I decided to watch the highlights of Geno Smith play his one game for us against the Raiders , and honestly he played decently.
As a franchise QB , there should be no comparison between Eli Manning and Geno Smith.
In one game , Geno Smith put up 17 points...
In the 15 games that Eli Manning started , the team averaged 15 points...
In fact against Arizona they put up a whopping zero points , just peachy...
Now to be fair to Eli , I do remember Evan Engram dropping a handful of Eli's passes when he played with him , so thats not Eli's fault.
Eli Manning is a better QB than this , and I do not want Geno Smith as our starter , but take a look for yourself at Geno's highlights , I posted the link below.
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That being said, what point are you trying to make?
I'd rather not make your point for you.
Geno is not a franchise QB.
However, Geno is owed some respect because of one game?
One. Lousy. Game.
That he fumbled twice.
(Sigh).
One of the truly bizarre things about this board.
Geez.
And honestly, who the hell even cares. Last year was an abomination. Forget it.
Who cares. Which qb is more likely to play well when things are funtioning around him? Take a wild guess...
No dice.
I mean... c’mon..,
One of the reasons being not having to watch Geno Smith play quarterback.
I suspect you'll be able to knock it out fairly quickly if you source properly.
You know how we try never to mention the name of R** H*****y?
I vote we disavow Geno Smith ever started for the Giants. Eli got benched and we simply lined up 10 men on offense that game.
Geno’s play was acceptable that day but nothing special.
I agree with Bradshaw44. The Raiders game demonstrated Eli wasn’t the problem with the offense, which was the case McAdoo was trying to prove. At this point there is no secret he wanted a more mobile QB for his offense. He needed to prove Eli was the reason the Giants weren’t winning. He failed to make that point. McAdoo was consistently stubborn during his tenure. Never once did he adjust his offense to his players abilities.
You know how we try never to mention the name of R** H*****y?
I vote we disavow Geno Smith ever started for the Giants. Eli got benched and we simply lined up 10 men on offense that game.
Unfortunately, and for all the wrong reasons, Geno Smith represents a notable footnote in NYG history (beyond just the nightmarish season and all the drama that went down that week and the next).
Besides that, Geno was an innocent bystander in the whole situation. He doesn't really deserve R** H*****y treatment, IMO.
He s hated because through no fault of his own he broke Eli s streak.
He s a young by quarterback and Giants had every right to see what he could bring to the table
No one is suggesting he s in Eli s league.
Who cares. Which qb is more likely to play well when things are funtioning around him? Take a wild guess...
I feel pretty comfortable saying that if Eli played that game, he might have gotten killed. Geno was running for his life half the time - not exactly Eli's strong suit. The best thing about Geno playing that game is that Eli's still with us
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IK Enemkpali is to Geno Smith
Think about that for a while. Perhaps the next time you put these two names in a thread title you might reconsider whose name comes first...
Maybe to Mac's benefit it shows he can elevate non-franchise QBs?
Might go to show that there isn't much separation between Geno and Eli?
Might show that Eli's getting old? Maybe he's not his 2011 self still?
It's still just one game, but it does give you some kind of glimpse of what a non-Eli Giants may look like. Eli isn't the end all be all QB forever. Eli hasn't been Eli for a long time now. We've seen glimpses of his former self, but we haven't seen consistency in a long while.
I have a lot of hope that this season will be a good one for him but it's predicated on a few things:
1) The offensive line is average at worst.
2) The running game is in the top 15.
3) Eli can learn to not hear footsteps again. Can he get rid of his PTSD?
We'll see. I think point #3 is why Geno had similar results as Eli. Geno had fresh legs and youth/mobility on his side and didn't hear footsteps every play.
Eli does not have flash and is virtually immobile. But he is a master in the pocket and terrific in the vertical passing game when he has time. But he needs a balanced offensive attack built on effective play action.
So WHY WHY WHY would you fire Kevin Gilbride, hire a coach like McAdoo who built his offensive scheme around perhaps the finest quarterback in NFL history in Aaron Rodgers, and then expect Eli to be someone he is not? And then pay Eli a huge contract??? If you wanted a WCO attack with a mobile quarterback, why sign Eli to a long term contract? Absolutely atrocious decision making by Mara and Reese.
So you can't blame Eli for the head scratching and illogical moves conducted by Giants ownership/management these past seven years. The playing field is now being equalized by Gettleman and I believe Eli will step up in Shurmur's offensive scheme just as he did in the super bowl runs under Coughlin and Gilbride and just as Case Keenum did last year with the Vikings.
lulz. You participated
Oooops, so did I? Just like Geno - participated.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
Nailed it.
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
That's bullshit. McAdoo gave Eli the half cocked plan of pulling him at halftime from then on out, whether they were winning or not.
That's bullshit.
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
That's bullshit. McAdoo gave Eli the half cocked plan of pulling him at halftime from then on out, whether they were winning or not.
That's bullshit.
What you said doesnt contradict anything i said. You actually are just repeating what i said. Mcadoo did not tell eli he was not starting. Eli made that decision. Whats bullshit is you calling what i said “bullshit” while not only not refuting it, but reinforcing it. Weird. Legit weird bro. I know you love Eli but cmon
Im not even looking at this from an eli perspective. Im most disappointed in john mara for being spineless
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
That's bullshit. McAdoo gave Eli the half cocked plan of pulling him at halftime from then on out, whether they were winning or not.
That's bullshit.
They always seem to leave out the "no matter how you are playing Eli, you are still coming out" part.
Eli does not have flash and is virtually immobile. But he is a master in the pocket and terrific in the vertical passing game when he has time. But he needs a balanced offensive attack built on effective play action.
So WHY WHY WHY would you fire Kevin Gilbride, hire a coach like McAdoo who built his offensive scheme around perhaps the finest quarterback in NFL history in Aaron Rodgers, and then expect Eli to be someone he is not? And then pay Eli a huge contract??? If you wanted a WCO attack with a mobile quarterback, why sign Eli to a long term contract? Absolutely atrocious decision making by Mara and Reese.
So you can't blame Eli for the head scratching and illogical moves conducted by Giants ownership/management these past seven years. The playing field is now being equalized by Gettleman and I believe Eli will step up in Shurmur's offensive scheme just as he did in the super bowl runs under Coughlin and Gilbride and just as Case Keenum did last year with the Vikings.
THIS!!!!! Great post. Thank Jerry "not my fault" Reese.
And enough of these idiotic OPs. ANyone who thinks you can win with Geno SMith is an idiot. He did waht he always does against the Raiders: plays decently, does a few nice things, then does a few really stupid things and commits unforgiveable turnovers. ANd compunds it by attacking his ex coach in the post game presser. MORON
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
That's bullshit. McAdoo gave Eli the half cocked plan of pulling him at halftime from then on out, whether they were winning or not.
That's bullshit.
They always seem to leave out the "no matter how you are playing Eli, you are still coming out" part.
Geno Smith cultists don't seem to understand Eli has something called integrity. He wasn't going for goof around just to go for a record. It was an absolute cowardly joke for Mara/Reese/Slick to make that offer to Eli.
Eli manned up and made the executive decision.
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
Nailed it.
nailed it,mac was the only adult in the room.eli was the selfish villain in that whole episode.
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that a coach knew he was being fired if his plan didn't succeed. So he coached it with the motivation to prove his point that Eli was holding back the offense only for Geno to prove his counter-point. Not sure the point of the mental gymnastics using a sample size of 1 singular game.
Actually, and i knew people would quickly forget these details, but Mcadoo came to Eli telling him they wanted to simply look at other QBs with the team out of contention. The plan was to continue to start Eli but work other guys in. Mcadoo is a clown but this was perfectly understandable. It was Eli who then made the decision to bench himself basically by saying “if i aint finishing i aint starting.” And now on top of fairly being labeled a bad coach, Mcadoo gets an extra layer of hate thrown on top for what was an entirely reasonable request that Eli made into something substantially bigger, caused a fan backlash, and made management tuck their tail so fast it was actually quite disheartening. The unprecedented (for this organization) in-season firing was made, followed by an assurance that Eli was back to play every snap of some meaningless football....You dont run your team like that. Forget Eli or Mcadoo, that whole situation told me John Mara is a pussy
My gosh how you have things twisted. Do you make thus garbage up as you go or do you just live in la la land??
That was not the plan presented to Eli. Mcadoo told Eli he would be pulled after the first half regardless of the score or how he was playing. Name me one head coach that ever enacted such a ridiculous plan. It was a dumb plan and mcadoo purposely presented such a plan, knowing full well that Eli would refuse it and allow him to put in Geno (not webb).
If mcadoo had ever presented to Eli that he may be pulled later in games if the game gets out of hand, then the narrative and reaction would have been totally different. And no one wanted to see Geno Smith.
and when mike francesa went on his epic rant the media followed and piled on.
If he doesn't perform next year, he will not last the season. Shurmur and DG are not going to roll along with mediocre QB play, too much at stake for both. Eli is being given one last chance, that he deserves. He does, for what he has done for us as fans gives him the capital for this one last chance. Let it go. Let's watch watch. we should be hoping he succeeds.
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You call it a diva play. Put his own wishes above the desires of the team, and (if he believes he is the best qb on the roster) the fortunes of the team because him playing some is better than not at all. Phil rivers does that you shit all over him and dont tell me for a second you wouldnt. But eli does it and we are gonna hail it as the ultra integrity move? Im out of this thread. Some of you are legitimately out of your minds
and when mike francesa went on his epic rant the media followed and piled on.
Oh yeah, because everyone follows everything Mike says and beats the drums behind every one of his epic rants
In the words of Ron white....you can't fix stupid
And there is a whole lot of stupid on this thread