He is building an absolutely awesome roster in Jacksonville. I felt at the time that we fired the wrong guy a couple of years back. TC just downright knows football and Mara knew it when he said he hated letting all that knowledge leave the building. But whatever its history.
Jacksonville is gonna be good for a while and they’re gonna be nasty.
Hats off TC.
You are absolutely correct. The GM, Caldwell, does Tom's bidding. Tom runs the football operations.
Not in title, but if you don't think his handprint isn't all over that team, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's funny how the jaguars team when Coughlin was first brought in, the giants and now current jaguars all have similar staples...strong offensive line, running game and pass rushers
But he isn't the GM
Mara has wanted this to end well for everyone, he's been falling on his face for 3 straight years because of it. Hopefully this dorky cycle of striving for continuity and not hurting feelings is over.
Good for Tom, he's a good football guy. He also stepped into a situation with tons of cap room and a bunch of highly drafted players from years of being awful.
Yup! Only team in NFL history to pick top 5 for 5 consecutive years. Coughlin has very little to do with the success of the Jaguars last year or even this year. The majority of the talent was already in place. The credit needs to go to Doug Marrone. He's a great coach and it constantly gets overlooked.
But Puz retired . They need a backer who can honk it up out there against the run. Mack and Smith are insanely fast , but they are still vulnerable to straight ahead, Bogart runs . The inside guys didn’t match their value board relative to their slot , I guess .
This is Coughlin’s team . Last season Marrone remarked that he spent more time with Tom than he did his wife . Tom regrets his inability to communicate with his staff from the booth upstairs . That’s about as hands on as it gets . But Marrone & Caldwell are smart enough to welcome TC’s vast knowledge of the game . The Giants weren’t . The solution was right in front of their faces . Ownership didn’t have the balls to execute it .
What the fuck are you trying to say?
But Puz retired . They need a backer who can honk it up out there against the run. Mack and Smith are insanely fast , but they are still vulnerable to straight ahead, Bogart runs . The inside guys didn’t match their value board relative to their slot , I guess .
This is Coughlin’s team . Last season Marrone remarked that he spent more time with Tom than he did his wife . Tom regrets his inability to communicate with his staff from the booth upstairs . That’s about as hands on as it gets . But Marrone & Caldwell are smart enough to welcome TC’s vast knowledge of the game . The Giants weren’t . The solution was right in front of their faces . Ownership didn’t have the balls to execute it .
I look at the Bryant and Harrison picks as luxury items that will pay off next year. Malik Jackson and Barry Church can be cap casualties as they dump a pile of cash in Ramsey's lap. Bryant and Harrison can serve as rotation guys this year and take over the starting roles next year without the defense missing a beat.
But Puz retired . They need a backer who can honk it up out there against the run. Mack and Smith are insanely fast , but they are still vulnerable to straight ahead, Bogart runs . The inside guys didn’t match their value board relative to their slot , I guess .
This is Coughlin’s team . Last season Marrone remarked that he spent more time with Tom than he did his wife . Tom regrets his inability to communicate with his staff from the booth upstairs . That’s about as hands on as it gets . But Marrone & Caldwell are smart enough to welcome TC’s vast knowledge of the game . The Giants weren’t . The solution was right in front of their faces . Ownership didn’t have the balls to execute it .
Tom Coughlin needed to step away from coaching. It was clear that his message was no longer getting through. Now if only we had gone with a better coach than McAdoo it probably would have worked. I don’t think Marrone would have had the same success here because he is too similar to Coughlin.
Khan knew what he was doing when he suggested to TC that he run the whole thing and then backed away and let him do it.
Laurel and Hardy in the owners' box didn't. They fucked up big time. Let's see if DG can navigate around Jawn's need to stick his nose into football operations. Frankly, the draft is an indication that he can't but will see. Let's hope Barkley is all that and the bag of chips his fervent admirers believe he is and pray for Eli's continued good health.
Gee the Giants could have done the EXACT same thing but we already have a Senior Vice President, Player Personnel.
An Executive who probably was partially responsible for many of the horrible decisions Giants have made the past few years
CHRIS MARA
so don't blame Reese for this
blame Nepotism
Or more. '08 - we'd had more @WR than plax, in '10 our ST would have had a real punter, or at least better pursuers than our miss and watch huge on DJs romp to the EZ, and DG would NOT let that OL get bad enough to collapse the last 1/2 of '12, nor would the last 5 seasons have happened.
how?? The only mistake was hiring McAdoo when we let coughlin go after missing the playoffs 4 straight year sand 3 losing seasons in a row
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That roster way before Tom got there. They can’t but do it with all those high picks
Haters going to hate. The 5 years before TC got there and hired Marrone: 3-13, 5-11, 3-3, 4-12, 2-14. Yep, awesome and obvious accumulation of talent there as they managed 1 more win than when they started the rebuild. Hilariously, this is where our now departed GM scouted for linebacker talent. Idiot.
Khan knew what he was doing when he suggested to TC that he run the whole thing and then backed away and let him do it.
Laurel and Hardy in the owners' box didn't. They fucked up big time. Let's see if DG can navigate around Jawn's need to stick his nose into football operations. Frankly, the draft is an indication that he can't but will see. Let's hope Barkley is all that and the bag of chips his fervent admirers believe he is and pray for Eli's continued good health.
He didn’t even hire Marrone. lol
Blah. The only mistake was hiring that clown McAdoo.
2017 - added Cam Robinson, Calais Campbell (signed DPOY for less than we signed JPP), tried to get Branden Albert as well even though that didn't work out, re-emphasized their running game too
2018 - added Norwell at the expense of letting some skill players sign elsewhere, drafted a future replacement for Campbell since he's already 31.
If Reese (and Mcadoo) had done what Coughlin did in the 2017 offseason instead of spending money on Marshall and JPP they'd both still have jobs here.
Coughlin is a great football mind, one of the truly successful men of this generation, and the Giants were lucky to have him. These generations of fans will look back and have a golden age of New York Football Giants success to remember fondly.
There's no need to pretend the last few years of his coaching tenure were not impressive. The front office was the right move for him. His pride wasn't going to let him do that as a Giant, and the circumstances wouldn't have allowed it.
There's also no need to pretend like Jacksonville wasn't a team with a lot of young talent, a lot of cap space, a good owner and a remedy made situation with a very good head coaching candidate right there in the building.
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That roster way before Tom got there. They can’t but do it with all those high picks
Haters going to hate. The 5 years before TC got there and hired Marrone: 3-13, 5-11, 3-3, 4-12, 2-14.
That's exactly where the high picks that make that defense and got them Fournette came from. Quit playing yourself.
Coughlin is a great football mind, one of the truly successful men of this generation, and the Giants were lucky to have him. These generations of fans will look back and have a golden age of New York Football Giants success to remember fondly.
There's no need to pretend the last few years of his coaching tenure were not impressive. The front office was the right move for him. His pride wasn't going to let him do that as a Giant, and the circumstances wouldn't have allowed it.
There's also no need to pretend like Jacksonville wasn't a team with a lot of young talent, a lot of cap space, a good owner and a remedy made situation with a very good head coaching candidate right there in the building.
Right and ballsy thing to do would have been to replace Reese or Chris Mara with Coughlin.
Too much to expect from an organization that threw Gilbride, Fewell, Coughlin, and Eli under the bus.
I would have been a supporter of tossing out Reese and going with TC as the GM if that was an option.
As a front office guy, he’s doing well it seems. Credit to the GM and coach but Tom gets some too.
One thing to remember, though - TC HAD INPUT ON REESE’S PICKS.
I know ppl gloss over that and want to blame Reese for everything but it’s widely known a few of Reese’s busts were actually TC busts.
Anyway, good luck to him. He was part of two championships here and gave his all as a coach.
Hard to argue with this.