I'm excited about this pick. I think that he'll do at 3-4 outside linebacker what we wanted JPP to do at 4-3 defensive end. He's quick, fast, strong and tenacious.
In the game summary (5+ minutes) I linked below, he was in the qb's face in most passing plays. But he played the run well too. He's a great athlete and a strong tackler. Did I say I loved this pick?
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Im hoping those top 3 stay healthy - if so Im thinking 3 all-nfl rookie team players
His closing speed and tenacity is top shelf
Kennard did play DE but he mostly played LB. He did play all LB
Positions though.
Disruptive player.
As a pass rusher that's accounted for by an O line, I'm not saying it doesn't translate, maybe it does, but by speed mainly, we have seen how dominant todays pro O linesmen can be once they get a hand on anyone in the 250lb range, which this guy is.
All in all though - also very optimistic to see this player play. To me. If he shows any ' PD. chops ' it's a major draft coup. Defend pass, chase to sidelines, blitz as opposed to classic accounted for rush. Those are very worthwhile.
...I think Lorenzo Carter can develop into a multi-talented 3-4 LB. Gonna be one of the more interesting stories IMO.
We know he has the physical talent, Lets see if he has the drive and instincts to turn into an instant pass rusher for this D. Betcher putting him in positions to succeed early on will be key too
Carter appears to be more stout and in the right place. I saw highlights of Edmunds overcommiting and getting caught up in or pushed out of the wash. Edmunds is younger and the expert consensus was he was an early- to mid-first rounder and Carter was not. However, I am super excited about Carter, let alone where the Giants drafted him.
For the past several years, Giants fans have watched unsuccessful blitz attempts. The Giants desperately needed a player that could get to the quarterback, or could impact the called play because of disruption in the backfield. Lorenzo Carter will be that player.
I think the perception of Carter, right or wrong, was that he was more of an athlete at this point than a football player. Guys like that do tend to fall a little (although not in Leonard Floyd's case, whom I think is a good comp for Carter). Also, many thought that he needed to bulk up a little, strengthen his base, and that he might not be completely ready for prime-time. I figure the Giants will bring him along steadily, if not necessarily slowly.
As a pass rusher that's accounted for by an O line, I'm not saying it doesn't translate, maybe it does, but by speed mainly, we have seen how dominant todays pro O linesmen can be once they get a hand on anyone in the 250lb range, which this guy is.
All in all though - also very optimistic to see this player play. To me. If he shows any ' PD. chops ' it's a major draft coup. Defend pass, chase to sidelines, blitz as opposed to classic accounted for rush. Those are very worthwhile.
Ahh Chase Blackburn, the perfect Tampa 2 MLB counter to an injurec Gronkowski.
It's a pretty good watch because it isn't simply a highlight reel, and shows his good plays, the plays where he did his job and prevented a run/pass in his direction, did his job but didn't have direct influence on the play, made some plays of his own, showed good pursuit from behind the ball carrier, and finally some plays where he can certainly improve.
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Possibly as you guys say, with the straight line burst speed of this player being very good, hang back and break on the ball.
Slap ball down as opposed to INT it (feet would be quicker as you don't have to twist back) and zone as opposed to try to shadow someone.
That and speed to sideline chasing RBs and running QBs. Very worthwhile.
I mentioned this in Sy's "What I Would Have Done" thread. Against 'Bama, based on his YouTube "highlights" from this game, linked as part of Draft Friday's Giants' 3rd Round Selection, Carter was ineffective, having minimal impact except toward the end of some runs when he joined in gang tackles, in addition to a couple of times catching the runner from behind as the main tackler in traffic.
What I don't get from this game tape is the way Georgia's defensive coaches used him: , he was lined up within or just outside 'Bama's front four, no slouches, and he was mostly stoned by bigger, stronger linemen. This served to neutralize his strengths, it seems to me, rather than having him line up at the edge, wide, and coming off well outside the OT, forcing wider gaps and in theory maximizing his strengths.
He is going to shatter the 3rd round funk and I think any team that runs a 3-4 is going to regret not taking him before our pick.
We probably got him a little bit later than i would have figured but its not like Carter is some manna from heaven...he is going to need to get used to the NFL just like most.
That's why one might call what your Martin's and Vernon's and Wynn's and Mauros will do 'pass rush' as opposed to 'blitz' which would be what Collins, Carter, ogletree and the DBs will do.
Coverage skills?
Coverage skills?
Your next non-negative post on this board will be your first.
and the addition of Ogletree and the presence of Collins
this will seal the edges in the run game add a better blitz
package . We will be very tough to run against and finally the much needed athleticism to the defense . Health key as always and a entirely new system its essential that we come out of the gate strong . I am excited once again about Giants football Friggen McCrappy left such a bad taste in my mouth . Plus the addition of the two DT's is huge IMO
as much as I wanted another Center I have confidence in the plan " Trust the Plan " !!
Martin.Toml.snacks.hill.OV
Carter.......ogletree (play like up safeties)
Collins safety
DT or Adams deep safety.
Remove Carter or ogletree or Tomlinson for 3 wides.
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blocks him, but he is not big enough to overpower OT's in the NFL...
Coverage skills?
Your next non-negative post on this board will be your first.
Then you disagree with me? You think he has no speed? You think he can overpower NFL OT's?
What is your opinion of his coverage skills?
Or can you even make an opinion yourself? Or is it your mantra to try to put down anyone that doesn't follow your path?
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In comment 13956025 Doomster said:
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blocks him, but he is not big enough to overpower OT's in the NFL...
Coverage skills?
Your next non-negative post on this board will be your first.
Then you disagree with me? You think he has no speed? You think he can overpower NFL OT's?
What is your opinion of his coverage skills?
Or can you even make an opinion yourself? Or is it your mantra to try to put down anyone that doesn't follow your path?
It's my mantra to put down anyone that's negative for the sake of being negative in every post ever.
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Maybe instead you coach the player up for functions where the existing outstanding speed qualities already exist. PD functions and chase functions.
If you want classic rush types you already have Martin, OV, Wynn, Mauro, McKintosh, Okwara and a bunch of others. And as a skinny, Carter can still blitz unblocked probably well as is.
Good point.
'handling the 300 lb OL' in college doesn't always translate to the NFL.
Line play is a whole different game in pro. Technique. Grabbing, holding, and the average experience level and weight and power is totally different.
But speed does translate if you use it. And this player has it.
He has the #1 Raw Athletic Score for LB's since they've been keeping track. That is over 30 years, and 1479 LB's and this guy is the #1 athlete based on their metrics.
I think he has the potential to be like a Jamie Collins in this defense.
He looked very strong versus the Run. They didn't seem to find anyone who could block him---and they missed blocking asssignments on an amazing number of plays!...how the heck do you let that guy run free?????
He looked a little stiff and lost in space...what little you got to see of him sitting in Linebacker Space.
The physical nature of many of the Edge and Linebacker guys is a big change for the Giants---Lots of 6'3-6'5 Edge/Backer Flyers...I like it!