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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 3:53 pm
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BleedBlue : 5/3/2018 3:57 pm : link
the season cannot get here soon enough. I am beyond excited to see barkley play. i am actually really excited for preseason to see webb and lauletta take most of the snaps (hope thats the case) i expect it will be though as manning doesnt need to much time being a vet.

i think barkley n OBJ will keep DCs up at night!
Excellent  
NorwoodWideRight : 5/3/2018 4:12 pm : link
write-up, Eric.
I think the first two picks  
Gman11 : 5/3/2018 4:13 pm : link
will help the offense a lot.

The rest of them? We'll see.
Nice write-up.  
Ira : 5/3/2018 4:18 pm : link
I would rather they had taken two offensive lineman and two defensive lineman than one and three. But, I guess they had to go with their board. I'm glad you mentioned that Hernandez may be better as a pass protector than some think. I don't see Lauletta as a future Manning or Simms, but maybe a future Foles or Keenum, which is good value in the 4th round.
Nice job...  
Zepp : 5/3/2018 4:21 pm : link
I think it sums it up pretty well.
RE: Nice write-up.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13953039 Ira said:
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I would rather they had taken two offensive lineman and two defensive lineman than one and three. But, I guess they had to go with their board. I'm glad you mentioned that Hernandez may be better as a pass protector than some think. I don't see Lauletta as a future Manning or Simms, but maybe a future Foles or Keenum, which is good value in the 4th round.


Carter isn't a defensive lineman. They had six picks: RB, QB, OL on offense... two DL's and one LB on defense.
I'm curious  
QB Snacks : 5/3/2018 4:23 pm : link
to see how Odell will react when the spotlight comes off him (if barkley plays as advertised).

Will he be glad it's gone or will he push the envelope even further?
RE: ...,  
bradshaw44 : 5/3/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13953009 BleedBlue said:
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the season cannot get here soon enough. I am beyond excited to see barkley play. i am actually really excited for preseason to see webb and lauletta take most of the snaps (hope thats the case) i expect it will be though as manning doesnt need to much time being a vet.

i think barkley n OBJ will keep DCs up at night!


It’s a new system, he’s going to need the reps.
We basically drafted a 35lb heavier version of Odell Beckham  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/3/2018 4:28 pm : link
The way he cuts on a dime and gets back up to full speed is unreal. Its Odell-like except at 233 lbs instead of 198lbs.

Teams won't be able to tee up on Odell and target him as much because they will be too distracted trying to defend other areas now.
Great write up Eric  
Rjanyg : 5/3/2018 4:28 pm : link
I love the draft and Barkley, Hernandez and Carter were 3 of my favorite players I wanted for NYG. I also like the Hill and Lauletta picks. I would have loved another OL specifically Jamarco Jones or Tyrell Crosby in round 5 but I have to trust that DG knows what he is doing in that department.

All in all, a very nice offseason.
Eric the only thing  
Dave on the UWS : 5/3/2018 4:30 pm : link
I have a different opinion on is Lauretta in the 4th. Back up QB is still an important position on a team and he may be the perfect person to come in for a few games if needed. If he can develop into more - home run!
well said Eric I believe you are spot on  
gtt350 : 5/3/2018 4:34 pm : link
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I think we improved in a lot of key areas  
UberAlias : 5/3/2018 4:38 pm : link
Running game, both fronts.

Odell is going to get a huge boost from Barkley. As great as Odell is, it’s been too easy for defenses to minimize his damage. But our running game has failed to make anyone pay for the over the top help. I don’t envy the position of DCs having to chose which of these guys to take their chances with.
good objective review  
mdc1 : 5/3/2018 4:43 pm : link
regardless of the opinions on #2 QB or RB. We very likely have improved on a very serious problem on offense, oline and rushing. The results this season will tell us more and after many bad years of football hopefully we can count on the organization waking up.
RE: I'm curious  
Brown Recluse : 5/3/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13953052 QB Snacks said:
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to see how Odell will react when the spotlight comes off him (if barkley plays as advertised).

Will he be glad it's gone or will he push the envelope even further?


Are you serious? Odell will be as supportive of Barkley as anyone else.
Appreciate the write-up Eric.  
Phil in Joisey : 5/3/2018 4:48 pm : link
Like many of us I feel pretty good about the draft, our new head coach, our new defensive coordinator and hopefully a season with less injury problems. Optimistic to a certain degree.
I was pulled back to 'reality' when I saw that Vegas has the Giants over/under at 6.5.
Vegas isn't always right, I'm taking the over.
Good review  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/3/2018 4:54 pm : link
the only thing where I differ is Lauletta. If he turns out to be future Foles or Keenum then that is a success. Seem like a good fit with Shurmur . With that development Lauletta could start here under Shurmur or fetch a draft choice in trade.
Nice wrap up!  
TC : 5/3/2018 4:56 pm : link
Irrespective of whether you think it's a great draft, or good have been even better, I don't think anyone believes any of the picks are WTF picks, as to what they were, or where they were taken, such as we've had in the past.
RE: Good review  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13953142 Steve in South Jersey said:
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the only thing where I differ is Lauletta. If he turns out to be future Foles or Keenum then that is a success. Seem like a good fit with Shurmur . With that development Lauletta could start here under Shurmur or fetch a draft choice in trade.


I see it as them expanding their options from one to two. The pessimists will say that Webb and Lauetta are not serious options. They could be right. But this seems like a reasonable insurance policy to me. Giants are going to go with two very inexperienced reserves this year. That tells me they are thinking about the transition after Eli even if they publicly say he's strong as ever.
RE: Eric the only thing  
robbieballs2003 : 5/3/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13953074 Dave on the UWS said:
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I have a different opinion on is Lauretta in the 4th. Back up QB is still an important position on a team and he may be the perfect person to come in for a few games if needed. If he can develop into more - home run!


Bingo. I was just about to post the same.
Nice write up.  
Pascal4554 : 5/3/2018 5:04 pm : link
I keep having to remember that the quarterbacks coming out are really young and this is their first professional job. They have a big learning curve ahead of them. I can see why Shurmur would be excited about Eli even on the back end of his career. Hoping Eli has some savy veteran QB play left in him.
That will be the debate for many years...  
bw in dc : 5/3/2018 5:08 pm : link
Was the selection sequence of RB + QB smarter than QB + RB.

Are Barkely & Lauletta < = or > than Rosen/Darnold & Chubb/Jones/Guice?

The clock is running...

RE: I think we improved in a lot of key areas  
giants#1 : 5/3/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13953098 UberAlias said:
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Running game, both fronts.

Odell is going to get a huge boost from Barkley. As great as Odell is, it’s been too easy for defenses to minimize his damage. But our running game has failed to make anyone pay for the over the top help. I don’t envy the position of DCs having to chose which of these guys to take their chances with.


Barkley and Hernandez might help the defense more than the 3 defensive players drafted. Even improving the running game to average should help extend some drives and keep the D fresher.
Some are comparing Barkley's running style to Edgerrin James  
montanagiant : 5/3/2018 5:15 pm : link
And Barry Sanders. But I think he most resembles Gale Sayers. The cutbacks, the elusiveness, the burst, the 2nd gear and the toughness. What he does have over Gayle is the pass catching ability
Gale Sayers highlights - ( New Window )
RE: That will be the debate for many years...  
giants#1 : 5/3/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13953184 bw in dc said:
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Was the selection sequence of RB + QB smarter than QB + RB.

Are Barkely & Lauletta < = or > than Rosen/Darnold & Chubb/Jones/Guice?

The clock is running...


Chubb/Jones/Guice all went in the 2nd round. Lauletta was a 4th round pick. So if you want to view it like that, then you need to either say:

Barkley/Hernandez/Lauletta vs Rosen (Darnold)/Chubb (Jones/Guice)/Cole Madison (Wyatt Teller)

or
Barkley/Lauletta vs Rosen (Darnold) and Hines (other >4th rd RB)

Unless drafting a QB at #2 would've magically given us an additional 2nd round pick with which to then draft a RB...
Nice evaluation  
GFAN52 : 5/3/2018 5:20 pm : link
Given they only had 6 picks they seemed to hit value and need very well.
.....  
Klaatu : 5/3/2018 5:23 pm : link
"I wanted to fall in love with one of the quarterbacks at #2, but I just couldn’t."

RE: That will be the debate for many years...  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/3/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13953184 bw in dc said:
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Was the selection sequence of RB + QB smarter than QB + RB.

Are Barkely & Lauletta < = or > than Rosen/Darnold & Chubb/Jones/Guice?

The clock is running...

How is a 1st round QB + 2nd round RB the fair comparison vs. 1st round RB + 4th round QB? If you want to compare apples to apples, you should be looking at the 4th round RBs that followed the Giants pick:

Mark Walton
Ito Smith
Kalen Ballage
Chase Edmonds

Otherwise, you're setting yourself up with a stacked deck because you're giving yourself a stronger RB prospect than a straight swap of the positions drafted in their respective rounds would suggest.

If you want to stake your point on Darnold/Rosen + any of the RBs I listed, go for it. But not Chubb/Guice/Jones.
1 Major Disagreement  
Samiam : 5/3/2018 5:46 pm : link
People here often say they don’t care what the Jets do and that makes sense from a fan perspective. But look at this from the perspective of the owners and maybe the front office for a second. Even with Barkley the club has significant holes. They could easily by an 8-8 team this year and the next until Eli retires. And, what’s the likelihood that Eli’s replacement will be even an above average QB? Hopefully, but we’ll be lucky if we get that much.

Now, we gifted Darnold to the Jets. What happens if he becomes the new Eli of New York? I will never stop rooting for the Giants but if Darnold becomes that kind of QB, the Jets will become New York’s team and will be way closer to winning it all than the Giants,

What I’m saying is that going forward this could be a multi million business decision. Far from being the safe pick, I think drafting Barkley was the riskier pick.
Nice write up Eric  
Earl the goat : 5/3/2018 5:48 pm : link
You start off the article stating this is a passing league And I do agree
But if you can’t run the ball you can’t win
Barkley was a no brainer whether or not Rosen and Darnold are great
Clever to strengthen the DL  
Alan in Toledo : 5/3/2018 5:49 pm : link
and thus make the secondary's job easier. Hats off.

Also, corners don't need much integration to be effective.
RE: 1 Major Disagreement  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13953286 Samiam said:
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People here often say they don’t care what the Jets do and that makes sense from a fan perspective. But look at this from the perspective of the owners and maybe the front office for a second. Even with Barkley the club has significant holes. They could easily by an 8-8 team this year and the next until Eli retires. And, what’s the likelihood that Eli’s replacement will be even an above average QB? Hopefully, but we’ll be lucky if we get that much.

Now, we gifted Darnold to the Jets. What happens if he becomes the new Eli of New York? I will never stop rooting for the Giants but if Darnold becomes that kind of QB, the Jets will become New York’s team and will be way closer to winning it all than the Giants,

What I’m saying is that going forward this could be a multi million business decision. Far from being the safe pick, I think drafting Barkley was the riskier pick.


I believe I covered all of that.
RE: 1 Major Disagreement  
Klaatu : 5/3/2018 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13953286 Samiam said:
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People here often say they don’t care what the Jets do and that makes sense from a fan perspective. But look at this from the perspective of the owners and maybe the front office for a second. Even with Barkley the club has significant holes. They could easily by an 8-8 team this year and the next until Eli retires. And, what’s the likelihood that Eli’s replacement will be even an above average QB? Hopefully, but we’ll be lucky if we get that much.

Now, we gifted Darnold to the Jets. What happens if he becomes the new Eli of New York? I will never stop rooting for the Giants but if Darnold becomes that kind of QB, the Jets will become New York’s team and will be way closer to winning it all than the Giants,

What I’m saying is that going forward this could be a multi million business decision. Far from being the safe pick, I think drafting Barkley was the riskier pick.


What, exactly, is New York's team? Do they get special privileges or something? Free theater tickets? Free subway rides? Free burgers at Minetta Tavern?
RE: RE: Good review  
bradshaw44 : 5/3/2018 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13953148 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13953142 Steve in South Jersey said:


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the only thing where I differ is Lauletta. If he turns out to be future Foles or Keenum then that is a success. Seem like a good fit with Shurmur . With that development Lauletta could start here under Shurmur or fetch a draft choice in trade.



I see it as them expanding their options from one to two. The pessimists will say that Webb and Lauetta are not serious options. They could be right. But this seems like a reasonable insurance policy to me. Giants are going to go with two very inexperienced reserves this year. That tells me they are thinking about the transition after Eli even if they publicly say he's strong as ever.


Exactly. Now all our hope doesn’t rest on one project QB with potential. We have two and they both have really good upside that could develop or st the very least be good enough until we do find the next guy.
RE: RE: That will be the debate for many years...  
bw in dc : 5/3/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13953212 giants#1 said:
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Chubb/Jones/Guice all went in the 2nd round. Lauletta was a 4th round pick. So if you want to view it like that, then you need to either say:

Barkley/Hernandez/Lauletta vs Rosen (Darnold)/Chubb (Jones/Guice)/Cole Madison (Wyatt Teller)

or
Barkley/Lauletta vs Rosen (Darnold) and Hines (other >4th rd RB)

Unless drafting a QB at #2 would've magically given us an additional 2nd round pick with which to then draft a RB...


I knew this would be confusing for some

There is no additional 2nd round pick suggested. I'm declaring we take a RB, say Chubb, instead Hernandez in the second round. So then you have the QB + RB, in order.

In the third round, don't take Carter. Take Geno Christian instead, a terrific LT prospect out of Louisville.

So we get, in order, QB + RB + OL. And all the players I recommend were available at the time we selected. Thus, there is no re-arranging of the draft order or hoping players would have been there. These players were indeed there...
Great review as  
Rick5 : 5/3/2018 5:57 pm : link
always, Eric. I am finding myself very preoccupied with the 1st round pick. I am sure Barkley will be great, but it will be awful if any of the other QBs available turn out to be top 5 QBs on a consistent basis. Time will tell. I just remember the misery of the years between Simms and Collins too well, I guess. If Barkley allows them to make one more run with Eli, then it was worth it.
Why does everyone say barkley is different than every other back?  
youtoo2 : 5/3/2018 5:58 pm : link
He seems similiar to Marshall Faulk and Ladanian Thomlinson. I would throw Tiki into that but a not h below.

How is Barkley different than that?
We've got  
Photoguy : 5/3/2018 5:59 pm : link
some building blocks, finally. I hope next year, we can finish off the OL, and lock up the back four. The arrow is pointing up.
My perspective is very similar  
dune69 : 5/3/2018 6:00 pm : link
It is an important draft to start plugging holes and adding talent. Much work to do.
RE: Why does everyone say barkley is different than every other back?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13953310 youtoo2 said:
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He seems similiar to Marshall Faulk and Ladanian Thomlinson. I would throw Tiki into that but a not h below.

How is Barkley different than that?


Much bigger and faster.
Photoguy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 6:04 pm : link
Also, those guys don't have Barkley's tree trunk legs.
Eric/Klaatu  
Samiam : 5/3/2018 6:04 pm : link
Eric- wasn’t commenting on the validity of taking Barkley. I was just commenting on your statement that he was the safer pick. As I said, in my mind he was more risky pick.

Klatuu- you go realize these clubs are in business to make money and part of that is selling seat licenses and tickets. A winning team makes a lot more money which helps ownership but is in s better position to sign free agents which helps the team and the fans. I heard the Jets will have a boatload of money to spend next year ($100 million?). Unless the Giants are successful, that’s a problem for management
I like your use of quotations on "franchise" QB  
Motley Two : 5/3/2018 6:08 pm : link
It reminded me of
Something - ( New Window )
RE: Eric/Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13953325 Samiam said:
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Eric- wasn’t commenting on the validity of taking Barkley. I was just commenting on your statement that he was the safer pick. As I said, in my mind he was more risky pick.

Klatuu- you go realize these clubs are in business to make money and part of that is selling seat licenses and tickets. A winning team makes a lot more money which helps ownership but is in s better position to sign free agents which helps the team and the fans. I heard the Jets will have a boatload of money to spend next year ($100 million?). Unless the Giants are successful, that’s a problem for management


I covered why I thought he was the riskier pick in the article.
RE: That will be the debate for many years...  
Bill L : 5/3/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13953184 bw in dc said:
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Was the selection sequence of RB + QB smarter than QB + RB.

Are Barkely & Lauletta < = or > than Rosen/Darnold & Chubb/Jones/Guice?

The clock is running...
i say that the order we did it is not even close to the other combination. Barkley is so far ahead it isn’t even funny. They would never have not gone Olin the 2nd so that’s not realistic. But if they went mad and did it, then they lost tons of points. Lauketta is closer to Darnold than Chib is to Barkley and at OL it’s 1sr round value versus 3rd round. Basically we trade superlative for average at best in toto.

Also don’t know why Rosen or Guise are even discussed. Giants apparently had no consideration for Rosen and both he and Buise give the appearance of being toxic. Teams ran away from both and it’s possible that they would be a net negative on the team no matter what skill level they might have.
Apologies  
Bill L : 5/3/2018 6:13 pm : link
Typing on an iPad blows
Nice write-up  
ZogZerg : 5/3/2018 6:14 pm : link
However, I think the comparison has to be Barkley vs Darnold. According to sources, Darnold was the highest rated QB on the Giants board. So, if Darnold becomes a top 10 Franchise QB then the Giants F-d up. If Rosen does, then it doesn't really matter since they weren't going to pick him. It just means that they suck at evaluating QBs.

You can't start combining guys like some of you have. You then miss out on Hernandez.
nice write up  
micky : 5/3/2018 6:15 pm : link
all 3 will be forever compared. Gettlemen better pray that none of those QBs, esp. Darnold doesnt have a long, successful franchise qbs and Barkley just above average qb, and/or Webb or Kyle fail to be that successful heir apparent to Eli. Or, just having to kick that can down the road at QB position for years after.

For the all the hype, expectations, and taken at 2, Barkley to me, based on all this, nothing short of being inducted to the hall of fame would be nothing but a fail..again based on all this hype and expectations by everyone
RE: Nice write-up  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13953337 ZogZerg said:
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However, I think the comparison has to be Barkley vs Darnold. According to sources, Darnold was the highest rated QB on the Giants board. So, if Darnold becomes a top 10 Franchise QB then the Giants F-d up. If Rosen does, then it doesn't really matter since they weren't going to pick him. It just means that they suck at evaluating QBs.

You can't start combining guys like some of you have. You then miss out on Hernandez.


There were many Giants fans who wanted Rosen. If Rosen goes onto be a stud, you had better believe everyone will remember the Giants passed on him. (And passed on the opportunity to trade down and draft him).
I don’t care how Darnold does  
Bill L : 5/3/2018 6:18 pm : link
And I won’t wish failure on anyone. It doesn’t affect me.

I think what matters is, do we win more. Honestly feel, and I know that it’s an isolated view, that wins are somewhere between the most important thing, and the only thing.
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