who do you guys like better? I personally have loved the film I've seen of Lauletta. I thought he looked a lot like DeShaun Watson, maybe with less mobility. Webb, I've heard comparisons to a mobile Kerry Collins. It's extremely hard to project from college film. But do folks feel like they are Brown/Kanell/Graham type QBs, or could fit into recent successful mid round QBs like Prescott, Andy Dalton, etc.
Webb taking the reigns after 3 years backing up Eli and 2 years of Shurmur with Lauletta backing up Im willing to take a shot with.
And this is fine. Eli's "Shurmur Chapter" will be better than his "Coughlin Chapter". The question I am wrestling with is, which will be better - Eli 2018 or Eli 2011?
I too believe this. I hope Webb emerges as the starter and Lauletta is his back up for years.
Well, of course.......DG drafted Lauletta, so he has a good shot at being a find, but Reese drafted Webb, so he obviously must suck
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and inexplicably, has more faith in 4th rounder Lauletta.
Well, of course.......DG drafted Lauletta, so he has a good shot at being a find, but Reese drafted Webb, so he obviously must suck
Sooo....Im just not going to list all the players that Reese drafted that have NOT sucked.
This regime has proven zilch.
1) While Webb tested better in the athletic drills, it wasn't glaring. Lauletta actually did quite well in the athletic drills as well and is known to be athletic on the field (former high level lacrosse player)
2) Webb has the bigger arm, but according to scouting reports Lauletta is very accurate and goes through his progressions well. The number one attribute of a QB is decision making and that seems to be where Lauletta excels.
3) Both were senior bowl MVP's but Lualetta actually dominated in the entire week of practice and was the most impressive in the 1 on 1 drills (QB throwing to a covered receiver in different routes).
4) I feel like Lauletta was passed over for lack of elite arm strength and because he played at Richmond. The arm stregth is an issue we have seen overcome before as well as the small school. Webb played at Cal in the Pac12. More interestingly, he played the year after Goff had just gone number 1. So it isn't like there was a bad stigma about Cal even though they played in the spread. So, Webb has an elite arm, well above average athleticism and size, and puts up big numbers on the same team and in the same offense as the number 1 pick the prior year. Yet he slipped to the late 3rd round. (Our own SY56 has listed his reasons in his draft profile). My guess is their is something severely lacking in his decision making that an untrained eye like my own cannot see, but the scouts see.
5) Lauletta played for 3 different OC's and did well with all of them. He is used to picking up a new playbook and doesn't need a specific system.
Webb has a way stronger arm than Montana and Unitas is a statue compared to Lauretta. I know some people will disagree but I don’t think either Montana or Unitas makes this team unless they can really contribute on specials
My god, give it a rest. We get it, you think Eli’s career is over. Let’s see how this year plays out.
best case is either this year or next he wins his 3rd title and retires on a high this would also make his HoF place unquestionable,i think he is already but a 3rd title will kill the doubt as he surpasses peyton who is a definate HoF QB
worst case eli doesnt improve and they switch to one of the young guys,there wouldnt be such an outcry if they handle it right (which the previous staff botched), if they had started webb many of us thought that was sensible given it was a lost season and they werent sure what they had in webb yet it was the fact he started geno that caused the backlash more than the fact they benched eli
i expect bettcher with the roster he has now and the scheme he will bring in will make the giants a much meaner defence im looking for top 10 he had arizona at 8 and the giants roster is stronger than what he had there the corners are better and they will make better rotational use of the DL instead of spags flogging jpp and vernon to death with 90%+ of the snaps while the offence spluttered and wore them down
spags scheme relied too heavily on the 2 DE's getting home
likewise shurmur will turn the offence into a top 10 unit,there isnt many defences that can cope with barkley,OBJ,shepard and engram on the field at once and with the OL fixed i expect them to pound the ball behind hernandez alot too, gallman and perkins will see an improvement thanx to the OL upgrade as he did with the 2nd and 3rd RB's with the vikings last year and ellison and adams will be a key chain movers and blockers in that scheme as well the TE were badly under used last year even after the WR corp was decimated early on
with mac gone teams wont know whats coming anymore they were far too predictable and easy to stop,flood the secondry with deep safeties to choke the deep pass. if they try that now they will run the ball down their throats and when they bring a safety up to stop that OBJ or engram gets single coverage and burns them
barkley makes the transition to one of those 2 easier,i think lauletta has a good chance because shurmur picked him,he also said he values accuracy over arm strength and webb was reese's pick not the current staffs but webb has already taken in the new playbook, he works hard and has had longer to learn from eli. so as it stands its webbs job to lose at the moment or lauletta outplays him in which case webb continues as backup which is still healthier than carrying another teams cast off you pray wont need to take the field
shurmur will find that in the meadowlands you need more arm strength,those swirling winds require a bit more zip, and being an outdoor team (over the dome)that late in the year arm strength is a bigger need than he realises at present
the bigger arm also make the deep pass to OBJ and engram more dangerous too they have the best QB group they have had since eli was drafted right now this is why they didnt need that QB at 2,they needed the running game and dual threat that every other team in the division had last year at RB to be competitive the nfc is much harder to win than the afc especially the east which is on the rise again
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My god, give it a rest. We get it, you think Eli’s career is over. Let’s see how this year plays out.
Summer preseason...another paranoid poster
A team going no where with no offensive production sits a quarterback who hadn t been effective in two seasons.
They replaced him with a younger more mobile quarterback with good arm talent.
the mistake was not sticking to the plan to see the two younger quarterbacks.
Phil Simms did as much for this franchise as Eli during a time when it has floundered for years. Where was the outcry when he was benched and later released.
I love Eli as a Giant, but the blind eye some have for him is a turn off.
If Webb or Lauletta does become a franchise QB, it will be an anomaly, and will set the Giants up for the next 10 years.
1) While Webb tested better in the athletic drills, it wasn't glaring. Lauletta actually did quite well in the athletic drills as well and is known to be athletic on the field (former high level lacrosse player)
2) Webb has the bigger arm, but according to scouting reports Lauletta is very accurate and goes through his progressions well. The number one attribute of a QB is decision making and that seems to be where Lauletta excels.
3) Both were senior bowl MVP's but Lualetta actually dominated in the entire week of practice and was the most impressive in the 1 on 1 drills (QB throwing to a covered receiver in different routes).
4) I feel like Lauletta was passed over for lack of elite arm strength and because he played at Richmond. The arm stregth is an issue we have seen overcome before as well as the small school. Webb played at Cal in the Pac12. More interestingly, he played the year after Goff had just gone number 1. So it isn't like there was a bad stigma about Cal even though they played in the spread. So, Webb has an elite arm, well above average athleticism and size, and puts up big numbers on the same team and in the same offense as the number 1 pick the prior year. Yet he slipped to the late 3rd round. (Our own SY56 has listed his reasons in his draft profile). My guess is their is something severely lacking in his decision making that an untrained eye like my own cannot see, but the scouts see.
5) Lauletta played for 3 different OC's and did well with all of them. He is used to picking up a new playbook and doesn't need a specific system.
Lauletta in no way did "quite well" athletically
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kyle-lauletta
His mockdraftable chart vs all qb prospects in the data base he had. Great 20 yard shuttle everything else is average to below average.
Webb did fo quite well his hand size is small but everything else is in the 70 and 80 percentile.
Given a choice between a big arm guy and a guy that's pinpoint accurate in the mid and short passes, I'm taking accuracy over arm 10/10 times. Plus Lauletta is said to be better or at least faster at making reads and making decisions.
...to see who pulls the team through.
I'm a big fan of Davis Webb but hell if I know what he'll actually do in NFL game day situations.
I think his ceiling, however, is higher than Lauletta's.
If one of them turned out to be Andy Dalton that would be a pretty good value from that draft position.
First round WR anyone? Discipline now pays off next year.
No one felt the brunt more for this org’s recent incompetence than Eli. Tasked with running McAdoo’s horrible offense, with Ereck Flowers at LT and nothing at RB. And he had to completely relearn his footwork transitioning from TC to McAdoo.
Fast forward to now. Everyones thrown dirt on the guy & chuckled when DG & Co. have said he has years left. Anger at not drafting a QB.
Quietly, Eli FINALLY is in a good offensive scheme with a good coach, a good LT and a full understanding of WCO footwork. And- oh yeah- perhaps the best RB prospect ever.
I quit on him myself, but Ive got a funny feeling he has what he needs for the 1st time since 2011 and the OL fell apart.
Both have stuff to work on. Lauletta looks way better in the pocket with footwork and such. Lighter, softer feet or something. Webb seems kinda heavy footed and robotic in the pocket.
Webb throws a nice deep ball, Lauletta does not (at all). I like Webb's arm strength a lot more but Lauletta seems to make really quick and smart decisions - timing on intermediate passes is much better as a result.
Both seem smart and hard working.
Gun to my head - I think Webb has a better chance of making it. I think both have ability and both have issues to work out but Webb's seem more likely (though the feet bug me with him).
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Cause he's just awful.
If one of them turned out to be Andy Dalton that would be a pretty good value from that draft position.
O absolutely- and even that might be far fetched. But if one of them do pan out, my hope is they are better than him as I believe he is a below average starter in this league.
Good enough to win regular season games, not good enough to cash in in the playoffs. Ultimately, good enough to keep you out of the running for an impact player at QB.
If I had to choose, I think strengthening Lauletta's arm a few mph is a lower bar than improving accuracy, which I think is more innate. Certainly, practice helps. But, heck, Eli has been a pro since 2004 and he's never approached Brees in that part of his game. Of course, very few do.
Good enough to win regular season games, not good enough to cash in in the playoffs. Ultimately, good enough to keep you out of the running for an impact player at QB.
I agree, I would actually rather see both of them become a Nassib type than a Dalton type. Sure Dalton could win some games and might even get into the playoffs once or twice but you will never win a championship with him.
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I’m going with the guy this regime drafted.
This regime has proven zilch.
Neither have you, but you keep giving us that pity ****.