NFT: Marlins (4-11) @ Yankees (7-7), Monday, 4/16/2018, 06:35p ET

The injuries and struggles of Wade and Walker. Who knows we may soon see Torres in for Torreyes.

to get Stanton out of the field so he can focus on his boomsticking.

His outing wasn't horrific but his numbers took a beating in Boston.

In comment 13916454 Ace718 said:

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His outing wasn't horrific but his numbers took a beating in Boston.

read anything more about him tipping his pitches? It seemed pretty clear he was loading up differently when throwing his FB and SL.

Two against Miami, four against Toronto, four against Minny. Let's start kicking ass.

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Two against Miami, four against Toronto, four against Minny. Let's start kicking ass.

8-2 or so would be nice. Time for pitching to settle in

In comment 13916462 RasputinPrime said:

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In comment 13916454 Ace718 said: Quote: His outing wasn't horrific but his numbers took a beating in Boston. read anything more about him tipping his pitches? It seemed pretty clear he was loading up differently when throwing his FB and SL.

Boone also suggested that he may have been tipping his pitches. They worked with him over the week to find the errors. Not the first time it's been pointed out that he tipped his pitches. Happened last year as well.

Weather has been cold and wet so makes sense. Pulse the 6;35 start could also be a reason.

They need to start in may.

time to start scheduling more double-headers next year. It would also be fun to have the first two weeks of games in Caribbean or Asian countries.

Hit 99 on the swinging strike 3 to Castro.

3-2

Looks like he’s seeing the ball well, only swung at strikes

In comment 13916488 RasputinPrime said:

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time to start scheduling more double-headers next year. It would also be fun to have the first two weeks of games in Caribbean or Asian countries.

Not a bad idea I know cleveland is in Puerto Rico. Should of played there earlier though.

just swung at a bad pitch.

AB to work the walk. Hope Andujar is patient.

Marlins pitcher and catcher seemed bothered by Stanton at second base, as if he was relaying signs

Teams seem more paranoid than ever about sign stealing...can’t be without reason

himself out of a couple walks..Needs more seasoning.

Also, Austin looks good at the plate. He should be the 1B almost everyday till Bird is back.

game for Severino working on sliders and changeups. 35 pitches to the Marlins in 2 innings is not good. He should be able to go at least 7 innings and probably 9 against these guys.

delivery. We should tee off on him.

that

3-0

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Great sign for Judge, easy swing, didn’t try to pull, really just a fly ball but he’s too strong for most MLB ballparks

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Marlin's feed because of MLB rules, but they were laughing at Judge's stats (in a good way) - 16 for 49 in the 12 game hitting streak, but add in 12 walks. Pretty decent announcers, too. They talk a touch too much, but not mindless drivel.

lost it. Line drive in the score book!

Hicks.

5-0 good guys

they. forget the "Y" too often.

Will only get better with the return of Bird.

So good to have him back.

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So good to have him back.

Who'd a thunk it a year ago.

More like it

2 run rocket to RF seats, 7-0

I have a feeling that was with purpose, the Marlins were being weird in the 1st inning when Stanton was on 2B, I think they thought he was relaying signs.

Stanton didn’t say anything, but didn’t look happy

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I have a feeling that was with purpose, the Marlins were being weird in the 1st inning when Stanton was on 2B, I think they thought he was relaying signs. Stanton didn’t say anything, but didn’t look happy

Right, a Quad A pitcher throws at Stanton because you think they were looking weird at him...that is a little weird.

Every Yankee starter with a hit tonight through 4+ innings?

9-0

His K-rate at the current ~25% level, look the fuck out. He is absolutely raking right now.

way too hard.

Now if Stanton would just snap out of it, we'd be firing on all cylinders

the Marlins but can we add them to AL East?

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In comment 13916636 section125 said:

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In comment 13916633 mfsd said: Quote: I have a feeling that was with purpose, the Marlins were being weird in the 1st inning when Stanton was on 2B, I think they thought he was relaying signs. Stanton didn’t say anything, but didn’t look happy Right, a Quad A pitcher throws at Stanton because you think they were looking weird at him...that is a little weird.

Hey I’ve got no problem if you disagree, I’m just watching the game and commenting. In the first inning both the catcher and pitching coach made visits to discuss signs while Stanton was on second. Then the pitcher made a fake pickoff attempt on Stanton with nobody fielder in the vicinity, the bases loaded and 2 outs, which made no baseball sense.

Obviously, that could simply be bc their starter was having a case of the sucks. Regardless, Stanton didn’t make an issue of the HBP so don’t think there’s anything further to it.

Only reason it registered for me is I’ve found it interesting reading some stories recently about how paranoid teams are with sign stealing. Some teams are commonly accused of using video.

I listen to MLB Radio a lot when in the car, some former player recently was saying sign stealing by runners on second is still common...the runner will lean one way or another, or turn their head right or left to indicate fastball/breaking ball or inside/outside

Nothing like a rain out weekend for the team to get their shit together

He backed off 2 or 3 times. He is not throwing at Stanton as a minor league call up. Stanton wouldn't say a thing unless he thought he was being thrown at. He didn't bitch to Bour when he got to 1st and Bour is a friend of his (via Marlin's TV.) Not every HBP is intentional.

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He backed off 2 or 3 times. He is not throwing at Stanton as a minor league call up. Stanton wouldn't say a thing unless he thought he was being thrown at. He didn't bitch to Bour when he got to 1st and Bour is a friend of his (via Marlin's TV.) Not every HBP is intentional.

Only when it’s by a Red Sox pitcher:)

I guess Torres will get more time in the minors if Andujar has found his stroke.

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In comment 13916673 section125 said: Quote: He backed off 2 or 3 times. He is not throwing at Stanton as a minor league call up. Stanton wouldn't say a thing unless he thought he was being thrown at. He didn't bitch to Bour when he got to 1st and Bour is a friend of his (via Marlin's TV.) Not every HBP is intentional. Only when it’s by a Red Sox pitcher:)

Yeah, that's true.

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I guess Torres will get more time in the minors if Andujar has found his stroke.

To be fair, these pitchers should be in AA. I’d like to see Andujar put together some good ABs against quality MLB pitching before feeling too good, but hopefully that will come

It's been about 45 minutes since he was pulled but no updates on the reason why as of yet. I hope it's not an injury.

or let mop up specialist Betances eat some innings? And take Sanchez out too

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or let mop up specialist Betances eat some innings? And take Sanchez out too

Only 86 pitches. Boone is too quick to pull people.

stretched out through 7 or 8 at least

plenty of months to let Severino run up his pitch count. Let our bottom feeders finish the game

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plenty of months to let Severino run up his pitch count. Let our bottom feeders finish the game

Why? Just get in, get out and end the game. He's 23 or 24.

haven’t pitched in several days an can use the work too

Severino keep pitching...

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30 pitches..

over the course of a career. Use them wisely and save them for the big situations.

If Sony Grey gets to pitch Wednesday he might pitch into the 8th with a shutout

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over the course of a career. Use them wisely and save them for the big situations. If Sony Grey gets to pitch Wednesday he might pitch into the 8th with a shutout

I'd be ecstatic he gets thru 6. He needs a boot up his ass. He has great stuff there is no reason for him to play games with corners until he gets better control.

he was a pro when here, despite being a flawed hitter...and now he gets to spend a whole season playing defense behind this pitching staff.

Getting paid well to do it, so don’t feel that bad, but still

Two tonight.

and for a small guy to be wild is frustrating. How hard is it to duplicate the mechanics when you are small? Anyway he will look like Koufax against these chumps if he gets to pitch.

In comment 13916751 xman said:

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and for a small guy to be wild is frustrating. How hard is it to duplicate the mechanics when you are small? Anyway he will look like Koufax against these chumps if he gets to pitch.

Throws 92 to 95 and all kinds of junk. He should be similar to Jimmy Key or Mussina. Rothschild just needs to jump his shit and tell him to throw strikes.

feeling "a little stiff" and it was a cold night.

is Mike Pagliarulo...3rd base for the Yanks in the 80's, IIRC?

with the 12 run lead???

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feeling "a little stiff" and it was a cold night.

translation - can't risk injury because he is no more than a week away.

Shreve a bit after calling wide pitches for the Marlin's last inning.

Besides that, Shreve nibbling against scrubs.

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is Mike Pagliarulo...3rd base for the Yanks in the 80's, IIRC?

Pags!! Loved how they’d always play that little Italian tune when he’d come to the plate

In other news, our bullpen is still really aggravating

for fun

In comment 13916792 RasputinPrime said:

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In comment 13916760 Del Shofner said: Quote: feeling "a little stiff" and it was a cold night. translation - can't risk injury because he is no more than a week away.

That's kind of how I read it too.

slap these turkeys. How effin hard is it throw strikes against AAA players.
SO shithead immediately throws a ball.

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for fun

Trifecta for tonight. Do it Boone, do it!

just pump fastballs until you figure that pitch out again.

O/U for Betances in the 9th = 50 pitches?

thats are boy

good. I'll take the under...

throws smoke/

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good. I'll take the under...

Helps when the Marlins hitter doesn’t bother to swing!

strikes

boy

to end it...and a fielding play with the 100 mph heater to 1st.

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In comment 13916846 section125 said: Quote: good. I'll take the under... Helps when the Marlins hitter doesn’t bother to swing!

Well Warren and Shreve set them up throwing balls!

delightful

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good. I'll take the under...

Happy I was very wrong about that!

two well-smoked doubles. He's hitting pretty well.

"3B Gleyber Torres: 0-2 — lifted for a pinch-hitter in the fifth inning … Brian Cashman confirmed Gleyber was pulled as a precaution with back stiffness"

4 times? Had 2 doubles himself

Came up in a couple of easy RBI situations but was clearly pressing. He's doing the opposite of Judge at the plate. Judge has really taken an excellent approach at the plate, taking what the pitcher gives him.

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Offense clicked tonight. Hopefully, tonight's performance gets these guys going.

In comment 13916870 mfsd said:

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In comment 13916846 section125 said: Quote: good. I'll take the under... Happy I was very wrong about that!

50 was too high. Had you said 30......

*Seve looked sharp. While I'm a believer in starters going long, I can't blame Boone for taking him out. It's cold, he was sitting for a while, they had an 11 run lead and nobody has pitched since Friday. Guys need work.
*Judge awesome, had 3hits and was robbed of a 4th.
*Sanchez is back. 3 hits again. Should be over the Mendoza line tonight at this pace.
*Didi is Didi. Keeps getting it done. His lefty power is important in this lineup.

stinging the ball. and opposite field power. Glove been pretty good too.

Business as usual.

Wanna know something funny about Didi's incredible start to the season? He's hitting .327 with a BAbip of only .256 - he's actually been unlucky at the plate.

about reading this thread the next day is that if you didn't know the score, you'd think the Yanks had lost and that Boone made one mistake after another in how he managed.

In comment 13917069 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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about reading this thread the next day is that if you didn't know the score, you'd think the Yanks had lost and that Boone made one mistake after another in how he managed.

I was going to say that, but we all know who the culprits are and they are no one worth acknowledging.

In the last week:

Sanchez: 5 games, 8-22, 3 2B, 2 HR, .364/.391/.773
Andujar: 4 games, 4-16, 3 2B, 1 3B, .250/.294/.563 - baby steps
Gardner: 4 games, 6-16, 1 2B, .375/.500/.438

Wade is 0-12 in the past week. I like the kid but it's not his time yet. He needs to go back to Scranton and figure things out.

Walker is ice cold too, 2-17, two singles, no walks: .118/.118/.118

In comment 13917069 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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about reading this thread the next day is that if you didn't know the score, you'd think the Yanks had lost and that Boone made one mistake after another in how he managed.

Aside from some disagreement with Boone pulling Severino after 6 and Warren and Shreve unable to find the strike zone (not Boone's fault), just what was so negative?

In comment 13917092 Greg from LI said:

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Wade is 0-12 in the past week. I like the kid but it's not his time yet. He needs to go back to Scranton and figure things out. Walker is ice cold too, 2-17, two singles, no walks: .118/.118/.118

Yeah, but unless Torres actually pulled something last night, one of these guys (probably Wade) will be gone by May 1 latest.

Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury.

"At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post.

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Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury. "At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post.

Unreal. His body is breaking down fast. Only good news is that once Frazier gets well, he will be the 4th/5th OF.

Have to feel bad for Ellsbury.

Never wanted him in the first place, suspected this is how his Yankee career would play out.

In comment 13917166 section125 said:

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In comment 13917160 Victor in CT said: Quote: Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury. "At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post. Unreal. His body is breaking down fast. Only good news is that once Frazier gets well, he will be the 4th/5th OF. Have to feel bad for Ellsbury.

Yes, to a point. He's goy $68 mill coming in to help him feel better. :-)
From our selfish fan standpoint, that f'ing contract is an albatross and he takes up a valuable spot on the 40 man roster.

In comment 13917168 Greg from LI said:

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Never wanted him in the first place, suspected this is how his Yankee career would play out.

this too

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In comment 13917166 section125 said: Quote: In comment 13917160 Victor in CT said: Quote: Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury. "At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post. Unreal. His body is breaking down fast. Only good news is that once Frazier gets well, he will be the 4th/5th OF. Have to feel bad for Ellsbury. Yes, to a point. He's goy $68 mill coming in to help him feel better. :-) From our selfish fan standpoint, that f'ing contract is an albatross and he takes up a valuable spot on the 40 man roster.

Ranks up there with the Pujols contract as worst ever. For somebody rehabbing, he seems to be getting more weird injuries than what would be believable. Wonder if he is pulling Cashman's chain?

past 5-7 years. It violates so many obvious principals. Length of the deal for a player reliant on his legs AND with significant injury history, only played 150+ games twice in 6 years, not a great run producer, AND A not trade clause to boot.

UGH!

and how much of it was Hal Steinbrenner panicking after Cano went to Seattle.

In comment 13917195 Greg from LI said:

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and how much of it was Hal Steinbrenner panicking after Cano went to Seattle.

Whenever the Yankees make an obviously awful decision I just assume Levine is at the bottom of it.

Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran in rapid fire succession (I forget what order). I really didn't like any of those moves.

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and how much of it was Hal Steinbrenner panicking after Cano went to Seattle.

That's a good point. But at least Hal seems to be a guy who is reasonable and willing to listen and learn. Can you imagine if Hank-en-Stein was still in charge? We'd have the Ellsbury AND the Pujols contracts :-) And God knows what else.

for 3 more seasons after this - it seems Cashman (and Steinbrenner and company) finally learned their lesson after this one

Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.

What a buffoon.

Ellsbury as a Yankee: .264/.330/.386, many DL visits. All for the low low price of $150 million!

In comment 13917201 bceagle05 said:

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Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran in rapid fire succession (I forget what order). I really didn't like any of those moves.

McCann and Beltran were at least reasonably productive and they were able to turn them into three good pitching prospects in Abreu, Guzman and Tate. Beltran's leadership clearly left a positive impression as well, considering he got a managerial interview right after retiring.

There is not a single positive from this Ellsbury contract. It's immovable, he's an average player at best when he does manage to get in. And the frustrating part is most knew this at the time. It was not hard to envision things playing out this way. I wish we could get the real story and why it happened. Because it runs contrary to everything Cashman has done recently.

In comment 13917208 Greg from LI said:

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Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.

THIS!!!!!!! McAnn and Beltran were short term fixes with short, tradeable contracts. Ellsbury was just ridiculous. 7 years for an injury case with 1 gerat year out of 7.

has said on numerous occasions, when you let a player go to someone in your division, that is a red flag. The Red Sox didn't even offer him a contract.

In comment 13917226 mitch300 said:

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has said on numerous occasions, when you let a player go to someone in your division, that is a red flag. The Red Sox didn't even offer him a contract.

Proof that a stopped watch is right twice a day. :-)

were Cano's money and a panicked over reaction to Cano leaving probably heavily influenced by Levine and Trost convincing Hal that he'd lose ticket sales and ratings unless he made big free agent signings. More than teaching Cashman a lesson about more long term contracts it probably cost Levine and Trost a lot juice with Hal on baseball decisions. They both seem quite neutered lately which is a great thing.

In comment 13917208 Greg from LI said:

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Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.

Stupid thing was they had the exact same player on the team already in Gardner. And while Ells may have had a touch more power and was a better base stealer, Gardner was better in every other way, especially defense. Yep, definitely a panic move over Cano signing in Seattle (which I had no problem with for that much money.) I know I'm biased, but Gardner was always the better player because of reliability and defense.

In comment 13917237 section125 said:

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In comment 13917208 Greg from LI said: Quote: Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason. Stupid thing was they had the exact same player on the team already in Gardner. And while Ells may have had a touch more power and was a better base stealer, Gardner was better in every other way, especially defense. Yep, definitely a panic move over Cano signing in Seattle (which I had no problem with for that much money.) I know I'm biased, but Gardner was always the better player because of reliability and defense.

Gardy’s also always been a popular clubhouse/team leader guy. Ellsbury, while never being a bad guy, has always seemed to be quiet and kinda weird.

tendonitis. Cessa back.