This guy’s attitude has ALWAYS sucked. I remember how the video of him being a dick to Eli during the draft process. I’m glad we didn’t get stuck with this clown. I’d rather be stuck with Rivers over this guy.
I’m retiring... no I’m not... yes I am... no I’m, wait why’d you pick HIM? - (
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Drama Queen asshole.
How can these idiots not help themselves?
You want to go into Tomlins office and be a dick like this then so be it but how does this help Ben in any way.
Ponderous man, f'in Ponderous
Eli has been paid more than $40MM more than Ben over the course of their career. That's not to excuse the poor job Reese did of building a team around Eli, but when you have the highest paid player in NFL history on your roster (and one who has never taken a pay cut and only once restructured salary to bonus), you're doing it with one hand tied behind your back.
That extra $3MM per year of salary variance could have made the difference between keeping a player and losing him, or signing a top free agent instead of a mid-level guy. Add in a better scouting staff (and more importantly, understanding how to scout for their own schemes), and of course Roethlisberger has had a better roster around him.
Putting him on a team with Shockey, Barber, and Toomer?
They would've destroyed him.
I won't even get into Roethlisberger in NY itself.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/16/roethlisberger.incident/index.html
Swell guy...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/16/roethlisberger.incident/index.html
Swell guy...
Where there's smoke, there's fire, and IIRC there were 3 girls at that time with very similar stories of bathroom rape by Roethlisberger. He's very lucky to have dodged this before #metoo could put it back out there.
It's Reese's fault the 2004 Giants were 6-10 and the 2004 Steelers were 15-1?
Wait, I forgot. Everthing negative in the Eli era was Reese and everything positive was Accorsi or Gettleman.
I give Reese credit...for the Super Bowls, OBJ, Collins...many decent rosters.
In rape accusation suits.
Mason is a pretty solid QB just needs mentoring sadly for Steelers fans it doesn’t sound like that is in the plans for him. I wish Mason well not so much Ben.
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Yet, another reason to be pissed at Reese.
Eli has been paid more than $40MM more than Ben over the course of their career. That's not to excuse the poor job Reese did of building a team around Eli, but when you have the highest paid player in NFL history on your roster (and one who has never taken a pay cut and only once restructured salary to bonus), you're doing it with one hand tied behind your back.
That extra $3MM per year of salary variance could have made the difference between keeping a player and losing him, or signing a top free agent instead of a mid-level guy. Add in a better scouting staff (and more importantly, understanding how to scout for their own schemes), and of course Roethlisberger has had a better roster around him.
Hate to rain on your agenda of contract issues. But since 2009, eli has made a total of 8 million more than Ben. I really doubt that’s the reason why Eli has been hamstrung. And according overthecap. Eli has. Made 199 million o bend 169. With 22 more coming in their rookie contract.
I found all this at overthecap. You not including rookie contract details is very deceiving.
Yeah, that’s been killing us for years.
No he isnt. The case is going to court, not Eli.
Just sayin.....
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Yet, another reason to be pissed at Reese.
It's Reese's fault the 2004 Giants were 6-10 and the 2004 Steelers were 15-1?
Wait, I forgot. Everthing negative in the Eli era was Reese and everything positive was Accorsi or Gettleman.
So the drafts since 2009 haven't been sn issue? That's why Pittsburgh have been so good winning every year (winning record without Ben speaks for itself): drafts.
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Yet, another reason to be pissed at Reese.
It's Reese's fault the 2004 Giants were 6-10 and the 2004 Steelers were 15-1?
Wait, I forgot. Everthing negative in the Eli era was Reese and everything positive was Accorsi or Gettleman.
So the drafts since 2009 haven't been sn issue? That's why Pittsburgh have been so good winning every year (winning record without Ben speaks for itself): drafts.
Definitely Reese fell off and was terrible - worse than Dan Snyder - the last 5-6 years or so. I'm just challenging the current mindset which says one or more of the following:
1) Reese was never, ever good at being a GM
2) Anything positive ever associated with Reese in his career was really either Accorsi or Gettleman
3) Anything wrong that happened in the Accorsi era was on Reese
Reese was a good GM up through our 2nd ring and deserves credit for it.
Yea no shit that Big Ben wants no part of a rookie trying to take his job. Just like the GOAT Brady or Favre or any qb with an ego which all have. Giants passed on a qb because Eli was hurt last year and fans revolted so they took a running back.
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No he isnt. The case is going to court, not Eli.
Just sayin.....
eli will be in the court with his lawyers,unless they settle out of court. just sayin
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How’d this become about Reese?
The lengths some go to.,,,
Yeah, that’s been killing us for years.
I found this which indicates Ei way above Ben thru last year in earnings. Didn't audit it though...
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-quarterbacks-career-earnings-salary-millions-ranked-active-052317
You are such a fucking idiot. Sundayatone logic fake memorabilia = rape.
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You are such a fucking idiot. Sundayatone logic fake memorabilia = rape.
still wearin that 56 jersey,bet you wear it proudly.
Why?
Rivers simply has not been as good as Eli – especially when it has counted. He has had a number of teams with a much stronger supporting cast in San Diego than any Giants team during Eli's tenure, but Rivers only reached the AFC championship once, ironically in 2007, and lost to the very Patriots whom Eli beat in Super Bowl XLII.
Roethlisberger has arguably been the best performer of the three beating Rivers in their one playoff matchup in 2008 and matching Eli’s two super bowls. But his persona would have likely clashed with a large media market like New York. The Pittsburgh Steelers have been a perfect match for him, both as a smaller market franchise and a strong supporting cast and coach. I do not believe Ben would have survived the relentless assault on his free spirit here. The comments in the article posted by the OP are a good indication. And how do you think he would have felt about being asked to change everything in his quarterback play despite twice winning the super bowl? And then to go from a super bowl winning coach in Tom Coughlin to a high school gym teacher in Ben McAdoo? I think we all know exactly how he would have responded – we saw it yesterday with how Matt Harvey responded to the Mets request that Harvey go to the minors.
Which brings me to Eli who would not only never make comments like those made by Big Ben in the article, but he has accepted every inane decision made by Reese/Mara over the past seven years with dignity and grace.
I have been called an "Eli Apologist" an "Eli Fanboy" and a recent favorite, an "Eli Cultist"... I find this so amusing knowing that I was originally against Eli and furious that we gave away so much for a quarterback who was equal in my opinion to the other two. But I was as wrong then as I am correct now. Eli has not only been the right quarterback for this team, but had we selected Rivers or Roethlisberger, I am convinced the Giants franchise would still have only two Lombardi trophies. And now that Eli has again been given a more talented supporting cast, solid head coach and a sensible offensive scheme that leverages his skill set, Eli will outperform both of them in their final chapters in the NFL....
And after the three of them have retired in 3-4 years, Eli will not only have the demonstrably best NFL career of the three, but he will ultimately be the first among them to be elected to Canton...
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If both play out their contracts at the end of 1019. Eli would have made 27 more million in career than Ben 230 million to 203 million. With 22 million coming in rookie deal... that means in the last 10 years... Eli made a whopping 500,000 more a year than Ben.
Yeah, that’s been killing us for years.
I found this which indicates Ei way above Ben thru last year in earnings. Didn't audit it though...
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-quarterbacks-career-earnings-salary-millions-ranked-active-052317
found my info at overthecap. So someone’s off.
there is a golf course called laurel valley outside of pittsburgh. very private, exclusive but really elegant and low key. BR evidently shows up one saturday morning at the proshop and says he wants to play. the pro tells him its a private course and does he have a member with him? BR says no but that shouldn't matter because he's BR and everyone knows him in pittsburgh. the pro acknowledges that he knows him well, is a big fan but rules are rules. sorry, just can't do it.
BR storms out of the proshop, waits in his car for a few minutes then gets out, puts his shoes on, puts his bag on a cart, goes up to the first tee, cuts in front of a couple of foursomes, tees off and drives off down he fairway without even saying hello or excuse me to any of the members waiting to play. he finishes the first hole, goes to the second tee and is about to hit when he feels someone tap him on the shoulder. turns around and its arnold palmer who lives close by. laurel valley his home course.
arnie looks at BR and evidently says "son, here's what you're going to do. you're going to get in your cart and drive back to the pro shop, apologize to the pro and sign autographs from anyone who wants one for as long as it takes. and then you're going to get in your car and you are never fucking coming back to this club. ever. are we clear?"
BR, for maybe the first time in his life, does what he's told.
I would have imploded in NY.
there is a golf course called laurel valley outside of pittsburgh. very private, exclusive but really elegant and low key. BR evidently shows up one saturday morning at the proshop and says he wants to play. the pro tells him its a private course and does he have a member with him? BR says no but that shouldn't matter because he's BR and everyone knows him in pittsburgh. the pro acknowledges that he knows him well, is a big fan but rules are rules. sorry, just can't do it.
BR storms out of the proshop, waits in his car for a few minutes then gets out, puts his shoes on, puts his bag on a cart, goes up to the first tee, cuts in front of a couple of foursomes, tees off and drives off down he fairway without even saying hello or excuse me to any of the members waiting to play. he finishes the first hole, goes to the second tee and is about to hit when he feels someone tap him on the shoulder. turns around and its arnold palmer who lives close by. laurel valley his home course.
arnie looks at BR and evidently says "son, here's what you're going to do. you're going to get in your cart and drive back to the pro shop, apologize to the pro and sign autographs from anyone who wants one for as long as it takes. and then you're going to get in your car and you are never fucking coming back to this club. ever. are we clear?"
BR, for maybe the first time in his life, does what he's told.
Great story! Thanks for sharing...
I would have imploded in NY.
i have a source in pitts who says he is a dedicated member in his church.
Yea no shit that Big Ben wants no part of a rookie trying to take his job. Just like the GOAT Brady or Favre or any qb with an ego which all have. Giants passed on a qb because Eli was hurt last year and fans revolted so they took a running back.
And on the second part, the BS is coming from you. St extremely unlikely that the Giants passed on a QB because of “fan revolt” and there certainly is zero evidence to support that contention. Again, you can take the reaching for lesser players side, many people have, and debate it on merits other than fan influence on team-building decisions. Because that point, quite frankly, is so ignorant as to be worth nobody’s time.
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I wanted the Giants to draft him. Man I am glad they didn't. He is a real piece of shit. And is still screwing around on his wife per someone I know in Pittsburgh.
I would have imploded in NY.
i have a source in pitts who says he is a dedicated member in his church.
So was the BTK killer...
Yes, those two accusations are completely equivalent. Forcing yourself on a woman in a bathroom is equal to saying a jersey is game worn.
A serious question — are your posts on this site serious? Because every time I read your name, I know some inane and foolish stuff is coming about Eli. I mean, it’s like clockwork. A large part of me believes you’re a rival fan trolling the board. I mean hell, this is a thread where the douchiness of Big Ben is discussed and you’re here going, “Eli Manning Jersey Fraud!”
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Yes, those two accusations are completely equivalent. Forcing yourself on a woman in a bathroom is equal to saying a jersey is game worn.
A serious question — are your posts on this site serious? Because every time I read your name, I know some inane and foolish stuff is coming about Eli. I mean, it’s like clockwork. A large part of me believes you’re a rival fan trolling the board. I mean hell, this is a thread where the douchiness of Big Ben is discussed and you’re here going, “Eli Manning Jersey Fraud!”
lawrence taylor was a real eagle scout,but he is your eagle scout,thats all that matters.
there is a golf course called laurel valley outside of pittsburgh. very private, exclusive but really elegant and low key. BR evidently shows up one saturday morning at the proshop and says he wants to play. the pro tells him its a private course and does he have a member with him? BR says no but that shouldn't matter because he's BR and everyone knows him in pittsburgh. the pro acknowledges that he knows him well, is a big fan but rules are rules. sorry, just can't do it.
BR storms out of the proshop, waits in his car for a few minutes then gets out, puts his shoes on, puts his bag on a cart, goes up to the first tee, cuts in front of a couple of foursomes, tees off and drives off down he fairway without even saying hello or excuse me to any of the members waiting to play. he finishes the first hole, goes to the second tee and is about to hit when he feels someone tap him on the shoulder. turns around and its arnold palmer who lives close by. laurel valley his home course.
arnie looks at BR and evidently says "son, here's what you're going to do. you're going to get in your cart and drive back to the pro shop, apologize to the pro and sign autographs from anyone who wants one for as long as it takes. and then you're going to get in your car and you are never fucking coming back to this club. ever. are we clear?"
BR, for maybe the first time in his life, does what he's told.
That’s fucking awesome!
Has there ever been a stupider argument in the history of sports? So nobody is allowed to talk about current events and give their opinions on true scumbags that are actually relevant today, because well, the Giants once 1000 years go had a scumbag too. Half the Giants fans alive weren’t even born yet or old enough to remember LT, but yeah, everyone should shut up and remain silent on a known rapist that still plays.
Freaking senseless idiots around here
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Yet, another reason to be pissed at Reese.
Eli has been paid more than $40MM more than Ben over the course of their career. That's not to excuse the poor job Reese did of building a team around Eli, but when you have the highest paid player in NFL history on your roster (and one who has never taken a pay cut and only once restructured salary to bonus), you're doing it with one hand tied behind your back.
That extra $3MM per year of salary variance could have made the difference between keeping a player and losing him, or signing a top free agent instead of a mid-level guy. Add in a better scouting staff (and more importantly, understanding how to scout for their own schemes), and of course Roethlisberger has had a better roster around him.
Hate to rain on your agenda of contract issues. But since 2009, eli has made a total of 8 million more than Ben. I really doubt that’s the reason why Eli has been hamstrung. And according overthecap. Eli has. Made 199 million o bend 169. With 22 more coming in their rookie contract.
I found all this at overthecap. You not including rookie contract details is very deceiving.
Spotrac has Eli at $219.3MM cash earned to date; Ben is at $170.3MM. So it's actually more like $50MM variance between the two to date, depending on which source you trust.
It's not just the rookie contract, either, although that plays some part. Using your marker of "since 2009"), Eli has topped Ben in cash earnings $172MM to $125.5MM. Now, to be fair, Ben re-signed in 2008 (whereas Eli re-signed in 2009), so even if you want to include that $25MM signing bonus (which makes it a more fair comparison, even though you chose the timeframe), Eli has still topped Ben by more than $21MM after their rookie contracts.
If it was just rookie contracts, I wouldn't bring it up at all. Even using OTC shows that there was only a $22MM variance in their rookie contracts (but neither played out their full rookie contract and, as mentioned above, Ben cashed in on a new contract a year earlier than Eli).
There's no way to deny that Eli has maximized his earnings throughout his career - he's going to finish as the highest paid player in league history, after all. In a salary cap league, that does have an effect on the rest of your roster. How much of an effect is certainly open to debate, but to suggest it has had no effect at all seems somewhat unrealistic.
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Yes, those two accusations are completely equivalent. Forcing yourself on a woman in a bathroom is equal to saying a jersey is game worn.
A serious question — are your posts on this site serious? Because every time I read your name, I know some inane and foolish stuff is coming about Eli. I mean, it’s like clockwork. A large part of me believes you’re a rival fan trolling the board. I mean hell, this is a thread where the douchiness of Big Ben is discussed and you’re here going, “Eli Manning Jersey Fraud!”
lawrence taylor was a real eagle scout,but he is your eagle scout,thats all that matters.
Well I guess this confirms it. Troll. Enjoy your pathetic lifestyle dickhead.
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just sayin
Yes, those two accusations are completely equivalent. Forcing yourself on a woman in a bathroom is equal to saying a jersey is game worn.
A serious question — are your posts on this site serious? Because every time I read your name, I know some inane and foolish stuff is coming about Eli. I mean, it’s like clockwork. A large part of me believes you’re a rival fan trolling the board. I mean hell, this is a thread where the douchiness of Big Ben is discussed and you’re here going, “Eli Manning Jersey Fraud!”
lawrence taylor was a real eagle scout,but he is your eagle scout,thats all that matters.
I’m not seeing where Lawrence Taylor is mentioned in my post. But at least, his crimes and Ben’s accusations are in the same ballpark. Both being despicable acts against women.
Yeah, that’s been killing us for years.
I think you might be missing that neither of them completed their rookie contracts - they both renegotiated early, Ben a year earlier than Eli.
But it's odd that Spotrac and OTC have such significantly different numbers for the two of them. Spotrac has them $49MM apart currently, with Ben scheduled to earn $1MM more than Eli over the next two years (entirely in this coming season).
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No he isnt. The case is going to court, not Eli.
Just sayin.....
eli will be in the court with his lawyers,unless they settle out of court. just sayin
You’re one of the worst posters here. Just sayin
Although I can see where you might’ve gotten the impression... my using the word ‘stuck’ with him wasn’t meant to be used or interpreted as an insult to Rivers. I also think he’s a very good QB.
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Yet, another reason to be pissed at Reese.
Eli has been paid more than $40MM more than Ben over the course of their career. That's not to excuse the poor job Reese did of building a team around Eli, but when you have the highest paid player in NFL history on your roster (and one who has never taken a pay cut and only once restructured salary to bonus), you're doing it with one hand tied behind your back.
That extra $3MM per year of salary variance could have made the difference between keeping a player and losing him, or signing a top free agent instead of a mid-level guy. Add in a better scouting staff (and more importantly, understanding how to scout for their own schemes), and of course Roethlisberger has had a better roster around him.
Hate to rain on your agenda of contract issues. But since 2009, eli has made a total of 8 million more than Ben. I really doubt that’s the reason why Eli has been hamstrung. And according overthecap. Eli has. Made 199 million o bend 169. With 22 more coming in their rookie contract.
I found all this at overthecap. You not including rookie contract details is very deceiving.
Spotrac has Eli at $219.3MM cash earned to date; Ben is at $170.3MM. So it's actually more like $50MM variance between the two to date, depending on which source you trust.
It's not just the rookie contract, either, although that plays some part. Using your marker of "since 2009"), Eli has topped Ben in cash earnings $172MM to $125.5MM. Now, to be fair, Ben re-signed in 2008 (whereas Eli re-signed in 2009), so even if you want to include that $25MM signing bonus (which makes it a more fair comparison, even though you chose the timeframe), Eli has still topped Ben by more than $21MM after their rookie contracts.
If it was just rookie contracts, I wouldn't bring it up at all. Even using OTC shows that there was only a $22MM variance in their rookie contracts (but neither played out their full rookie contract and, as mentioned above, Ben cashed in on a new contract a year earlier than Eli).
There's no way to deny that Eli has maximized his earnings throughout his career - he's going to finish as the highest paid player in league history, after all. In a salary cap league, that does have an effect on the rest of your roster. How much of an effect is certainly open to debate, but to suggest it has had no effect at all seems somewhat unrealistic.
Does that include endorsements though?
No, it's just money that the Giants and Steelers have paid Eli and Ben, respectively, in salary, bonuses, and incentives.
And the point about Eli being the highest paid player in NFL history at the end of his current contract is also specifically tied to (and compared to) total player contract earnings, no outside income included.