to read this Benitez bullshit again.

It's silly. It's obviously meant to be disparaging. Familia has been ridiculously good this far. One misstep in an 8th inning was all it took for the nonsense to start up again.


I think maybe we have a different view of Benitez. I look at him as a guy who could dominate but had command issues, which led to big blown saves and then it became a psychological issue. So when I call Familia Venitez 2, it is more that I worry about him going down that road. Look
At 2015: Familia dominated in first two postseason series and then
Blew three saves in WS. To me that is Benitez like, both dominating and blowing it.
If you want to say Familia can blow big games like Beneitez  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 11:15 pm : link
did.. that's one thing... But what really irks me is the "Familia is a mess when the pressure" is on... stuff. Every single save opportunity is a high-stress situation. It's almost always in a close game. 99% of the time he's fine. He's not always a mess or an implosion when the pressure is on.

We've seen Familia come in and save our ass and get 5 outs many times. At least be fair.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13916931 Vanzetti said:
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Benitez became known for blowing saves in crucial spots. When you think about Benitez' career, everyone thinks meltdowns and blown saves.

I don't think it's really fair to pin that on Familia every single time he isn't perfect.

Guy had a 0.00 ERA, 0.800 WHIP, 1.66 FIP and led all of baseball in saves. Then he comes into a game in the 8th where he probably never thought he was going to have to pitch, doesn't have his best stuff, and I have to read this Benitez bullshit again.

It's silly. It's obviously meant to be disparaging. Familia has been ridiculously good this far. One misstep in an 8th inning was all it took for the nonsense to start up again.



I think maybe we have a different view of Benitez. I look at him as a guy who could dominate but had command issues, which led to big blown saves and then it became a psychological issue. So when I call Familia Venitez 2, it is more that I worry about him going down that road. Look
At 2015: Familia dominated in first two postseason series and then
Blew three saves in WS. To me that is Benitez like, both dominating and blowing it.


The saves blown in the WS need context.

Quick pitching Alex Gordon in Game 1 was his fault - but he came into messes the other two times. I'm fairly certain an inherited runner scored on a ball in play where out(s) were recorded and he still got pegged with a blown save for that.

There's a lot of revisionist history about his WS performance which really wasn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be.
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arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 11:38 pm : link
I guess I'm just looking for closers in this league who don't blow saves once in a while or don't have meltdowns.

As far as I know, basically every single closer in this league is susceptible to a poor outing once in a while.

Callaway said what I think most people were thinking during his presser.

When guys in a bullpen see a guy locked in like deGrom was today, most of them probably thought they were getting the night off. It's not an excuse - but I think that's what happened. Then when each of them couldn't get an out, we had to get the next one up and it just kept piling up.

It is what it is.

We'll see what this team is made of tomorrow.
Im still weirdly confident in Wheeler tomorrow  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2018 11:58 pm : link
I feel like he's locked in. I hope I dont regret saying that. Im more worried about the bats repeating this performance with Cespedes and others still cold but we'll see. Frazier and Cabrera have been hot. So that's good.
The only reason I am confident about Wheeler  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/17/2018 12:19 am : link
is that he changed his windup from that overhead hand break to a simpler delivery. Praying that's the change needed.
God this was such  
CMicks3110 : 4/17/2018 7:39 am : link
a brutal loss
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twostepgiants : 4/17/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 13916947 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13916915 arcarsenal said:


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Benitez became known for blowing saves in crucial spots. When you think about Benitez' career, everyone thinks meltdowns and blown saves.

I don't think it's really fair to pin that on Familia every single time he isn't perfect.

Guy had a 0.00 ERA, 0.800 WHIP, 1.66 FIP and led all of baseball in saves. Then he comes into a game in the 8th where he probably never thought he was going to have to pitch, doesn't have his best stuff, and I have to read this Benitez bullshit again.

It's silly. It's obviously meant to be disparaging. Familia has been ridiculously good this far. One misstep in an 8th inning was all it took for the nonsense to start up again.



I think maybe we have a different view of Benitez. I look at him as a guy who could dominate but had command issues, which led to big blown saves and then it became a psychological issue. So when I call Familia Venitez 2, it is more that I worry about him going down that road. Look
At 2015: Familia dominated in first two postseason series and then
Blew three saves in WS. To me that is Benitez like, both dominating and blowing it.



The saves blown in the WS need context.

Quick pitching Alex Gordon in Game 1 was his fault - but he came into messes the other two times. I'm fairly certain an inherited runner scored on a ball in play where out(s) were recorded and he still got pegged with a blown save for that.

There's a lot of revisionist history about his WS performance which really wasn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be.


How about his performance in the Wild Card game?
RE: Agree  
gmenatlarge : 4/17/2018 8:28 am : link
In comment 13916897 Canton said:
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This win will be the turning point for the Nats to go off on a run.


Unfortunately must agree, could definitely see this as a loss that will be looked back on as the turning point.
Holy santa clause shit , well that effin sucked but  
Rory : 4/17/2018 9:17 am : link
honestly the Mets were due for a game like this. An I think Callaway needed it to validate the team to stay focused.

also can we not kill our manager every time something doesn't work out...(ahem Vanzetti)....., and I might be off a bit but I feel that outside of Lugo none of Ramos/Blevins/Familia were ready to pitch that 8th inning hence control issues.

Wheeler knows this is a huge start for him. I still recall what he said back during the 2015 trade deadline on how he wants to be here and part of something special. You gotta assume he knows this will be his chance to justify staying in the rotation and being that something special.

LGM
Got to put last night behind them  
figgy2989 : 4/17/2018 9:24 am : link
Hopefully this isn’t one of those loses that turns into a downward spiral.
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Eric on Li : 4/17/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 13917005 twostepgiants said:
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How about his performance in the Wild Card game?


A guy who never hits homers caught one. Matt Franco hit a home run against Mariano Rivera once too. You know how many home runs Familia gave up in all of 2016 before that? 1.

The WS context point about Familia is a good one. Yes he got tagged by Gordon on a stupid quick pitch, but he bounced back and pitched well the rest of that series (after dominating in the 2 series before the WS). He did what he had to do to get his team out of 2 big jams but he got "blown saves" because the fielders behind him imploded.

To me, there are 2 key differences between Benitez and Familia. First when things went bad on Benitez he NEVER bounced back - it only got worse. He was a bully on the mound and when someone got him he collapsed. Familia on the other hand has bounced back a lot. He's not always perfectly clean, but he competes and has as good of stuff as just about any closer except Mariano. Second, Benitez gave up about twice as many home runs as Familia. As a Met for 4.5 seasons Benitez gave up 39 homers. Familia has given up just 13 homers since becoming a big piece of the BP in 2014.

There is a very small list of guys we'd rather have than Familia.
RE: Agree  
Eric on Li : 4/17/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13916897 Canton said:
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This win will be the turning point for the Nats to go off on a run.


Eh this game will be what either of these 2 teams make it. The home run and loss to SD in the rain in 2015 seemed like a deathblow at the time, not a footnote to a world series run. The Nats didn't do much to win last night, they basically got out of the way as the BP walked half their lineup. I think the only hits they had were a few singles (in the 8th).

Great teams need to find ways to bounce back after things go against them. This season a lot has been going right, last night was the first time the ground balls were hit to places our fielders weren't when it mattered. That will happen sometimes, the lesson has to be that you can't make that worse by walking the ballpark.
Last night was just one of those times in sports  
Chris684 : 4/17/2018 9:46 am : link
when one of these damn games keeps you up at night.

6-1, stepping on the throats of the Nats, adding to a commanding lead in the division, and a nice tidy stat line for deGrom on top of that.

In 2 innings the bullpen took a dump on all of that. These next 2 games are very important. The Nats can make up for last week with a series win/sweep. I didnt think the Mets would sweep this time around, but 2 out of 3 will go a long way.

Any Knicks fans out there, this Mets game felt like the Knicks-Cleveland game earlier this year where Frank stood up to LeBron, Knicks were rolling until the 4th quarter. Cavs went on a nice little streak after that. Hopefully Nats don't do the same.
I was at this disaster last night.  
Section331 : 4/17/2018 9:50 am : link
Lugo really screwed the pooch, IMO. Bryce Harper on deck and you throw a 4-pitch walk?

We'll get an idea of what Mickey is made of. This is a veteran team, I don't think this loss is going to cause a meltdown. A win tonight will calm a lot of nerves.
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Rory : 4/17/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13917126 Eric on Li said:
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How about his performance in the Wild Card game?



A guy who never hits homers caught one. Matt Franco hit a home run against Mariano Rivera once too. You know how many home runs Familia gave up in all of 2016 before that? 1.

The WS context point about Familia is a good one. Yes he got tagged by Gordon on a stupid quick pitch, but he bounced back and pitched well the rest of that series (after dominating in the 2 series before the WS). He did what he had to do to get his team out of 2 big jams but he got "blown saves" because the fielders behind him imploded.

To me, there are 2 key differences between Benitez and Familia. First when things went bad on Benitez he NEVER bounced back - it only got worse. He was a bully on the mound and when someone got him he collapsed. Familia on the other hand has bounced back a lot. He's not always perfectly clean, but he competes and has as good of stuff as just about any closer except Mariano. Second, Benitez gave up about twice as many home runs as Familia. As a Met for 4.5 seasons Benitez gave up 39 homers. Familia has given up just 13 homers since becoming a big piece of the BP in 2014.

There is a very small list of guys we'd rather have than Familia.
Twostep, look around the league not many closers doing well right now Familia has been exceptional. Or do you want to go back to the K-Rod days?
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arcarsenal : 4/17/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13917005 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 13916931 Vanzetti said:


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In comment 13916915 arcarsenal said:


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Benitez became known for blowing saves in crucial spots. When you think about Benitez' career, everyone thinks meltdowns and blown saves.

I don't think it's really fair to pin that on Familia every single time he isn't perfect.

Guy had a 0.00 ERA, 0.800 WHIP, 1.66 FIP and led all of baseball in saves. Then he comes into a game in the 8th where he probably never thought he was going to have to pitch, doesn't have his best stuff, and I have to read this Benitez bullshit again.

It's silly. It's obviously meant to be disparaging. Familia has been ridiculously good this far. One misstep in an 8th inning was all it took for the nonsense to start up again.



I think maybe we have a different view of Benitez. I look at him as a guy who could dominate but had command issues, which led to big blown saves and then it became a psychological issue. So when I call Familia Venitez 2, it is more that I worry about him going down that road. Look
At 2015: Familia dominated in first two postseason series and then
Blew three saves in WS. To me that is Benitez like, both dominating and blowing it.



The saves blown in the WS need context.

Quick pitching Alex Gordon in Game 1 was his fault - but he came into messes the other two times. I'm fairly certain an inherited runner scored on a ball in play where out(s) were recorded and he still got pegged with a blown save for that.

There's a lot of revisionist history about his WS performance which really wasn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be.



How about his performance in the Wild Card game?


How about his performances in the postseason against the Dodgers and Cubs?
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arcarsenal : 4/17/2018 10:19 am : link
Last night's loss is still bothering me. Tonight is really important. I hope Wheeler has it. He's been dreadful at Citi Field recently. 9+ ERA.
Last night's loss was so horrific  
Chris684 : 4/17/2018 10:22 am : link
that as a Mets/Devils fan, the Devils outcome was far more important but I'm still annoyed today.

Holy overreaction, Batman  
PhiPsi125 : 4/17/2018 10:59 am : link
Yes, last night's game sucked. And it sucked more because it should have been a win. Everyone already had the Mets in the win column by the sixth inning. That's why it stings more. But all this talk about a downward spiral is dumb. It's one game. The Mets are 12-3 right now, lol. We weren't going to win 130 games.

The Met's have been the recipient of a lot of good fortune in this early season. Last night, the shoe was on the other foot. And mostly self-inflicted. Washington is still a damn good team. Hopefully they learn from this and grow. If not, then maybe this team and new manager aren't as good as we thought. Personally, I don't believe that to be the case. I hope they enter tonight's game pissed off. And someone other than Frazier and Cabrera need to start hitting the damn ball.

Sack up, f*ckers.
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arcarsenal : 4/17/2018 11:09 am : link
I can deal with a loss - I don't expect perfection.

Here's why it bothers me so much, though...

1. deGrom vs Hellickson - this alone tells you we should win this game. If I told you deGrom would get into the 8th inning having only allowed 1 run and would exit with a 5 run lead, no one ever would have believed that we'd lose.
2. No Rendon, no Murphy - light lineup for them. Won't be that way all year. Turner hasn't really gotten going yet, either.
3. Not one fucking reliever could get the job done. One guy is off his game... I can accept that. Even two. But to go from deGrom to Lugo to Blevins to Ramos to Familia and have every single guy struggle to just throw fucking strikes to turds like Sierra and Difo is infuriating.

I'm still livid. This team needs to win tonight.
the 2 things that bug me are the Lugo walk and wasting JDG's night  
Eric on Li : 4/17/2018 11:30 am : link
If you are Lugo entering the game there, the only thing you can't do is what he did. Literally, anything else would have been a better outcome - including giving up a homerun. At least at that point it's clean on the bases for someone to come in and not have pitch so carefully to Harper.
RE: Holy overreaction, Batman  
Rory : 4/17/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13917267 PhiPsi125 said:
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Yes, last night's game sucked. And it sucked more because it should have been a win. Everyone already had the Mets in the win column by the sixth inning. That's why it stings more. But all this talk about a downward spiral is dumb. It's one game. The Mets are 12-3 right now, lol. We weren't going to win 130 games.

The Met's have been the recipient of a lot of good fortune in this early season. Last night, the shoe was on the other foot. And mostly self-inflicted. Washington is still a damn good team. Hopefully they learn from this and grow. If not, then maybe this team and new manager aren't as good as we thought. Personally, I don't believe that to be the case. I hope they enter tonight's game pissed off. And someone other than Frazier and Cabrera need to start hitting the damn ball.

Sack up, f*ckers.


well fuck, I like this side of you
Going to the game tonight  
jpkmets : 4/17/2018 12:57 pm : link
can't wait. That was a brutal loss. But this team kicks ass and comes back from adversity.

Make em pay tonight!!!!
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