This guy’s attitude has ALWAYS sucked. I remember how the video of him being a dick to Eli during the draft process. I’m glad we didn’t get stuck with this clown. I’d rather be stuck with Rivers over this guy.
I’m retiring... no I’m not... yes I am... no I’m, wait why’d you pick HIM? - (
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there is a golf course called laurel valley outside of pittsburgh. very private, exclusive but really elegant and low key. BR evidently shows up one saturday morning at the proshop and says he wants to play. the pro tells him its a private course and does he have a member with him? BR says no but that shouldn't matter because he's BR and everyone knows him in pittsburgh. the pro acknowledges that he knows him well, is a big fan but rules are rules. sorry, just can't do it.
BR storms out of the proshop, waits in his car for a few minutes then gets out, puts his shoes on, puts his bag on a cart, goes up to the first tee, cuts in front of a couple of foursomes, tees off and drives off down he fairway without even saying hello or excuse me to any of the members waiting to play. he finishes the first hole, goes to the second tee and is about to hit when he feels someone tap him on the shoulder. turns around and its arnold palmer who lives close by. laurel valley his home course.
arnie looks at BR and evidently says "son, here's what you're going to do. you're going to get in your cart and drive back to the pro shop, apologize to the pro and sign autographs from anyone who wants one for as long as it takes. and then you're going to get in your car and you are never fucking coming back to this club. ever. are we clear?"
BR, for maybe the first time in his life, does what he's told.
Wow. On so many levels.
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I wanted the Giants to draft him. Man I am glad they didn't. He is a real piece of shit. And is still screwing around on his wife per someone I know in Pittsburgh.
I would have imploded in NY.
i have a source in pitts who says he is a dedicated member in his church.
Are you for real? What a wad.
Enjoying the continued non-sense that Roeth is only better because he’s been surrounded by more talent. I guess we need to downgrade Montana now because Walsh drafted some of the game’s greatest players - Rice, Haley, Lott, etc - to play with the real GOAT.
I see nothing wrong with what Roeth said. I don’t now why it’s even a story. Typical, Florio trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
And for those stacking Eli ahead of Rivers, as if it’s a no-brained, I suggest you visit pro-football-reference.com to familiarize yourself with Rivers stats. The guy has been outstanding.
Years after flip-flopping between him suggesting he’s going to retire and then changing his mind and he’s not sure why they’d prepare for life after him and they should’ve used the pick for more help for ‘them’ (funny how it becomes about THEM when it’s convenient for him)? Yeah... ok. Roethlisberger has shown himself to be a grade A asshole since his first before their draft years ago and he’s done absolutely nothing to change that opinion. From rape allegations... to stories like the ones above... to him acting like Brett Favre junior with the constant ‘This is it... Sike!’ going back and forth the guy has shown himself to be a prick.
I could care less about the argument who’s better between him and Eli because it irrelevant to this discussion. This is about him showing how much of an insecure, self entitled jerk he’s been AT LEAST since the ‘04 draft. Again, I can honestly say that after ‘knowing’ you for almost 20 years now I’m not one bit surprised at your stance on this... I actually would’ve been stunned if you’d have agreed.
But this is what takes the cake:
Nice slip up by the fucking douche sundayatone who only posts to slam Eli. By "Your Eagle Scout", I'm assuming he isn't YOUR Eagle Scout, which means you are pulling for another team.
Not surprising, but what a pathetic display to troll a message board with one sole intent.
there is a golf course called laurel valley outside of pittsburgh. very private, exclusive but really elegant and low key. BR evidently shows up one saturday morning at the proshop and says he wants to play. the pro tells him its a private course and does he have a member with him? BR says no but that shouldn't matter because he's BR and everyone knows him in pittsburgh. the pro acknowledges that he knows him well, is a big fan but rules are rules. sorry, just can't do it.
BR storms out of the proshop, waits in his car for a few minutes then gets out, puts his shoes on, puts his bag on a cart, goes up to the first tee, cuts in front of a couple of foursomes, tees off and drives off down he fairway without even saying hello or excuse me to any of the members waiting to play. he finishes the first hole, goes to the second tee and is about to hit when he feels someone tap him on the shoulder. turns around and its arnold palmer who lives close by. laurel valley his home course.
arnie looks at BR and evidently says "son, here's what you're going to do. you're going to get in your cart and drive back to the pro shop, apologize to the pro and sign autographs from anyone who wants one for as long as it takes. and then you're going to get in your car and you are never fucking coming back to this club. ever. are we clear?"
BR, for maybe the first time in his life, does what he's told.
Yeah, this story is probably false. There is a different version, where Palmer and BR played together at Latrobe Country Club (where Palmer's ashes were later spread) and another time BR went back there and name dropped Palmer to get on the course. While he was playing, BR was rude to a couple of kids, who turned out to be Palmer's grandkids. The kids called Palmer, who showed up and went off on BR.
BR has said himself that he played with Palmer at Latrobe in 2008. Said it was a blast. But someone close to BR denied that anything negative ever happened between BR and Palmer.
Years after flip-flopping between him suggesting he’s going to retire and then changing his mind and he’s not sure why they’d prepare for life after him and they should’ve used the pick for more help for ‘them’ (funny how it becomes about THEM when it’s convenient for him)? Yeah... ok. Roethlisberger has shown himself to be a grade A asshole since his first before their draft years ago and he’s done absolutely nothing to change that opinion. From rape allegations... to stories like the ones above... to him acting like Brett Favre junior with the constant ‘This is it... Sike!’ going back and forth the guy has shown himself to be a prick.
I could care less about the argument who’s better between him and Eli because it irrelevant to this discussion. This is about him showing how much of an insecure, self entitled jerk he’s been AT LEAST since the ‘04 draft.
We are closer than you think on this. I don't disagree with much of your recap of Roethlisberger's act in Pittsburgh. He can be a real jerk off. And I can't imagine how much better he could have been if he cared to get into better shape. He's a guy who has certainly relied more of his natural gifts, and those gifts are plentiful.
I just think this situation in particular is overblown - that's all.
And as much as Eli bothers me, starting with the draft manipulation Archie, Condon and he pulled in 2004, I would't have any problem if he was chilly towards another QB that was drifted. The coaches have the most responsibility to develop the players, not other players. The QB position is unlike any other. It's a solo act on the field. On the other hand, there are multiple olinemen, dlinmen, WRs, DBs, etc. So as units, they need to be more in sync and work together to pull that off.
I am just amused how the EFC deploys to pounce on this situation - that's all - and then how some pivot to say Eli is the superior QB. That's just not the case, on any level. I posted the numbers last week - in all MAJOR categories, you name it, Roethlisberger is comfortably the more effective, accomplished QB.
Then you want to blow up the draft process, which would require a different talent acquisition model all together, and that goes against the spirit of the what the owners and players have agreed to.
If the players don't like the draft, the bargain out of it. But I find these renegade moves the height if selfishness for players who have proved NOTHING as a pro. Once you get into the pro game and establish your production, then god bless when it's time for free agency.
Until then, f-ck off (not you, the player) and wait your turn...
If the players don't like the draft, the bargain out of it.
Well, the draftees never agreed to the current model, nor do they have any ability to bargain out of it.
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Years after flip-flopping between him suggesting he’s going to retire and then changing his mind and he’s not sure why they’d prepare for life after him and they should’ve used the pick for more help for ‘them’ (funny how it becomes about THEM when it’s convenient for him)? Yeah... ok. Roethlisberger has shown himself to be a grade A asshole since his first before their draft years ago and he’s done absolutely nothing to change that opinion. From rape allegations... to stories like the ones above... to him acting like Brett Favre junior with the constant ‘This is it... Sike!’ going back and forth the guy has shown himself to be a prick.
I could care less about the argument who’s better between him and Eli because it irrelevant to this discussion. This is about him showing how much of an insecure, self entitled jerk he’s been AT LEAST since the ‘04 draft.
We are closer than you think on this. I don't disagree with much of your recap of Roethlisberger's act in Pittsburgh. He can be a real jerk off. And I can't imagine how much better he could have been if he cared to get into better shape. He's a guy who has certainly relied more of his natural gifts, and those gifts are plentiful.
I just think this situation in particular is overblown - that's all.
And as much as Eli bothers me, starting with the draft manipulation Archie, Condon and he pulled in 2004, I would't have any problem if he was chilly towards another QB that was drifted. The coaches have the most responsibility to develop the players, not other players. The QB position is unlike any other. It's a solo act on the field. On the other hand, there are multiple olinemen, dlinmen, WRs, DBs, etc. So as units, they need to be more in sync and work together to pull that off.
I am just amused how the EFC deploys to pounce on this situation - that's all - and then how some pivot to say Eli is the superior QB. That's just not the case, on any level. I posted the numbers last week - in all MAJOR categories, you name it, Roethlisberger is comfortably the more effective, accomplished QB.
Fair enough. It's a matter of opinion as to how much this has been blown up but keep in mind 1) it's the off-season... EVERYTHING is overblown with regards to the NFL during this time and 2) Ben has a history of jerkish behavior and this is just another layer of it.
I agree with you that if Eli has said this I probably wouldn't care that much either. I'd probably think that's a fucked up way to be to a new teammate... but I'd understand the reasoning I suppose. Like you said, it's the coaches job to get the new guy ready... not the incumbent. IF the incumbent player chooses to help, that's a plus.
Like I said earlier, I won't get into the Ben vs Eli debate because I don't think one is THAT much better than the other. Even if I think that one is better than the other, the difference is so small it's not worth arguing over IMO.
Well, the draftees never agreed to the current model, nor do they have any ability to bargain out of it.
Technically, that is right. But this is the what the owners has set up as their process to enter into their league. Take another example, a player can't be eligible for the draft unless the player has been been out of high school for at least three years, and must have used up their college eligibility before the start of the next college football season. Players like Maurice Clarett have challenged that in court, and have lost.
If I were Baker Mayfield there is no fucking way I play for the Browns. Zero.
Is there some non-technical way it's not right?
Obviously this is the system set up by the league and the draftees have to deal with it. I don't think anyone's suggested otherwise. I was simply responding to your comment that the players should challenge it if they don't like it, which is completely non-applicable to the players in question.
Agreed. Then stay out for a year and go back into the draft the following year when the team loses your right.
Like I said, it's a "prove it" thing for me. Get in the league, demonstrate that you can produce, then, God bless you, go kill it in your free agency period.
I didn't like Mayfield as a draft prospect. But I give him credit for being the anti-Eli in the draft process. He embraced the opportunity to be drafted by whomever and looked forward to the challenge.
Disliking Eli for being educated in the system and playing the game well under the rules... It's not real rational.
Disliking Eli for being educated in the system and playing the game well under the rules... It's not real rational.
He doesnt like Eli, period. Anything he can use randomly slight him will be used. hahaha
Disliking Eli for being educated in the system and playing the game well under the rules... It's not real rational.
More disturbed by the process, really. I found the Elway move equally repugnant.
The great irony is Eli's brother Peyton was more than willing to play for San Diego five years earlier if the Colts didn't select him first. Same owner as a matter of fact in Spanos in both cases.
It wasn't like the Chargers were killing it in the years prior to Peyton's draft either. So what changed? I always wondered if the Mannings were that sensitive to the GM in place. Beathard back in the '90s versus the switch to AJ Smith. Or maybe Eli didn't want to compete with Drew Brees? It is a fascinating story to me.
But indeed it was a "business transaction". You prefer unproven commodities who are willing to throw a wrench in the system because - well - just because.
I prefer the prospect who is willing to accept the privilege of being drafted by whomever - no chaos - and attempt to make that franchise better.
Actually, it's a pretty terrible system in which the young player has very little say in where his career starts. How many careers never got off the ground simply because the player was drafted into a terrible situation with poor ownership, management, and/or coaching? I'm in favor of any player doing whatever he can to buck that system.
Actually, it's a pretty terrible system in which the young player has very little say in where his career starts. How many careers never got off the ground simply because the player was drafted into a terrible situation with poor ownership, management, and/or coaching? I'm in favor of any player doing whatever he can to buck that system.
You're Captain Chaos. ;)
Staying strictly on the NFL, I have a bigger problem with the hard cap system, and the state of contracts, than the entry system into the league - the draft. Players should fight for a bigger piece of the pie, guaranteed contracts, and roster expansion.
If a player can play, it typically doesn't matter where they are drafted. And if they play it out, and get to their free agency window, they are rewarded in free agency. So it smooths itself out somewhat in terms of a good player getting stuck with a bad organization.
Relax on the college players are stuck...outside of Cleveland, you all are being too dramatic.
The college system is a scandal with lack of player payment. But that’s an NCAA issue, not an NFL issue.
And the NFL isn’t paying minimum wage, btw. But that is beside the point.
The players have no one to blame but themselves for agreeing to such an owner friendly system. Gene Upshaw sold the players out and now Smith continues the tradition....