PFF had an article (linked below) about how Barkley is the type of guy that doesn't always take what's given to him and as a result while many of his plays are spectacular home runs, many of them are not very productive. This is likely due to both his style of running and a shitty OL. I know that Saquon himself mentioned taking what's given as an area of improvement. I know that a lot of people are happy about our time of possession potentially going up, but it doesn't seem like he's the ideal type of back for that goal.
Do you think that the Giants coaching staff can improve his play in this area and is it worth it if it'll limit his explosive plays?
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2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
go back a little further you have $14 million for a nearly 30-year-old Jennings and a 4th round pick on Andrew Williams.
Perkins is signed for a few years? WHO CARES
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB
Darkwa was the best back we've had since Tiki.......so what do we do?
We take the NUMBER TWO pick in the draft for a friggen RB
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.
I would have taken Josh Allen or Chubb the DE Chubb
Sometimes its hard to be a Giants fan. Too much dumb as
a post stuff goes on.
ELI..........he runs like an old man carrying a 50lbs sack of potaoes. I would bet the ranch Eli aint leading no one to the playoffs in the shape he's in now.
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When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.
You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.
I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.
Your handle is lame too.
You've been posting here for a decade and let some new guy get under your skin? WOW What have you been posting?
I'd love to read some of your best stuff
I like to Cruise.....so shoot me Like my men in NFL Blue too
Being super-aggressive for those extra yards isn't necessarily a good quality. He's enough of an athlete that he can bounce out of an inside run if he doesn't trust the hole, and make a play out of nowhere while doing it, but young runners are impatient ones. It's something they all have to overcome, so it's not a rip. Watching him play, he seems like a very aggressive runner that's quick to break the play and swing for the fences.
And he needs to stop leaping. He's gonna land on his head at some point.
Finally someone on here who knows his football. My hat is off to you throwing cold logic on this marauding horde
Til Barkley learns patience he is of little use to us as a RB....I hope I'm wrong but from what I've seen of him he does not take the time to evlauate. Hopefully he will learn it....it took Tiki several seasons to learn that hesitation and explode trick. But Tiki worked out squating 900 lbs....This guy looks heavier up top, tik's weight was below the waist....whoever said Tiki could not break tackles must have been following the Giants on the Radio
He certainly is a physical specimen
Their entire history? Including guys like Tuffy Leemans, Frank Gifford, and Joe Morris?
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB
He's only 23, and he showed promise as a rookie. Why cut him now, because he regressed in his second year? It took the legendary Orleans Darkwa five years to do anything noteworthy as a pro.
So, Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and Ahmad Bradshaw don't count?
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.
That's right. We signed Stewart, drafted Barkley, and kept Gallman and Perkins. What did we lose by not keeping Darkwa? Not a thing. There's nothing Orleans Darkwa can do that Wayne Gallman can't, and there are things that Saquon Barkley can do that Darkwa can only dream about.
Color me shocked.
You should have lived through the 70's.
That's okay. They've got Barkley to run the ball Be happy for both of them.
Feel free to call me when Josh Allen wins a title in Buffalo.
We have both obliterated his entire "Darkwa is better"/LDT was just "a screen pass guy" and he never addresses it. He probably eats lunch by himself in the cafeteria too.
Such a great discussion going on here.
That's okay, chop. I just like goofing on him.
As I said earlier, for him it's not really about Darkwa. It's about replacing Eli with the QB of his choice (I don't, for one minute, buy his BS about Chubb).
Darkwa was our best back last year and likely would be this year had he gotten his chance
Seems our owner is as sentimental about Eli as most of you are
Bradshaws out of the league (I believe) and he was cut by the Giants or simply left
I have no idea why no one has picked up Darkwa. I expect he will play for NE this year.
I hope Im dead wrong on Barkley but Ive lived through many Giants RB fools gold in the past. I need to see him play in real NFL games to get excited....and even if he is a decent back you dont spend #2 in the NFL Draft on a RB unless its a 21 yr old Jim Brown sent to us in a time machine. I hate to say this but this hysteria reminds me of the unstopable OBJ, Brandon Mashall combo people were jumping up and down about last pre-season.
As for QB I'm a big Davis Webb fan but this new kid intrigues me too...I would bet both would outplay Eli at this point in Eli's career. Eli is slow, jittery, and is making a lot of mental mistakes. He has problems with short passes and long ones (no touch) but still looks good on the mid-range ones. If he stands in there.
If this team continues losing Eli really needs to take a seat. He is not our future
We didn’t take a QB, I don’t think anyone is interested in debating the pick anymore, even those who wanted a QB above all else. Time for someone to get over it. Eli is the QB in 2018 and he’s got a massive upgrade at RB to work with now.
Give him some space
Did you purchase a pet rock or Chia Pet when they were the rage?
However will we replace Orleans Darkwa? I don’t need to give him space, he doesn’t know who I am and I’m not near him.
Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names
you are expecting miracles from this guy
Likely it wont happen
I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too
I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
You can boil down this twat's talking points to :
- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks
Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.
Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names
you are expecting miracles from this guy
Likely it wont happen
I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too
I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
If you’re running out of names after only Brown and Elliott no offense but you’re not nearly as knowledgeable about the NFL as you think you are. Sheesh.
You can boil down this twat's talking points to :
- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks
Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.
hey man neither sucks
but Elis salad days are wayyyyyy over
hes ranked the 25th best QB in the nFL right now
you dont draft RB with the #2 pick
we once drafted Rocky Thompson #1 overall....what cookoo was runing that draft room?
If he did, he'd realize that a rookie RB almost every year comes on like a gangbuster and the list is long as hell.
- AP had 1350 yards and 13TD's
- Edgerrin James led the league with 1550 yards and 17 total TD's
- Kareem Hunt led the league with 1350 yards and 11 TD's
- Doug Martin 1450 yards and 12 TD's
- In 13 games, Leveon Bell had 850 yards and 8 TD's.
He doesn't give a fuck about history - he just wants to troll the message that Barkley was a terrible pick.
Go look up how Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, some guys named Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson. There's plenty more. I suggest looking it up so you can reflect on how unknowledgeable you are.
Where does Jim Brown rank in his favorite college RBs of all time?? He's pulling your leg
He knows what Barkley is really worth....it aint #1 of all time
Seems a bit... limited.
I did leave out Gayle Sayers though
Im old school but Elliott shocked me
Also Emmitt Smith and Bo Jackson came out of the gate like Justify on a muddy track
You can pretty much name a rookie back each year who blew up. But trying to refute Portis or James didn't come out of the gate?
Like I said - you don't give a fuck about being knowledgeable.
Orleans Darkwa avg 4.4 YPC????? where does that make sense in some alternative universe?
According to most of you, If he ran for Dallas he might have broken Michael Turners one season YPC record
OK and you enjoy Eli moving in the pocket like Frankenstein
Do the math.
273 carries for 1508 yards.
I'll save you the fingers there, Chief.
It is 5.5 yds/attempt
Do the math.
273 carries for 1508 yards.
I'll save you the fingers there, Chief.
It is 5.5 yds/attempt
you got me on that one i was looking at the wrong year
so how did darkwa do 4.4 behind th worlds worst oline not the hogs
But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
Ok... this is just sad now.
But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
its refreshing to find a poster here who knows football
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I don’t even want to say anything bad about Darkwa because he did a nice job last year and, as you said, was one of the few kind of bright spots last year. So I’m not even gonna dis the guy.
But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
its refreshing to find a poster here who knows football
LOL!
Google, Google, Google
I think he also was the Offensive Rookie of the Year and there's also this thing about watching the Redskins at least a couple times a year and knowing he didn't play for them right away.
Christ, the trade of him for Champ was one of the most high-profile swaps ever.
Just because you seem to know shit about the NFL doesn't mean the rest of us are as fucking braindead.
You obviously were looking at something, yet got the YPC and the team wrong. You probably shouldn't rag on people using Google when you can't even grasp that task, Ace.
"Hogs" existence basically ended in the early '90s when Grimm, May, Jacoby, etc retired.
Google, Google, Google
BluesCruise and his friends:
yes Ive obviously annoyed some people who more or less
deserved it
its a weird time of year
not much tangible to discuss
everything is yet to be proved and revealed
new players coaches. only Eli and the Owner remain
constant
lets put this post to bed
One final note though
Gil Brandt has a “Best NFL RBs of all time”
out
none were Giants and many were Cowboys
so much for Gils opinions
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Friendly bit of advice... you should just stop now. I mean... guys are just coming out of the woodwork pointing out the things you have gotten wrong.
yes Ive obviously annoyed some people who more or less
deserved it
its a weird time of year
not much tangible to discuss
everything is yet to be proved and revealed
new players coaches. only Eli and the Owner remain
constant
lets put this post to bed
One final note though
Gil Brandt has a “Best NFL RBs of all time”
out
none were Giants and many were Cowboys
so much for Gils opinions