What are everyone's thoughts on Evan Engram?

good blocker. Potential to be a superior tight end, but probably fall short of that elite level.

he is good bc if not then team has another huge hole.

A lot. I think the new regime will take advantage of his ability to create mismatches with his size/speed combo. I’d like to see him clean up some of the drops and continue to improve his blocking, but I think those issues are pretty common for rookie TE’s.

Part of the new TE breed. Very solid rookie year. A lot to like. Need to reel in the drops and cut down on those - but he's a tremendous talent and will be a major asset going forward.

everyone is pretty bullish on Engram. Personally, I would play him on the boundary a lot more (as a WR). He has the speed to take the top off the defense and draw safety coverage, and he's a size mismatch. He's going to probably be the 3A option in the offense (Shepard 3B). We all know the other 2 guys. With just Beckham and Barkley, the offense would work well with JAGS around it. But it's the presence of Engram and Shepard that will truly help this offense reach new heights. It's up to Eli to stir the drink.

But specifically speaking of Engram, I think he has the potential to be the best receiving TE in football, I do believe that.

A mismatch in size with those who can match his speed and speed for those who can match his size. Less than average blocker which is to be expected for a 235 lb guy being matched up against DLs and LBs who all as big or much bigger.

actually use Ellison the way he was supposed to be used. That will also help with the running game. Remember, Shurmur was his OC in 2016

how tough it is for a rookie TE to learn the position.

Engram had 64 catches and 722 yards his rookie year. That's the most catches and yards for a rookie TE since Shockey in 2002. I think it's the third most behind Shockey and Ditka all time.

Big time potential. If he can be league average in terms of blocking and catches, the sky is the limit.

Is there actually anyone here who doesn't like Engram?

What I envision is a lot more 2 TE sets with Engram moving around and ending up in the slot or split wide, while Ellison is more in-line or in the backfield. There should be a very significant decrease in the 11 personnel packages.

In comment 13951025 Big Blue '56 said:

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actually use Ellison the way he was supposed to be used. That will also help with the running game. Remember, Shurmur was his OC in 2016

This... he was the forgotten man last year. Good example of how out of sync Reese and McAdoo were in terms of personnel. Hardly played Ellison, even when we needed the blocking help, and even Brandon Marshall was misused. McAdoo had him running routes that guys like Greg Jennings are designed for. Marshall was always a size/matchup player.

and occasionally longer? It could be very taxing for defenses to have to deal with OBJ, Shep, EE and Saquon.

In comment 13950968 NorwoodWideRight said:

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good blocker. Potential to be a superior tight end, but probably fall short of that elite level.

He is not a good blocker.

He has some things he needs to improve on. 11 dropped passes. Improve consistency with pass blocking for example. He has some work to do.

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In comment 13950968 NorwoodWideRight said: Quote: good blocker. Potential to be a superior tight end, but probably fall short of that elite level. He is not a good blocker.

But better than Gesiki (Penn State) in this year's draft.

One of the few bright spots in an otherwise forgettable season.

Great recieving talent and willing blocker.

in the league.

I expect him to catapult from last year's initiation and have a big year.

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In comment 13950968 NorwoodWideRight said: Quote: good blocker. Potential to be a superior tight end, but probably fall short of that elite level. He is not a good blocker.

He'll never be a dominating blocker. But he sticks his nose in there, gives good effort and at least ties up the defender long enough for the play to happen.

isn't the most accurate comparison. He isn't and won't be the blocker that Shockey was. He's somewhere in between a TE and a WR.

Look at his PFF rating, it isn't perfect but the low rating certainly isn't a reflection of who he is as a receiver. I don't take these as the gospel but their methodology is solid, it isn't junk. Think he has a long way to go as a blocker. (His effort is there though)

In comment 13951180 bw in dc said:

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in the league. I expect him to catapult from last year's initiation and have a big year.

Wait! Why TF are you saying something nice about a Giants’ player? That is NOT in your contract

I think he will be used more as a wide receiver this year and will be the big target that Eli likes.

Excellent pass catching TE with a speed mismatch.

Not in Shockey league at this point. Still a long way to go to reach Shockeys level.

In comment 13951188 Big Blue '56 said:

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Wait! Why TF are you saying something nice about a Giants’ player? That is NOT in your contract

I get so mischaracterized around here...

Needs to work on the drops, but the talent is undeniable.

but he is a talented young man for sure...

That stood out last year on a team of quitters.

In comment 13950980 allstarjim said:

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everyone is pretty bullish on Engram. Personally, I would play him on the boundary a lot more (as a WR). He has the speed to take the top off the defense and draw safety coverage, and he's a size mismatch. He's going to probably be the 3A option in the offense (Shepard 3B). We all know the other 2 guys. With just Beckham and Barkley, the offense would work well with JAGS around it. But it's the presence of Engram and Shepard that will truly help this offense reach new heights. It's up to Eli to stir the drink. But specifically speaking of Engram, I think he has the potential to be the best receiving TE in football, I do believe that.

Agreed

as a pass catcher. Elite skillset and I'm excited to see what he does in the new system. Lots of upside with Engram.

...wide receiver one day!

he's not much more than a possession receiver. Never seems to make big gains after the catch. Seems to get dropped by first contact more often than not.

Decent blocker from what I could tell, but I am hardly an expert.

1) I hope he spent 45 minutes a day during the offseason, working with a Jugs machine.

2) I hope he spent 10 minutes 3 times a day, watching videos of Plaxico or Gronk blocking.

Seems like an easy guy to root for.

Only God can judge

He could be used to help barkely along the way to the end zone.

As 2nd TE, Slot, Wide.

I still don't see your 'extra OL type TE ' on the roster.

But seriously, I do expect him to have significantly more running room (after catch stuff) in the new system ....and also assumung the RBs get going.

what last year‘s team could’ve done with this year’s offensive line.

a creative coach.

Where did that bogus number come from?

with OBJ and Shepard, and Barkley in the backfield. How'd you like to be the DC that had to defend that!?

Plaxico Burress/ Kelvin Benjamin type. A big wide receiver with superior blocking skills in the intermediate and deep zones.

With a running start, I've NEVER seen anybody destroy so many corners and safeties blocking for our RBs (as Plaxico did)

In-line blocking, I just don't want to Engram clobbered by 300+ linemen.

Ellison in line left, adams or whomever, in line right (no slot)

RB run outside left. Beck's wide right.

Play action right maybe.QB run right. Beck's cross leftwards.

another level to match the hype. Not a great blocker, too many drops, and I don't see him running away from defenders. Still young, hopefully he'll continue to grow as a player.

The two guys who gave me the most grief when I had the Giants drafting him in the first round last year are still down on him. He's still a reach for Jimmy, and he still hasn't impressed Bill.

Engram was robbed of a spot at the Pro Bowl. I know, it's a popularity contest, but still. He put up better numbers than the three NFC TEs who bot chosen: Greg Olsen, Jordan Reed, and Jimmy Graham.

I'm hoping for the big leap from year 1, to year 2. And he was one of the youngest players in the league. But as much as EE looks the part, he had quite a few drive stopping drops. And I don't recall any spectacular grabs. For much of last year I wondered, would we have been better off with Ryan Ramcyck?

Not drafting any WR's or TE's, he definitely is an important piece to this Giant resurrection.

In comment 13950968 NorwoodWideRight said:

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good blocker. Potential to be a superior tight end, but probably fall short of that elite level.

THats my take as well. He will be a very good player occasional wow plays with that speed of his. So so blocker but he will have a nice career. Not sure he will be the toughest bad ass TE ever but he will be a valuable cog here.

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In comment 13951635 Klaatu said:

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The two guys who gave me the most grief when I had the Giants drafting him in the first round last year are still down on him. He's still a reach for Jimmy, and he still hasn't impressed Bill. Engram was robbed of a spot at the Pro Bowl. I know, it's a popularity contest, but still. He put up better numbers than the three NFC TEs who bot chosen: Greg Olsen, Jordan Reed, and Jimmy Graham.

I didn't give you any grief on Engram. I have been consistent from start that I really liked him (and still really do). But to me he was a guy that could have been had in the beginning of Rd 2 and maybe mid Rd 2.

But Reese & Co desperately needed a TE since it was one of his forgotten positions, and one who could get downfield to alleviate coverage to OBJ. So we pulled any early trigger versus making some moves to get him at a more appropriate spot and another guy to boot.

I am high on him though as we all should be.

Of dropsies last year. At least partially resulting from Mac Ball ...being down to limited, obvious, abbreviated routes to move the chains, DBs just waiting like vultures.

Once they get the various functions working off each other one expects people with one man to beat.. not whole parties.

At WR even more this year with Lattimire being the second best option

In comment 13950978 arcarsenal said:

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Part of the new TE breed. Very solid rookie year. A lot to like. Need to reel in the drops and cut down on those - but he's a tremendous talent and will be a major asset going forward.

First thing I thought of was the drops. Besides the occasional concentration lapse he’s excellent and a much much better blocker than he gets credit for.

The Giants had the worst coaching staff in the NFL last season. And McAdoof had his shitty little paws all over the offense so one can only imagine the negative impact his moronic play design and play calling and communication had on a rookie like EE. This young man can only get better with a real NFL coaching staff, OBJ back on the field, Barks out of the backfield and Eli hopefully getting better pass pro with our new OL.