“I don’t see Luck in this draft, and I don’t see Carson Wentz, who I liked a lot coming into the draft,” Payton said. “I’d feel a little bit uneasy if I were at the top of this draft and I decided I had to have a quarterback. The pressure to get a quarterback is so great in this league, I get that. But we can’t create ’em. I wouldn’t be surprised if only one of these guys is left standing in four or five years, and if so, I’d guess it would be Sam Darnold.”
Maybe Sean wants one to drop?? or maybe he's right
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how many times has it been stated by the wise.. word taken by all this time of year is basically lies.
My thought as well. Love the Wentz line too, I bet Payton didn’t think highly of him coming out either but now he’s the gold standard for prospects.
Still don’t believe him, I think he’s full of shit. Either wants one to drop, knows none will be in reach, or both. He’d be singing a much different tune if he were picking in the top 10. He also doesn’t have a 2nd to move up either so I’m guessing he hasn’t don’t much work at all on this QB class.
Doesnt mean they couldn’t trade up for one they like if he falls far enough
My thought as well. Love the Wentz line too, I bet Payton didn’t think highly of him coming out either but now he’s the gold standard for prospects.
My first thought too when I heard the comments. It's easy now to say you loved Wentz. As for Luck, he was a once a decade prospect. Waiting for a guy like that to come along (Peyton, Elway, etc.) before drafting a QB early will lead to lots of coaches being fired and franchises being a total mess. There's risk with 99.9% of these picks.
"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"
You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
My speculation comes from A. Payton is already a dishonest cheating scumbag and B. he’s got no shot at drafting any of these guys. Why should anyone believe what he says, good or bad?
If he just said “there’s no Luck in this draft” I’d have absolutely no problem with it. But then he lumps in a QB from a crap conference, who played 1 full season of college football.
I like Wentz, but as a prospect he wasn’t close to Luck.
They'll all be out of the league in 5 years?
OK Sean
"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"
You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?
Are they saying that nobody but Darnold is even going to be in the league. It is an insult to those other players and probably way off. Look, maybe none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick, that's debatable, but what Payton said was an insult to these talented young players.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT ALREADY. Literally not one single person, whether they're an NFL coach or a "guy who sits in his lounger" thinks this group of QBs is without flaws or that there are any "sure picks" among them. The problem is he cites Andrew Luck, then lumps Carson Wentz in with him. If the only time a team could draft a QB is when waiting for a Luck-type prospect, no one would ever draft QBs. Those guys rarely come around. Carson Wentz was no Andrew Luck as a prospect regardless of how Payton felt about him, so his comments come off as disengenous.
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This is what I've been saying all along.
"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"
You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?
All of these team's? What team's? The jets moved up. The bills? The Broncos? The browns are taking a quarterback at 1. These are the team's that we should be looking at in regards to drafting quarterbacks and this year's quarterback class
They have such a stellar track record. Losman, manziel, Sanchez, EJ Manuel, weeden, Tebow, q
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This is what I've been saying all along.
"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"
You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?
There's no consensus, Yat. Some people like this class; some people don't. I don't think there's a blue chip QB talent in this draft.
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In comment 13916475 Anakim said:
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This is what I've been saying all along.
"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"
You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?
All of these team's? What team's? The jets moved up. The bills? The Broncos? The browns are taking a quarterback at 1. These are the team's that we should be looking at in regards to drafting quarterbacks and this year's quarterback class
They have such a stellar track record. Losman, manziel, Sanchez, EJ Manuel, weeden, Tebow, quinn and that's not even talking free agents. They are all quarterback desperate team's. Not exactly the team's I would want to look at in regards to determining what type of quarterbacks are in this class.
No one is going to validate this class with their opinion. Not general managers, coaches, scouts or draft experts. It all depends on what Gettleman and pat shurmur think. They might be right or wrong.
Accorsi had a conviction on Eli Manning despite the naysayers. He could have taken different routes in getting a quarterback and I remember a lot of people screaming how the chargers fleeced us when they got merriman, kaeding and a host of other players.
I'm not suggesting that we should automatically draft a QB at 2. But if DG and Shurmur love one who's there when we're on the clock it would be crazy not to take him.
But certainly Payton's comments wouldn't factor into my decision. After all, who knows what his agenda is. And whether you think this is a good QB draft or not doesn't make it so, Anak. I'll trust Shurmur on this.
But I'll add that it would be foolish for the Giants to decide that Eli has many more good years in him. If we get one more I'll be grateful.
Yet they basically will all fail and will have other careers in a few years.
What an ass...
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In comment 13916475 Anakim said:
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This is what I've been saying all along.
"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"
You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?
There's no consensus, Yat. Some people like this class; some people don't. I don't think there's a blue chip QB talent in this draft.
The vast majority considers this QB class to be the most promising in years.