PFF had an article (linked below) about how Barkley is the type of guy that doesn't always take what's given to him and as a result while many of his plays are spectacular home runs, many of them are not very productive. This is likely due to both his style of running and a shitty OL. I know that Saquon himself mentioned taking what's given as an area of improvement. I know that a lot of people are happy about our time of possession potentially going up, but it doesn't seem like he's the ideal type of back for that goal.
Do you think that the Giants coaching staff can improve his play in this area and is it worth it if it'll limit his explosive plays?
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When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
LOL Taking away plays is a slippery slope
Take away Eli's wild throw on the velcro helmut catch and Eli is one less SB winner
Even Darkwa's mother would've drafted Barkley.
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When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Where will you be if Barkley turns out to be another Perkins? Will you seek me out?
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When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Where will you be if Barkley turns out to be another Perkins? Will you seek me out?
You're comparing the #2 pick of the draft to a 5th round pick...
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues...
Yup, and not being able to run the ball was one of the "hugest," hence, good-bye to Darkwa, hello to Barkley.
Where will you be if Barkley turns out to be another Perkins? Will you seek me out?
Sorry, I didn't like the Perkins pick then, and I don't like it now. I was all about Jordan Howard that year.
But what if Barkley turns out to be another Tomlinson or Faulk? Where will you be?
Darkwa was an excellent blocker
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Had a 75-yard run against the Redskins in the last regular season game of 2017, the longest run of his illustrious career by about 30 yards. Funny thing, though. Take away that run, and his ypc for the year drops to 3.9. Take away that game (and his 7.7 ypc) and it drops to 3.5.
Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
LOL Taking away plays is a slippery slope
Take away Eli's wild throw on the velcro helmut catch and Eli is one less SB winner
That's right. It can be a slippery slope, although Eli has had a penchant for coming up big, with big throws, in big spots, as his two title runs have shown. Darkwa hasn't come anywhere near to showing anything similar.
It's really not about Darkwa. This guy is in the "Eli is cooked" camp, like giantstock, firedbytheboss, sundayatone, and a host of others. They all wanted a QB taken at #2.
If the Giants had drafted Chubb, my guess is they'd all be singing the praises of JPP.
117 yards, and it was the only game other than that one Redskins game where he ran for more than 74 yards.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
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Darkwa ran wild for 165 yds on one of the NFL's best defenses
I was on the Denver board before and after that game...to a man they admitted Darkwa crushed them
117 yards, and it was the only game other than that one Redskins game where he ran for more than 74 yards.
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You’re boy Darkwa was part of the problem. Why is he unsigned? Is he just demanding too much money after his stellar season? Maybe Pitt will smarten up, pull the tag on a bell and sign Darkwa as their new feature back since they will only need first downs every once and a while.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
Lol, what a fucking idiot.
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Darkwa ran wild for 165 yds on one of the NFL's best defenses
I was on the Denver board before and after that game...to a man they admitted Darkwa crushed them
117 yards, and it was the only game other than that one Redskins game where he ran for more than 74 yards.
He didn't even score a TD against them. As a matter of fact, he didn't score a TD against a lot of teams. He only had five for the year.
I hate to clue you guys but dont expect an Eli and rookie RB team to rise above 8-8
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You’re boy Darkwa was part of the problem. Why is he unsigned? Is he just demanding too much money after his stellar season? Maybe Pitt will smarten up, pull the tag on a bell and sign Darkwa as their new feature back since they will only need first downs every once and a while.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
I don’t recall this being an Eli thread. I’m interested in learning more about Orleans 2K Darkwa. Please tell me more.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
I don’t recall this being an Eli thread. I’m interested in learning more about Orleans 2K Darkwa. Please tell me more.
Orleans "The Juggernaut" Darkwa!
Isn't it?
Isn't it?
Well that.....and we can kiss good bye to 1st downs after 3rd and 3....or any down and distance for that matter.
But yes George I agree.
This is also why I am comfortable with Eli for another year or two. With the offensive talent and a real OL, he won't be throwing off of his back foot or on rushed throws all the time. Eli stepping into his throws is a different QB, and Eli being able to change plays at the LOS on the no-huddle with this bunch will drive defenders nuts. Eli should still be a very good no-huddle qb.
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You’re boy Darkwa was part of the problem. Why is he unsigned? Is he just demanding too much money after his stellar season? Maybe Pitt will smarten up, pull the tag on a bell and sign Darkwa as their new feature back since they will only need first downs every once and a while.
I think its his history of injuries...BTW how many teams would pick up Eli if he were an USFA? ZERO?
Its a sin Webb did not play those last 4 games
I don’t recall this being an Eli thread. I’m interested in learning more about Orleans 2K Darkwa. Please tell me more.
Orleans "The Juggernaut" Darkwa!
Why are you guys so down on Darkwa.
He did everything asked of him last season
and did it with dignity, not fighting with FG nets or pretending to pee like a dog
The guy was one of the bright spots of perhaps our worst season ever and hip hip horray for a RB who hasnt taken an NFL snap
To me Barkley should have been begging management to bring back a solid RB who could act as a mentor and take off some of the pressure
Keeping Perkins and letting Darkwa leave makes absolutley no sense whatsoever
Being super-aggressive for those extra yards isn't necessarily a good quality. He's enough of an athlete that he can bounce out of an inside run if he doesn't trust the hole, and make a play out of nowhere while doing it, but young runners are impatient ones. It's something they all have to overcome, so it's not a rip. Watching him play, he seems like a very aggressive runner that's quick to break the play and swing for the fences.
And he needs to stop leaping. He's gonna land on his head at some point.
Why are you guys so down on Darkwa.
He did everything asked of him last season
and did it with dignity, not fighting with FG nets or pretending to pee like a dog
The guy was one of the bright spots of perhaps our worst season ever and hip hip horray for a RB who hasnt taken an NFL snap
To me Barkley should have been begging management to bring back a solid RB who could act as a mentor and take off some of the pressure
Keeping Perkins and letting Darkwa leave makes absolutley no sense whatsoever
Darkwa's a JAG. He's Rashad Jennings without the high-tech vaporizer (or whatever the hell that thing was). To me, Perkins is a JAG, too, but I figure he's low-man-on-the-totem-pole now, behind Barkley, Gallmaan, and Stewart. He's also younger and he's signed for the next couple of years.
As for mentoring Barkley, as I wrote earlier, that role will most likely be filled by Stewart, a ten-year veteran who's had some success in this league as part of a tandem backfield.
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
go back a little further you have $14 million for a nearly 30-year-old Jennings and a 4th round pick on Andrew Williams.
Perkins is signed for a few years? WHO CARES
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB
Darkwa was the best back we've had since Tiki.......so what do we do?
We take the NUMBER TWO pick in the draft for a friggen RB
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.
I would have taken Josh Allen or Chubb the DE Chubb
Sometimes its hard to be a Giants fan. Too much dumb as
a post stuff goes on.
ELI..........he runs like an old man carrying a 50lbs sack of potaoes. I would bet the ranch Eli aint leading no one to the playoffs in the shape he's in now.
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When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.
You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.
I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.
Your handle is lame too.
You've been posting here for a decade and let some new guy get under your skin? WOW What have you been posting?
I'd love to read some of your best stuff
I like to Cruise.....so shoot me Like my men in NFL Blue too
Being super-aggressive for those extra yards isn't necessarily a good quality. He's enough of an athlete that he can bounce out of an inside run if he doesn't trust the hole, and make a play out of nowhere while doing it, but young runners are impatient ones. It's something they all have to overcome, so it's not a rip. Watching him play, he seems like a very aggressive runner that's quick to break the play and swing for the fences.
And he needs to stop leaping. He's gonna land on his head at some point.
Finally someone on here who knows his football. My hat is off to you throwing cold logic on this marauding horde
Til Barkley learns patience he is of little use to us as a RB....I hope I'm wrong but from what I've seen of him he does not take the time to evlauate. Hopefully he will learn it....it took Tiki several seasons to learn that hesitation and explode trick. But Tiki worked out squating 900 lbs....This guy looks heavier up top, tik's weight was below the waist....whoever said Tiki could not break tackles must have been following the Giants on the Radio
He certainly is a physical specimen
Their entire history? Including guys like Tuffy Leemans, Frank Gifford, and Joe Morris?
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB
He's only 23, and he showed promise as a rookie. Why cut him now, because he regressed in his second year? It took the legendary Orleans Darkwa five years to do anything noteworthy as a pro.
So, Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and Ahmad Bradshaw don't count?
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.
That's right. We signed Stewart, drafted Barkley, and kept Gallman and Perkins. What did we lose by not keeping Darkwa? Not a thing. There's nothing Orleans Darkwa can do that Wayne Gallman can't, and there are things that Saquon Barkley can do that Darkwa can only dream about.
Color me shocked.
You should have lived through the 70's.
That's okay. They've got Barkley to run the ball Be happy for both of them.
Feel free to call me when Josh Allen wins a title in Buffalo.
We have both obliterated his entire "Darkwa is better"/LDT was just "a screen pass guy" and he never addresses it. He probably eats lunch by himself in the cafeteria too.
Such a great discussion going on here.
That's okay, chop. I just like goofing on him.
As I said earlier, for him it's not really about Darkwa. It's about replacing Eli with the QB of his choice (I don't, for one minute, buy his BS about Chubb).
Darkwa was our best back last year and likely would be this year had he gotten his chance
Seems our owner is as sentimental about Eli as most of you are
Bradshaws out of the league (I believe) and he was cut by the Giants or simply left
I have no idea why no one has picked up Darkwa. I expect he will play for NE this year.
I hope Im dead wrong on Barkley but Ive lived through many Giants RB fools gold in the past. I need to see him play in real NFL games to get excited....and even if he is a decent back you dont spend #2 in the NFL Draft on a RB unless its a 21 yr old Jim Brown sent to us in a time machine. I hate to say this but this hysteria reminds me of the unstopable OBJ, Brandon Mashall combo people were jumping up and down about last pre-season.
As for QB I'm a big Davis Webb fan but this new kid intrigues me too...I would bet both would outplay Eli at this point in Eli's career. Eli is slow, jittery, and is making a lot of mental mistakes. He has problems with short passes and long ones (no touch) but still looks good on the mid-range ones. If he stands in there.
If this team continues losing Eli really needs to take a seat. He is not our future
We didn’t take a QB, I don’t think anyone is interested in debating the pick anymore, even those who wanted a QB above all else. Time for someone to get over it. Eli is the QB in 2018 and he’s got a massive upgrade at RB to work with now.
Give him some space
Did you purchase a pet rock or Chia Pet when they were the rage?
However will we replace Orleans Darkwa? I don’t need to give him space, he doesn’t know who I am and I’m not near him.
Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names
you are expecting miracles from this guy
Likely it wont happen
I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too
I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
You can boil down this twat's talking points to :
- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks
Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.
Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names
you are expecting miracles from this guy
Likely it wont happen
I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too
I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
If you’re running out of names after only Brown and Elliott no offense but you’re not nearly as knowledgeable about the NFL as you think you are. Sheesh.
You can boil down this twat's talking points to :
- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks
Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.
hey man neither sucks
but Elis salad days are wayyyyyy over
hes ranked the 25th best QB in the nFL right now
you dont draft RB with the #2 pick
we once drafted Rocky Thompson #1 overall....what cookoo was runing that draft room?
If he did, he'd realize that a rookie RB almost every year comes on like a gangbuster and the list is long as hell.
- AP had 1350 yards and 13TD's
- Edgerrin James led the league with 1550 yards and 17 total TD's
- Kareem Hunt led the league with 1350 yards and 11 TD's
- Doug Martin 1450 yards and 12 TD's
- In 13 games, Leveon Bell had 850 yards and 8 TD's.
He doesn't give a fuck about history - he just wants to troll the message that Barkley was a terrible pick.
Go look up how Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, some guys named Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson. There's plenty more. I suggest looking it up so you can reflect on how unknowledgeable you are.
Where does Jim Brown rank in his favorite college RBs of all time?? He's pulling your leg
He knows what Barkley is really worth....it aint #1 of all time