I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?
But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.
I agree about Gardy getting at least a month to work this out at the plate. Frankly with Hicks not doing a whole lot either we aren't loaded with options at lead off. I'd rather not throw Gleyber up there just yet.
I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?
But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.
Tresh was before my time, I know Rickey was considered a top defensive outfielder but my enduring memory of him in the field are his silly snatch catches.
Matsui always played solid LF, never gold glove caliber but he was better than average IMO...probably the best defensive LF who manned the spot for an extended stretch I think, before Gardner
Paulie O played some left field when we first traded for him...so did Winfield for that matter...but both moved to right field within a year or so of joining the Yanks IIRC
LF in the late 90s was always manned by role player guys like Chad Curtis, Shane Spencer, Ricky Ledee. They even buried Knoblauch out there once the yips overcame him at 2B.
Gerald Williams was pretty good out there until we traded him mid season in 96
Clint Frazier could be an upgrade at the plate, but he will absolutely be a downgrade in the field.
Yeah, he's a good fielder for sure, but he had a bad play last night in a big spot.
I love the guy, but he's off to a slow start all around this year and that gets you wondering if he's starting to get cooked. I'm hoping for a resurgence of course because the offense is on another level when he's hitting and walking in front of Judge. Gardy butchered this one - ( New Window )
Geez the guy is 34, not 40. He's in great shape. He's always been streaky, just its usually the opposite, he starts out hot the first half then fades. Maybe this year it will be the other way around.
Ok, he nearly gave an inside the parker to Mookie, but he played it perfectly - gold glove play.
I love Gardy, but the defensive stats back up the eyeball test for me. He doesn't look the same in the field or at the plate - at least to me. Maybe he's playing banged up because we don't have Frazier or Ellsbury to take his place right now. Maybe it's a slump. Time will tell.
player. Given how huge LF is at the Stadium you'd think that might have been different for the Yanks, but I don't think so.
Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.
LF at Yankee Stadium is HUGE?? Since when? It hasn't been huge since the 2nd version of the stadium was 430 ft. to left center. Lefty hitters get opposite field HRs now.
We do this at some point every year over the last few Â
wondering if Gardner’s done, or if it’s time to move on My money’s on that he will go on a run at some point, and everyone will say, “Huh, remember when we are all wondering if he was done!?” Happens every year now. Rinse/Repeat.
I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.
Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.
So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?
you're right, Robertson k'd Benintendi and ended the inning so it didn't cost them. A good defensive play there would have held Betts to a double. You win though, because I don't give a shit about this dumb argument. The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.
RE: RE: LF has typically been the place tems put their worst defensive Â
player. Given how huge LF is at the Stadium you'd think that might have been different for the Yanks, but I don't think so.
Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.
LF at Yankee Stadium is HUGE?? Since when? It hasn't been huge since the 2nd version of the stadium was 430 ft. to left center. Lefty hitters get opposite field HRs now.
Yeah it’s not as big as it used to be, but still a lot of ground to cover.
The bigger challenge IMO is the tight left field corner leads to a lot of funky bounces, Gardy’s almost always played them beautifully
I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.
Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.
So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?
you're right, Robertson k'd Benintendi and ended the inning so it didn't cost them. A good defensive play there would have held Betts to a double. You win though, because I don't give a shit about this dumb argument. The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.
What stats say he isn't a plus fielder so far? I'm seeing 0.5 dWWAR on baseball reference
he's a double-digit DWAR guy per BR, 125 career defensive runs saved, he doesn't have a great arm by any means but his range factors are always topnotch. LF has limited positional value, so it's skewed downward relative to his CF performance in the metrics that account for the difference, but he's still an elite defensive LF.
And I say that noting that Gardner is an offensive nonfactor... Â
who should be dropped in the lineup and should sit at least 1-2x more a week than he has so far.
That will be easier if/when Frazier gets back on the club. Right now Stanton seems a defensive liability out there.
I'm not entirely sure Frazier comes back, unless he forces the issue or someone else gets injured. They are comfortable with the quartet they have, in which Gardy is the weak link offensively.
Hicks, of course, has been highly disappointing as well. Â
There has to be a way to pull Frazier into the mix. His Ks have been really worrisome, though. 13 in the last 39 abs.
Despite all of the power, the Yankees run production has fallen considerably. I expect Drury for Andujar pretty soon, too. Andujar needs work on his pitch selection--it's gotten a lot worse recently, so he ks more or hits bad pitches. He just needs more seasoning, I think.
boy from some of these posts you would think Gardner is the only one Â
in a slump. Judges avg has dropped 40 points in the last 2 weeks, Didi 30 points, Sanchez from .212 to .193 since Friday. Andujar also slumping. Stanton has been up and down.
But they are still winning thanks to the pitching.
is he usually hits the skids in the SECOND half. I think the Yankees wanted to preserve him a bit more this year with days off, but Ellsbury and Frazier injuries (not to mention Hicks and McKinney) have spoiled those plans.
I still think we're a long way off from a shakeup - right now much of the lineup is slumping.
could climb the wall like no other. Gardner gets a little intimidated with/by the wall. As for Gardner's faux pas last night it didn't cost the Yanks. Betts got an extra base at third but Sanchez managed to avoid his habitual PB routine so we dodged a bullet.
I am not a Gardner fan. There were two years back in '10 and '11 where he stole 45+ bases. Then he stopped being that type threatening base runner. He is a 265 ish hitter with too many K's for my liking considering he is a singles hitter. Its a position that needs an upgrade.
People waiting for him to awaken are dreaming and devoutly loyal to the player. He is a holdover from the days of mediocre
Gardy of five years ago would have been a great role player on any team. Gardy of two years ago would have been a serviceable role player on any team, especially one that got plenty of offense - specifically pop - from elsewhere. The Gardy of this year, unfortunately, is an offensive non-factor, and while the lineup is good enough to cover that up there are enough people not hitting that it's at least worth considering sacrificing defense to get another bat in the lineup.
3-4 times a week. As others have pointed out, he traditionally falls off as the season progresses. His production is always frontloaded to the 1s half.
Not a big deal at this point. He's gone after this year.
In semi-Yankee related news, the A's called up Dustin Fowler Â
because of his slow start. He's consistently been a 3-4 win player since he became a regular. That is not a 4th OF. He was excellent last season, 4.9 WAR, 21 HR, 778 OPS, GG defense, and an important veteran leader for a young team.
Maybe he's done, but that would surprise me. I wouldn't write him off just yet. Regardless, he's had a very good career here.
Michael King yanked at 100 pitches (70 strikes) with two outs in the 9th, 3 H 0 R 0 ER 0 BB 8 Ks, 14:3 GB:FB and a season 1.53 ERA. Trevor Lane stranded the only baserunner. King with an unfortunate ND after an absolute gem.
I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?
But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.
Tresh was before my time, I know Rickey was considered a top defensive outfielder but my enduring memory of him in the field are his silly snatch catches.
But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.
I agree if this is the situation at the break, some alternatives will need to be considered.
He is still a plus fielder.
He is still a plus fielder.
He took a path to try to catch the ball to preserve the lead, knowing that if he didn't get to it that the ball would likely get all the way the wall.
The way he dove, he knew he wasn't catching it (or cutting it off) and was just trying to knock the ball down and keep it from getting to the wall.
He's a really good fielder, with a not so great arm.
That plus health issues, indicates this is a very good team.
But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.
Tresh was before my time, I know Rickey was considered a top defensive outfielder but my enduring memory of him in the field are his silly snatch catches.
Matsui always played solid LF, never gold glove caliber but he was better than average IMO...probably the best defensive LF who manned the spot for an extended stretch I think, before Gardner
Paulie O played some left field when we first traded for him...so did Winfield for that matter...but both moved to right field within a year or so of joining the Yanks IIRC
LF in the late 90s was always manned by role player guys like Chad Curtis, Shane Spencer, Ricky Ledee. They even buried Knoblauch out there once the yips overcame him at 2B.
Gerald Williams was pretty good out there until we traded him mid season in 96
Yeah, he's a good fielder for sure, but he had a bad play last night in a big spot.
I love the guy, but he's off to a slow start all around this year and that gets you wondering if he's starting to get cooked. I'm hoping for a resurgence of course because the offense is on another level when he's hitting and walking in front of Judge.
Gardy butchered this one - ( New Window )
Unless he could catch the ball, the end result is exactly the same as if he backed up and played it on a bounce.
The tying run was going to score on any hit and Betts was going to get at least a double.
Gardner tried to prevent the run by making a diving catch, realized he wasn't going to make the play and couldn't stop the ball.
If Betts gets an inside the park HR - that's a different outcome.
Otherwise, Gardy's risk resulted in no additional impact.
Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.
I love Gardy, but the defensive stats back up the eyeball test for me. He doesn't look the same in the field or at the plate - at least to me. Maybe he's playing banged up because we don't have Frazier or Ellsbury to take his place right now. Maybe it's a slump. Time will tell.
I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.
Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.
So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?
Can't wait til Bird returns.
Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.
LF at Yankee Stadium is HUGE?? Since when? It hasn't been huge since the 2nd version of the stadium was 430 ft. to left center. Lefty hitters get opposite field HRs now.
I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.
Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.
So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?
you're right, Robertson k'd Benintendi and ended the inning so it didn't cost them. A good defensive play there would have held Betts to a double. You win though, because I don't give a shit about this dumb argument. The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.
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player. Given how huge LF is at the Stadium you'd think that might have been different for the Yanks, but I don't think so.
Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.
LF at Yankee Stadium is HUGE?? Since when? It hasn't been huge since the 2nd version of the stadium was 430 ft. to left center. Lefty hitters get opposite field HRs now.
Yeah it’s not as big as it used to be, but still a lot of ground to cover.
The bigger challenge IMO is the tight left field corner leads to a lot of funky bounces, Gardy’s almost always played them beautifully
#Gardyfanclub
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he played it perfectly.
I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.
Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.
So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?
you're right, Robertson k'd Benintendi and ended the inning so it didn't cost them. A good defensive play there would have held Betts to a double. You win though, because I don't give a shit about this dumb argument. The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.
What stats say he isn't a plus fielder so far? I'm seeing 0.5 dWWAR on baseball reference
Fake News?? How about incomplete news. We are not even 1/5th into the season!
LOL.
Unless he could catch the ball, the end result is exactly the same as if he backed up and played it on a bounce.
The tying run was going to score on any hit and Betts was going to get at least a double.
Gardner tried to prevent the run by making a diving catch, realized he wasn't going to make the play and couldn't stop the ball.
If Betts gets an inside the park HR - that's a different outcome.
Otherwise, Gardy's risk resulted in no additional impact.
This exactly
That will be easier if/when Frazier gets back on the club. Right now Stanton seems a defensive liability out there.
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who should be dropped in the lineup and should sit at least 1-2x more a week than he has so far.
That will be easier if/when Frazier gets back on the club. Right now Stanton seems a defensive liability out there.
I'm not entirely sure Frazier comes back, unless he forces the issue or someone else gets injured. They are comfortable with the quartet they have, in which Gardy is the weak link offensively.
Despite all of the power, the Yankees run production has fallen considerably. I expect Drury for Andujar pretty soon, too. Andujar needs work on his pitch selection--it's gotten a lot worse recently, so he ks more or hits bad pitches. He just needs more seasoning, I think.
But they are still winning thanks to the pitching.
I still think we're a long way off from a shakeup - right now much of the lineup is slumping.
I am not a Gardner fan. There were two years back in '10 and '11 where he stole 45+ bases. Then he stopped being that type threatening base runner. He is a 265 ish hitter with too many K's for my liking considering he is a singles hitter. Its a position that needs an upgrade.
People waiting for him to awaken are dreaming and devoutly loyal to the player. He is a holdover from the days of mediocre
He mentions, himself, that the headaches/vision issues are ongoing, and he doesn't at all seem to be in a rush back to the big leagues. He seems to just want to get his health issues straightened out and go from there - which may be tricky as they certainly appear to be chronic.
From yesterday - Why Yankees' Brandon Drury isn't worried Miguel Andujar is stealing his job - ( New Window )
Not a big deal at this point. He's gone after this year.
Maybe he's done, but that would surprise me. I wouldn't write him off just yet. Regardless, he's had a very good career here.
Perhaps afraid of Yanks?
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I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?
But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.
Tresh was before my time, I know Rickey was considered a top defensive outfielder but my enduring memory of him in the field are his silly snatch catches.
Hector Lopez.
He didn't take his # for 'nuttin!
Alright, I'll get on it.