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Eli "wasn’t sure of his Giants future before draft"...

Mike in St. Louis : 5/2/2018 4:12 pm
doesn't look like this was posted...if it was, I'll delete...

from ProFootball Talk...

“For the first time ever, I didn’t know what the future held,” he said, via the New York Daily News. “I tried not to overthink it and draw conclusions off information I didn’t know. Just had to say, ‘Hey, I have to be positive through the season, offseason, and just work out and be ready for whatever is thrown at me.’

“Obviously, I was very excited to hear news from Mr. Gettleman and Mr. Mara they wanted me back. I work extremely hard to keep my job and when you almost lose something it makes you appreciate it even more. That’s certainly the case here.”
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this is from the interview with Francessa  
ron mexico : 5/2/2018 4:16 pm : link
Listening to the interview live I didn't get the impression that drafting SB was the determining factor at play, although I'm sure it didn't hurt.

His comments were in relation to DG and PS comments after being hired.
Yea it sounds like he  
bradshaw44 : 5/2/2018 4:18 pm : link
thought there was a real chance he may be straight up cut after the new guys came on board.
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arcarsenal : 5/2/2018 4:24 pm : link
Yeah, I heard it live yesterday - it sounded more like he thought this last year while the whole Geno circus was going on, plus the way the year finished up, etc.

Pretty shortly after Gettleman and Shurmur were hired, it was made clear to Eli that they still wanted him here and wanted him to be the starter. So, he said at that point most of the uncertainty had gone away and that he was happy they showed such unwavering faith in him.

(Whether or not they're right or wrong has already been discussed ad nauseam, so we don't need to go there - but that's how I interpreted this)
Don't Worry Eli...  
Jim in Tampa : 5/2/2018 4:26 pm : link
Gettleman only watched the Philadelphia game.

;>)

Good stuff  
UberAlias : 5/2/2018 4:28 pm : link
I think he's going to have a good year.
Complacency  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5/2/2018 4:41 pm : link
is a poison.

Even St. Elisha will be cut some day.
RE: Complacency  
John in Loudoun : 5/2/2018 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13951353 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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is a poison.

Even St. Elisha will be cut some day.


Or retire on his terms.
RE: Complacency  
old man : 5/2/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13951353 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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is a poison.

Even St. Elisha will be cut some day.


I don't think it was complacency as much as it was his football career might be suddenly over.
In about 75 days he was:
A. Sat down,
B. With ownership approval,
C. RestoreD to starter by owner for the sole purpose of saving the owners face,
E The team hired DG, a no nonsense GM who cares little of players fame,
F. The owner who signed off on his sit down said he was the QB for '18, though he has a contract through 2019,
G Hiring PS as HC, who loves the mobile QB, which is NOT Eli's forte.
Awareness that , suddenly, it might be all over.
I'm sure he was coming to the realization, even talking with Archie and Peyton, about 'When do you know it may end?'; and the answer is likely, ' When ownership looks like they are willing to move on from you".


The performance had better improve  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5/2/2018 7:05 pm : link
Enough with the excuses.
Eli will go out in style!  
GMen23 : 5/2/2018 7:09 pm : link
Time for the Eli Defenders & Apologists, of which I am one, to finally find out. That if you surround Eli with a balanced attack, and a pocket, he still has it. QB is still played between the ears, which you can't do, lying flat on your back. I predict, not that the bar is that high, but Eli will have his highest QBR in more than 5 years.
No worries folks, Eli is teflon  
NYSports1 : 5/2/2018 8:41 pm : link
The excuses are already set in stone, SB is a rookie, the Right Tackle is hot a HOF so is not fair. OBJ, Engram, Shepard are idiots who run wrong routes or dont fight for the ball.

Shurmur is overrated and Mike shula is not his father
RE: No worries folks, Eli is teflon  
Les in TO : 5/2/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13951751 NYSports1 said:
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The excuses are already set in stone, SB is a rookie, the Right Tackle is hot a HOF so is not fair. OBJ, Engram, Shepard are idiots who run wrong routes or dont fight for the ball.

Shurmur is overrated and Mike shula is not his father
theEli Fanboy Excuse Innovation Lab is using artificial intelligence this offseason to come up with new excuses tailored from week to week. Expect some doozies about the defense and special teams not forcing enough turnovers or giving good enough field position, new offensive system doesn’t capitalize on Eli’sstrengths and other creative doozies
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arcarsenal : 5/2/2018 8:59 pm : link
I'm sure we can also expect the same typical dipshits to whine and bemoan every single thing Eli does just like some of you have been doing for about a decade now.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2018 9:25 pm : link
and there's Les popping in with his "fanboy" bullshit again.

How can so many of you post almost for the singular reason to either trash Eli or those who support him?

Do you have a fucking logical answer to that?
RE: The performance had better improve  
djm : 5/2/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13951602 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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Enough with the excuses.


He’s been productive or even very productive 3 of the last 4 seasons.

To me the Eli bashers are the ones making excuses. You’re making shit up.
Come up with bs  
djm : 5/2/2018 9:32 pm : link
And spin it if you must but Eli was very good in 2014. Even better in 2015. Productive in 2016. Shaky but really the only stable presence in an otherwise laughably bad offense and situation in 2017.

Some of you suck. You bring nothing to the table.
Eli....  
bw in dc : 5/2/2018 9:41 pm : link
“Obviously, I was very excited to hear news from Mr. Gettleman and Mr. Mara they wanted me back.“

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen so much interesting stuff in one sentence...





Not an Eli apologist.  
Boy Cord : 5/2/2018 9:46 pm : link
But, you can’t blame Eli for the OL, WR injuries, and running attack last year. You just can’t. Three of his top four WRs were on IR. The OL was a JOKE. I wanted Rosen or Darnold, in that order. It eff it. It’s over. Licking MFC over SB, OBJ, EE, and SS.
RE: LOL..  
Les in TO : 5/2/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13951840 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and there's Les popping in with his "fanboy" bullshit again.

How can so many of you post almost for the singular reason to either trash Eli or those who support him?

Do you have a fucking logical answer to that?
the better question is what happened in your life that made you so angry? Is it the weight? You can lose it, bro
Hoping Eli does well in 2018, means hoping the Giants do well...  
Bill L : 5/2/2018 10:01 pm : link
Sorry you’re not a “fanboy” of that. Saddened really. Take solace though, like with Howard Johnson’s there’s 31 other flavors for you to try.
The funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2018 10:07 pm : link
thing is Les. I'm far from an angry man.

I fucking hate morons. It's probably a character flaw. But anger isn't the issue. I laugh when I think of what goes on in the warped minds of others.

You know who thinks I'm angry? Posters like you who seem proud to be a dimwit.

We're on a Giants board and you think calling people who root for players are fanboys??

I could drop 60 pounds and the thought of you as an imbecile will still be there.....
My question is how come Eli gets all the praise for 2 SB wins  
NYSports1 : 5/2/2018 10:10 pm : link
putting up memes holding the trophy or commercials flashing the rings. But when team misses playoffs 6 of 7 seasons, its a team game
We’re you born when they won the SBs?  
Bill L : 5/2/2018 10:13 pm : link
Likely not, but let me tell you...There were plenty of team plaudits.
This is a very conflicting topic for me  
UberAlias : 5/2/2018 10:20 pm : link
Eli is my all time favorite Giant. I’ve rooted for him harder than any other player in any sport. At the same time, these past few years have not been good. There are major contributing factors, of course, but at the same time I find it difficult to lay blame everywhere except the QB. The folks in the previous regime had their faults for sure, but they were also closest to the situation and were also apart of this when Eli was playing well, so it is difficult to completely dismiss their judgement.

In that time, the narrative was much different. There was blame to go around and it was acknowledged that the play at QB needed to improve. The Eli benching was an all time low for this organization. We criticize Mara, but there is no questioning the man deeply cares about his players.

Perhaps it is purely coincidence, but we have observed a stark dramatic shift in organizational narrative regarding the QB since that point. No longer do we hear even hear mild nudges like “we need to improve everywhere QB included” or subtle acknowledgement of QB role in 3 wins. Everything is “We are all in on Eli” or the most fit 37 year old I’ve ever seen, he has years left, he’s still got it, singling out Philly game ignoring everything else, etc.

I believe Eli is capable of quality play and look forward to a rebound season from him. But the gushing over a QB coming off a 3-13 season in consideration of the offensive performance the last two years is a little over the top and at least a small bit disingenuous, IMO. If we are being completely honest with ourselves. I don’t know anything as fact. But seeing such a dramatic pivot in organizational messaging regarding the QB following the benching fiasco, starting with Spags, and varying forward with DG and PS is notable. Perhaps curiously more than coincidence. ...Or perhaps not.
RE: We’re you born when they won the SBs?  
NYSports1 : 5/2/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13951943 Bill L said:
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Likely not, but let me tell you...There were plenty of team plaudits.


Funny as I never see any pictures or braggadocious memes about Eli and making a case for HOF based on beating Tom Brady twice.

It seems most Eli apologists are more Eli fans over Giants fans. How many emails and mail did Mara receive with hate when Eli was benched and all because Mara wanted it that way but when he saw the back lash and Eli crying he made up a lame excuse and fired McAdoo in season.

The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.

Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.

LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2018 10:24 pm : link
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The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.

Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.


Jesus Christ. Where's the grassy knoll in the Meadowlands?
RE: RE: We’re you born when they won the SBs?  
bw in dc : 5/2/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13951953 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13951943 Bill L said:


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Likely not, but let me tell you...There were plenty of team plaudits.



Funny as I never see any pictures or braggadocious memes about Eli and making a case for HOF based on beating Tom Brady twice.

It seems most Eli apologists are more Eli fans over Giants fans. How many emails and mail did Mara receive with hate when Eli was benched and all because Mara wanted it that way but when he saw the back lash and Eli crying he made up a lame excuse and fired McAdoo in season.

The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.

Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.


Quit plagiarizing me, please. Thank you. ; )

I couldn’t agree more, btw.
RE: LOL...  
NYSports1 : 5/2/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13951959 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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The hate was so bad that he decided to hire a qb coach and new gm and instructed them Eli must be kept and giving all chances to continue Giants career which explains no interest in the qb's and taking a weapon for Eli.

Mara panicked, that is my belief based on the things he said before and after the season.



Jesus Christ. Where's the grassy knoll in the Meadowlands?


Please look up the interview Mara had with Mike Francesa after the Eli benching. He told Mike that he was beyond shocked that Eli teared up and he did not expect that reaction from Eli. He then says Jerry Reese and Ben McAdoo were instructed that Eli starts but if he struggles he wants to see the other qb's. He claims Jerry and Ben had mixed up what he meant and thought he wanted Eli to take a seat after the half. Which i fully expected is what Mara wanted because you either do or you dont.

Mara saw the backlash which was beyond pathetic for a 3-13 team who had just wasted a pick in the third round on a qb knowing we could have seen something even if small before the draft where we were going to be drafting high.

Mara then fired McAdoo after he was hired to be the Eli guru and it worked for 2 years but as a coach Eli sucked and he was terrible at handling the team. He should have been fired but the Giants fire coaches in the off season not in season but this time mara needed to so he could start to fix the mess he created but threw Reese and McAdoo under the bus. Please explain why Reese who is just a GM was fired as well before the season ended? Yea it was a clean cut by Mara because he was the one and he got scared about the fans killing him for hurting an iconic player like Eli.

I feel he thinks the Giants owe Eli and is what the fans want to see. If some of you would just think for a second of what has happened you might learn a thing or two

Mara hires a qb who has proven shit as a HC but has done great things for qb's like Foles and Keenum and Mara saw that as a shot to improve Eli and hired an old DG who will want to win now instead of putting a stamp as his team. He did this perfectly and hired a 3 year window coach and GM

The coach and GM talked Eli up and DG reviewed the Eagles game and said WOW, but failed to see the tape the following week or the game killing picks Eli threw in that WOW eagles game.

Yea Eli had no receivers and oline has been suspect for a few years but Eli is not the same player and has regressed a bit and that is something easily seen on tape.

Mara is hoping that Eli and SB and new coach and GM get a shot to make the playoffs and see if old Eli resurfaces in the playoffs at the expense of the future of the team. That will be a fata decision if the Giants are forced to trade high picks to move up in the near future or sign a FA to be money and the qb's they passed turn into something.

yea SB is a terrific player but this whole draft and coach and gm search was all done for Eli.

That is my thinking anyway and in a couple of years we will see
We won't "See"..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/3/2018 7:54 am : link
in a couple of years if the team was built around Eli.

We will see the progression of the current roster with decisions to be made on Beckham and Collins and how we continue to build the OL.

Eli will likely be gone 2-3 years from now no matter how well he and the team did.

I don't get the idea that people float where Mara is equal parts incompetent buffoon and manipulating dictator.
Same people  
dep026 : 5/3/2018 7:59 am : link
Every thread saying the same things.

Never seen so many people root for a player in their own team to fail in my life.
This in..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/3/2018 8:06 am : link
a nutshell captures the essence of the bat-shit craziness people spout on here:

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Mara hires a qb who has proven shit as a HC but has done great things for qb's like Foles and Keenum and Mara saw that as a shot to improve Eli and hired an old DG who will want to win now instead of putting a stamp as his team. He did this perfectly and hired a 3 year window coach and GM

The coach and GM talked Eli up and DG reviewed the Eagles game and said WOW, but failed to see the tape the following week or the game killing picks Eli threw in that WOW eagles game.


So after a 3-13 year, Mara decides he just wants to placate Eli instead of build a consistent winner. What would the talking point have been if McDaniels agreed to an offer?

Basically, Mara is calling all the shots and he hired a failed HC and an old GM to be the puppets? That's the angle you are going for here?

The best part is Gettleman watching one game of tape.

Like dep says - it is mind-boggling the scenarios people will go through to both subtly and overtly trash Eli. Including concocting elaborate theories.
RE: Same people  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2018 8:12 am : link
In comment 13952173 dep026 said:
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Every thread saying the same things.



Agree, on both sides of the debate.

Don't you see they are sucking you in with these posts? And you all take the bait everytime.

consider yourself "sucked"...
Some of you have lost your mind.....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 8:15 am : link
After being so convinced QB was the pick at 2 for months, I really think this pushed some over the edge.
The batshit craziness is not....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 8:17 am : link
"both sides". That's a fallacy.
Some of you are either....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 8:18 am : link
trolling, completely and ridiculously stupid, or deranged.

In some cases, I'm willing to bet all three.
RE: The batshit craziness is not....  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 13952190 Britt in VA said:
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"both sides". That's a fallacy.


Same people is what I was referring to.

The batshit is coming from a few guys, other than to some of you that think they are "everywhere" and are "many".

I think its really like about 7 of you all combined that make up 80% of these arguments...
RE: RE: Same people  
dep026 : 5/3/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 13952185 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13952173 dep026 said:


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Every thread saying the same things.





Agree, on both sides of the debate.

Don't you see they are sucking you in with these posts? And you all take the bait everytime.

consider yourself "sucked"...


If you read the threads that consist of Eli, the asme people who bash him in every thread say the same things. But notice that people who defend Eli usually rarely talk about him anymore. All of us know the time is coming to an end, many of us wanted a successor. And we are all hoping he has 1 run left.

But instead we are considered defenders, cultists, apologists. Its sad and pathetic.
Oh Dep, stop with the woe is me  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2018 8:42 am : link
crap...its both sides.
Googs..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/3/2018 8:47 am : link
there really aren't two sides though.

There is a side that keeps saying that Eli is finished and that his mere presence of the roster is an albatross that hurts us from signing players and building a team, which leads to a position that not drafting a QB (high) is a fatal error. We can leave the Mara conspiracy theories aside even.

There isn't a side saying Eli Manning is great and carrying the team.

The other side is basically refuting the bullshit from the first side. And for that, they are called Eli apologists, cultists, etc.

There is only one extreme position taken. The other position is basically to call out morons for wild conspiracies and for incessently using the term "Jints Central"
RE: Oh Dep, stop with the woe is me  
dep026 : 5/3/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13952228 Jimmy Googs said:
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crap...its both sides.


No it's really not. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Exactly....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 8:57 am : link
And quite honestly, the side saying that Eli has something left and they can build the team to win now as well as building for the future has been completely right nearly every step of the way, and the actions of the team bears that out.

That was a logical stance, and has been proven true.

The other side can't handle this, and now you have the wild rationalization and batshit conspiracy theories.
This after months of proclimations and stone cold locks....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 8:58 am : link
about Eli being finished, and the foregone conclusion that the Giants were going QB at 2.
You'd think it might be humbling that they don't know as much  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 9:00 am : link
as they think they do, but no..... They double down on the crazy and dig in deeper.

But it is the BBI way.
Don't be so sure  
Thegratefulhead : 5/3/2018 9:23 am : link
Some of us were never trying to predict what the Giants would do. We were talking about what they should do. Just because they did not draft a QB at 2, does not mean Eli is not finished. If Eli doesn't perform, he will not last the season. Nothing will be proven until he plays this year with a running game and OL. There is nothing wrong with believing in Eli. It is actually a good thing. Nothing wrong with the people, who, after watching him for the last 5 years think his time is up, it is not a 1 game or 1 season judgement. BTW "Fallacy" does mean what you think it means. It is also reasonable to think both Gettleman and Shurmur were hired because they thought they could revive Eli's career. That is not a wild conspiracy. I think it is very like true, because if I was the owner and I had a QB that won 2 SB MVP trophies, I would try to find someone who thought they could tap into that magic one more time. There has been reporting that supports this line of reasoning. Let's wait and see, looks like premature gloating and self congratulation, if Eli doesn't play, some of the stuff said here, is going to make some people look very foolish. Wait, your time to gloat may yet come, it is just early.
After fighting against a wave of absolute statements....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 9:30 am : link
and opinions presented as fact that Eli was either going to be cut, traded, or benched, and that the next QB of the Giants would absolutely unequivocally be drafted number 2 overall, yeah...

It's not about Eli. It's about being able to read the organization and tell how they were going to build the team. If you've been focused on Eli with laser like focus for the past four months, you were blinded to what was happening around him. In some cases, the hatred of Eli made these proclamations even more grandiose. It never made logical sense to cut Eli. It never made logical sense to bench Eli.

Was what happened with him a major tell? Yes. But it was just part of the puzzle of figuring out what the team was doing.

Again, it's not about Eli, contrary to what all these a-holes that call people apologists would tell you. It's about taking a logical and rational approach to trying to understand what the organization was going to do at a very pivotal point.
reality  
giantfan2000 : 5/3/2018 9:31 am : link
if Giants cuts Eli Manning last year
he would have totally ended up on another team
but there is no way on earth any team would have paid him
$22,200,000

and here lies the problem
Britt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/3/2018 9:38 am : link
it isn't even hindsight to understand that Eli being here for the next two years was always a high probability event.

People have been so caught up in value, especially positional value, that they've ignored the economics of the situation. Bitch as they may about Barkley, but he represents a MASSIVE $$ savings over the alternative. Eli is responsible for something like $17M this year and $22M next year (not sure how accurate that is). Cutting him would be a shitload of dead money. Drafting a QB and either benching eli or having the rookie sit is a ton of money allocated to the QB position.

But instead of looking at economics, several posters fabricated that Mara gave a Save Eli Proclamation. Hired a coach and GM for the sole reason to save face. Instead, the team took the most logical way to handle eli's last couple of seasons, while still giving us a chance to win.

So many debate why Eli is on the team. The economics say it would've been a terrible move for him not to be. And if you want to pin one more poor decision on the past regime - that contract structure is behind it.
And that was always the crazy thing to me.....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 9:46 am : link
it was so damn obvious.

I was called every name in the book, Eli lover, apologist, cultist, etc....

But all I did was say "here's what's going to happen and why". And it wasn't because I was supporting Eli per se, but I just read the situation exactly how I would read it if it wasn't my favorite team.

QB drafted at 2, later, or not at all... Keeping Eli as the starter in the meantime was always going to be the move. It is the right move. And it is the same move most (if not all) every other team in the league would make in the same situation.
RE: reality  
ron mexico : 5/3/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13952318 giantfan2000 said:
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if Giants cuts Eli Manning last year
he would have totally ended up on another team
but there is no way on earth any team would have paid him
$22,200,000

and here lies the problem


If Kurt Cousins can get fully guaranteed 84mm for three years (28 per year), its not out of the realm of possibility some team pays Eli 20-22 for 1-2 years.

Is there even a precedent for a QB of Eli's caliber getting  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 9:51 am : link
cut or traded? Maybe Joe Montana getting traded to the Chiefs at age 37?

I honestly can't recall any others.
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