Hope we can Complete a Screen Pass this Year

these do is give people a chance to take more free shots at eli.

They don't have any metrics to show he's bad at screen passes. He just is. Unless he has a back who can catch. Then he still is, but the wonderback bails him out.

It is past the point of inane hilarity.

He cant throw long
He cant throw short or screens
He throws too high on intermediate throws.

How the hell did he ever deserve a chance to start?

In comment 13951040 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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these do is give people a chance to take more free shots at eli. They don't have any metrics to show he's bad at screen passes. He just is. Unless he has a back who can catch. Then he still is, but the wonderback bails him out. It is past the point of inane hilarity.

You're right, but I still can't stand it. People act like Eli is Trent Dilfer or the like outside of a couple of games in the post season.

In comment 13951048 dep026 said:

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He cant throw long He cant throw short or screens He throws too high on intermediate throws. How the hell did he ever deserve a chance to start?

I know you are being sarcastic, but we can concede that Eli has had issues with touch on some short throws. But, let's not ignore how successful the screen was with Barber and Bradshaw on the receiving end. I don't think anyone here could seriously argue that Eli is the equal of Brady. But, the amount of hate for him I simply will never understand. He has been an excellent QB for us for more than a decade.

In fact, I actually think one of his best seasons was 2010. Yes, he threw 25 INTs. But, that was the crazy year with all the tipped passes and wrong routes run. It seemed like he was en route to monster games every week outside the one or two big mental lapses by receivers that year.

The last two years I honestly believe were on McAdoo and Eli has a lot left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWW0-JpmkQk


just wish I had a metric...

metrics are always better than choosing one failed screen pass.

I think you know the difference, but I'm really not fucking sure.

you know i was just giving you shit for a silly comment...

since it was only his first pass of the season.

He needed to get warmed up...

it was his fault,like always.

the Reuben Randle who went on after the Giants to make multiple All-Pro teams??

Oh that's right - it is an eli thread and guess who shows up??

In comment 13951144 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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the Reuben Randle who went on after the Giants to make multiple All-Pro teams?? Oh that's right - it is an eli thread and guess who shows up??

i love these eli cannot dance threads.

on all those failed screens. You just never saw that because the screen failed closer the LOS...

Eli is a Hall of Fame QB who is good at almost everything. Scrambling for first downs and throwing screen passes are two things he's not good at. But knowing now what I didn't know in 2004 I'd sign up for the Eli trade every time. One of my top 10 all time favorite NY players period in all sports.

of throwing screen passes. His short throws don't have the same touch as his deep ball, and there are other QBs that execute the short throw better, but he is more than fine at it.

The problem, again, is that our offensive line is atrocious. Defenses had no reason to sell-out to bum-rush the QB. They were getting pressure with minimal effort and could keep linebackers at home.

On top of that, we haven't exactly had the most sure-handed running backs in the receiving game either. I was excited for Vereen, but due to the O-Line issues, everything he could do was negated.

Eli we trust to sink or swim, lets not forget he's got lead feet, lol.

Eli is 4th worst in NFL

Name Team Yds Total Screen Yds Screen Yds %
Nick Foles PHI 2891 474 16.4%
Alex D. Smith KC 3313 472 14.2%
Andy Dalton CIN 4294 549 12.8%
Chad Henne JAX 3241 409 12.6%
Cam Newton CAR 3379 389 11.5%
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 4276 481 11.2%
Terrelle Pryor OAK 1798 200 11.1%
Aaron Rodgers GB 2536 275 10.8%
Matthew Stafford DET 4647 490 10.5%
Peyton Manning DEN 5477 575 10.5%
Josh McCown CHI 1829 192 10.5%
Robert Griffin III WAS 3203 314 9.8%
Tom Brady NE 4343 410 9.4%
Christian Ponder MIN 1648 149 9.0%
Matt Cassel MIN 1807 151 8.4%
Sam Bradford SL 1689 141 8.3%
Russell Wilson SEA 3357 266 7.9%
Matt Ryan ATL 4515 357 7.9%
Andrew Luck IND 3822 299 7.8%
Geno Smith NYJ 3036 237 7.8%
Jason Campbell CLV 2015 151 7.5%
Philip Rivers SD 4478 326 7.3%
Drew Brees NO 5162 328 6.4%
Matthew McGloin OAK 1547 91 5.9%
Carson Palmer ARZ 4274 217 5.1%
Ryan Tannehill MIA 3913 186 4.8%
Ryan Fitzpatrick TEN 2462 116 4.7%
Tony Romo DAL 3844 175 4.6%
Matt Schaub HST 2310 104 4.5%
Case Keenum HST 1760 74 4.2%
Colin Kaepernick SF 3197 129 4.0%
Jay Cutler CHI 2621 102 3.9%
E.J. Manuel BUF 1972 75 3.8%
Joe Flacco BLT 3912 126 3.2%
Eli Manning NYG 3818 99 2.6%
Kellen Clemens SL 1673 38 2.3%
Mike Glennon TB 2608 39 1.5%
Brandon Weeden CLV 1731 16 0.9%

Here is a video example from 2017 that shows that Eli hasnt progressed much with entirely new players, coaches and schemes

Eli Screen Pass - ( New Window )

An we stop speaking in absolutes? He’s terrible at this terrible at that? Same offenders every thread. Same, over the top exaggerated crap. You get called out and move to the next thread where you shit all over it once again with the same exaggerated horse crap. Rinse repeat.

On what he's good at. It's year 14. I prefer having some data to go by, but only a certified Homer would pretend he was ever tremendously accurate. It took an offense built around the 5 and 7 yard slant to get him consistently above 60%.

Our RB's can't catch
Our OL gets pushed back into either Eli or the RB, making the play break down.

Its completely illogical to think Eli can't throw a 5 yard pass

In comment 13952402 twostepgiants said:

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Eli is 4th worst in NFL

OK, but where did you get this data? His RB's in 2014 were Andre Williams and Rashad Jennings, neither would remind anyone of Tiki. Context matters. If you can point to seasons when he had good receiving backs and still had poor numbers, fine, but cherry-picking one season when he had poor RB's who were even worse receivers isn't exactly fair.

I think I found the source of the stats about the screens.

In 2014, Eli only attempted 14 screen to RB's all year. He completed 9 of them for 42 yards.

Such a small sample size. Does Eli not throw the screen well or dis the system rarely utilize them?
Look at bottom of page - ( New Window )

In comment 13952563 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I think I found the source of the stats about the screens. In 2014, Eli only attempted 14 screen to RB's all year. He completed 9 of them for 42 yards. Such a small sample size. Does Eli not throw the screen well or dis the system rarely utilize them? Look at bottom of page - ( New Window )

I can play the position. He can throw them, it just is not a strength. There is this extra flick of the wrist to get more spin on the ball that makes it float, and you throw to a location rather than directly at the back. Eli, far too often throws it right to the back with no loft at all. They are professionals, they should be able to catch what they put their hands on. It is harder on so short a pass though, so little time for the back to react. You have to lead the back to the open space because you can see the defense in a way the back cannot because he is trying to sell the screen. Eli is mediocre at the screen pass. I have watched every game the man has played as most of you have. Anyone really think he does it well?

to think Eli throws a good screen pass. I hardly ever post what I am about to say but it really warrants it...

"Do you guys even watch the games?"

I also can't believe I have to say this but it warrants it...

"If you watch the games and still think Eli is good at throwing screens...you are the definition of a Giant homer".