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I mean most Pit Bulls are friendly and loving ..

But facts are facts, Pits bite the hell out of people more then all other dogs combined I think the stats say

anecdotal evidence of someones friend who had the sweetest most lovable...

In comment 13958058 DennyInDenville said:

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Etc etc people I mean most Pit Bulls are friendly and loving .. But facts are facts, Pits bite the hell out of people more then all other dogs combined I think the stats say

stats are clear as day on this one.

they just do not die from those attacks

the friendliest pits. Still, if I saw one on the loose, or even one on a leash I'm not familiar with, they scare the shit out of me, as opposed to say, a Golden Retriever.

a 3 and a half month old baby.

I don't know for sure, but I think the people who argue on behalf of pitbulls blame the owners when there is an incident, they say that the breed is not inherently aggressive, but they're trained to be aggressive and then abandoned.

Not positive though, if that's true or if that is in fact the argument supporting the breed.

are often the product of awful owners, but that doesn't really change the outcome for the victims of the maulings.

I think some aggressive breeds are cute AF (i've come across numerous stray pitbulls in BFE who are absolutely loving) but yes many are unpredictable and can cause harm.

Always seems 99.999999999% of the time the dog attacks are done by dogs whose owners encourage aggressive behavior (or are aggressive themselves) or are from an historically aggressive litter (trained for fighting or guarding or just bullying) or were abused/neglected, or just stray and feral after being castoff from above reasons.

Do they all need to go? Heck no. But there really does need to be way more penalties and regulations for who can own these and monitoring their environment before purchase.

I'm friends with a guy who raised a pit-bull from the time it was a puppy, first owner, great to it, socialized it, trained it professionally.He said he was the most gentle and loving dog ever. One night, the dog literally snapped on him, tore flesh from the bone on his arms the only way they got him off was his son had to stab the dog. Nothing would get it to loosen its grip. I'd love for the "it's in the training" group explain that one.

Rottweiler, Lab, and a small mixed breed.

I assume its the Rot that did this

who is a rescue. He’s very sweet, loyal & friendly to everyone he meets. These stories are always concerning & once I have kids I will be extra vigilant. I’ve never seen aggression, in fact he’s a big baby whose afraid of squirrels.

Everyone who says “ban pit bulls”, what does that mean for the millions of shelter dogs who need homes who have some pit in them?

sweetest dog in the world around humans, biggest danger was that she'd inadvertently run into you or step on you. But when she was riled up, she could (and did) put a hurting on other animals. Got her into trouble with civil liability once or twice. Not a chance I'd want to take.

In comment 13958126 BLUATHRT said:

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I'm friends with a guy who raised a pit-bull from the time it was a puppy, first owner, great to it, socialized it, trained it professionally.He said he was the most gentle and loving dog ever. One night, the dog literally snapped on him, tore flesh from the bone on his arms the only way they got him off was his son had to stab the dog. Nothing would get it to loosen its grip. I'd love for the "it's in the training" group explain that one.

there is often more to the "loving" raising. or the "professional" training. Both are subjective to the person who is doing it.

In comment 13958121 giantsFC said:

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I think some aggressive breeds are cute AF (i've come across numerous stray pitbulls in BFE who are absolutely loving) but yes many are unpredictable and can cause harm. Always seems 99.999999999% of the time the dog attacks are done by dogs whose owners encourage aggressive behavior (or are aggressive themselves) or are from an historically aggressive litter (trained for fighting or guarding or just bullying) or were abused/neglected, or just stray and feral after being castoff from above reasons. Do they all need to go? Heck no. But there really does need to be way more penalties and regulations for who can own these and monitoring their environment before purchase.

A very logical, well said post. Excellent.

I know the last thing we need in this country is more regulation but I think people who have aggressive breeds should be made to go to a dog training class. A lot of times with bad owners its ignorance rather than negligence.

He is afraid of broccoli. He's the sweetest most gentle dog. Everyone loves him he's like a local celebrity. Key is raising them right from the start. I was bit by a Jack Russel growing up. You can be bit by any dog.

Small dog+bite=small problem. Big dog+bite=big problem. Especially with a breed with strong bites like the bully breeds.

Unfortunately, these pits in the news were probably raised wrong then rescued and reverted back to negative behavior.

We always look at the wrong end of the leash in these situations.

None of the three dogs in the house was a pit bull.

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The dogs at the home included a 98-pound Rottweiler, 89-pound Labrador and 10-pound terrier, Carranza said.

And while you might assume it was the Rottie, Labradors can be quite bitey and small terriers can be very nasty. A ten pound dog is easily capable of mauling a three month old child.

The fact is, breed-based, dog bite statistics are mostly shit because the underlying data is poor. Most people are not dog breed experts and will often identify any scary dog as a Pit Bull. LEOs have said they they just put down Pit Bull on their reports if the breed of the unknown or indeterminate.

through a screened window of a house, ran across the street, and charged us. Luckily by time it got to us he decided he was more scared than bitey. I look over at the house and a 6 year old (or about that age) was looking out of the window. He was watching his little brother and wasn't allowed to leave the house. Eventually he got the dog, but it was pretty frustrating.

A pitbull just mauled a little dog the other day. It belong to a homeless man, (which they don't watch their dogs). A couple was walking their dog on a leash when it was attacked. We've had several pitbull attacks near the park.

I ever ran into were a chiuahua and a Scottie.

Now granted, you aren't going to do from getting mauled, but you still got bit.

Instead of blaming dogs, blame the situations people put their toddlers in.

I never understand why there are so many pit bull apologists (many of my friends are). There is ample evidence that the vast majority of serious or fatal dog attacks are from pit breeds. It's not even close.

Pit lovers love to point out how Chihuahuas and other breeds bite too, and they do, but they don't pose a serious threat. When a pit bulls snaps, watch out. If I had kids, I would not let them anywhere near pits.

I also think they're ugly as sin, look like hell hounds. I just don't understand the appeal.

She said the problem with pit bulls is that if they get into a fight it's their nature to "finish it".

In comment 13958200 Gary from The East End said:

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None of the three dogs in the house was a pit bull. Quote: The dogs at the home included a 98-pound Rottweiler, 89-pound Labrador and 10-pound terrier, Carranza said. And while you might assume it was the Rottie, Labradors can be quite bitey and small terriers can be very nasty. A ten pound dog is easily capable of mauling a three month old child. The fact is, breed-based, dog bite statistics are mostly shit because the underlying data is poor. Most people are not dog breed experts and will often identify any scary dog as a Pit Bull. LEOs have said they they just put down Pit Bull on their reports if the breed of the unknown or indeterminate.

my comment was to the people suggesting it was a pit bull. I read the article linked (the first one) and it didn't mention the breeds at all.

I did not watch the video.

Where do you see the breeds listed?

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SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. -- An infant girl died Saturday after she was mauled by a dog in a Sherman Oaks home, police said. CBS Los Angeles reports that the attack happened at 3:25 p.m. local time. The 3-month-old was taken to a hospital in critical condition. Authorities later announced that the baby died at the hospital from her injuries. According to LAPD Police Services Officer Stacy Ball, there were three dogs in the home and police did not know which one mauled the infant. Subsequently, all three dogs were taken into custody by animal control officers. The attack happened when the baby's grandmother, who was babysitting at the time, stepped away to get a bottle, The Associated Press reported Sunday. The AP also writes that the family is extremely distraught and that next Sunday would have been the first Mother's Day for the infant's mom.

I Googled around for more info.

Still, it's pretty typical. There's no breed info in the OP article, so it obviously must be a Pit Bull.
Dog attack that killed baby girl in Sherman Oaks a 'true tragedy,' police say - ( New Window )

In comment 13958121 giantsFC said:

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I think some aggressive breeds are cute AF (i've come across numerous stray pitbulls in BFE who are absolutely loving) but yes many are unpredictable and can cause harm. Always seems 99.999999999% of the time the dog attacks are done by dogs whose owners encourage aggressive behavior (or are aggressive themselves) or are from an historically aggressive litter (trained for fighting or guarding or just bullying) or were abused/neglected, or just stray and feral after being castoff from above reasons. Do they all need to go? Heck no. But there really does need to be way more penalties and regulations for who can own these and monitoring their environment before purchase.

So we need to turn into Russia because tragedies happen? Interesting observations. Ill just keep carrying my 9mm instead thanks

In comment 13958268 Gary from The East End said:

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I Googled around for more info. Still, it's pretty typical. There's no breed info in the OP article, so it obviously must be a Pit Bull. Dog attack that killed baby girl in Sherman Oaks a 'true tragedy,' police say - ( New Window )

I guess you're right, this kind of proves it. I just assumed it to, but at least in my case it was based on people's comments, but I didn't bother to check.

the fact that this incident wasn't a pit bull doesn't change the statistics.

In comment 13958268 Gary from The East End said:

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I Googled around for more info. Still, it's pretty typical. There's no breed info in the OP article, so it obviously must be a Pit Bull. Dog attack that killed baby girl in Sherman Oaks a 'true tragedy,' police say - ( New Window )

It's in the first video link in the OP of what kind of breeds they were

I would personally never have a high risk breed near a child.

What's the upside? You're banking on *you* raising the risk out of an animal.

The combination of size, propensity, and data just seems too much. It's not the dog's fault, it's just an increased risk.

As many other have noted, there are small dogs with bad attitudes. These dogs just don't have jaws that can kill.

New neighbors seem very nice but the woman walks or rides her bike with her two dogs, one of which is a huge pit bull, unleased. I'm a dog lover, but I don't want to get near a dog that can do some serious damage. If you have an bread bred for aggression and that can do some damage, I think you have a huge responsibility to make sure it doesn't harm anyone (at least no one on your property). We have another neighbor who walks a chiwawa and a pit bull mix -- both are leased and the pit bull is muzzled, as it should be.

Besides having a loaded firearm, what would you carry for protection. Pepper spray? Bear spray? Like I said, I love dogs, but if that pit bull comes at me, my family, or my dog, its going to get stopped.

In comment 13958187 BigBlue2112 said:

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He is afraid of broccoli. He's the sweetest most gentle dog. Everyone loves him he's like a local celebrity. Key is raising them right from the start. I was bit by a Jack Russel growing up. You can be bit by any dog. Small dog+bite=small problem. Big dog+bite=big problem. Especially with a breed with strong bites like the bully breeds. Unfortunately, these pits in the news were probably raised wrong then rescued and reverted back to negative behavior. We always look at the wrong end of the leash in these situations.

Exactly, BUT I will also agree that some breeds are more aggressive and likely to attack than others when all things are equal. Just a shame they aren’t ALL raised properly and put in the right situations.

In comment 13958414 BigBlue4You09 said:

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In comment 13958187 BigBlue2112 said: Quote: He is afraid of broccoli. He's the sweetest most gentle dog. Everyone loves him he's like a local celebrity. Key is raising them right from the start. I was bit by a Jack Russel growing up. You can be bit by any dog. Small dog+bite=small problem. Big dog+bite=big problem. Especially with a breed with strong bites like the bully breeds. Unfortunately, these pits in the news were probably raised wrong then rescued and reverted back to negative behavior. We always look at the wrong end of the leash in these situations. Exactly, BUT I will also agree that some breeds are more aggressive and likely to attack than others when all things are equal. Just a shame they aren’t ALL raised properly and put in the right situations.

Owning a bigger, stronger dog on its own is a liability. Raising a dog is just one factor. I have an extraordinarily well behaved, well trained Beagle/Shep mix. She's an absolute sweetheart.

She's also bigger than a lot of dogs and certainly children. She's still part German Shep and despite all of her training, obedience and my trust, no way am I letting her off-leash or around a toddler unsupervised for a nano-second.

Why would I ever risk putting a child or my dog in that scenario.

all the way. They will F up your electronics if you give them a chance however.

In comment 13958406 jcp56 said:

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New neighbors seem very nice but the woman walks or rides her bike with her two dogs, one of which is a huge pit bull, unleased. I'm a dog lover, but I don't want to get near a dog that can do some serious damage. If you have an bread bred for aggression and that can do some damage, I think you have a huge responsibility to make sure it doesn't harm anyone (at least no one on your property). We have another neighbor who walks a chiwawa and a pit bull mix -- both are leased and the pit bull is muzzled, as it should be. Besides having a loaded firearm, what would you carry for protection. Pepper spray? Bear spray? Like I said, I love dogs, but if that pit bull comes at me, my family, or my dog, its going to get stopped.

Anyone that walks ANY dog without a leash in a public place is an absolute fool, let alone a frickin big dog or pit! I would definitely be talking shit to her. That’s unacceptable.

Of seeing an Akita and a Rottweiler fight...

It was shocking...the Rottweiler didn’t stand a chance. There was nothing the two owners could do about it.

The Rottweiler was bad ass...but the Akita was just better.

The Akita ripped that Rott to pieces

My brother has always had Rottweilers...never had an issue with any of them. The dogs were always big marshmallows around kids.

Tragic story

One thing I've noticed, at least here in Los Angeles, is that when you look at pictures of shelter dogs up for adoption, 90% of the dogs listed as "Labrador" look like pit hybrids, and not like labs. I don't doubt that they are part lab, but...

That said, I have no idea about the dogs in this tragedy.

Measured, Rots, German Sheps and Pits at the top of the list. With small children, these are all high risk dogs. The AKC (American Kennel Club )does not recognize Pits as a "domesticated breed". There's a reason for it.

In comment 13958517 Dave on the UWS said:

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Measured, Rots, German Sheps and Pits at the top of the list. With small children, these are all high risk dogs. The AKC (American Kennel Club )does not recognize Pits as a "domesticated breed". There's a reason for it.

What is considered a pit? There are a ton of shelter dogs that have some pit in them, but not purebred pit.

Pit bulls and other aggressive dogs are a good reason to carry a handgun.

In comment 13958486 lono801 said:

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Of seeing an Akita and a Rottweiler fight... It was shocking...the Rottweiler didn�t stand a chance. There was nothing the two owners could do about it. The Rottweiler was bad ass...but the Akita was just better. The Akita ripped that Rott to pieces My brother has always had Rottweilers...never had an issue with any of them. The dogs were always big marshmallows around kids. Tragic story

that's why I always have a flashlight and knife on me when I walk the dog. I can get away if attacked, but the dog or a loved one is a different story.

the flashlight is for sticking out for something to bite or as a weapon if bit. The times a dog tried to get my dog it wasn't serious threats and we just pulled the dog off (mine doesn't seem to realize it is in danger and doesn't fight back).

Dog owners out west seem less responsible and most dogs are pitbill mixes or Chihuahuas mixes if little dogs. I never had a dog come at me back east, 4 times already in the past two years. I am a little worried for the ladies pushing their babies around here without something to deter a dog.

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The AP also writes that the family is extremely distraught and that next Sunday would have been the first Mother's Day for the infant's mom.

That's a crude statement.
I could care less about how the mother's emotions. A newborn is dead because of her incompetence.

In comment 13958434 RasputinPrime said:

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all the way. They will F up your electronics if you give them a chance however.

Yes! I want to go full badass and get one of these. Too funny

In comment 13958738 Knineteen said:

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Quote: The AP also writes that the family is extremely distraught and that next Sunday would have been the first Mother's Day for the infant's mom. That's a crude statement. I could care less about how the mother's emotions. A newborn is dead because of her incompetence.

This is what sucks about the internet... people with a sliver of facts making wholesale indictments and judgments of other people. First of all, the story implies the mother wasn't even there. Second of all, you're fucking soulless if you'd just dismiss the distraught mother's feelings with a shrug and a, "It's YOUR fault bitch!"

aggressive. I have found that training a dog with a predisposition of aggression are much harder to train than others. Which means if you are going to take the responsibility of owning an aggressive dog you must know what you are doing and train specifically to control this side of the dog. I have also found that the vast majority of dog owners are not particularly good at training their dogs regardless of the breed or disposition. Pit bulls tend towards aggression and are often owned by people without the capability to train them properly. Add in the people who train them to make them more aggressive and you have a dangerous dog breed.

So is it the dogs fault? IDK, not really, but it doesn't change the reality that these dogs are more dangerous than others. Does it really matter who is at fault for the situation. I personally would not have an issue owning a Pit Bull because I am well accustomed to dealing with aggressive dogs, but I am very wary of other's pit bulls because I am unaware of their ability to handle them. People say you can't outlaw these dogs, but were aren't talking about some protected species. All dog breeds are manufacture by people.

If a manufacturer of Ford gas tanks was producing tanks that tended to explode, even in a small percentage, don't you think they would be prevented form continued manufacture? There is no logical reason to "protect the breed" since breeding in general is unhealthy for the dog. There is no logical reason to continue manufacture of this dangerous product no matter who is at "fault" for the issue.

In comment 13958822 santacruzom said:

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This is what sucks about the internet... people with a sliver of facts making wholesale indictments and judgments of other people. First of all, the story implies the mother wasn't even there. Second of all, you're fucking soulless if you'd just dismiss the distraught mother's feelings with a shrug and a, "It's YOUR fault bitch!"

So, you're insinuating the newborn had a choice here? The 3 month old willingly chose to hang around potentially vicious animals?
That's......that's what you're going with?

suck, the hard truth is yes - the mother is responsible.

Leave your toddler in the room with a loaded gun, do you blame the toddler or the gun? Neither, you blame the idiot who left a loaded gun.

In comment 13959157 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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suck, the hard truth is yes - the mother is responsible. Leave your toddler in the room with a loaded gun, do you blame the toddler or the gun? Neither, you blame the idiot who left a loaded gun.

IDK the details of the story, so I am not inclined to assign blame, but what you describe is accurate in my opinion.

Not really sure the breed of the dog matters (not implying you were) as I had a neighbor who left the room and her cocker spaniel mauled her 2 year old's face. The kid survived, but lost an eye, nose, ear, cheek and nearly died because the dog got the kid's throat open. That dog had been nothing but friendly to everybody it ever met up to that point. Never leave your dog alone in a room with a child that is unable to handle and command the dog himself. I don't care what breed the dog is or how friendly and sweet he is. Not all dogs appreciate the new pup joining his pack and attempting to usurp its rank in pack hierarchy. So unless you can actually read an animal's mind, keep the kid or the dog with you.

In comment 13959153 Knineteen said:

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In comment 13958822 santacruzom said: Quote: This is what sucks about the internet... people with a sliver of facts making wholesale indictments and judgments of other people. First of all, the story implies the mother wasn't even there. Second of all, you're fucking soulless if you'd just dismiss the distraught mother's feelings with a shrug and a, "It's YOUR fault bitch!" So, you're insinuating the newborn had a choice here? The 3 month old willingly chose to hang around potentially vicious animals? That's......that's what you're going with?

Dipshit, no. I'm attacking your decision not to sympathize with someone who just lost a 3 month baby so that you can judge her instead.

In comment 13959157 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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suck, the hard truth is yes - the mother is responsible. Leave your toddler in the room with a loaded gun, do you blame the toddler or the gun? Neither, you blame the idiot who left a loaded gun.

So in this analogy, the loaded gun is the baby's grandmother?

the gun for any negligent adult.

Does it really fucking matter?