According to a league source, Mike Budenholzer pulled out of the Suns job due to owner Robert Sarvers hands-on approach, not allowing employees to do their job.
David Fizdale shares the same line of thinking and does not look at Phoenix as an attractive coaching destination.
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David Fizdale passed on a 4-year offer from the Phoenix Suns before eventually accepting a 4-year offer from the New York Knicks to become head coach, league sources told The Athletic.
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The best organizations have great symmetry between the front office & coaching staff. David Fizdale feels like a Scott Perry guy, in terms of personality & philosophy. Knicks starting to look & act like a serious organization but still need a lot more talent to get out of the rut
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David Fizdale was the right choice. Applaud the Knicks for getting this one very, very right.
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David Fizdale is a grand slam hire for the #Knicks. He is the rare HC who is extremely well respected by players, personnel people, executives and other coaches as well. Has done it right his whole career ... if anyone can turn this team/franchise around, it's Fiz.
who is 4 games over .500 for his career. I think we just fired a series of beter coaches. Anyway, Dolan said the coach would be a player developer. Fizdale, may be, but has no record of such. The Mills/Perry team said he's be a player developer, and establish a defensive culture. Is that yet evident? They also said it would be importent for the guy to realize he was a team with them. I think that's all they got. Bud was the the move, or one of the younger guys who's been developing players.
As Phil pointed out Fizdale hasn't really proven anything and while he may turn out to be a decent coach can this team really afford another miss at HC right now. Go with the more proven commodity if you ask me.
The Mills/Perry team said he's be a player developer, and establish a defensive culture. Is that yet evident?
Considering his coaching background and the team he most recently worked for, I'd think it's likely.
Whatever you think of Pat Riley, he was a legendary hardass for preparation and work ethic. Spoelstra is in the same vein and I don't think you spend eight years working there if you don't have that value system. Memphis gave him his first coaching job, and that's a franchise that has been defense-first as well.
he's achieved nothing. He went to a bad school. Didn't establish himself anywher on his own. Looks ver much luch a Mills/Perry toady. I litterally can't imagine a less impressive pick. And I do acknowledge that guys like Mark Jackson, Brown and Woodson were even less "fresh." Got nothing they said they were looking for here.
they needed to come up with a better coach, not just a sigh of relief that it's not Jackson or Brown or Woodson. Something better had to happen, and Hornacek seems to have been a better coach than Fizdale.
they needed to come up with a better coach, not just a sigh of relief that it's not Jackson or Brown or Woodson. Something better had to happen, and Hornacek seems to have been a better coach than Fizdale.
D'Antoni wasn't a bad hire. We've had a decade long series of shitty talent and no draft picks.
If they chose Fizdale over Bud then I think thats a terrible choice. If Bud didnt fully want the Knicks job and Fiz is the 2nd choice- I understand that.
If they chose Fizdale over Bud then I think thats a terrible choice. If Bud didnt fully want the Knicks job and Fiz is the 2nd choice- I understand that.
I wonder if bud asked for power in the front office and that is the reason Knicks liked fizdale a little more....
Or it could be bud was not fully committed and fizdale was, he supposedly turned down the suns in Hope's of coming to knicks...
I have a feeling bud is going to take the year off
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
Player development wise, I believe he was instrumental in Josh Richardson, Tyler Johnson and Hassan Whiteside's growth. He helped transform (extend) the games of BIGs Bosh and Gasol. We are all aware of the friction w the latter. I am not aware of any other Grizzlies that developed well under DF.
I'd like to learn about how he subscribes to use of advanced metrics, analytics.
Still learning about him, but to this point, I am impressed.
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
And that's why some people are complaining.
I get it, people wanted bud, but you could also look at it as Knicks got one of the highly coveted guys and that guy wanted to come to the knicks...
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
Fizdale doesn't have a standout resume, there were better candidates on the market and the Knicks have a track record of making poor decisions.
This is better than landing Mark Jackson, but I'm with Phil on this... I'd have much rather gone with Bud or Blatt. At least Fizdale will be a + with recruiting FA's, when that time comes. His actual coaching acumen remains to be seen.
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
It doesn't matter unless the Knicks get the right pieces I llace...
Maybe bud didn't want to be patient, maybe he wanted to win right now...
is a very solid hire. No complaints here. I probably wouldn't have held to it but Mark Jackson had me considering bailing on the Knicks (until Dolan were gone).
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
gut just tells me Bud will be the Bucks coach. I don't see the point in arguing Bud until that shakes out. Milwaukee right now is as about a dream situation there is for a coaching candidate.
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
Yup, if lebron says I am coming if you get this guy, you go and get that guy...
You dont go and get that guy and then call lebron...
You have a guy who le Ron will talk to, have him make the call, if lebron says no chance, you stay the course
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
Oh dont get me wrong I think there is zero chance lebron comes
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
According to a league source, Mike Budenholzer pulled out of the Suns job due to owner Robert Sarvers hands-on approach, not allowing employees to do their job.
David Fizdale shares the same line of thinking and does not look at Phoenix as an attractive coaching destination.
Michael Scotto
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5 hours ago
David Fizdale passed on a 4-year offer from the Phoenix Suns before eventually accepting a 4-year offer from the New York Knicks to become head coach, league sources told The Athletic.
Michael Lee
Yahoo Sports NBA
The best organizations have great symmetry between the front office & coaching staff. David Fizdale feels like a Scott Perry guy, in terms of personality & philosophy. Knicks starting to look & act like a serious organization but still need a lot more talent to get out of the rut
Tim Reynolds
Associated Press
David Fizdale was the right choice. Applaud the Knicks for getting this one very, very right.
Jordan Schultz
Yahoo Sports
David Fizdale is a grand slam hire for the #Knicks. He is the rare HC who is extremely well respected by players, personnel people, executives and other coaches as well. Has done it right his whole career ... if anyone can turn this team/franchise around, it's Fiz.
Considering his coaching background and the team he most recently worked for, I'd think it's likely.
Whatever you think of Pat Riley, he was a legendary hardass for preparation and work ethic. Spoelstra is in the same vein and I don't think you spend eight years working there if you don't have that value system. Memphis gave him his first coaching job, and that's a franchise that has been defense-first as well.
This isn't Derek Fisher all over again. Or Jeff fkin Hornacek.
Everyone loves this move. Just be glad it isn't Mark Jackson.
LT coming up big as usual.
Hoky smokes! Natasha Sen....she farts, I suck. And no, there is no money in it for me.
Wade and lebron love the guy and both have said how important he was...
Spoelstra raves about the guy and basically said he Hope's he goes to the west...
Most considered him the best young coach on the market...
Yet according to you mills and Perry are imbeciles
D'Antoni wasn't a bad hire. We've had a decade long series of shitty talent and no draft picks.
Ha!
I wonder if bud asked for power in the front office and that is the reason Knicks liked fizdale a little more....
Or it could be bud was not fully committed and fizdale was, he supposedly turned down the suns in Hope's of coming to knicks...
I have a feeling bud is going to take the year off
I'd like to learn about how he subscribes to use of advanced metrics, analytics.
Still learning about him, but to this point, I am impressed.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
And that's why some people are complaining.
He'd come to NY and stop taking HGH. lolol (I kid, I kid ... or DOOOOO I?)
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
And that's why some people are complaining.
I get it, people wanted bud, but you could also look at it as Knicks got one of the highly coveted guys and that guy wanted to come to the knicks...
Perry, I can't say, but Steve Mills absolutely is an imbecile.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
This is better than landing Mark Jackson, but I'm with Phil on this... I'd have much rather gone with Bud or Blatt. At least Fizdale will be a + with recruiting FA's, when that time comes. His actual coaching acumen remains to be seen.
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
The entire Memphis grizzly team was pissed he was fired except for Gasol, that should tell you something right there..
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
It doesn't matter unless the Knicks get the right pieces I llace...
Maybe bud didn't want to be patient, maybe he wanted to win right now...
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
Yup, if lebron says I am coming if you get this guy, you go and get that guy...
You dont go and get that guy and then call lebron...
You have a guy who le Ron will talk to, have him make the call, if lebron says no chance, you stay the course
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
As much as I would hate it, you have to do it
If they had any guts,they would have hired someone like Stackhouse
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
Oh dont get me wrong I think there is zero chance lebron comes
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?