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Manny in CA : 5/8/2018 1:17 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/infant-dead-dog-mauling-sherman-oaks-los-angeles-california-today-2018-05-06/

I like dogs (we've had several very good ones and one dangerous "schitzo", a Chinese Shar-Pei).

There are just some breeds that tend to be unpredictable. I would NEVER again, own any of them -like Pit Bulls, Presa Canario etc. (especially with young children around)

49 deaths in 2017, in the US.

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2017.php
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RE: RE: While it may..  
christian : 5/9/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13959187 Hades07 said:
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In comment 13959157 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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suck, the hard truth is yes - the mother is responsible.

Leave your toddler in the room with a loaded gun, do you blame the toddler or the gun? Neither, you blame the idiot who left a loaded gun.



IDK the details of the story, so I am not inclined to assign blame, but what you describe is accurate in my opinion.

Not really sure the breed of the dog matters (not implying you were) as I had a neighbor who left the room and her cocker spaniel mauled her 2 year old's face. The kid survived, but lost an eye, nose, ear, cheek and nearly died because the dog got the kid's throat open. That dog had been nothing but friendly to everybody it ever met up to that point. Never leave your dog alone in a room with a child that is unable to handle and command the dog himself. I don't care what breed the dog is or how friendly and sweet he is. Not all dogs appreciate the new pup joining his pack and attempting to usurp its rank in pack hierarchy. So unless you can actually read an animal's mind, keep the kid or the dog with you.


This x100.

There is no animal you can trust completely in the presence of an upsupervised small child.

As a child grows older, stronger, smarter then the calculus changes.

In my view there is never a point when any child can safely be alone with a dog that is larger or stronger than the child.
I thought that was just common sense, though  
jcn56 : 5/9/2018 3:25 pm : link
I have a 10 lb terrier that's closer to stuffed animal than wild animal, but when my sister in law visited with her 2 year old I wouldn't leave him alone with the baby.

For starters, her son was after the dog the entire time. My dog is the most docile, sweet dog there ever was. The entire time, he had his tail and ears pulled, he was slapped (not intentionally, but 2 year old motor skills being what they are). He barked a couple of times, but he never snapped. I give him credit for that though. I could see how an animal, who doesn't know any better, no matter how gentle, could lose control in a bad way under those circumstances.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Really?!  
Knineteen : 5/9/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13959417 santacruzom said:
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Dipshit, no. I'm attacking your decision not to sympathize with someone who just lost a 3 month baby so that you can judge her instead.

First off, I was attacking the article more than anything else, terminating with the suggestion that the mother is the victim.
Secondly, assuming the mother IS involved in the child's life (which I can only surmise from the facts stated in the article), I don't see how this is the fault of anyone but the mother/ father. Why would anyone sympathize with a parent who could have easily prevented such a tragedy?!
jcn  
Hades07 : 5/9/2018 3:59 pm : link
it has been my experience in life that "common sense" doesn't exist. While to you or me, it seems obvious that any dog could be a risk, this is because we have experience with dogs. A lot of people have their first dog, or if they had a dog as a child they had no responsibility over it. So they have no practical basis to draw that common sense from. Add in first time parent and we are all morons with our first kid and you have a situation that can be dangerous. Do you think kids today will grow up knowing the same "common sense" items we did? How about their grand parents, or great grand parents.

"Common sense" is derived from our own experiences and is unique to each individual. There are many experiences that many of us share and gives rise to the notion that of course everyone knows that, it's common sense. Never trust in that, the only common sense humans share is the ability to grasp and suck, everything else we learn.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Really?!  
Hades07 : 5/9/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13959511 Knineteen said:
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In comment 13959417 santacruzom said:


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Dipshit, no. I'm attacking your decision not to sympathize with someone who just lost a 3 month baby so that you can judge her instead.


First off, I was attacking the article more than anything else, terminating with the suggestion that the mother is the victim.
Secondly, assuming the mother IS involved in the child's life (which I can only surmise from the facts stated in the article), I don't see how this is the fault of anyone but the mother/ father. Why would anyone sympathize with a parent who could have easily prevented such a tragedy?!


I wasn't there so I can't judge her level of responsibility. Regardless of fault, which matters little at this point, she lost her child and I think anyone with a child can sympathize with her for her loss without absolving her of the responsibility in the death. I am quite certain that she is beating herself up more than anyone here can about it. I have known more than one parent who took their own lives after the loss of a child that was in no way their responsibility, yet blamed themselves regardless and couldn't live with it.
I had Three Dogs chase me one  
BCD : 5/9/2018 7:20 pm : link
Night.
Did  
fkap : 5/9/2018 7:30 pm : link
they tell you about Jeremiah?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Really?!  
santacruzom : 5/9/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13959511 Knineteen said:
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Why would anyone sympathize with a parent who could have easily prevented such a tragedy?!


I think because of the whole, "The person is a mother who lost a 3 month old baby and has to live with that for the rest of her life" thing.
also  
santacruzom : 5/9/2018 9:36 pm : link
I can't be the only person who noticed that the mother wasn't even home and the kid's grandmother was babysitting, am I?
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Knineteen : 5/10/2018 12:12 am : link
In comment 13959765 santacruzom said:
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I can't be the only person who noticed that the mother wasn't even home and the kid's grandmother was babysitting, am I?

How did 3 large dogs get into the house?
Because if the grandmother brought them with her, then you have a point.
Otherwise, one can only assume the parents were complicit in having their newborn around 3 large dogs.
There is no common wisdom  
santacruzom : 5/10/2018 12:35 am : link
That states owning three dogs is putting your newborn's life in jeopardy. You don't think dog owners commonly have babies without incident? What planet do you live on?
And you can't guarantee the safety of a newborn around  
Knineteen : 5/10/2018 12:20 pm : link
3 large dogs either.

I bet you believe smoking is a good thing too because hey, not everyone gets lung cancer!
RE: And you can't guarantee the safety of a newborn around  
santacruzom : 5/10/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13960280 Knineteen said:
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3 large dogs either.

I bet you believe smoking is a good thing too because hey, not everyone gets lung cancer!


Dipshit, no. Specious analogies won't detract from how hideous the sentiment of "Well she had three dogs, and therefore she was an unfit parent and not worthy of any sympathy after losing a three month old baby" truly is.
RE: Yorkies  
Beezer : 5/10/2018 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13958434 RasputinPrime said:
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all the way. They will F up your electronics if you give them a chance however.


Much-needed chuckle in an otherwise serious thread.
RE: RE: And you can't guarantee the safety of a newborn around  
Knineteen : 5/10/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13960331 santacruzom said:
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Dipshit, no. Specious analogies won't detract from how hideous the sentiment of "Well she had three dogs, and therefore she was an unfit parent and not worthy of any sympathy after losing a three month old baby" truly is.

You can't keep a straight argument. The name-calling also doesn't bode well for your scattered argument.
RE: Yorkies  
Percy : 5/12/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 13958434 RasputinPrime said:
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all the way. They will F up your electronics if you give them a chance however.

Love 'em. But Pit Bulls refer to them as saltines.
They are freaking animals  
AnnapolisMike : 5/12/2018 10:32 am : link
Proper training is only going to help so much when an animals instincts override the training and love that the animal has received. The stronger the dog...the more likely they are to inflict serious harm. Your probably more likely to get bit by a small dog than a large one....but you are more likely to remember the bite from the large dog for obvious reasons.

If you leave a child around a dog or cat...there is a remote chance of something happening.
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