RUMOR: WGR reporting Giants and Bills have agreement in principle self.buffalobills
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Tony Pauline on WGR reports that the bills and Giants have an agreement in principle for the number two overall pick. He said that the Giants are waiting until they see who would drop to number two before they pull the trigger with the bills.
Sounds like if Browns take Allen the Giants will stay put at 2 and take Darnold, IMO
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I would completely expect to get a haul of picks and look for DG to deal back up for a blue chipper...
Say it goes
Browns - Darnold
Bills - Allen
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
I could see DG calling the Broncos about dealing back up to 5 for Barkley...
You would get the player you wouldve taken at 2, but get whatever picks you didnt have to give up to get back up to 5...
And maybe Browns take Barkley and you still secure Chubb...
Im loving the fact that we have no clue what is going on.... so refreshing from JR shananigans...
I would completely expect to get a haul of picks and look for DG to deal back up for a blue chipper...
Say it goes
Browns - Darnold
Bills - Allen
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
I could see DG calling the Broncos about dealing back up to 5 for Barkley...
You would get the player you wouldve taken at 2, but get whatever picks you didnt have to give up to get back up to 5...
And maybe Browns take Barkley and you still secure Chubb...
Im loving the fact that we have no clue what is going on.... so refreshing from JR shananigans...
He did NOT get blasted. The terms proposed got blasted by many here.
Its gotta be both 1sts, a first next year and number 53 in order to get this done
Don't rule out Quenton Nelson, either!
2) Why are all these scenarios sounding more and more like the movie Draft Day?
Ugh, that's right.
Don't rule out Quenton Nelson, either!
You're zany...!
Don't rule out Quenton Nelson, either!
That certainly narrows it down. LOL
Id be thrilled to have 2 first round picks, 3 second round picks, 3 third round picks, 2 fourth round picks and 2 firsts in 2019.
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Also said Norwell to the Giants was a done deal.
Ugh, that's right.
That's not the only one. Here are a few from Pauline.
The belief is that Andrew Norwell to the New York Giants is a done deal.
Just about everyone believes linebacker Anthony Hitchens will end up with the Indianapolis Colts
He said Richburg to the Jets.
So. He's not exactly batting 1.000
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Wouldnt be thrilled about dropping to 12
Id be thrilled to have 2 first round picks, 3 second round picks, 3 third round picks, 2 fourth round picks and 2 firsts in 2019.
Assuming all the picks would be offered.
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Wouldnt be thrilled about dropping to 12
Id be thrilled to have 2 first round picks, 3 second round picks, 3 third round picks, 2 fourth round picks and 2 firsts in 2019.
Assuming all the picks would be offered.
Im just referring to whats been rumored. And if its true, I think I prefer it to all scenarios being that this roster has a ton of holes. And maybe we have a new GM that can make third round picks work.
Who would be our targets at 12 and 22?
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i said the belief from many is there's an agreement in principal but i did not say it has anything to do with the Browns pick nor did i say it is guaranteed to happen.
Don't rule out Quenton Nelson, either!
Actually it's Fitzpatrick cause no one is talking about him at all
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Dont worry, Gettleman will do exactly that. Then make them throw in their kick returner just because.
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So, we're almost certain to take Barkley... but we're also going to trade with Buffalo if they take Darnold... but we also will take Rosen because he's the guy we've been hiding the best.. but we're probably going to take Chubb.
Don't rule out Quenton Nelson, either!
Actually it's Fitzpatrick cause no one is talking about him at all
But what if Baker Mayfield is the player they REALLY covet?
I think your math might be a bit off. Maybe mine is. I'm not sure. Lol
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So, we're almost certain to take Barkley... but we're also going to trade with Buffalo if they take Darnold... but we also will take Rosen because he's the guy we've been hiding the best.. but we're probably going to take Chubb.
Don't rule out Quenton Nelson, either!
Actually it's Fitzpatrick cause no one is talking about him at all
But what if Baker Mayfield is the player they REALLY covet?
Don't COVET your neighbor's QB
The Bills know how hard it is to find a QB. I hope our management knows this as well.
Yup. I've been saying this all along. Giants make the Jets sweat it out and get their 2019 #1 for swapping picks.
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If the Giants are set on Barkley, wouldn't be a bad maneuver to potentially make the Jets sweat a bit by floating out the possibility of a bills move up.
Yup. I've been saying this all along. Giants make the Jets sweat it out and get their 2019 #1 for swapping picks.
your out of your mind if you think the jets are going to give you a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot...that is ridiculous
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If the Giants are set on Barkley, wouldn't be a bad maneuver to potentially make the Jets sweat a bit by floating out the possibility of a bills move up.
Yup. I've been saying this all along. Giants make the Jets sweat it out and get their 2019 #1 for swapping picks.
your out of your mind if you think the jets are going to give you a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot...that is ridiculous
They'd be giving up next year's first to guarantee they get the QB they want and the Bills don't jump them and take that guy. It's far from a rediculous trade. Look at what the Bears gave up last year to swap with SF.
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In comment 13919763 Giantfan in skinland said:
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If the Giants are set on Barkley, wouldn't be a bad maneuver to potentially make the Jets sweat a bit by floating out the possibility of a bills move up.
Yup. I've been saying this all along. Giants make the Jets sweat it out and get their 2019 #1 for swapping picks.
your out of your mind if you think the jets are going to give you a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot...that is ridiculous
They'd be giving up next year's first to guarantee they get the QB they want and the Bills don't jump them and take that guy. It's far from a rediculous trade. Look at what the Bears gave up last year to swap with SF.
how does two 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder equal a 1st rounder? LOL
cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.
jeez.. forget about Barkley. He isn't worth this much agita. He's just a back man. There's a good chance Guice or Michel or Jones will be better. The Barkley hysteria is out of control.
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to draft Barkley @ #4, they will. Too risky for me.
jeez.. forget about Barkley. He isn't worth this much agita. He's just a back man. There's a good chance Guice or Michel or Jones will be better. The Barkley hysteria is out of control.
Not as out of control as your bizarre obsession with posting about him over and over and over again... but carry on.
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.
cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.
Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.
Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.
Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.
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to draft Barkley @ #4, they will. Too risky for me.
jeez.. forget about Barkley. He isn't worth this much agita. He's just a back man. There's a good chance Guice or Michel or Jones will be better. The Barkley hysteria is out of control.
Not as out of control as your bizarre obsession with posting about him over and over and over again... but carry on.
haha cmon you have to admit the constant hyperventilating and reading of tea leaves at every utterance "means it is gonna be Barkley" or "we can still get Barkley" or "then we trade up and get Barkley" it's just plain stupid. It's like these guys never watched a game of football. "OMG he's the next Barry Sanders" Guess what, Barry Sanders was an awesome back but he never won shit. Most of the great backs didn't win much. QBs win Super Bowls. Not RBs.
The Giants Bills talk is about as likely as the talk about Odell was.
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.
cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.
Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.
Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.
Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.
look I wouldnt do this trade WITH the Bills 2019 #1. So if the Giants do this trade without it, I think they are as dumb as shit.
As for the Jets, I don't think they are sweating this. I think they want Rosen or Mayfield. So Buffalo jumps ahead for either Allen or Rosen (would be my guess). So the Jets will get Rosen or Mayfield. I don't think they give a ransom to go from 3 to 2. Yea maybe a second round pick.
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.
cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.
Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.
Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.
Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.
look I wouldnt do this trade WITH the Bills 2019 #1. So if the Giants do this trade without it, I think they are as dumb as shit.
As for the Jets, I don't think they are sweating this. I think they want Rosen or Mayfield. So Buffalo jumps ahead for either Allen or Rosen (would be my guess). So the Jets will get Rosen or Mayfield. I don't think they give a ransom to go from 3 to 2. Yea maybe a second round pick.
I agree with you about who the Jets want. I think it's one of those two as well.
The thing is though this is just speculation with another week to go and who knows how it shakes out? What if the Browns fool everyone and grab either Rosen or Mayfield? With Buffalo knocking on the Giants door for the #2, I think the Jets could very well get antsy.
That's really the only point I was trying to make. Not that I think it would happen only that it could, and if so I'd ask for that 2019 #1 and go from there.
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.
cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.
Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.
Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.
Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.
look I wouldnt do this trade WITH the Bills 2019 #1. So if the Giants do this trade without it, I think they are as dumb as shit.
As for the Jets, I don't think they are sweating this. I think they want Rosen or Mayfield. So Buffalo jumps ahead for either Allen or Rosen (would be my guess). So the Jets will get Rosen or Mayfield. I don't think they give a ransom to go from 3 to 2. Yea maybe a second round pick.
I agree with you about who the Jets want. I think it's one of those two as well.
The thing is though this is just speculation with another week to go and who knows how it shakes out? What if the Browns fool everyone and grab either Rosen or Mayfield? With Buffalo knocking on the Giants door for the #2, I think the Jets could very well get antsy.
That's really the only point I was trying to make. Not that I think it would happen only that it could, and if so I'd ask for that 2019 #1 and go from there.
yea never hurts to ask. I guess we dont know what any of these teams is going to do. If Cleveland go Mayfield that would be a shocker. But it's possible the Giants will take Mayfield I guess and therefore if the Browns love him they have to take him first or risk losing him. I for one think the Giants should take Rosen and I think they will. There just hasnt been enough chatter about Rosen and I think it is strange since they met with him as much or more than they have with all the other qbs.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????
hahahaahah... thank you for the proper reality check!!
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????
In case you didn't notice, the Bills traded away anything that even resembled a QB that was on their roster.
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????
In case you didn't notice, the Bills traded away anything that even resembled a QB that was on their roster.
but they added AJ Mc and they are going to add a QB. Even if they dont jump up and get one of the top-4 (which I am confident they will - i think at worst they will deal with the Browns at 4) they can add Lamar or Mason with one of their late firsts.
^^^^ This
Its about getting the most value out of the pick, no matter what you chose to do. Be prepared for all scenarios. If the decision is to trade back, then you need to have the frameworks of the deals already prepared, and then sell the pick to the highest bidder at the last moment creating a sense of urgency which also increases the perceived value.
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In comment 13919740 larryflower37 said:
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.
Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????
In case you didn't notice, the Bills traded away anything that even resembled a QB that was on their roster.
but they added AJ Mc and they are going to add a QB. Even if they dont jump up and get one of the top-4 (which I am confident they will - i think at worst they will deal with the Browns at 4) they can add Lamar or Mason with one of their late firsts.
Yes they did... But I agree, I don't think they have any intention of going into the season with just AJM as a viable option.
Who would be our targets at 12 and 22?
I totally agree with your package of return. Giants are giving up an opportunity to choose a blue chip player and Bills will pick in front of the Jets. With the franchise QB Bills will get, next years No. 1 will be a low pick. I wouldn't do it for any less.
Agreed. I dont think they are trading down at all.
That's my thinking as well.
DG has a top QB in mind and if he's there, he most likely takes him. If not he takes who he thinks is the highest rated non QB in the draft.
For me, the question is Barkley or Chubb, if Darnold is gone.
For me, the question is Barkley or Chubb, if Darnold is gone.
RD1, pick 12
RD1, pick 22
RD2, pick 53
RD3, pick 65 (1st pick of RD3)
Next years RD1 pick
Nate Peterman (because they have McCarron + the QB at 2 and it gives NYG two bites of the proverbial QB apple with the most likely scenario being Webb is heir to Eli throne and Peterman being his back-up)
Then the draft might look something like this:
RD1 12: RT Mike McGlinchey
RD1 22: LG Isiah Wynn
RD2 34: CB Isiah Oliver
RD2 53: RB Rashard Penny
RD3 65: WR Equanameous St. Brown
RD3 66: FS Armani Watts
RD3 69: LB Darius Leonard
RD4 108: DE Duke Ejoifor
RD5 139: RG Tony Adams
plus 2 # 1s next year.
If the Gmen don't get a QB, they'll find themselves in a similar situation that the Bills are in the future. A with some offensive pieces without a QB, that have to trade a way a ton of resources to get within the range of a potential franchise QB in the draft.
On the the other hand, you'd be betting on the Bills being cellar dwellers next season, so any picks you acquire will very likely be within range for a QB next season
That's fine. If not, I walk away and tell them to continue to enjoy playing with the caliber of QB they've had essentially since Jim Kelly.
I agree. As fans we always ask for a haul of picks.
Is it wise to miss out on a blue chip talent for more picks in the 2 and 3rd rounds?
You thinking that's the pick?
I don't think that's accurate in the general sense. It's specific to what positions you're looking at. There will absolutely be high quality talent past pick 20 if you're looking for cornerbacks, for example.
Is it wise to miss out on a blue chip talent for more picks in the 2 and 3rd rounds?
Most analysts feel there's only 6-8 blue chips, depending how they grade the QBs. So, the drop in terms of how it could impact NYG starts around picks 6-8.
My guess is that if Darnold is off the board or they do not love any of the QB's...they try and trade back. I do think they like Rosen enough to draft him in the first round...just not at #2. So do this trade with the Bills and drop back. If a QB they like gets past #5...they can trade back up to grab him.
There is no reason to believe that the Giants can't trade with the Bills and slide back up into a top 10 position and take a guy they like. Who my guess would be Rosen.
My guess is that if Darnold is off the board or they do not love any of the QB's...they try and trade back. I do think they like Rosen enough to draft him in the first round...just not at #2. So do this trade with the Bills and drop back. If a QB they like gets past #5...they can trade back up to grab him.
There is no reason to believe that the Giants can't trade with the Bills and slide back up into a top 10 position and take a guy they like. Who my guess would be Rosen.
Gambling that Rosen, or any of the top 4 QBs, will be there at 12 is a very risky bet. They could drop to 5. But that's it.
Agreed. I still think the mostly scenario is that they take Darnold or Barkley, in that order. But the most they will do is drop down to five to ensure that they get one of Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson.
That would be unfortunate. Nothing against you, but there's absolutely nothing to be gained from the team providing you, or any fan, in on their strategy. Reese's inability to keep things in-house was a huge detriment in recent years.
Anyway, i'm with you.. i'd certainly open to trading down, but i covet that 5th pick... not the 12th. Give me Nelson or Barkley at #5 and two extra 2nds (one this year, one next) and maybe their 4th rounder ... to move down those 3 spots to get the guy i wanted anyway... and I'm happy.
But, I'm also guessing Denver is ultimately comfortable to stay at 5 and see what Keenum gives them this year while letting one of their younger QBs learn on the sidelines.
This year I am a very big fan of trading down for that reason. At 7, for example, we would add a bunch of picks plus salary cap room vs. staying at 2, and still probably get a blue chip. Something like 7 plus mid-20s plus more down the line plus something next year would provide a very nice haul.I think there is a very good chance Nelson is still on the board at 7. Also Denzel Ward, the consensus best cb, Fitzpatrick and Tremain Edwwards. Edwards is a giant of a kid who could fit perfectly on the edge in a 3-4--6 4 1/2, 253 and only 19 years old.
Plus, Gettleman likes to use picks to move up within a round. Trading down in round one could help with that.
Not so sure DG will pick a CB high tho, he seems to devalue the position when it comes time to pay them a second pro contract. Definitely could use one in the pipeline.
A couple of things to chat about. I am starting to write a book.