Outside of Vernon I'm not very confident about our pass rush depth. Lorenzo Carter is exciting but he's one guy. Do we have money to add another guy even an old vet?
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1) there is hope some of the young players step up - Moss, Okwara or Carter etc.
2) the nature of Betchers defense you would hope that the scheme can generate pressure, basically by overloading blitzes.
Related to this i think you will be Collins get 5+ sacks this year as the blitzer up the middle
but
1) there is hope some of the young players step up - Moss, Okwara or Carter etc.
2) the nature of Betchers defense you would hope that the scheme can generate pressure, basically by overloading blitzes.
Related to this i think you will be Collins get 5+ sacks this year as the blitzer up the middle
I guarantee you that if Collins gets sacks this season , they will not come from up the middle .
Vernon needs to really step up his game (I'm tired of hearing about his "pressures." Seal the deal, pally, or move on). Martin needs to show that he can be a pass-rushing force off the edge. I don't expect Carter to make much of an impact early on. Moss may surprise, but he's still an enigma to me.
Bettcher is very creative....will use Collins, any of the LBers....etc....plenty of cat and mouse with blitz packages....so pressures will be coming from different sources....ideal for guys like Carter, Ogletree and OV.....if any of the 300lb DL can add any pressure, it will be gravy
I don't expect much in the way of sacks from Ogletree.
This defense could be an absolute disaster this year. I have no idea what to expect from it as most of the supposedly best pass rush talent was designed for a 4-3.
I'm guessing the free agency signings and the draft indicates the Giants want a stable, consistent defense over a dominant one for now
His best play in the NFL that I'm aware came at 4-3 WILL, and he's paid like an elite one. Not many 3-4 ILBs make an impact rushing the passer, they'll need the DL to keep him clean and let him pursue the ball.
We don't have any top pass rushers, a weak secondary, and a DC that likes to blitz.
In point allowed, that's true. They did regress. However there were a variety of factors that caused the regression, and I don't think you can attribute them all to Bettcher.
We don't have any top pass rushers, a weak secondary, and a DC that likes to blitz.
In point allowed, that's true. They did regress. However there were a variety of factors that caused the regression, and I don't think you can attribute them all to Bettcher.
Of course not. But we also don't see any success that we can attribute to Bettcher either.
RE: RE: RE: The Arizona defense got worse each year with Bettcher as DC
We don't have any top pass rushers, a weak secondary, and a DC that likes to blitz.
In point allowed, that's true. They did regress. However there were a variety of factors that caused the regression, and I don't think you can attribute them all to Bettcher.
Of course not. But we also don't see any success that we can attribute to Bettcher either.
Consistency in his run defenses, and DG put a premium on that.
Really depends on if Carter is ready to make an impact
if he can, than I like this group. OV had his best year in Miami standing up on the edge in a 3-4 OLB type role. Carter has a ton of ability, and i also like Martin. I think he has some upside and could surprise with 6-8 sacks.
Plus, Moss/Okwara as the 4th-5th guys. Obviously not a dominant group, but maybe OV can be a 10-12 sack guy, Carter and Martin each at 6/7, and Moss can get 2 or 3. Plus a few from Ogletree who is an effective blitzer. Also gonna need Collins to get home more like he did 2 years ago- he had 5 sacks in 2016.
I am expecting a good year out of Vernon but the OLB opposite him is the question. Martin is more of the savvy veteran who is good against the run but doesn't offer much of a pass rush. Behind him are Moss, Carter, and Okwara who all have promise but we do not know if any of them will provide a boost to the pass rush this season. This defense needs a big time edge rusher but they could create pressure through Bettcher's creative scheme just as Rex Ryan did early on with the Jets.
But no, we really don't - at least as far as known quantities are concerned. Hopefully some other players will step up.
1) there is hope some of the young players step up - Moss, Okwara or Carter etc.
2) the nature of Betchers defense you would hope that the scheme can generate pressure, basically by overloading blitzes.
Related to this i think you will be Collins get 5+ sacks this year as the blitzer up the middle
1) there is hope some of the young players step up - Moss, Okwara or Carter etc.
2) the nature of Betchers defense you would hope that the scheme can generate pressure, basically by overloading blitzes.
Related to this i think you will be Collins get 5+ sacks this year as the blitzer up the middle
I guarantee you that if Collins gets sacks this season , they will not come from up the middle .
Agreed with Jimmy with the caveat being if some of these rooks surprise starting with the ultra athletic speed/size freak Zo Carter.
I can see Goodson picking up a couple, blitzing, busting through the middle.
I really don't know about our DE/DTs. Have to see how they're used first.
I'm guessing the free agency signings and the draft indicates the Giants want a stable, consistent defense over a dominant one for now
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but at least in a 3-4 design, the DC can be more creative on where pressure comes from...
Agreed with Jimmy with the caveat being if some of these rooks surprise starting with the ultra athletic speed/size freak Zo Carter.
Carter bringing the hammer on some opposing QBs would be a welcome site...
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but at least in a 3-4 design, the DC can be more creative on where pressure comes from...
Agreed with Jimmy with the caveat being if some of these rooks surprise starting with the ultra athletic speed/size freak Zo Carter.
Carter bringing the hammer on some opposing QBs would be a welcome site...
Giants said he had more QB pressures/hits than anyone in the draft including Chubb. Thats a pretty good stat
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but at least in a 3-4 design, the DC can be more creative on where pressure comes from...
Agreed with Jimmy with the caveat being if some of these rooks surprise starting with the ultra athletic speed/size freak Zo Carter.
Carter bringing the hammer on some opposing QBs would be a welcome site...
Giants said he had more QB pressures/hits than anyone in the draft including Chubb. Thats a pretty good stat
Yeah, sounds awesome. He should pair well with Vernon, who is also great at pressuring the QB but for some reason can't get any sacks.
Yeah, sounds awesome. He should pair well with Vernon, who is also great at pressuring the QB but for some reason can't get any sacks.
Except that in the near term, Carter will most likely be playing behind Martin, opposite Avery Moss on the 2nd team.
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Yeah, sounds awesome. He should pair well with Vernon, who is also great at pressuring the QB but for some reason can't get any sacks.
Except that in the near term, Carter will most likely be playing behind Martin, opposite Avery Moss on the 2nd team.
I was just being sarcastic. I'm looking forward to seeing Carter play.
Yeah, sounds awesome. He should pair well with Vernon, who is also great at pressuring the QB but for some reason can't get any sacks.
Except that in the near term, Carter will most likely be playing behind Martin, opposite Avery Moss on the 2nd team.
I was just being sarcastic. I'm looking forward to seeing Carter play.
My bad. Now I see what you were saying. I made a similar point about Vernon earlier in this thread.
Plus there's an almost unlimited, a very wide variety of ways to put a front 5 together with this roster.
So i will go with yes.
In point allowed, that's true. They did regress. However there were a variety of factors that caused the regression, and I don't think you can attribute them all to Bettcher.
But, if you consider your 2 big OLBs as extra rush linemen (in addition to front three who all rush), that still leaves you:
6 potential pass defenders.
Ogletree. Carter, Collins, DT, and two corners.
Or ogletree, Collins, DT, and three corners.
Etc.
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We don't have any top pass rushers, a weak secondary, and a DC that likes to blitz.
In point allowed, that's true. They did regress. However there were a variety of factors that caused the regression, and I don't think you can attribute them all to Bettcher.
Of course not. But we also don't see any success that we can attribute to Bettcher either.
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We don't have any top pass rushers, a weak secondary, and a DC that likes to blitz.
In point allowed, that's true. They did regress. However there were a variety of factors that caused the regression, and I don't think you can attribute them all to Bettcher.
Of course not. But we also don't see any success that we can attribute to Bettcher either.
Consistency in his run defenses, and DG put a premium on that.
Plus, Moss/Okwara as the 4th-5th guys. Obviously not a dominant group, but maybe OV can be a 10-12 sack guy, Carter and Martin each at 6/7, and Moss can get 2 or 3. Plus a few from Ogletree who is an effective blitzer. Also gonna need Collins to get home more like he did 2 years ago- he had 5 sacks in 2016.