Matt Ryan has agreed to a 5 year extension with @AtlantaFalcons that makes him first $30 mill per year QB w $100 mill guaranteed, per league and team sources.
Not the Giants though. We wont have to pay a qb that much money for at least 3-5 years at the minimum.
Even if Eli retires or is cut next season and Webb takes over and becomes a stud, his contract wont end till 2021. If Lauletta is the man then not till 2022. And if they are both bums who knows....But I don't like that last part.
Not the Giants though. We wont have to pay a qb that much money for at least 3-5 years at the minimum.
Even if Eli retires or is cut next season and Webb takes over and becomes a stud, his contract wont end till 2021. If Lauletta is the man then not till 2022. And if they are both bums who knows....But I don't like that last part.
Unless say a Matthew Stafford becomes a FA and we wanted to sign him.
Usually the way it works. Jarvis Landry was headlined as 5/75 with $47M guaranteed but, a week later when all the details were out, it was actually a guaranteed 2/34 with his $13M 2020 salary subject to option.
Giants did give Solder all of his guaranteed money fully guaranteed but that's rare.
Ryan's fully guaranteed will still be huge but we'll have to wait to see the true number.
Usually the way it works. Jarvis Landry was headlined as 5/75 with $47M guaranteed but, a week later when all the details were out, it was actually a guaranteed 2/34 with his $13M 2020 salary subject to option.
Giants did give Solder all of his guaranteed money fully guaranteed but that's rare.
Ryan's fully guaranteed will still be huge but we'll have to wait to see the true number.
Not solely subject to option, but guaranteed for injury which is important to the player. As I understand it, if he can't pass a physical for the 2020 season, he gets paid his 2020 salary which is guaranteed for injury (of course that may be somewhat subjective, but I think if it was egregious the NFLPA would file a grievance)
Floyd Mayweather earned nearly 600 million, over half a billion dollars, in his last two nights alone. How do you think that makes Quarterbacks feel, and any other athletes feel for that matter? This man earned more in two fights than any other athletes could earn via salary in an entire career.
$30 million per year for pretty statistics but no big wins. No thank you.
The stats aren't even that pretty. He threw 20 TDs last year, and Atlanta was 15th in the NFL in scoring offense. Once Kyle Shanahan left he regressed to what he's been.
of who you pay and who you move on without. He’s much better than average but he isn’t a QB who can carry a team through tough times or through injuries.
I get why they kinda had to do this, but I certainly wouldn’t have.
about paying Matt Ryan than I would about Matthew Stafford.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
about paying Matt Ryan than I would about Matthew Stafford.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
If Atlanta didn’t pay him, someone else would. And all things considered, with what’s out there and in the draft, there aren’t many, if any that have proven they can get to the big dance. And extremely close to doing it two years ina row.
Not the Giants though. We wont have to pay a qb that much money for at least 3-5 years at the minimum.
Even if Eli retires or is cut next season and Webb takes over and becomes a stud, his contract wont end till 2021. If Lauletta is the man then not till 2022. And if they are both bums who knows....But I don't like that last part.
Unless say a Matthew Stafford becomes a FA and we wanted to sign him.
Stafford has all five years remaining on the contract he signed last year and the way the contract is structured, it would be extremely painful for Detroit to release him anytime sooner than the final year of his contract (2022). If they did, it would be for a reason (severe injury or ineffectiveness, etc.) that would probably also preclude the Giants from wanting to sign him.
When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
about paying Matt Ryan than I would about Matthew Stafford.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
Actually, IT WAS HIS FAULT. Complete Incompetence for the last 10+/- plays.
When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
Don't mind salaries going up, but QBs are getting too big a piece of the pie.
But it is whatever the teams are willing to pay.
the percentage of the cap allocated to the franchise QB appears to be going up. In 2018 Garoppolo will eat 17.5% of San Francisco's cap, which I'm confident saying is a record in the cap era. There are a couple other guys around 14%.
When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
Don't mind salaries going up, but QBs are getting too big a piece of the pie.
But it is whatever the teams are willing to pay.
I do agree with this. There's going to need to be a glut of talented QBs (or talented coaches who can win in spite of their lack thereof) in order to drive the price down.
the percentage of the cap allocated to the franchise QB appears to be going up. In 2018 Garoppolo will eat 17.5% of San Francisco's cap, which I'm confident saying is a record in the cap era. There are a couple other guys around 14%.
The ironic thing is just maybe the Giants are going the route that you have been suggesting. Maybe they intend to draft a QB that fits the scheme every couple of years to have cheap, interchangeable QBs so they can fill the rest of the roster. The reason I say it is ironic is because you are also on record as to hating the Barkley pick. But when Eli is gone, if they are not paying franchise QB money to one guy, paying a RB market value is much easier to swallow.
I have no idea if this is the direction they have intentionally chosen, I guess time will tell, but I do know paying Barkley a second contract will be much, much less than paying a QB a second contract, assuming they are even average. And if they aren’t even average, then I guess they made the right choice anyways
about paying Matt Ryan than I would about Matthew Stafford.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
I don’t think I would. Stafford is grittier and has a better arm. Switch their teams and I think I’d choose Stafford.
is he absolute worst. Thread upon thread about not over paying for other positions but the worst offender is at QB, by far.
If you can’t find a great one, you can be mediocre without spending $30 million per year. I’d rather get sick trying to find the next great QB for a decade than throw this kind of money at a QB who isn’t great.
When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
Don't mind salaries going up, but QBs are getting too big a piece of the pie.
But it is whatever the teams are willing to pay.
I do agree with this. There's going to need to be a glut of talented QBs (or talented coaches who can win in spite of their lack thereof) in order to drive the price down.
Or a supreme lack of production for teams to wake up and see it’s not worth it. Every bubble bursts, it will happen eventually.
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$30 million per year for pretty statistics but no big wins. No thank you.
This is an odd stance to take. He's an NFL MVP and was an asinine set of playcalls and a gassed defense away from being a SB champ.
The Eagles playoff loss in fresh in my mind. Also, he was one of the few people that could have impacted the play calls in the Super Bowl and he didn't.
trying to justify the lunacy of this contract while simultaneously making arguments that Saquon Barkley is overpaid.
Matt Ryan has very quickly superseded Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo and Matthew Stafford as the most resented man in NFL history. Welcome to quarterback hell Arthur Blank!
League MVP on his resume but "no big wins" narratives. Â
good for him for winning the award, and he should have won a title but blew ass with he rest of his team in the 2nd half of the SB. But there’s a very real possibility he will never see a season like he had 2 years ago ever again.
Like I said earlier, Atlanta had to do this and I get it. He’s right on that cusp. But slightly lesser players are going to top this contract, which is primarily what I’m against.
the percentage of the cap allocated to the franchise QB appears to be going up. In 2018 Garoppolo will eat 17.5% of San Francisco's cap, which I'm confident saying is a record in the cap era. There are a couple other guys around 14%.
The ironic thing is just maybe the Giants are going the route that you have been suggesting. Maybe they intend to draft a QB that fits the scheme every couple of years to have cheap, interchangeable QBs so they can fill the rest of the roster. The reason I say it is ironic is because you are also on record as to hating the Barkley pick. But when Eli is gone, if they are not paying franchise QB money to one guy, paying a RB market value is much easier to swallow.
I have no idea if this is the direction they have intentionally chosen, I guess time will tell, but I do know paying Barkley a second contract will be much, much less than paying a QB a second contract, assuming they are even average. And if they aren’t even average, then I guess they made the right choice anyways
You think?
Maybe hiring a coach who has a scheme in which a quarterback like Case Keenum, working in a balanced offensive attack, can be successful, makes some sense...
Maybe having a quarterback who has won two super bowls yet makes about a third less than the highest paid quarterbacks in the league and will therefore be embraced by his teammates and not resented makes some sense...
And maybe having a succession process that best enables mid-round quarterback draftees to exceed expectations ala Nick Foles or Russell Wilson by working within this balanced offensive attack makes some sense...
At some point, most of you will see that what Gettleman is doing for the Giants makes a lot of sense.
The rest of you - please carry on bashing running back positional value and gushing over unproven, undeserving and/or untalented opposing quarterbacks...
Russell Wilson is not an example of taking a midround pick Â
I mean what happens if he get's theisman'd this year. Dead franchise.
Not the Giants though. We wont have to pay a qb that much money for at least 3-5 years at the minimum.
Even if Eli retires or is cut next season and Webb takes over and becomes a stud, his contract wont end till 2021. If Lauletta is the man then not till 2022. And if they are both bums who knows....But I don't like that last part.
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Not the Giants though. We wont have to pay a qb that much money for at least 3-5 years at the minimum.
Even if Eli retires or is cut next season and Webb takes over and becomes a stud, his contract wont end till 2021. If Lauletta is the man then not till 2022. And if they are both bums who knows....But I don't like that last part.
Unless say a Matthew Stafford becomes a FA and we wanted to sign him.
Usually the way it works. Jarvis Landry was headlined as 5/75 with $47M guaranteed but, a week later when all the details were out, it was actually a guaranteed 2/34 with his $13M 2020 salary subject to option.
Giants did give Solder all of his guaranteed money fully guaranteed but that's rare.
Ryan's fully guaranteed will still be huge but we'll have to wait to see the true number.
That was the game the Eagles were there to be beaten. 1st and goal from the 9.
Sickening.
Usually the way it works. Jarvis Landry was headlined as 5/75 with $47M guaranteed but, a week later when all the details were out, it was actually a guaranteed 2/34 with his $13M 2020 salary subject to option.
Giants did give Solder all of his guaranteed money fully guaranteed but that's rare.
Ryan's fully guaranteed will still be huge but we'll have to wait to see the true number.
Not solely subject to option, but guaranteed for injury which is important to the player. As I understand it, if he can't pass a physical for the 2020 season, he gets paid his 2020 salary which is guaranteed for injury (of course that may be somewhat subjective, but I think if it was egregious the NFLPA would file a grievance)
otherwise agree.
When the Cap stops expanding.
Not solely subject to option, but guaranteed for injury which is important to the player.
Yes, that is a detail that OTC mentions that Spotrac does not and I appreciate the clarification.
Browns can release Landry after 2019 and avoid the 2020 salary; but only if he is healthy.
The stats aren't even that pretty. He threw 20 TDs last year, and Atlanta was 15th in the NFL in scoring offense. Once Kyle Shanahan left he regressed to what he's been.
They're out of their minds.
Come on, calling Matt Ryan average make you look foolish, it does not make him look average.
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Paying that kind of money for an average QB.
Come on, calling Matt Ryan average make you look foolish, it does not make him look average.
And that team was on the verge of the Conf championship and year removed from the SB.
I get why they kinda had to do this, but I certainly wouldn’t have.
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Paying that kind of money for an average QB.
Come on, calling Matt Ryan average make you look foolish, it does not make him look average.
And that team was on the verge of the Conf championship and year removed from the SB.
And it won't get that good again.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
If Atlanta didn’t pay him, someone else would. And all things considered, with what’s out there and in the draft, there aren’t many, if any that have proven they can get to the big dance. And extremely close to doing it two years ina row.
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Not the Giants though. We wont have to pay a qb that much money for at least 3-5 years at the minimum.
Even if Eli retires or is cut next season and Webb takes over and becomes a stud, his contract wont end till 2021. If Lauletta is the man then not till 2022. And if they are both bums who knows....But I don't like that last part.
Unless say a Matthew Stafford becomes a FA and we wanted to sign him.
Stafford has all five years remaining on the contract he signed last year and the way the contract is structured, it would be extremely painful for Detroit to release him anytime sooner than the final year of his contract (2022). If they did, it would be for a reason (severe injury or ineffectiveness, etc.) that would probably also preclude the Giants from wanting to sign him.
When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
Actually, IT WAS HIS FAULT. Complete Incompetence for the last 10+/- plays.
This is an odd stance to take. He's an NFL MVP and was an asinine set of playcalls and a gassed defense away from being a SB champ.
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When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
Don't mind salaries going up, but QBs are getting too big a piece of the pie.
But it is whatever the teams are willing to pay.
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When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
Don't mind salaries going up, but QBs are getting too big a piece of the pie.
But it is whatever the teams are willing to pay.
I do agree with this. There's going to need to be a glut of talented QBs (or talented coaches who can win in spite of their lack thereof) in order to drive the price down.
The ironic thing is just maybe the Giants are going the route that you have been suggesting. Maybe they intend to draft a QB that fits the scheme every couple of years to have cheap, interchangeable QBs so they can fill the rest of the roster. The reason I say it is ironic is because you are also on record as to hating the Barkley pick. But when Eli is gone, if they are not paying franchise QB money to one guy, paying a RB market value is much easier to swallow.
I have no idea if this is the direction they have intentionally chosen, I guess time will tell, but I do know paying Barkley a second contract will be much, much less than paying a QB a second contract, assuming they are even average. And if they aren’t even average, then I guess they made the right choice anyways
And I don't know if Ryan is a QB you can't win with.
I mean, no one is a winner until they are.
Peyton went a long time until he won and dealt with the stigma. So did Brees.
Brees was 30 before winning a SB, so was Peyton.
Ryan is 32. I wouldn't pay him this contract, but he's definitely not average and if he did win a SB I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It's really not his fault they didn't win one.
I don’t think I would. Stafford is grittier and has a better arm. Switch their teams and I think I’d choose Stafford.
If you can’t find a great one, you can be mediocre without spending $30 million per year. I’d rather get sick trying to find the next great QB for a decade than throw this kind of money at a QB who isn’t great.
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When has it ever ended, and why would it ever end? The cap goes up every year. Revenues go up every year. Salaries go up every year (generally). New contract equals new benchmark.
Don't mind salaries going up, but QBs are getting too big a piece of the pie.
But it is whatever the teams are willing to pay.
I do agree with this. There's going to need to be a glut of talented QBs (or talented coaches who can win in spite of their lack thereof) in order to drive the price down.
Or a supreme lack of production for teams to wake up and see it’s not worth it. Every bubble bursts, it will happen eventually.
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$30 million per year for pretty statistics but no big wins. No thank you.
This is an odd stance to take. He's an NFL MVP and was an asinine set of playcalls and a gassed defense away from being a SB champ.
The Eagles playoff loss in fresh in my mind. Also, he was one of the few people that could have impacted the play calls in the Super Bowl and he didn't.
Matt Ryan has very quickly superseded Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo and Matthew Stafford as the most resented man in NFL history. Welcome to quarterback hell Arthur Blank!
Like I said earlier, Atlanta had to do this and I get it. He’s right on that cusp. But slightly lesser players are going to top this contract, which is primarily what I’m against.
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the percentage of the cap allocated to the franchise QB appears to be going up. In 2018 Garoppolo will eat 17.5% of San Francisco's cap, which I'm confident saying is a record in the cap era. There are a couple other guys around 14%.
The ironic thing is just maybe the Giants are going the route that you have been suggesting. Maybe they intend to draft a QB that fits the scheme every couple of years to have cheap, interchangeable QBs so they can fill the rest of the roster. The reason I say it is ironic is because you are also on record as to hating the Barkley pick. But when Eli is gone, if they are not paying franchise QB money to one guy, paying a RB market value is much easier to swallow.
I have no idea if this is the direction they have intentionally chosen, I guess time will tell, but I do know paying Barkley a second contract will be much, much less than paying a QB a second contract, assuming they are even average. And if they aren’t even average, then I guess they made the right choice anyways
You think?
Maybe hiring a coach who has a scheme in which a quarterback like Case Keenum, working in a balanced offensive attack, can be successful, makes some sense...
Maybe having a quarterback who has won two super bowls yet makes about a third less than the highest paid quarterbacks in the league and will therefore be embraced by his teammates and not resented makes some sense...
And maybe having a succession process that best enables mid-round quarterback draftees to exceed expectations ala Nick Foles or Russell Wilson by working within this balanced offensive attack makes some sense...
At some point, most of you will see that what Gettleman is doing for the Giants makes a lot of sense.
The rest of you - please carry on bashing running back positional value and gushing over unproven, undeserving and/or untalented opposing quarterbacks...
Russell Wilson is an example of the league overlooking ability due to a player not fitting the accepted norms of the position.