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“For the first time ever, I didn’t know what the future held,” he said, via the New York Daily News. “I tried not to overthink it and draw conclusions off information I didn’t know. Just had to say, ‘Hey, I have to be positive through the season, offseason, and just work out and be ready for whatever is thrown at me.’
“Obviously, I was very excited to hear news from Mr. Gettleman and Mr. Mara they wanted me back. I work extremely hard to keep my job and when you almost lose something it makes you appreciate it even more. That’s certainly the case here.”
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His comments were in relation to DG and PS comments after being hired.
Pretty shortly after Gettleman and Shurmur were hired, it was made clear to Eli that they still wanted him here and wanted him to be the starter. So, he said at that point most of the uncertainty had gone away and that he was happy they showed such unwavering faith in him.
(Whether or not they're right or wrong has already been discussed ad nauseam, so we don't need to go there - but that's how I interpreted this)
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Even St. Elisha will be cut some day.
Even St. Elisha will be cut some day.
Or retire on his terms.
Even St. Elisha will be cut some day.
I don't think it was complacency as much as it was his football career might be suddenly over.
In about 75 days he was:
A. Sat down,
B. With ownership approval,
C. RestoreD to starter by owner for the sole purpose of saving the owners face,
E The team hired DG, a no nonsense GM who cares little of players fame,
F. The owner who signed off on his sit down said he was the QB for '18, though he has a contract through 2019,
G Hiring PS as HC, who loves the mobile QB, which is NOT Eli's forte.
Awareness that , suddenly, it might be all over.
I'm sure he was coming to the realization, even talking with Archie and Peyton, about 'When do you know it may end?'; and the answer is likely, ' When ownership looks like they are willing to move on from you".
Shurmur is overrated and Mike shula is not his father
Shurmur is overrated and Mike shula is not his father
How can so many of you post almost for the singular reason to either trash Eli or those who support him?
Do you have a fucking logical answer to that?
He’s been productive or even very productive 3 of the last 4 seasons.
To me the Eli bashers are the ones making excuses. You’re making shit up.
Some of you suck. You bring nothing to the table.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen so much interesting stuff in one sentence...
How can so many of you post almost for the singular reason to either trash Eli or those who support him?
Do you have a fucking logical answer to that?
I fucking hate morons. It's probably a character flaw. But anger isn't the issue. I laugh when I think of what goes on in the warped minds of others.
You know who thinks I'm angry? Posters like you who seem proud to be a dimwit.
We're on a Giants board and you think calling people who root for players are fanboys??
I could drop 60 pounds and the thought of you as an imbecile will still be there.....
In that time, the narrative was much different. There was blame to go around and it was acknowledged that the play at QB needed to improve. The Eli benching was an all time low for this organization. We criticize Mara, but there is no questioning the man deeply cares about his players.
Perhaps it is purely coincidence, but we have observed a stark dramatic shift in organizational narrative regarding the QB since that point. No longer do we hear even hear mild nudges like “we need to improve everywhere QB included” or subtle acknowledgement of QB role in 3 wins. Everything is “We are all in on Eli” or the most fit 37 year old I’ve ever seen, he has years left, he’s still got it, singling out Philly game ignoring everything else, etc.
I believe Eli is capable of quality play and look forward to a rebound season from him. But the gushing over a QB coming off a 3-13 season in consideration of the offensive performance the last two years is a little over the top and at least a small bit disingenuous, IMO. If we are being completely honest with ourselves. I don’t know anything as fact. But seeing such a dramatic pivot in organizational messaging regarding the QB following the benching fiasco, starting with Spags, and varying forward with DG and PS is notable. Perhaps curiously more than coincidence. ...Or perhaps not.
Funny as I never see any pictures or braggadocious memes about Eli and making a case for HOF based on beating Tom Brady twice.
It seems most Eli apologists are more Eli fans over Giants fans. How many emails and mail did Mara receive with hate when Eli was benched and all because Mara wanted it that way but when he saw the back lash and Eli crying he made up a lame excuse and fired McAdoo in season.
The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.
Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.
Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.
Jesus Christ. Where's the grassy knoll in the Meadowlands?
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Likely not, but let me tell you...There were plenty of team plaudits.
Funny as I never see any pictures or braggadocious memes about Eli and making a case for HOF based on beating Tom Brady twice.
It seems most Eli apologists are more Eli fans over Giants fans. How many emails and mail did Mara receive with hate when Eli was benched and all because Mara wanted it that way but when he saw the back lash and Eli crying he made up a lame excuse and fired McAdoo in season.
The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.
Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.
Quit plagiarizing me, please. Thank you. ; )
I couldn’t agree more, btw.
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The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.
Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.
Jesus Christ. Where's the grassy knoll in the Meadowlands?
Please look up the interview Mara had with Mike Francesa after the Eli benching. He told Mike that he was beyond shocked that Eli teared up and he did not expect that reaction from Eli. He then says Jerry Reese and Ben McAdoo were instructed that Eli starts but if he struggles he wants to see the other qb's. He claims Jerry and Ben had mixed up what he meant and thought he wanted Eli to take a seat after the half. Which i fully expected is what Mara wanted because you either do or you dont.
Mara saw the backlash which was beyond pathetic for a 3-13 team who had just wasted a pick in the third round on a qb knowing we could have seen something even if small before the draft where we were going to be drafting high.
Mara then fired McAdoo after he was hired to be the Eli guru and it worked for 2 years but as a coach Eli sucked and he was terrible at handling the team. He should have been fired but the Giants fire coaches in the off season not in season but this time mara needed to so he could start to fix the mess he created but threw Reese and McAdoo under the bus. Please explain why Reese who is just a GM was fired as well before the season ended? Yea it was a clean cut by Mara because he was the one and he got scared about the fans killing him for hurting an iconic player like Eli.
I feel he thinks the Giants owe Eli and is what the fans want to see. If some of you would just think for a second of what has happened you might learn a thing or two
Mara hires a qb who has proven shit as a HC but has done great things for qb's like Foles and Keenum and Mara saw that as a shot to improve Eli and hired an old DG who will want to win now instead of putting a stamp as his team. He did this perfectly and hired a 3 year window coach and GM
The coach and GM talked Eli up and DG reviewed the Eagles game and said WOW, but failed to see the tape the following week or the game killing picks Eli threw in that WOW eagles game.
Yea Eli had no receivers and oline has been suspect for a few years but Eli is not the same player and has regressed a bit and that is something easily seen on tape.
Mara is hoping that Eli and SB and new coach and GM get a shot to make the playoffs and see if old Eli resurfaces in the playoffs at the expense of the future of the team. That will be a fata decision if the Giants are forced to trade high picks to move up in the near future or sign a FA to be money and the qb's they passed turn into something.
yea SB is a terrific player but this whole draft and coach and gm search was all done for Eli.
That is my thinking anyway and in a couple of years we will see
We will see the progression of the current roster with decisions to be made on Beckham and Collins and how we continue to build the OL.
Eli will likely be gone 2-3 years from now no matter how well he and the team did.
I don't get the idea that people float where Mara is equal parts incompetent buffoon and manipulating dictator.
Never seen so many people root for a player in their own team to fail in my life.
The coach and GM talked Eli up and DG reviewed the Eagles game and said WOW, but failed to see the tape the following week or the game killing picks Eli threw in that WOW eagles game.
So after a 3-13 year, Mara decides he just wants to placate Eli instead of build a consistent winner. What would the talking point have been if McDaniels agreed to an offer?
Basically, Mara is calling all the shots and he hired a failed HC and an old GM to be the puppets? That's the angle you are going for here?
The best part is Gettleman watching one game of tape.
Like dep says - it is mind-boggling the scenarios people will go through to both subtly and overtly trash Eli. Including concocting elaborate theories.
Agree, on both sides of the debate.
Don't you see they are sucking you in with these posts? And you all take the bait everytime.
consider yourself "sucked"...
In some cases, I'm willing to bet all three.
Same people is what I was referring to.
The batshit is coming from a few guys, other than to some of you that think they are "everywhere" and are "many".
I think its really like about 7 of you all combined that make up 80% of these arguments...
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Every thread saying the same things.
Agree, on both sides of the debate.
Don't you see they are sucking you in with these posts? And you all take the bait everytime.
consider yourself "sucked"...
If you read the threads that consist of Eli, the asme people who bash him in every thread say the same things. But notice that people who defend Eli usually rarely talk about him anymore. All of us know the time is coming to an end, many of us wanted a successor. And we are all hoping he has 1 run left.
But instead we are considered defenders, cultists, apologists. Its sad and pathetic.
There is a side that keeps saying that Eli is finished and that his mere presence of the roster is an albatross that hurts us from signing players and building a team, which leads to a position that not drafting a QB (high) is a fatal error. We can leave the Mara conspiracy theories aside even.
There isn't a side saying Eli Manning is great and carrying the team.
The other side is basically refuting the bullshit from the first side. And for that, they are called Eli apologists, cultists, etc.
There is only one extreme position taken. The other position is basically to call out morons for wild conspiracies and for incessently using the term "Jints Central"
No it's really not. Sorry to burst your bubble.
That was a logical stance, and has been proven true.
The other side can't handle this, and now you have the wild rationalization and batshit conspiracy theories.
But it is the BBI way.
It's not about Eli. It's about being able to read the organization and tell how they were going to build the team. If you've been focused on Eli with laser like focus for the past four months, you were blinded to what was happening around him. In some cases, the hatred of Eli made these proclamations even more grandiose. It never made logical sense to cut Eli. It never made logical sense to bench Eli.
Was what happened with him a major tell? Yes. But it was just part of the puzzle of figuring out what the team was doing.
Again, it's not about Eli, contrary to what all these a-holes that call people apologists would tell you. It's about taking a logical and rational approach to trying to understand what the organization was going to do at a very pivotal point.
he would have totally ended up on another team
but there is no way on earth any team would have paid him
$22,200,000
and here lies the problem
People have been so caught up in value, especially positional value, that they've ignored the economics of the situation. Bitch as they may about Barkley, but he represents a MASSIVE $$ savings over the alternative. Eli is responsible for something like $17M this year and $22M next year (not sure how accurate that is). Cutting him would be a shitload of dead money. Drafting a QB and either benching eli or having the rookie sit is a ton of money allocated to the QB position.
But instead of looking at economics, several posters fabricated that Mara gave a Save Eli Proclamation. Hired a coach and GM for the sole reason to save face. Instead, the team took the most logical way to handle eli's last couple of seasons, while still giving us a chance to win.
So many debate why Eli is on the team. The economics say it would've been a terrible move for him not to be. And if you want to pin one more poor decision on the past regime - that contract structure is behind it.
I was called every name in the book, Eli lover, apologist, cultist, etc....
But all I did was say "here's what's going to happen and why". And it wasn't because I was supporting Eli per se, but I just read the situation exactly how I would read it if it wasn't my favorite team.
QB drafted at 2, later, or not at all... Keeping Eli as the starter in the meantime was always going to be the move. It is the right move. And it is the same move most (if not all) every other team in the league would make in the same situation.
he would have totally ended up on another team
but there is no way on earth any team would have paid him
$22,200,000
and here lies the problem
If Kurt Cousins can get fully guaranteed 84mm for three years (28 per year), its not out of the realm of possibility some team pays Eli 20-22 for 1-2 years.
I honestly can't recall any others.