PFF had an article (linked below) about how Barkley is the type of guy that doesn't always take what's given to him and as a result while many of his plays are spectacular home runs, many of them are not very productive. This is likely due to both his style of running and a shitty OL. I know that Saquon himself mentioned taking what's given as an area of improvement. I know that a lot of people are happy about our time of possession potentially going up, but it doesn't seem like he's the ideal type of back for that goal.
Do you think that the Giants coaching staff can improve his play in this area and is it worth it if it'll limit his explosive plays?
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Yeah I saw, my guess it he wasn't super efficient in catches/targets but at some point when a player has the production Engram had you're being a contrarian and just trying to look smart.
I have no doubt he'll play tougher in the NFL, because he really won't have as much of a choice. But I hope the coaches don't try to turn him into something he isn't either. Short yardage RB's are a lot cheaper and easier to find. You don't buy a Ferrari and hitch a plow to it.
He admitted in an interview he does this. I dont think he will have Reggie Bush syndrome. I think he is coachable and will quickly learn you just gotta go.
I have personally said that before in different threads. Coaching and Jonathan Stewart will teach him to just take what the D gives you.
Thanks for reiterating that.
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He will be fine when he doesn't have to do everything himself.
Exactly. Defensives have been playing their safeties deep to help out with our receivers. Now they have to pick their poison. That's a bigger problem with Eli at qb, given his skill at reading defenses and changing the play at scrimmage to take advantage of that.
Is there a reason for this? The guy is big, strong, fast, can catch the ball like a WR, very good blocker and has a great attitude. He literally has all the tools to be great.
With a half decent OL, a handful of playmakers...Eli will really need to suck.
This offense should shine...if DG fix OL.
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But I don't think he'll be the superstar everyone is expecting.
Is there a reason for this? The guy is big, strong, fast, can catch the ball like a WR, very good blocker and has a great attitude. He literally has all the tools to be great.
It's interesting that the two NY teams have selected potential stars that did not live up to the expectations going into their final seasons.
It's true that there could be extraneous reasons (poor line, teams keying on him etc.)
Related to the issue in the OP, it is a bit of a caution to me. I have no doubt that he will be a new weapon. I am just a bit cautious about his ultimate ceiling.
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
"All he does is catch touchdowns."
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver
i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments
again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains
agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Darkwa can't hold Tiki's Jock strap.
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver
i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments
again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains
agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
More pigheadedness from the Sultan of the Sty.
An efficient offense moves the chains. It doesn't matter if that's done by running the ball or throwing it.
It may be a pass-first league, but it's certainly not a let's not run at all, league, or a we can get by with the still-unsigned Orleans Darkwa league.
The Giants are making a concerted effort to revitalize a running game that has been dreadful for way, way, WAY too long. Barkley in the first and Hernandez in the second is proof of that. An effective running game opens the door for a more effective passing game in a variety of ways. not the least of which is plwy-action passing, in which Eli has excelled in the past. Even in 2011, when the Giants' could barely run the ball for love or money, they stayed committed to it and kept opposing defenses guessing.
But, let's face it, you don't give a shit about any of that because you think Eli is cooked and the Giants should have drafted a QB in the first round. Everything else you say is just so much smoke.
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Your continued lack of understanding is actually impressive. Is LeVeon Bells job just to move the chains? Gurley? Johnson? Kamara? It isn’t 1990, quit acting like it.
The league is still a passing league but having a RB that “just moves the chains” between the tackles is something teams no longer want to settle with. There’s a reason Bell wants to be paid like a WR...because he basically is one. This myth you spew on every thread about running backs couldn’t be more wrong.
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver
i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments
again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains
agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
You really do suck. To echo Klaatu, Darkwa in the same breath as Tiki? You do know how much more durable Tiki was post 2000 dont you?
Just awful stuff from you post after post. Have you seen anybody appreciate what you post? You are horrendous. You must be a kid. 16-25?
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.
You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.
I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.
Your handle is lame too.
Perhaps you should ignore my posts...I doubt you will ever understand them
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
How did that one turn out?
He cannot find the crease and lacks disipline as a RB in the NFL....goes down like shot with a buffalo rifle when touched
In college, he got away with it.
Perhaps you should ignore my posts...I doubt you will ever understand them
Not angry at all. My posts reflect my frustration with new posters like yourself coming on this board, with horse shit theories and injecting them into every thread. Ignoring you would suffice and I do that with some posters. But you post too much to allow for that. I also find it hilarious that you continue this narrative of having this vastly superior grasp of this game to the extent that I cant comprehend what you are getting at. I get it, I just think its dumb and so do many many other people.
The only reason I respond so fiercely is because this website is a place where great football talk used to happen all the time. It has now become a rarity thanks to chubs like you. If you would just back off and post quality, thought provoking things, you would see myself and others respond. But you chose to saturate this site with your blather and here we are.
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Now I see your point. It matches the one on your head.
An RB's primary job is to run the ball. The situation may vary, down and distance may vary, but when he takes the handoff or the pitch, he runs with the ball, as fast and as far as he can. If it's 3rd and three and he picks up four yards, he doesn't stop and say, Well, I got the first down. My job is done. An RB that can pick up a tough yard or two is nice to have, but an RB that's a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball - in addition to getting the tough yards - is an even better thing to have.
An RB may also be called upon to block, to pick up the blitz, or to catch a pass, either by design or as a safety valve. If he does those jobs well, he can also help an offense to be more efficient. And, once again, it's the offense as a whole that is paramount. You might want to look up the term "force multiplier," because I figure that's what the Giants envision Barkley to be for them, and why they invested the second pick in the draft on him.
But no, you'd be content with that latter-day Jim Brown, Orleans Darkwa. What a joke.
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.
Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
when someone who disagrees comes along they just cannot handle it
How dare someone not agree with their "popular" notions
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues....forgive me for pointing out some of them...go back to the "herd" and find others who will console you with agreement
stop wasting my time...please
Wow this argument backfired.
What an asshole.
when someone who disagrees comes along they just cannot handle it
How dare someone not agree with their "popular" notions
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues....forgive me for pointing out some of them...go back to the "herd" and find others who will console you with agreement
stop wasting my time...please
Bahahahahahaha! Youre fucking priceless. Dont you have school tomorrow?
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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.
Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
LT was a screen pass guy, as was Faulk
Jim Brown AVG 6.1 YPC for 9 seasons (I know Turner AVG 8.1 for a single year so dont bring it up).....he is generally regarded the best of all time- Jim Brown that is....and it wasnt for catching screens IT was for running through, over and around gangs of tacklers
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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.
Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
LT was a screen pass guy, as was Faulk
Jim Brown AVG 6.1 YPC for 9 seasons (I know Turner AVG 8.1 for a single year so dont bring it up).....he is generally regarded the best of all time- Jim Brown that is....and it wasnt for catching screens IT was for running through, over and around gangs of tacklers
Yup, 15-17 years old.
Just STOP! Youre getting killed!
if you cannot handle my posts IGNORE THEM
I hope Barkley is exactlty as advertised but I dont believe the gold jacket in advance of 1st contact theories
I'm not from Missouri but "SHOW ME!!!!!!"
Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
He would have been excellent spelling Barkley
Gallman can do that though...i get the move, just dont like it
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
LOL Taking away plays is a slippery slope
Take away Eli's wild throw on the velcro helmut catch and Eli is one less SB winner
Even Darkwa's mother would've drafted Barkley.
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When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Where will you be if Barkley turns out to be another Perkins? Will you seek me out?
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When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Where will you be if Barkley turns out to be another Perkins? Will you seek me out?
You're comparing the #2 pick of the draft to a 5th round pick...
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Where will you be if Barkley turns out to be another Perkins? Will you seek me out?
Sorry, I didn't like the Perkins pick then, and I don't like it now. I was all about Jordan Howard that year.
But what if Barkley turns out to be another Tomlinson or Faulk? Where will you be?
Darkwa was an excellent blocker
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Had a 75-yard run against the Redskins in the last regular season game of 2017, the longest run of his illustrious career by about 30 yards. Funny thing, though. Take away that run, and his ypc for the year drops to 3.9. Take away that game (and his 7.7 ypc) and it drops to 3.5.
Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
LOL Taking away plays is a slippery slope
Take away Eli's wild throw on the velcro helmut catch and Eli is one less SB winner
That's right. It can be a slippery slope, although Eli has had a penchant for coming up big, with big throws, in big spots, as his two title runs have shown. Darkwa hasn't come anywhere near to showing anything similar.
It's really not about Darkwa. This guy is in the "Eli is cooked" camp, like giantstock, firedbytheboss, sundayatone, and a host of others. They all wanted a QB taken at #2.
If the Giants had drafted Chubb, my guess is they'd all be singing the praises of JPP.
117 yards, and it was the only game other than that one Redskins game where he ran for more than 74 yards.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
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Darkwa ran wild for 165 yds on one of the NFL's best defenses
I was on the Denver board before and after that game...to a man they admitted Darkwa crushed them
117 yards, and it was the only game other than that one Redskins game where he ran for more than 74 yards.
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You’re boy Darkwa was part of the problem. Why is he unsigned? Is he just demanding too much money after his stellar season? Maybe Pitt will smarten up, pull the tag on a bell and sign Darkwa as their new feature back since they will only need first downs every once and a while.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
Lol, what a fucking idiot.
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Darkwa ran wild for 165 yds on one of the NFL's best defenses
I was on the Denver board before and after that game...to a man they admitted Darkwa crushed them
117 yards, and it was the only game other than that one Redskins game where he ran for more than 74 yards.
He didn't even score a TD against them. As a matter of fact, he didn't score a TD against a lot of teams. He only had five for the year.
I hate to clue you guys but dont expect an Eli and rookie RB team to rise above 8-8
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You’re boy Darkwa was part of the problem. Why is he unsigned? Is he just demanding too much money after his stellar season? Maybe Pitt will smarten up, pull the tag on a bell and sign Darkwa as their new feature back since they will only need first downs every once and a while.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
I don’t recall this being an Eli thread. I’m interested in learning more about Orleans 2K Darkwa. Please tell me more.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
I don’t recall this being an Eli thread. I’m interested in learning more about Orleans 2K Darkwa. Please tell me more.
Orleans "The Juggernaut" Darkwa!
Isn't it?
Isn't it?
Well that.....and we can kiss good bye to 1st downs after 3rd and 3....or any down and distance for that matter.
But yes George I agree.
This is also why I am comfortable with Eli for another year or two. With the offensive talent and a real OL, he won't be throwing off of his back foot or on rushed throws all the time. Eli stepping into his throws is a different QB, and Eli being able to change plays at the LOS on the no-huddle with this bunch will drive defenders nuts. Eli should still be a very good no-huddle qb.
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You’re boy Darkwa was part of the problem. Why is he unsigned? Is he just demanding too much money after his stellar season? Maybe Pitt will smarten up, pull the tag on a bell and sign Darkwa as their new feature back since they will only need first downs every once and a while.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
I don’t recall this being an Eli thread. I’m interested in learning more about Orleans 2K Darkwa. Please tell me more.
Orleans "The Juggernaut" Darkwa!
Why are you guys so down on Darkwa.
He did everything asked of him last season
and did it with dignity, not fighting with FG nets or pretending to pee like a dog
The guy was one of the bright spots of perhaps our worst season ever and hip hip horray for a RB who hasnt taken an NFL snap
To me Barkley should have been begging management to bring back a solid RB who could act as a mentor and take off some of the pressure
Keeping Perkins and letting Darkwa leave makes absolutley no sense whatsoever
Being super-aggressive for those extra yards isn't necessarily a good quality. He's enough of an athlete that he can bounce out of an inside run if he doesn't trust the hole, and make a play out of nowhere while doing it, but young runners are impatient ones. It's something they all have to overcome, so it's not a rip. Watching him play, he seems like a very aggressive runner that's quick to break the play and swing for the fences.
And he needs to stop leaping. He's gonna land on his head at some point.
Why are you guys so down on Darkwa.
He did everything asked of him last season
and did it with dignity, not fighting with FG nets or pretending to pee like a dog
The guy was one of the bright spots of perhaps our worst season ever and hip hip horray for a RB who hasnt taken an NFL snap
To me Barkley should have been begging management to bring back a solid RB who could act as a mentor and take off some of the pressure
Keeping Perkins and letting Darkwa leave makes absolutley no sense whatsoever
Darkwa's a JAG. He's Rashad Jennings without the high-tech vaporizer (or whatever the hell that thing was). To me, Perkins is a JAG, too, but I figure he's low-man-on-the-totem-pole now, behind Barkley, Gallmaan, and Stewart. He's also younger and he's signed for the next couple of years.
As for mentoring Barkley, as I wrote earlier, that role will most likely be filled by Stewart, a ten-year veteran who's had some success in this league as part of a tandem backfield.
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
go back a little further you have $14 million for a nearly 30-year-old Jennings and a 4th round pick on Andrew Williams.
Perkins is signed for a few years? WHO CARES
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB
Darkwa was the best back we've had since Tiki.......so what do we do?
We take the NUMBER TWO pick in the draft for a friggen RB
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.
I would have taken Josh Allen or Chubb the DE Chubb
Sometimes its hard to be a Giants fan. Too much dumb as
a post stuff goes on.
ELI..........he runs like an old man carrying a 50lbs sack of potaoes. I would bet the ranch Eli aint leading no one to the playoffs in the shape he's in now.
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When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.
You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.
I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.
Your handle is lame too.
You've been posting here for a decade and let some new guy get under your skin? WOW What have you been posting?
I'd love to read some of your best stuff
I like to Cruise.....so shoot me Like my men in NFL Blue too
Being super-aggressive for those extra yards isn't necessarily a good quality. He's enough of an athlete that he can bounce out of an inside run if he doesn't trust the hole, and make a play out of nowhere while doing it, but young runners are impatient ones. It's something they all have to overcome, so it's not a rip. Watching him play, he seems like a very aggressive runner that's quick to break the play and swing for the fences.
And he needs to stop leaping. He's gonna land on his head at some point.
Finally someone on here who knows his football. My hat is off to you throwing cold logic on this marauding horde
Til Barkley learns patience he is of little use to us as a RB....I hope I'm wrong but from what I've seen of him he does not take the time to evlauate. Hopefully he will learn it....it took Tiki several seasons to learn that hesitation and explode trick. But Tiki worked out squating 900 lbs....This guy looks heavier up top, tik's weight was below the waist....whoever said Tiki could not break tackles must have been following the Giants on the Radio
He certainly is a physical specimen
Their entire history? Including guys like Tuffy Leemans, Frank Gifford, and Joe Morris?
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB
He's only 23, and he showed promise as a rookie. Why cut him now, because he regressed in his second year? It took the legendary Orleans Darkwa five years to do anything noteworthy as a pro.
So, Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and Ahmad Bradshaw don't count?
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.
That's right. We signed Stewart, drafted Barkley, and kept Gallman and Perkins. What did we lose by not keeping Darkwa? Not a thing. There's nothing Orleans Darkwa can do that Wayne Gallman can't, and there are things that Saquon Barkley can do that Darkwa can only dream about.
Color me shocked.
You should have lived through the 70's.
That's okay. They've got Barkley to run the ball Be happy for both of them.
Feel free to call me when Josh Allen wins a title in Buffalo.
We have both obliterated his entire "Darkwa is better"/LDT was just "a screen pass guy" and he never addresses it. He probably eats lunch by himself in the cafeteria too.
Such a great discussion going on here.
That's okay, chop. I just like goofing on him.
As I said earlier, for him it's not really about Darkwa. It's about replacing Eli with the QB of his choice (I don't, for one minute, buy his BS about Chubb).
Darkwa was our best back last year and likely would be this year had he gotten his chance
Seems our owner is as sentimental about Eli as most of you are
Bradshaws out of the league (I believe) and he was cut by the Giants or simply left
I have no idea why no one has picked up Darkwa. I expect he will play for NE this year.
I hope Im dead wrong on Barkley but Ive lived through many Giants RB fools gold in the past. I need to see him play in real NFL games to get excited....and even if he is a decent back you dont spend #2 in the NFL Draft on a RB unless its a 21 yr old Jim Brown sent to us in a time machine. I hate to say this but this hysteria reminds me of the unstopable OBJ, Brandon Mashall combo people were jumping up and down about last pre-season.
As for QB I'm a big Davis Webb fan but this new kid intrigues me too...I would bet both would outplay Eli at this point in Eli's career. Eli is slow, jittery, and is making a lot of mental mistakes. He has problems with short passes and long ones (no touch) but still looks good on the mid-range ones. If he stands in there.
If this team continues losing Eli really needs to take a seat. He is not our future
We didn’t take a QB, I don’t think anyone is interested in debating the pick anymore, even those who wanted a QB above all else. Time for someone to get over it. Eli is the QB in 2018 and he’s got a massive upgrade at RB to work with now.
Give him some space
Did you purchase a pet rock or Chia Pet when they were the rage?
However will we replace Orleans Darkwa? I don’t need to give him space, he doesn’t know who I am and I’m not near him.
Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names
you are expecting miracles from this guy
Likely it wont happen
I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too
I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
You can boil down this twat's talking points to :
- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks
Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.
Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names
you are expecting miracles from this guy
Likely it wont happen
I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too
I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
If you’re running out of names after only Brown and Elliott no offense but you’re not nearly as knowledgeable about the NFL as you think you are. Sheesh.
You can boil down this twat's talking points to :
- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks
Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.
hey man neither sucks
but Elis salad days are wayyyyyy over
hes ranked the 25th best QB in the nFL right now
you dont draft RB with the #2 pick
we once drafted Rocky Thompson #1 overall....what cookoo was runing that draft room?
If he did, he'd realize that a rookie RB almost every year comes on like a gangbuster and the list is long as hell.
- AP had 1350 yards and 13TD's
- Edgerrin James led the league with 1550 yards and 17 total TD's
- Kareem Hunt led the league with 1350 yards and 11 TD's
- Doug Martin 1450 yards and 12 TD's
- In 13 games, Leveon Bell had 850 yards and 8 TD's.
He doesn't give a fuck about history - he just wants to troll the message that Barkley was a terrible pick.
Go look up how Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, some guys named Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson. There's plenty more. I suggest looking it up so you can reflect on how unknowledgeable you are.
Where does Jim Brown rank in his favorite college RBs of all time?? He's pulling your leg
He knows what Barkley is really worth....it aint #1 of all time
Seems a bit... limited.
I did leave out Gayle Sayers though
Im old school but Elliott shocked me
Also Emmitt Smith and Bo Jackson came out of the gate like Justify on a muddy track
You can pretty much name a rookie back each year who blew up. But trying to refute Portis or James didn't come out of the gate?
Like I said - you don't give a fuck about being knowledgeable.
Orleans Darkwa avg 4.4 YPC????? where does that make sense in some alternative universe?
According to most of you, If he ran for Dallas he might have broken Michael Turners one season YPC record
OK and you enjoy Eli moving in the pocket like Frankenstein
Do the math.
273 carries for 1508 yards.
I'll save you the fingers there, Chief.
It is 5.5 yds/attempt
Do the math.
273 carries for 1508 yards.
I'll save you the fingers there, Chief.
It is 5.5 yds/attempt
you got me on that one i was looking at the wrong year
so how did darkwa do 4.4 behind th worlds worst oline not the hogs
But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
Ok... this is just sad now.
But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
its refreshing to find a poster here who knows football
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I don’t even want to say anything bad about Darkwa because he did a nice job last year and, as you said, was one of the few kind of bright spots last year. So I’m not even gonna dis the guy.
But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
its refreshing to find a poster here who knows football
LOL!
Google, Google, Google
I think he also was the Offensive Rookie of the Year and there's also this thing about watching the Redskins at least a couple times a year and knowing he didn't play for them right away.
Christ, the trade of him for Champ was one of the most high-profile swaps ever.
Just because you seem to know shit about the NFL doesn't mean the rest of us are as fucking braindead.
You obviously were looking at something, yet got the YPC and the team wrong. You probably shouldn't rag on people using Google when you can't even grasp that task, Ace.
"Hogs" existence basically ended in the early '90s when Grimm, May, Jacoby, etc retired.
Google, Google, Google
BluesCruise and his friends:
yes Ive obviously annoyed some people who more or less
deserved it
its a weird time of year
not much tangible to discuss
everything is yet to be proved and revealed
new players coaches. only Eli and the Owner remain
constant
lets put this post to bed
One final note though
Gil Brandt has a “Best NFL RBs of all time”
out
none were Giants and many were Cowboys
so much for Gils opinions
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Friendly bit of advice... you should just stop now. I mean... guys are just coming out of the woodwork pointing out the things you have gotten wrong.
yes Ive obviously annoyed some people who more or less
deserved it
its a weird time of year
not much tangible to discuss
everything is yet to be proved and revealed
new players coaches. only Eli and the Owner remain
constant
lets put this post to bed
One final note though
Gil Brandt has a “Best NFL RBs of all time”
out
none were Giants and many were Cowboys
so much for Gils opinions